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landslides. more on a potentially historic storm impacting millions this morning. plus, breaking news out of the middle east. the u.s. military revealing new details about the scope of damage from those retaliatory strikes in iraq and syria, and not ruling out more strikes including potentially inside iran. also ahead, lawmakers finally unveiling that long-awaited bipartisan border bill, but it's already facing a partisan wall with the house speaker calling it dead on arrival. this as house republicans push forward today with their effort to impeach the secretary of homeland security. we'll have the latest from capitol hill. hello. it's 10:00 eastern. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. a potentially historic storm impacting millions this morning. 38 million under flood alerts
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across california, warned of life-threatening conditions with evacuations under way. we're seeing torrential rain, high-speed wins leading to dangerous spinouts and landslides. it is still coming down. this flood threat could last for days. nbc's dana griffin is in hard-hit santa barbara county in california. meteorologist michelle gross man is standing by with the forecast. dana, let me start with you. what's happening there right now? what's the biggest risk facing those residents? >> reporter: ana, the biggest risk is still flash flooding, downed trees, power lines, and also the potential for landslides. santa barbara is just near the burn scar zone for the 2017 thomas fire where you've got these grounds that cannot soak up extra moisture. even though right now it's not raining, we're expecting to get a little bit more this afternoon. there's still a concern for impacts here. we're here in downtown santa barbara. you can see some of the debris that was left along the road
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slide. it doesn't look like much right now. we've seen palm tree fronts in the street. we've been seeing some of the stores. yesterday a lot of the stores shut down as early as noon yesterday. some of the restaurants were all closed last night. signs like this you can see popping up across several businesses, closing over the weekend into today and possibly through tomorrow because of this incoming storm. a lot of people taking the storm very seriously. officials warning people to evacuate. some 500 people were told to evacuate in this area, los angeles and ventura counties. the storm has since moved south. but the impacted from the storm could last for several days. ana? >> dana griffin, thank you so much. michelle, where is this storm headed now? >> hi, ana. we were hoping it was moving out faster. we'll see heavy continuous rain over the next 24 hours, eventually moving into portions
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of the southwest, but still really wet through most of the week. this is what we're dealing with right now. millions under alert. power outages, we have at least 600,000 already. we will add to those totals. 38 million under flood alerts. we will be measuring feet of snow, up to 4 feet in some spots, even a foot of rain in the foothills and higher mountains. this is what it looks like on radar. i've been watching this since 1:30 this morning. it's moving over the same area in downtown los angeles. yesterday they broke a daily record for rainfall dating back to 1927. we're getting a ton of rain. the brighter colors is where we'll see the heaviest rain. flood warnings are in effect until 9:00 a.m. pacific time, so the next couple hours. that means flooding is happening now or it's imminent. catastrophic flooding as we go throughout the day. reports of mudslides, debris
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flows over those burned areas. another atmospheric river, remember we had one last week, soaked grounds, burned areas. we're watching that and debris flows as well. as we go throughout tomorrow, looking at the heaviest rain from southern california into arizona. mountain snow continues. we could see up to 4 feet of snow in some spots. this rain sticks around all week long. >> 4 inches in downtown l.a. and 10 inches near ucla. that's a lot of precipitation. now to the breaking news in the middle east where the u.s. is promising more retaliatory action on the way and not ruling out strikes inside iran. this as we get new information about those initial retaliatory strikes against iranian-backed targets in iraq and syria. u.s. officials saying early assessments shows 84 of the 85 targets were destroyed or damaged. here is national security
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adviser jake sullivan on the possibility of more to come. >> it began with the strikes on friday night, but that is not the end of it. we intend to take additional strikes and additional action to continue to send a clear message that the united states will respond when our forces are attacked or our people are killed. >> now, the u.s. is also still dealing with the houthis, another iran-backed group. the houthis are vowing to retaliate against separate strikes inside yemen conducted jointly by the u.s. and u.k. on saturday. joining us is keir simmons from irbil, iraq, and monica alba from washington. keir, what more did we learn this morning about the scale of the damage from these u.s. strikes? >> reporter: well, it is, i think -- first of all, it is a sign of just how incredibly difficult this is, that there are many angry responses to the strikes over the weekend.
