the power and prestige of that position, flanked by his daughter to discuss something that happens in any system you care about where you say okay, it's because you care that you want it to be right. or at least as he put it, close to right. the grammys got a lot of things wrong over the years, and well, they may be shifting. but it was very interesting to hear that set of remarks about why fuller shifts still have to happen. i also want to end with a shout out to the nominees, the winners, and all of the artists who may never be fully celebrated by the system or even in their time, yet it is artists who so often enrich our lives and open our minds. that's our final thought tonight. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> did you propose this stand-alone israel aid package to kill this compromise deal in

the senate? >> no, we made very clear what the requirements of the house were. that is to solve the problem at the border. >> is donald trump calling the shots here, mr. speaker? >> of course not. he's not calling the shots. i am calling the shots for the house. that's our responsibility. >> of course not. but trump did tell them to do nothing about the border this year because republicans can't afford to give it up as an election issue. also tonight, how trump managed to delay, delay, delay his criminal trials. something no regular citizen would be able to do. plus, as trump openly roots for a crash, joe biden presides over what even trump advisers admit is a whopper of an economy. but we begin tonight with an emergency. a crisis, a catastrophe, at least that's what republican lawmakers have spent the last few month calling the situation at the southern border.

>> one thing is absolutely clear. america is at a breaking point with record levels of illegal immigration. it is an unmiigated disaster. what's more tragic is that it's a disaster of the president's own design. >> the border crisis, which is the top issue across the country. the numbers do not lie. our country is being invaded right now, right in front of our very eyes because of joe biden's catastrophic border policies. >> cannot allow this border crisis to continue. we cannot allow fentanyl to flood across our border or criminals to waltz in undeterred. >> this is cleary an invasion, a purposeful one inflicting dangerous consequences on our country. >> given such alarmist rhetoric, you would think these lawmakers would want to act immediately to get this catastrophe under control, right? well, as of yesterday, they actually had a chance to do that. after months of talks, senate negotiators finally released a sweeping bipartisan border security deal. the proposed bill would raise the standard to grant asylum,

send away those who don't qualify, and expedite cases for those who do. it would also give the president new authority to effectively shut down the border to migrants when attempted crossings are high. and end the practice of catch and release. while also providing billions of dollars in funding for ukraine, israel, and taiwan, as well as humanitarian assistance for civilians in gaza. leading republicans in the house said nope, we don't want it. almost immediately. house speaker mike johnson along with steve scalise and elise stefanik took to social media to throw cold water on any hopes of even debating the bill. and earlier today, they released a statement putting the final nail in the coffin. writing that any consideration of this senate bill and its current form is a waste of time. it's dead on arrival in the house. we encourage the senate to reject it. instead, the speaker is proposing a stand-alone bill providing aid to israel, cutting

out the border and aid to ukraine. so let's be very clear. the same people who are going on and on and going on these trips to the border to stir up outrage and yell about an immigration crisis were handed the opportunity to help fix the issue on a silver platter. a bill that was negotiated by conservative republican senator james lankford, and this is not some liberal wish list. it's actually the most conservative and aggressive border bill we have seen in decades. the democrats and president biden were willing to bite their tongues and support despite the fact that it offers no path to citizenship and doesn't even address the dreamers. a bill that the border patrol union which has been very critical of president biden, even they endorse it, saying, quote, while not perfect, it is a step in the right direction and is far better than the current status quo. and maga republicans say, nah, we're good. make it make sense. right now, even senator langford

is calling the party out on their foolishness. >> are we as republicans going to have press conferences and complain the border is bad and then intentionally leave it open? are we going to just complain about things or are we going to address and chinj as many things as we can. if we have a shot, it's amazing if i go back two months ago and say we had a shot under a democrat president to increase detention beds, deportation flights, lock down the border, to change the asylum laws, no one would have believed it, and now no one wants to fix it. >> but the republicans' refusal to even consider this bill makes a lot more sense when you see the reaction of the guy who, let's be real, is calling all the shots here, donald trump. posting on his fake twitter site, he declared that the ridiculous border bill is nothing more than a highly sophisticated trap for republicans to assume the blame on what the radical left democrats have done to our border. just in time for our most important election. don't fall for it.

