right. it's going to be certainly a very expensive campaign, which makes sense to have a focus on fundraising, but we've seen a wave of some tough poll numbers, including the new nbc poll from over the weekend for this president. might be time to get out there a little more, to your point. msnbc political analyst juanita tolliver, thank you so much for joining us this morning. thanks to all of you for get getting up "way too early" on this tuesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. the house republicans have no answer here. they have no alternative bipartisan product. what they seem to want is just chaos. they want to keep the border unsolved as a problem so that it benefits them in the upcoming election. that's really cynical, but it is also pretty transparent. i don't know that they're smart enough to get away with it. >> the lead democratic negotiator in the bipartisan border deal calling out house

republicans who are refusing to take action on an issue they clapriority. >> and asked the question whether they're smart enough to get away with it, which i actually, you know, started thinking over the past couple days. you've got all of these republicans who are following this guy from louisiana, who just sort of stumbled into the speakership and doesn't seem to be that effective. this guy is now putting around the republican's political neck an open border for the next eight months and all that that brings, the collapse of ukraine, to former soviet kgb agent's invasion, and the refusal to fund israel in its time of need. so you have all of these republicans in the house, a lot of them who want to do the right thing but they're blindly

following this young, inexperienced speaker who is blindly following -- >> there you go. >> -- a guy with 91 counts against him. >> that's the important point right there. yes, it's speaker johnson voicing this, but he is a vessel for what donald trump wants and just carrying out orders. even by today's political standards, guys, yesterday was kind of a stunning day. you had people who had been on board, people who had worked on this legislation, this bipartisan legislation, talking about senate republicans here, not crazy maga trump senators, talking about mainline, conservative, traditional republicans, who all of a sudden are against this bill. they're against the toughest immigration security bill that's come along in a generation, by most republican accounts, by independent surveys, by groups who look at this stuff. they're getting what they asked for, and now that it's on their desk, they're turning it away. it really is stunning. >> to willie's -- >> they're doing it in an

election year. >> yeah. >> there's a cost. >> are they going to answer to that? >> there will be a cost. >> interesting debate. >> they will answer for this. >> to willie's point, minority leader mitch mcconnell was publicly supporting the bill yesterday. he had been. hours later, he would change message in a private meeting of senate republicans. we're going to go through that major development. and there are more partisan politics playing out on capitol hill with the gop-led house moving forward with efforts to impeach the homeland security secretary. >> so they want to -- >> good job, guys. >> -- impeach the homeland security director because of an open border, and at the same time, they're refusing to close the border. >> close it, yeah. good stuff going on there. >> think about it, fellas. >> taxpayer dollars at work. also ahead, we're going to go live to buckingham palace for the latest on the cancer diagnosis for king charles. this came as a surprise to the world. >> sure did.

>> a lot of people are waiting for more information on exactly what the diagnosis is. he had gone in for a simple procedure to deal with an enlarged prostate, and now a few weeks later, they're saying cancer. but they're not being specific as they were before, which is leading many to worry. >> right. along with joe, willie, and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire. pulitzer prize-winning columnist at "the washington post," eugene robinson is with us. congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post," jackie alemany is here. and senior columnist for "the daily beast," matt lewis. great group to start us off with as we discuss senate republicans now appearing poised to block the bipartisan border bill. what happened? during a special closed door meeting yesterday, mitch mcconnell gave the green light to oppose tomorrow's procedural vote to open the bill up for debate. according to a source familiar

with the meeting. afterwards, republicans in the meeting told reporters the conference needs more time to read through the 370-page package, joe, that has something for everybody in it. >> well, you know, if that left-wing hippie from that drug-addled state, oklahoma, had not brought it up -- >> you mean -- >> oh, wait, james langford brought it up. >> very conservative. >> congressman, now senator langford, one of the most conservative guys in the united states senate. which, of course, jackie alemany, makes their arguments about this being some left-wing bill all the more stupid. >> crazier. >> and ridiculous. please, jackie, tell us, what in the world is going on? why won't republicans take victory when it is handed to them on a silver platter?