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yet at the same time, they were truly limited. no high-valued iranian operatives were killed or hurt according to the assessments we know about. now, what we're told by the pentagon is out of 85 targets struck, this is the current assessment, 84 were destroyed or functionally damaged. that doesn't tell us too much about exactly how much those iranian-backed militia have been put out of action, if you like. today, this morning, we're just hearing, ana, about an attack on a base in eastern syria where kurdish forces backed by the u.s., they say they've got eight fatalities, 17 injured and some of that seriously. that's in eastern syria just where the strikes were on friday night. the iranian-backed houthis in yemen putting out a defiant statement this morning after those international and separate
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according to the administration strikes overnight on saturday through into sunday. as secretary blinken arrives in this region -- he's now in saudi arabia -- and tries to push for a cease-fire in gaza which is looking really challenging. and at the same time the white house tries to push back on iran. it's multiple fronts and it's extraordinarily difficult quite clearly. there is a lot that could happen before actually striking inside iran because, as i mentioned, what it looks like over the weekend is that there were not any direct hits on iranian individuals. >> okay. so, obviously, there's still so much unknown, so much tension in the region, potential threats outstanding. so monica, we're hearing from the u.s. administration there's more to come. what more do we know about what that next round might look like? >> reporter: exactly, ana.
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this is really a matter where when we asked these questions about whether the administration is going to rule in or rule out strikes potentially in iran directly, they've been very careful with their words. they really don't want to telegraph anything in advance, just saying there could be more action. it was notable when our colleague kristen welker pushed the national security adviser this weekend on that exact question how he replied. listen to that exchange. >> have you ruled out strikes inside iran? >> well, sitting here today on a national news program, i'm not going to get into what we've ruled in and ruled out from the point of view of military action. what i will say is that the president has determined to respond forcefully to attacks on our people. the president also is not looking for a wider war in the middle east. >> reporter: so we know that there will be more action, more retaliation here from the u.s. military, ana.
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the critical question is this going to have components that won't be as visible, likely something in this cyberspace arena. that is something that could come or potentially has already started that would likely be another aspect to all of this, that the biden administration would point to. they have said from the very beginning this was going to be a multi-phase plan. not necessarily saying they were going to be hitting iran. that want to reserve all their options in case this does escalate. >> monica alba and keir simmons, thank you both for your reporting. joining us is helene cooper, "new york times" pentagon correspondent and douglas ol' vant, a senior national security adviser with new america and former director for iraq during the bush and obama administrations. helene, u.s. officials say the retaliation for this deadly
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drone attack is not over. what are you learning about what could come next? >> hi, ana. thanks for having me. i think you're going to see quite a lot more of the same. you saw on friday they struck 85 targets, as you mentioned. and on saturday they went after 36 in yemen. friday was iraq and syria. saturday was yemen. saturday's strikes included what p pentagon calls their self-defense strikes. that's just when they hit, say, a missile that is about to launch at a ship in the red sea. but they also had 36 other targets that they went after on saturday, and these are more established houthi sites. we're talking there about weapons and storage facilities, training facilities, that sort
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of thing. that's not a self-defense strike. that's an offensive strike that's going after houthi capability. it's not just, oh, we see a missile about to launch, let's shoot it before it gets into the sky. this is different. i think you can expect, to answer your question, in the next few days and weeks, to see more of this. you even have at this moment their defense officials arguing that the united states needs to carry out the same type of operation that it undertook to defeat the islamic state in iraq and syria. as you recall, that started in 2014. that was a years' long effort. president biden has been clear that he doesn't want a wider war. i doubt that he is going to go for something like that, something that's that sustained, but i think we're certainly looking at a mini sustained type thing that would definitely go after at some point leaders.