lots of exclamation points. never mind the fact when trump actually was the president, he never passed a single immigration bill. even when his party controlled the house and the senate. he never even closed the border which he keeps saying needs to be closed. but i guess facts don't matter to these people. the only thing that does matter is getting donald trump elected. i have said it before and i'll say it again. they don't want a solution. they want the chaos. they would rather run on the problem than give joe biden a win in an election year on what voters say is one of the most important issues to them. don't just take my word for it. take theirs. >> i think we need to demand fix it, solve it, and i'll tell you, there's only one way to solve it. that is to throw joe biden out of office, to elect donald trump in november. >> why would i help joe biden improve his dismal 33% when he can fix the border, secure it on his own? >> this invasion is insane. we need four more years of

donald trump. >> oh, tim scott. joining me now is jason johnson, msnbc contributor and professor of politics and journalism at morgan state university, and al cardenas, former senior adviser to jeb bush's 2016 presidential campaign. al, good to see you. it's been too long. thank you for coming on. i want to start with you. the republicans have said almost nothing else over the past, you know, year except there's a border crisis. it's urgent. there was a whole convoy that went down where people went to see the crisis with their own eyes. they're stringing razor wire across the rio grande. they're saying this is urgent, urgent. then they get a bill that progressive democrats hate. this is a bill that is so right-wing, it's shocking biden would sign it, but he will. he'll sign it. there were no latinos in the room when it was put together. it's literally a right wing bill. a conservative bill. and they're saying nah, we're going to itch people alejandro

mayorkas. your thoughts. >> i'm so sick and tired of this. there's probably nothing more significant on their plate in a lot of years in america than this bill. you're talking about border security, and more importantly, you're talking about national security. congress' number one function. you have a crisis that if not solved properly will lead to war all over. you have a crisis with taiwan, a crisis, money that is necessary now. the house passed hr-2. if you remember that bill -- >> hold on one second, al. your mic is a little funny. i'm going to have you hold on and see if we can fix your audio. because i can kind of understand it, but i think it's important that we hear you. we're going to work on your audio. let me go to jason. let me show you what trump said was his immigration plan. i will note again, didn't pass

when he was president. expand the muslim band, get rid of the 14th amendment and birth right citizenship of undocumented immigrants. reject applicants deemed marxist using social media. complete the border wall even though there's water. use the coast guard and navy to form a blockade to stop drug smuggling. extend texas' floating razor wire barriers to catch more babies. designate drug cartels as unlawful enemy combatants. and quickly deport migrant gang members. you and i both know, jason, that the senate democrats could literally write all of those things i just wrote into a bill, and call it the donald trump is the most awesome person to ever hold the presidency bill of 2024, and mike johnson wouldn't put that on the floor. because then they would still have to say they passed a bill and they're afraid biden would get the credit. >> joy, this is the thing.

we have seen this movie before on netflix. it was called health care. republicans ran to end obamacare for years and years. and eight hole years we're going to get rid of obamacare. all the pauls had plans, and what happens? they get a republican house, a republican senate, and republican president, and they still couldn't figure out how to solve health care. this is no different. none of these people are interested in solving the problem. look, i must admit, compliments to all your producers. the cgi to remove all the puppet strings from speaker johnson during that segment was amazing. >> he's a real boy now. >> he's a real boy now. his wish was granted. that's amazing. so you know, even if his nose isn't going to grow, we all know the man is lying when he says they actually want to solve the problem. they don't care about ukraine, they don't care about what's happening in israel or at the border. what's important, though, that joe biden and democrats need to

make sure they're screaming about this point. i don't think most americans think any party is going to solve the border, but you is to look like you want to do something. >> the thing is, and hopefully al will come back to us very soon and we can get his mic to work again. the thing about it is, democrats approach to the border is always based on compassion. how do we get the dreamers to have the opportunity to remain? how do we provide enough workers to keep our agriculture industry going, the cheap labor they like to have in the agriculture industry? it's all based on what do we do with the humans. republicans' approach has always just been border security. just stop all those people from coming here, the end. when joe biden says, okay, man, let's just stop all the people from coming in, i personally do not understand why their voters do not say, wait a minute, you don't want to stop the people from coming in? because that literally catches them out that them saying it was

always bs. >> joy, we have seen this with 90% of major republican cultural issues for going on 30 years now. for every single right wing republican who was happy about the overturn of roe, there were hundreds of republicans in state senates throughout the country like, what are we going to do if we can't run against abortion anymore? that's the problem. they don't want these problems solved. what did the joker say, like a dog chasing a car. i wouldn't know what to do if i caught one. now they caught it. they have the whole country worried about the border. quite frankly, there are things that need to be done at the border. i don't think this bill is particularly a good bill. i think the idea of shutting down the border when too many people need to come across is like saying we're going to stop free lunches if too many kids need them. that's not how you solve the problem. at the end of the day, it's a demonstration of the fact we only have one semi-functional party in the country, and the other is basically a cult not interested in governing because they haven't come up with