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>> douglas, you've got these iran-backed militia groups in iraq and syria, groups in yemen apparently still on attack. the u.s. firing back on all fronts. the big question is, is this response effective. what's your assessment? >> i think this response had to be done -- and it's good to be with you, ana. i think this response was also baked into the plan of these groups in the first place. when they launched these missiles, started these attacks in october, they knew that sooner or later the united states was going to strike back, and they knew it was going to be strikes more or less of this flavor. perhaps they weren't sure of the scope and scale. but these are groups that through thousands upon thousands of their young men at isis to liberate iraq in just a very few short years ago, 5, 7 years ago,
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i don't think they're particularly sensitive to losing 80, 100 of their young fighters, a few buildings and maybe some material. >> do you think the u.s. should be concerned about blowback from these groups or even iran, douglas? >> i'm not the only one saying this is the unique balancing act that the biden administration has to work through. almost everyone is using the goldilocks metaphor, not too little, not too hot, not too cold. the problem is the just-right solution is baked into the calculus of these groups. the militias in iraq and syria are used to being bombed. the houthis are used to being bombed. the saudis bombed them on almost a daily basis for years during the last decade. when we talk about iran, i'm not sure the iranians wouldn't welcome a strike in iran. we all know they've been dealing
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with domestic discontent. there's nothing like a few strikes from an outside power to rally your population around the flag. i think the administration is faced with a real dilemma here. how do you establish deterrence without going into a place that your opponent would really like you to go, be drawn in either to reenforce popular sentiment among their populations or to, as we said, escalate this war, perhaps bring hezbollah in against israel, escalate and further expand the conflict in a way we all want to avoid. >> helene, we only have about a minute. national security adviser jack sullivan wouldn't rule out a strike against iran. he would not rule it out. what do you make of that? >> they're not going to strike iran. i would be very surprised. that would be a declaration of war. watch after i say this i'm going to be proven wrong. i think what you heard from jake
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sullivan was exactly the type of carefully spoken response to kerstin's really good pushing. it's hard to imagine for president biden to do that. that would be a really big deal. it would be really surprising. it's not out of the question. he's been very, very clear. jake said that as i was pursing through this exchange with kristen yesterday, we don't want a wider war. striking inside iran would be a giant step toward a wider war. >> helene keerp and douglas ollivant, thank you so much. up next on "ana cabrera reports," the bipartisan senate border bill is finally here. what's in it, and does it have any hope of succeeding? donald trump's d.c. election interference case officially off the court calendar. new nbc polling on how a trump
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most common side effects are tiredness, headache, injection-site pain and muscle pain. ask your pharmacist or doctor about abrysvo today. senate negotiators have just introduced their long awaited bipartisan immigration bill. its future isn't looking too good. house speaker mike johnson already calling it dead on arrival. the $118 billion package includes a series of tougher new asylum and border rules and support for israel, ukraine and taiwan. conservatives and allies of former president trump say they won't support it if it is not perfect. >> is donald trump calling the shots here, mr. speaker? >> of course not. he's not calling the shots. i am the calling the shots for the house. that's our responsibility. i have been seeing this far
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longer than president trump has. >> let's get to ryan nobles on capitol hill. also joining us former republican congressman and msnbc political analyst david jolly. ryan, break this all down for us. what's in the deal and what are the obstacles that face this? >> reporter: we should point out many republicans who negotiated this deal called it the most conservative border policy proposal in a generation. it limits options for people outside of the u.s. to obtain asylum. it makes it much more difficult to do that. it raises the standard for people at the border to qualify for asylum and also speeds up the processing of these claims, cutting off avenues of appeal if they're rejected. it also ends the process known as catch and release by enforcing the government monitoring of migrants. of course, the border piece is part of this overall big package that deals with four different national security emergencies including $60 billion in an for the ukrainian military, $14.1
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billion in security assistance for israel. it includes humanitarian funding as well. there's also no restrictions to the aid to israel. but there are a ton of obstacles right now. it's facing pushback from some democrats in the senate concerned about the immigration policies going too far and also concerned there are no restrictions on the aid to israel. speaker johnson has already said it's dead on arrival, saying it doesn't go for enough for what republicans are looking for. of course, the big factor looming over all of this is former president donald trump who would like to use immigration as a campaign issue does not want to give joe biden any sort of win when it comes to these negotiations. so former president trump hammering this package, putting a ton of pressure on rank and file republicans who many of their supporters are big supporters of donald trump as well. >> congressman, i want to play part of the response from republican senator james lankford, one of the key