governing policy on going on ten to fifteen years now. >> al, please finish your thought you started earlier. >> yes, look, this bill would pass the house, joy. in spite of the speaker, if the rules allowed the bill to be voted on. it would pass by 20 or 30 votes. it's the speaker and the leadership around him that's keeping the american people from having congress vote on it. i don't like the bill, just like mr. johnson doesn't. but i swallow the bitter pill, as i'm sure the president did, because there's too much at stake. there are too many national security issues at stake. we need to address them immediately. and what mike johnson is doing is unconscionable. and finally, to mitch mcconnell woke up and was very strong about the gauntlet having been laid and having us to move in on this. critical national security reasons. look, the house passed when it

was their turn under republican leadership, hr-2. that hr-2 immigration bill contains most of what this immigration bill contains. it is a scandal. having passed hr-2, they won't even take this bill up. it's a scandal. and frankly, our national security status globally has been hurt enormously as a result. >> can i ask you to explain to me as somebody who ran a republican party, who was in charge of it, why aren't there more consequences among republican voters? you know, it seemed that republicans even in your home state, my former home state of florida, were willing to reward ron desantis for theatrics, of putting venezuelans from a whole other state, texas, on planes and shipping them out to new york and chicago and martha's vineyard, but when there's actual, you know, legislation on the table and these guys openly say we're not passing that because we're going to wait for donald trump to come in and get

rid of the 14th amendment, which is never going to happen. why don't republican voters penalize them for it? >> bingo. and i'll tell you what, if this continues, donald trump is very cocky about the election, but when 35% or more of the republican voters in these primaries are saying no to him, i was hoping that would be a message. a message that obviously he won't listen to. he's putting himself in a real bind. republicans want security at the border. republicans that i know of, republicans that still are a significant part of the party, want issues resolved for ukraine, for israel, for taiwan. what's going on now is really unconscionable. i won't leave the party because i want to change it, but i will tell you this. i go to bed angry every night. and i shouldn't. i should be at this stage of my life at peace, but people don't

realize, our country is probably from a danger standpoint, where the world was in the 1930s. i'm just so shocked that we don't appeal to our higher interests. >> i think a lot of people are shocked with you. al cardenas, a good and decent man, and who even if he's disagreeing with you, always does so as a gentleman. we miss more of you in the party. >> i wish you came to miami for your book tour. >> i'm coming. trust and believe. ron desantis book bans will not keep me away from the 305. i will be down there. thank you so much. jason johnson and al cardenas, thank you both very much. up next on "the reidout" -- ♪ you got a fast car ♪ ♪ i want a ticket to anywhere ♪ ♪ maybe we can make a deal ♪

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federal election interference case. there's still no word from the court nor any indication of when that decision could come. it is unclear what that means for how they will rule. though many legal experts say trump should expect the three-judge panel to rule against him. but regardless of their ruling, trump is already getting what he wants. delay, delay, delay. as a result of the appeal, judge tanya chutkan officially pulled the march 4th trial start date from the court's calendar with no new date listed. and even if a ruling against trump was released today, he could still request the full d.c. court of appeals take up the case and possibly take it to the supreme court meaning more delays. the result is that we wouldn't likely see any trial start until the summer at best. and at worst, possibly not until after the election. joining me now is maya wiley, civil rights attorney and president of the leadership conference on civil and human

rights. and maya, you know, let me play some sound of somebody we both know who is normally super calm and measured. here's neal katyal saying he's reached the freak-out mode. take a listen. >> i am officially now at the freak-out stage. i think we're now at the point to use a different legal phrase, justice delayed is justice denied. i mean, i can't imagine a more compelling need for speed than the idea that american citizens deserve to know before the election whether a candidate for office is a felon and an insurrectionist. and it's even more galling to me because this is an easy case. there is no responsible constitutional scholar who thinks donald trump is right, that there's an absolute immunity. >> how close are you to freak-out stage? >> i was there a month ago. i mean, look, i was there with the fact we were having a straight up legal conversation about that three-judge panel and