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negotiators here after speaker johnson said this bill was worse than he expected. watch. >> i'm a little confused how it's worse than they expected when it builds border wall, e pandz deportation flights, expanse ice officers, border patrol officers, detention beds, how it creates a faster process for deportation, how it clears up a lot of the long-term issues and loopholes that have existed in the asylum law and then gives us an emergency authority that stops the chaos right now on the border. so i'm a little confused. >> congressman, if this wasn't an election year, would we be seeing this kind of pushback from republicans? >> sadly, no, because republicans will never support a border security deal because it gives away the issue. this has been the case now for 20 years. they don't want to solve the issue so they can always run against it. we also have to realize we're one or two political generations within the gop of this really tainted xenophobic lens when it
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comes to migrants at the southwest border, not european migrants coming into jfk airport, but those at the southwest border. the remarkable thing is, this is a very conservative bill, almost surprising that president biden would sign it. >> congressman, this bill also has the billions in aid for israel, ukraine and taiwan. speaker johnson is trying to go around that, introducing his own stand-alone bill for israel aid over the weekend. my question is where do you see that foreign aid now? is there a path forward if it's able to be carvedout and passed separately from this border bill? >> i think the senate, including senate republicans and joe biden are saying they're not gong to take a stand-alone israel aid bill from the house, but you'll see the house move it. we all remember how a bill becomes a law from being kids. at this point they have to get
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together. if there's one short side on the immigration bill is there was not involvement from senate republicans. that doesn't mean speak earn johnson needs to walk away. it's true on the foreign aid bills for israel and ukraine as well. >> ryan, house republicans are also moving forward today with their push to impeach homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. >> reporter: this will go through a crucial step today setting it up for a full vote later this week. this just adds to the confusion as it relates to this border package negotiations. mayorkas is among the group of people in the room for these negotiations. it demonstrates how republicans are not really often interested in the negotiation around this border package, that they would rather make this a campaign issue, single out mayorkas, saying they want to impeach him, accusing him of not enforcing border policy is an example of how they're doing everything to fan the flames of this conversation. >> ryan nobles, thank you.
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david jolly, former congressman, really appreciate it. tune in to "andrea mitchell reports" at 12:00 p.m. eastern today where we will hear from one of the lead border negotiators, democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. still ahead on "ana cabrera reports," lots of positive economic news lately. what new nbc polling tells us about how the voters see it. all eyes on the next gop primary battles in nevada and south carolina as nikki haley turns up the heat on trump. >> i was proud to serve america in his administration, but chaos follows him. follows him. known for keeping with tradition. known for discovering new places. no one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. keytruda is known to treat cancer. fda-approved for 16 types of cancer, including certain early-stage and advanced cancers. one of those cancers is early-stage non—small cell lung cancer.
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a commanding victory in south carolina. president biden taking home more than 95% of the vote in that state's democratic primary this weekend just three weeks ahead of the republican primary where nikki haley is hoping to gain ground against former president trump in her home state. this morning, our sights are on nevada and the confusion over tomorrow's gop primary there. former president donald trump's name will not appear on nevada's primary ballot. instead, he is only competing in the separate republican caucus later in the week. let's bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard in las vegas and nbc news political correspondent steve kornacki. vaughn, the republican primary
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decided to hold caucuses despite a democratically-led law that eliminated the caucus. how can republicans simply ignore that law and what does it mean for the outcome of these dueling contests? >> reporter: ana, the nevada republican party, they actually took the state to court after the state legislature implemented a primary. the state republican party said we historically run caucuses. we want to have a caucus be what counts in determining the gop presidential nominee. they took them to court. the court ruled there would, in fact, be a primary as designated by the state, but the party could hold a caucus if they wanted. so that's exactly what the nevada gop is doing, tomorrow is the state-run primary, but on thursday is the party-run caucus. the delegates, they're only coming from the caucus. but each of the republican candidates were left with a choice.
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did they want to take part in the primary or the caucus? nikki haley said she wanted to take part in the primary despite the fact that no delegates are coming from it. she here just in the last couple weeks made the case that the caucus is essentially all but rigged against her, that the gop chairman here has endorsed donald trump. in the state committee they went to mar-a-lago last year and met with donald trump. she said she'd rather take part in the state-run primary. there's one part we're looking at tomorrow, ana. there is an option for voters to choose, quote, none of the above. could none of the above beat nikki haley in the primary? that's a question mark. of curse on thursday it will be donald trump all by himself. we already know this week donald trump is going to be leaving the state of nevada with all the delegates here from the state. >> a lot about optics i guess this week, with nikki haley saying i won the primary in nevada even if she doesn't get delegates, and if that is the result tomorrow, and then, of course, the caucus later this
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week. it is confusing, but you definitely helped us to understand it better. thank you so much, vaughn. let's go to steve now with our new polling on this potential rematch between biden and trump. what does it find, steve? >> let's take a look. brand new nbc news poll here. bottom line, we asked folks if it's trump and biden again, who are you form? donald trump, the former president with a five-point lead over the president who beat him four years ago in our poll here. last time we tested this match-up was back in november, a few months ago. you can see that was two points in trump's favor back then. five now. i think the bigger picture trajectory on this is what's most interesting. actually, when you go back to the end of 2019 we've now polled -- nbc has polled a trump/biden match-up 16 times. take a look. this is in the 2020 cycle, again starting at the end of 2019. biden led every single poll in 2019 and 2020. the closest was biden by six,
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the biggest margin was biden by 14. it wasn't just us. just about every major national pollster was consistently finding solid biden leads over trump throughout the 2020 campaign. now you go to the 2024 cycle, we've taken four polls this cycle. biden had a four-point advantage this summer against trump. became a tie, a trump two-point lead in the last one and now up to five. that's also consistent with other national polls. you've seen a lot more polls showing trump actually leading biden this time around when you basically didn't see any four years ago. i think that's significant as is the fact that biden is going from ahead to behind in our poll. what's behind that? you look to the approval rating and see the overall job performance of biden. we see 37% in our poll. that's the lowest biden has scored. in our poll, that's the lowest any president has scored in an nbc news poll since the very end of the george w. bush
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administration 2007-2008. this is the highest disapproval rating for biden at 68%. here are the presidents this century to seek re-election, what was their approval rating at this same point, at the start of their re-election year in our poll. again, you see a big difference, george w. bush, 2004, 54% approval rating. he won are re-election. barack obama 2012 was at 49%, he won re-election. trump was below that at 46 and he lost the re-election in 2020. here is joe biden at 37% heading into 2024. only two presidents seeking re-election that low, george bush sr. in 1992, jimmy carter in 1980. that's the historical context. there's the issue environment right now. asking folks, what is the most important issue to you and who do you think would better handle that. you see the economy and securing the border rate very high and the big trump advantages there, 22 points on the economy, 35 on
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the border. obviously when you talk to biden folks and say what are they hopeful and optimistic to turn this around, they hope the economy has been positive indications. they hope that continues, that sell rates and eventually that brings this number up for biden, brings it down for trump and overall would tighten the horse race. that's hair hope. we'll see if that plays out. >> steve kornacki, as always, lots of information to dissect. thank you very much. up next on "ana cabrera reports," the diplomatic stakes of secretary blinken's latest trip to the middle east as the u.s. launches retaliatory strikes for the deadly attack on an american base in jordan. the deadly wildfires ripping through chile. chile. (sigh) (snoring) if you struggle with cpap... you should check out inspire.
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u.s. strikes, israel-hamas fighting in gaza, hostage talks ongoing. describe this moment the secretary is walking into? >> reporter: the secretary probably described it best himself. he said this is the most dangerous moment in the middle east since the 1973 war between israel and its arab neighbors. this is the most intense shuttle diplomacy when we saw henry kissinger going from capital to capital in this region. the secretary, as we speak, is meeting with crown prince mohammed bin salman, the de facto leader, somebody who potentially has a very big role to play in funding the reconstruction of gaza on the other side of this war. as we have seen, we were in gaza over the weekend, it is absolutely devastated, by some analysis, more than half of the buildings in gaza partly or completely destroyed by israeli strikes. the secretary has two top
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priorities on this visit. one, preventing further escalation with iran. two, trying to clinch a deal to pause the fighting in gaza, release some of those hostages. on iran, the u.s. did target facilities belonging to the iranian revolutionary guard corps, but no iranians were themselves killed as far as we know. and the response from iran has been fairly restrained to those american strikes. they have condemned them as violations of iraqi and syrian sovereignty. they are not themselves threatening reprisals. on the potential hostage deal, there was a framework hammered out in paris about ten days ago at a meeting of spooi chiefs including the cia director. we are still waiting for hamas to formally respond to that framework. they are saying that any agreement has to include the end of the war and the release of thousands of palestinian prisoners from israeli jails. those are conditions prime
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minister benjamin netanyahu says he will not agree to. ana. >> raf sanchez in israel, thank you. joining us, frank low en stein. frank, there is obviously so much happening right now. where is blinken going to focus on this trip and what can he realistically accomplish? >> well, thanks for having me. as your correspondent just mentioned, he has two, really three primary objectives in this trip. it's a high-stakes trip. i did this kind of trip with secretary kerry in the 2014 gaza war. there's a lot of things that can go wrong at every turn. first, the humanitarian cease-fire has to be a primary objective of the secretary. i don't think there's a way to stop the regional escalation without stopping the war in gaza. it's a fine balance between establishing deterrence with iran and its proxies, but also not facilitating any escalation. if they can get that done, they can get humanitarian assistance
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in to the people, the 1.8 million people in gaza who are in extremis right now. during that pause, they'll have the opportunity to pull the grander bargain together which is what the secretary is probably doing in saudi arabia right now, trying to figure out if there's a way to fold saudi normalizations of relations with israel in the middle east. a lot of balls in the air for the secretary. >> nothing happens in a vacuum. what's happening in gaza, in lebanon, in yemen, with the red sea, and what's happening in iraq and syria involving this iranian-backed miitia groups. the key thing is iran who is not meeting with the u.s. and there aren't direct communications happening right now. yes, the president will be in saudi arabia and egypt and qatar in addition to israel. how can he get that message back to the iranians? >> i think there's two different ways you do that. the first is with your actions on the ground.