trump's lawyers arguing that, yeah, basically, he could be a king, he could be a dictator. >> he could order the s.e.a.l. team 6 to kill his political opponent. don't they want people to know whether in this three-judge panel's opinion joe biden as president could order s.e.a.l. team 6 to kill his political opponents? >> exactly. i mean, the point about all of this, and you are so right about neal being calm. he is also a consummate constitutionalist when it comes to arguing in the supreme court. the point, the legal point that all lawyers are making right now and that three-judge panel made in the argument is like, it was very clear that this is not even a hard or close case. you do not have to write a long opinion. you do not have to spend a lot of time on this to say, look, we can lay this out pretty clearly. it's a constitutional line, but also a clear line for our democracy. and that goes to your point, i

think, that is so important. this is not a partisan issue. >> at all. >> this is anybody of any party, any ilk, any ideology that would stand up and with a straight face demand to be able to do whatever they want. >> any crime. >> sitting in the white house. >> again, those of you who love trump, ask yourself whether you want joe biden to exercise the power you want donald trump to earn. because right now, the president is named joe biden. so if donald trump's argument is true, that means joe biden has the right to take s.e.a.l. team 6 and sic them on any of his political enemies. and kill them. this is not hard. let me ask you, you said it's not partisan. the three judges on this circuit, two of them were appointed by joe biden, what is apoirnted by herbert walker bush. am i a mad person to wonder if their concern is that if they

rule against trump, they will be seen as having ruled in a partisan way? would they by dragging this out, i don't know, it won't go away. could they be dragging it out because they're trying to craft a ruling that seems nonpartisan? >> look, i don't think any of us can sit and get in the minds of anybody sitting on that bench. i would not deign to do so. i will say this. i hope what is happening is they're just spending a lot of time because they want to write a very strong decision because they know that donald trump is going to appeal it. knowing that this is idealogically a very conservative court. i would argue this should be an easy case for any court of any ideology because the only ideology any of us should have is being pro-democracy. >> let me put up the calendar. this is delaying everything. the march 4 trial date is now gone. you have got, you know, super tuesday comes on the 5th. there should have been the start of the federal election

interfeens trial. that's now delayed. so we're going to go through super tuesday not knowing whether this person might be convicted and be a felon. you have the hush money trial which probably now is going to be the first trial. the state of new york doesn't have any questions about whether that starts. then you have the question of whether this man stole classified documents. that seems important. that's supposed to start may 20th. then the republican national convention starts in july. then the interference trial in august. then election day. this calendar is not hospitable to delay. >> it is not. in this particular case where we have the clear efforts of the special prosecutor to make it tight. i mean, all those unindicted coconspirators are not in this case, not because there wasn't evidence but because there was a clear decision to say let's keep it clean, let's keep it narrow. let's keep it focused, and let's get it done. >> right. >> and it should be done.

>> i feel like at a certain point, like our courts are supposed to expeditiously dispense justice. at this point, i feel all they're doing is keeping us in unneeded suspense, and these are the things that make people not trust the judicial system. here we are at the freak-out stage. thank you very much. coming up -- >> i don't want to embarrass this young lady but she has more grammys than anyone and never won album of the year. even by your own metrics that doesn't work. think about that. the most grammys, never won album of the year. that doesn't work. >> jay-z speaking some truth at the grammys. and coming up, i've got some truth to tell you about the biden economy. next on "the reidout."

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one purchased equals one donated. i'm peter dixon and in kenya... we built a hospital that provides maternal care. as a marine... we fought against the taliban and their crimes against women. and in hillary clinton's state department... we took on gender-based violence in the congo. now extremists are banning abortion and contraception right here at home. so, i'm running for congress to help stop them. for your family... and mine. i approved this message because this is who we are. on friday, we got a massive jobs report. 353,000 jobs were added last month. about twice what economists had predicted. the unemployment rate is 3.7%, and has now come in below 4% for two straight years. the longest streak since the 1960s. in addition, wages grew

unexpectedly fast in january. average hourly pay climbed 0.6% frame december. that's the fastest gain in nearly two years. the u.s. economy isn't just avoiding a recession. it's doing the opposite by hatding hundreds of thousands of new jobs and increasing worker pay. despite that, a new poll shows the american public thinks donald trump will be better at handling the economy, and basically everything else except reproductive rights and protecting democracy. according to the poll, which was taken before this jobs report, trump has about a 20% lead over biden on who would be better on the economy. trump's lead over biden was much smaller back in 2020 when voters were asked the same question. hmm. maybe this is a good time for a quick fact check, since the public seems to have forgotten some key facts about the previous administration. data shows that trump didn't build a great economy. he inherited it from president barack obama. and the economy that president