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that's what we're trying to do right now, is to find that balance between degrading the capabilities of iran's militias and deterring iran, making clear to iran, if they continue to escalate, we will continue to escalate and that's not going to end well for them. i'm sure there's back-channel diplomacy going on where we're saying, look we don't want a war here, we don't think you want a war here. we have to be careful it doesn't accidentally spin out of control. it's a multi-pronged effort. i think we have to be clear to iran and its proxies we won't tolerate those types of attacks on u.s. troops. it has to be a strong enough signal and we have to get that message across. >> according to the department of defense, at least 84 of the 85 targets were hit and were destroyed or effectively damaged -- functionally damaged i think was the word they used. the israeli national security minister had pretty harsh criticism for the biden
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administration telling the "wall street journal," quote, instead of giving us his full backing, biden is busy giving humanitarian aid and fuel which goss to hamas. if trump was in power the u.s. conduct would be completely different. now netanyahu appears to be trying to clean up this comment saying he greatly appreciates the support from the biden administration. how does this complicate the situation in gaza? >> two different fronts. first of all, the message is coming out of prime minister netanyahu's senior cabinet ministers are profoundly unhelpful. in terms of the message we're trying to get, we respect palestinian's rights to live in gaza, not trying to replace them or remove them. that will make it impossible to get the arab world back on board with reconstruction in gaza if they think the goal is ethnic cleansing there. at the same time it makes prime minister netanyahu's politics very, very challenging. he needs this hostage deal. the united states needs this hostage deal.
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if prime minister netanyahu is prevented from entering into some kind of reasonable deal because his right wing ministers are threatening to collapse the government, that obviously ties his hands. i will say they're threatening to leave the coalition if beebee makes this deal. i think there's a lot of folks in israel who are taking what they say with a grain of salt. >> frank lowenstein, you're a wealth of knowledge. thank you so much for providing those insights. >> thank you. turning to chile where at least 112 people are dead as crews struggle to contain raging forest fires. the fires began in a mountain range in central chile and quickly moved into a densely populated area despite the efforts to slow the advance of the fires. now nearly 2,000 people are already homeless as a result of the fires. chile's president calling it a tragedy of very great magnitude and ordering two days of national mourning for the
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victims. again, 112 people dead. up next here on "ana cabrera reports," the warning from one legal expert that it is time to, quote, freak out over delays in donald trump's election interference case. plus, the historic case of jennifer crumbly is now in the hands of the jury. do the crimes of her son who committed a school shooting merit her conviction? r convictin here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you'd rather be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away
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more uncertainty in donald trump's busy court schedule. judge tanya chutkan has officially delayed the start of his federal election interference trial, writing that she'll reschedule if and when trump's presidential immunity claims are resolved. we're still awaiting on that issue a month after a u.s. appeals court heard arguments. all this comes as trump is gearing up for a big court week with the supreme court set to hear his colorado eligibility claim. fred kirschner is joining us for all this. with the election subversion case on hold indefinitely. we heard from neal katyal on our air yesterday that he's in the freak-out stage over indefinitely, right now we heard from neal katyal that he is in the freakout stage over these delays. what's your take? >> i don't know that i'm ready to freak out yet, ana, but i am concerned because if it turns out that our institutions of government were unable to take
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donald trump to trial for trying to undermine the results of a presidential election, unable to take him to trial in the four years between presidential elections, that will be a very sad result. but you know, there are a couple of dates to look for. there is march 1st, which we haven't heard much about. that's when the parties will gather together in a courtroom in florida, and judge cannon will decide whether the may 20th trial in the documents case will stick or get pushed down the road, and then the other big date coming up apart from the supreme court argument later this week is march 25th because that's when donald trump's new york prosecution for falsifying business records to cover up hush money payments to interfere in the 2016 presidential election is scheduled to begin. >> right, so on that point, if trump's first trial is this hush money case scheduled to begin on march 25th, are you surprised