biden inherited was the worst in recent history. in large part because of trump's complete mismanagement of the one big crisis he was called on to handle, the covid pandemic. which caused the economy to all but collapse in 2020, with unemployment skyrocketing to as high as 14.7%. and just the facts from 2021 on, biden's economy has created more jobs on average than trump's did before the pandemic. plus, wage growth that at 4% is outpacing inflation. it was biden, not trump, who oversaw the creation of roughly 800,000 new manufacturing jobs, the strongest rebound after a recession in 72 years. it was biden, not trump, who brought the jobless rate for black americans below 5% for the first time since those numbers have been tracked. friday's report was so good that trump's former economic adviser larry kudlow, who once told us that trump had contained the coronavirus was compelled to

praise the recent biden jobs report. >> i know many of my conservative friends are trying to drill holes in this report. but you know what, folks. it is what it is. it's a very strong report. not every economic stat should be viewed through a political lens. i have been in this business a very long time, and sometimes you just have to throw away the ballot box and just recognize the numbers. they are what they are. this was a very strong report. >> joining me now is ali velshi, msnbc chief correspondent, and host of velshi and stephanie ruhle, msnbc news senior business an l and host of the 11th hour, or as i prefer to call them, velshi and ruhle. i love the two of you together. we love having you together. i'm going to go ladies first. explain, why are people so -- at least a month ago, down on the economy, when effectively, the economy is so good? >> that is changing.

in the last month, we're seeing consumer confidence moving up. we are seeing a shift. but you're not wrong. you continuously see voters throughout history, including now, credit republicans more than they credit democrats for a strong economy. it is not factual. when you look historically at democratic presidents, but messaging is what it is. it has never been a strong suit for democrats. we are seeing president biden take a shift. he's talking about it all the time. in the last week, you saw janet yellen taking a victory lap, that is not something she normally does. and even fed chair jay powell last week when he was giving his announcement last wednesday, he said we have a strong economy. he said it last night on 60 minutes. and do not forget, when and if we get interest rates cut, which is likely going to happen before the presidential election, that will be a huge win for this economy. >> he actually had to warn people, to say just chill out for a second. we'll get to the interest rates

eventually. don't bank on it. everybody is so excited that they want to cut them. first, i'm glad you showed the job chart that showed the increase and then the drop during covid and then the increase. if you take out the drop during covid, the line is still up. biden has created many more jobs than were lost. >> one of the things that hip-hop artist plies has said, i'm going to turn to you, my friend, he said y'all need to learn how to brag on the economy. there are people, you just named powell and people who regular folks don't even know who they are and don't pay attention. business people know who they are. in the streets, people have this memory, usually i wouldn't do this, but i'm going to play sexy red, a hip-hop artist who is very popular, and here's what she said back in last october. >> do you think more people are going to support trump now? >> yeah, they support him in the hood. because at first, i don't think

people [ bleep ], they thought he was racist. and you know, against women. but once he started getting black people out of jail and giving people their free money, baby, we love trump. we need him back in office. >> a little bit of free money goes a long way. >> we need him back. those checks. ooh, yes, those stimulus checks. trump, we miss you. >> first of all, y'all needed to see stephanie ruhle's face. >> theo vaughn and sexy red. let's do it. >> the reason i'm doing this is i hear this a lot, ali. people have a mismemory. they forget donald trump opposed the stimi. fought it, fought it. >> it was forever. congress was twisting itself into pretzels to not give people $600. it was wild. >> but when he finally broke down, he was politically savvy enough to do all but put -- the only thing he didn't put was his face. >> this is the letter. put this up. the stimulus check letter.

donald trump, i don't know if we have a picture. do we have a picture? donald trump sent this letter to folks when they got it so if you're unbanked or underbanked you got a physical check in the mail with a letter saying you're welcome, donald trump. he has convinced people, nancy pelosi gave people that stimulus check, not donald trump. republicans, four of them voted present and let it pass. they voted in a voice vote in the house because the republicans didn't want their fingerprints on it. it was the democrats who gave people the stem stimi. >> democrats have messaging issues. stephanie and i used to argue with people all the time about how the economy is actually going. then you have the situation where you have black unemployment lower than it's ever been. but joe biden ended up with somebody in the car the other day who said he had no idea that black unemployment is down. wages are up, outpacing inflation, and everybody is still telling you about

inflation. >> the biden administration has forgiven so much in student debt. have they message it? no, they have not. there are people who have gotten their student debt forgiven. oil production, we're producing more oil than we ever have in the history ever. and the biden administration isn't messaging it yet. i know it's difficult because they have a big tent party. >> they don't want to hear about the oil. >> sometimes it's like democrats do not want to sing happy birthday until every kid in america has a cupcake. do you want to win the election or not. >> the oil issue is important. by producing all this oil right now, as we get closer to the election, there are a whole bunch of people who would do much better off with trump being reelected. they're going to start hiking the price of oil, cutting back production in august and september to make it feel like gas prices are out of control. america now controls that lever. we produce more oil than anybody. >> let me play, because this is the other thing on a messaging

front where don't understand why biden -- he doesn't play the villain sometimes. let's play ceos and so how they talk when they're on. >> if you look at our performance last year, you saw a very, very strong performance on price. mostly driven by price. that was really accentuated in the fourth quarter. >> the fact remains even though we have taken some pricing to date, our chicken burrito is still less than $80 for most parts of the country. we have more room to take price. as we need to. obviously, we want to take our time on doing that. >> they just admitted, the ceo of kroger said in an earnings call in 2021, our business operates best when inflation is about 3% to 4%. a little bit of inflation is always good in our business. fortune has a thing called greedflation, created more than half of last year's inflation surge. more than half of inflation was just price gouging. why don't the biden folks talk about that? >> because it's -- honestly, because it's hard to pinpoint

exactly where price gouging is. i'm not saying it's not happening, but a, it's not illegal in most cases, and it's a tricky thing. because you know, it depends on what your initial fixed costs are. it's a tough one to make your ceo universe the villains. >> i would even say the problem is more basic than that. i remember before the last midterm elections talking to people about not only that there's so much inflation but that biden created it. i put up charts about everywhere in the world. let's take out turkey and venezuela. everywhere in europe had a higher inflation than america. how did biden create that? >> the best recovery than any developed aboutry coming out of covid. >> inflation was a real thing. if you're the president when it happens and when gas prices go up, you get the blame for it. this administration's actually handled this really, really well with these interest rates. a year ago, we were talking about a resuggestion. >> the business community should give the biden administration way more credit.

they like tax cuts and deregulation. >> they don't like dei. they're mad because they have to have diversity. we could have a whole other hour. velshi and ruhle. stephanie ruhle, ali velshi, i love it when you hang out. >> maybe the bosses will see it. >> give us cocktails and let us do our own version of the view. we could do it. >> congratulations on the book. >> fantastic. if you didn't see joy on the view today, she looked fantastic. >> all right, now we have to go to commercial break. u.s. forces strike ilawn backed militias in iraq. syria and yemen, as secretary blinken travels to the middle east in efforts aimed at securing a cease-fire in gaza. meet the traveling trio. each helping to protect their money with chase. wooo! tools that help protect.

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waves of american strikes against iranian-backed militants were carried out all weekend in the response to the killing of three u.s. service members. biden administration officials say there will be more air strikes in retaliation, starting friday and through the weekend. we have watched a deadly back and forth between u.s. forces and iranian-backed militants in at least three countries, iraq, syria, and yemen. and just overnight, a drone attack on a base housing u.s. troops in eastern syria killed six allied fighters. meanwhile, secretary of state antony blinken is in saudi arabia for his fifth trip to the region since the october 7th hamas attack. he's pushing for a deal that would see the release of hostages and a pause in the

fighting. which so far has killed more than 27,000 palestinians, according to the ministry of health in gaza. joining me now is akbar ahmed. senior correspondent for the huff post. always great to see you. let's talk about how blinken's mission is impacted by these air strikes. >> absolutely. thanks for having me, joy. secretary blinken is out here trying to say to officials the u.s. has a plan. we're getting back on track. we're going back towards stability. i think the series of strikes underscore why his mission is so difficult. we have seen now three u.s. service members killed last week. we saw two navy s.e.a.l.s killed in yemen. i think for secretary blinken as he's blinken, as he's talking to our israeli counterparts, it doesn't look like it's a u.s. plan. it's been months of strikes, and if anything, they would be escalated. and i think also for the biden administration at home, right, it's very important to remember the military's majority people