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that that would go to trial first, and will it set the tone then for other trials to come? >> you know, i'm not that surprised because what was the first case that was indicted against the former president? >> that one. >> exactly. it was the hush money case, so it actually makes some chronological sense, the first case to be indicted ends up being the first one to go to trial, but it feels like the stakes are highest, ana, in the election interference case in d.c. so let's hope once that issue is resolved by the appellate courts judge chutkan can find some daylight in donald trump's trial schedule and can drop her case back on his calendar. >> right, and again, it's about presidential immunity. that's what we are waiting a decision on from the appeals court. of course he could take it then to the supreme court or either side could, so that could create a further delay. right now the supreme court will be hearing arguments on trump's ballot eligibility in colorado, and those arguments are on
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thursday. we're going to have special coverage here on msnbc. but glenn, what will you be watching for, and how long might it be before we get a decision in this? >> yeah, great question especially the latter one. we could see a fractured supreme court with multiple opinions being written, ultimately on weather donald trump is disqualified or not from the presidential ballot. what i'm really looking for is, you know, gauging the questions that each of the justices pose to the parties because that will probably give us some indication regarding how each justice is leaning, but you know, my take on it is even though the legal authority, the precedent is pretty overwhelmingly in favor of disqualification, i think the supreme court could find any rationale they want to reach any result they want, so this will be a bit of a cliff hanger. >> as always it is. that you think so much, glenn kirschner, i really appreciate your expertise.
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committed voluntary manslaughter when she ignored warning signs ahead of her son's attack. her defense argues she didn't know what he was planning. nbc's jesse kirsch joins us from pontiac, michigan. jesse, what are these jurors considering actually? >> reporter: there are two legal theories that the judge has laid out that the jurors will be krk. they don't have to all agree on which theory has been proven, but the underlying historic question these jurors are considering is can the mother of a high school mass shooter be found guilty for involuntary manslaughter because of a shooting rampage carried out by her son? this morning a michigan jury is preparing to answer an unprecedented question, at what point can a parent be found guilty for their child's deadly shooting rampage? >> we didn't just hand him a gun as a here you go, son. it was something he could use when we went to the range as a family together. >> reporter: after jennifer crumbley testified in her own
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defense, prosecutors cross examining the oxford school shooter's mother friday, attempting to undercut crumbley's defense that her husband james was in charge of storing their son's handgun. >> it's pretty clear you didn't trust james with much. you didn't trust him to get out of bed on time. >> correct. >> you didn't trust him to keep track of your son. >> i trusted him to keep track of my son. >> okay. but this is the person you entrusted with a deadly weapon? >> i did. >> reporter: in her closing argument, crumbley's district attorney saying crumbley could not have predicted her son would kill four schoolmates. >> the crumbley's son was a skilled manipulator, and they didn't realize it. he's not sick. he doesn't have a mental illness. i am asking that you find jennifer crumbley not guilty, not just for jennifer crumbley, but for every mother who's out there doing the best they can who could easily be in her shoes. >> reporter: prosecutors getting the last word. >> he literally drew a picture
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of what he was going to do. he drew a picture. it says help me. it has the drawing of the gun that she bought him, posted and bragged about. >> reporter: the mother of key keegan gregory believes jennifer crumbley should have gotten her son treatment. >> it's frustrating because they had the knowledge. they knew he wasn't right. >> reporter: and we now know more about the 12 jurors deciding jennifer crumbley's fate. seven of them are parents, and a combined eight of them have guns in their household right now or grew with up with guns in their household. >> that's going to do it for us, see you back here tomorrow same time same place. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. josé diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now.
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