of color. they are in trouble there. young people are angry. people are saying president trump did not lead us into war, but it is debatable. but right now you're on the brink of a major -- >> yeah, and into that constant conversation comes someone who people have gotten to know, ben- gvir, one of the most caustic figures in this right-wing israeli government. he's the national security figure. he said trump would be better off for israel and president biden. he said instead of giving us full backing, biden is busy giving humanitarian aid and fuel to gaza, which goes to hamas. if trump was in power, u.s. conduct would be completely different. what do you make of that, apparently, that's a popular sentiment on the israeli right. but what do you make of him saying we prefer trump? >> i think that's telling, at least for their own relations, they might prefer president trump. i think it's a short sided view, right? if you are thinking about peace

and stability, president trump is someone who brought iran -- right and saw the rise of iranian-backed militias. this was not someone who make the majority of americans, or israelis, or people in the region safer. and that said, for extreme factions, and frankly, joy, for people who are functioning from analysis, president trump is very appealing. you don't have to go back to history. you don't have to to talk about human rights, international law. that's got a deal and whatever form that takes. and let the world safer -- >> and let's talk about for a moment of the implications of president biden's strategy. obviously, there's an economic reason for, you know, attacking the houthis. there is a concern that this could skyrocket prices if they are blockading the red sea and shipping that has to go through their. but in the minds of when you're talking with the soldiers inside the administration, what in their mind is the utility of these attacks inside syria and

iraq? because for a lot of americans, that just feels destabilizing and a trip backwards to the early 2000s that they don't want to take. >> it's a great point, join. president biden ran on ending forever wars, right? i think people in the administration are saying we don't want to be seen as sparking a new war, but it's a sort of a situation by the u.s. right now that has hammer, and we can only see nails. they're only thinking in terms of blunt instruments, and that's a product of president trump ripping up the iran nuclear deal. it's also a product of president biden not having a channel, not investing in diplomacy for the last three years, which makes it harder for the u.s. to have any dialogue here. >> and then talk about the implications of the icj court case. it was historic, south africa took israel to the icj. there's been a lot of civilian deaths, outrageous individual skill, et cetera, how does that impact the icj's deliberations? >> it's usually important, joy,

because what people don't miss about that ruling is there was a deadline sent. we are coming closer and closer to an israel has to submit a report to the court, which is a report that will give to south africa. and the evidence since that ruling came out has not shown that israel and the u.s. are backing what the court asked for. we have not seen an increase in humanitarian aid. we have seen continued besieging of gaza. we've seen continued civilian casualties. i think one stat comes out, and that report was released, we will see a lot more countries who have even more skepticism to what the biden administration, saying you promise to change, we took you to court and ordered the change. and still it hasn't hammered. >> and so valuable to have you on, akbar shahid ahmad, and really fantastic reporter. thank you so much for sharing some time with us. we really appreciate you. we'll be right back. s. we really appreciate you. we'll be right back. one of the millions suffering from pain caused by migraine, nurtec odt may help. it's the only medication that can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks.

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and now, some personal news, as the saying goes. my new book officially comes out tomorrow, that's right. medgar and myrlie, the love story that awakened america, will soon be in your little hands, a biography in celebration of civil rights pioneers medgar evers, as well as myrlie ever's extraordinary activism after her husband's assassination. my book tour officially launched today, so i had quite the fabulous busy morning, making appearances on morning joe, the tamron hall show, deadline: white house, along with have you, where i got to chat with a great will be goldberg who once played myrlie evers in the film ghost of the mississippi. >> tell us why we need to pay

attention to them as a family, and why now is the time for this book. >> well, the reason i wrote the book because i met myrlie every williams in person for the first time in 2018. and i think she talked about off camera was her love and how much she was still in love with medgar evers. and i just never heard the intensity of that love moved me. medgar was one of those three, and he rode with him into the delta. he did all of the things, all great civil rights leaders it. but he did it in mississippi, which is the most dangerous place in america to be black at that time. i think he's a great hero and he couldn't have done it without her love holding him down. >> stay tuned. i'll be back to talk about the book later tonight with the great lawrence o'donnell. special shout out to all the shows who had me on today. thank you. and for all the readers who love to read, thank you for your support. i'm really glad of this one, and i hope you love it. that is tonight "reidout"'s. "inside with jen psaki" starts now. ♪ ♪ ♪