>> yeah, joe and mika, this was a wild day on capitol hill in the upper chamber yesterday. as one person blindly told one of my colleagues, how could something be dead when it was never alive? that is the sentiment that is permeating all sides of the various idealogically aligned republicans in the senate right now who, in one way or the other, are trying to push off and kill this bill. ever since trump declared dead on truth social, you have seen support for this tank. of course, you know, this all -- this isn't all happening in a vacuum here. this is an election year, and the closer we get to november, the more and more we get into silly season on capitol hill. mitch mcconnell told senators behind closed doors that the mood had changed. that over the course of four months that negotiations on this

bipartisan package had started -- this was in november, toward the end of last year -- that the environment had changed. we had gotten, essentially, more explicitly, too close to november and there was no longer conditions to push this through, especially as you've heard speaker johnson, elise stefanik, and house gop leadership declare they're not even going to put this on the floor for a vote. there is a feeling that if it is not going to make it for a vote, you know, why would mcconnell put some of his senators in a bad position and force them to take what is a hard vote? now, it's really incumbent on democrats to message this properly and really communicate all of the contradictions we're seeing at play here. republicans, you know, banging the drum on border security in the legal immigration while refusing to push through a bill that the staunchly conservative border patrol union endorsed and would codify into law some of the strongest border security laws in modern history.

>> i mean, willie, the border security agents want it. it would mean more people down there to protect the border, to guard the border, to make arrests, to handle these claims. as joe biden has said, he's going to shut the border down if this bill goes through and there's a problem. he's going to shut the border down. you know, jackie talked about silly season. it is silly season. well, you know, over this entire year, this term for the u.s. house, it's been stupid season. this house has gotten less done than any other house this term in, i think, a generation. i'm guessing probably in our lifetimes. they've gotten next to nothing done. so what shocks me is these 15, 16, 17 republicans that are

sitting in biden seats, the fact they're just sitting back and saying, "okay, we'll leave the border open. we'll let the kremlin take over ukraine. we'll abandon israel in its time of need. yeah, we'll do that." i mean, willie, this -- actually, you know, we talk about gravity and how a lot of people are feeling gravity's pull now. it's like there was a time that they weren't feeling the gravity. now, they're paying a lot of money for people they defamed. well, there is a price for political negligence. everybody is focused on joe biden right now. let them focus on joe biden. this is going to be the story we're going to be telling in the fall, of a republican house that was lost and possibly a republican senate because they refused to close the border, they refused to fund our allies, they refused to do anything.

the do-nothing republicans did nothing this year, and it continues. >> frankly, in this piece of legislation that we just saw, and that the members of the house and the senate just saw for the first time on sunday, it goes much further than they could have even hoped for, certainly in prior years but even right now. i think some republicans were even surprised by what they got out of this. as you mentioned, the border patrol union very hawkish on the border, no fans necessarily of joe biden, came out and endorsed this bill. it makes our job easier and will help stop the crisis at the border, makes our officers' lives easier. "the wall street journal" editorial page this morning, joe, is effectively saying, not in so many words, how stupid are you guys? it's not going to get better than this. said the senate bill had reforms trump never came close to getting. take the bill, says "the wall street journal" editorial page. it looks like it is not going to happen. you mentioned james langford, conservative senator of oklahoma who has been running this

bipartisan negotiation. he spent the day yesterday fighting against his own colleagues, making the case for this bill. >> i'd also remind folks during the trump administration, we also had days of more than 4,000 people that were illegally crossing the border under the trump administration in 2019, and they were struggling because there's gaps and loopholes in the law. so this bill came out yesterday, sunday. the first procedural vote is wednesday, and that is literally open it up to be able to go through it and say, are we going to debate it this week? that's what we're talking about. he already said he is opposed to it. >> i have seen enough. this bill is even worse than we expected, and it won't come close to ending the catastrophe the democratic president. as the lead democrat said, if it reaches the house, it'll be dead on arrival. >> unfortunate he'd be able to say that right away before, obviously, he had a chance to be able to read it, as well, and go

through it. the key aspect of this, again, are we as republicans going to have press conferences and complain the border is bad and then intentionally leave it open? >> joe, senator langford calmly rebutting all the arguments that his own colleagues are making against this. in many cases, misrepresenting the text of the bill to make an argument against it. >> yeah. >> he's calmly correcting it. i think he's been surprised, and we can talk with jackie and others about this, that his colleagues who helped him get this together are now turning and going the other way in the service of donald trump. >> of course, you have the speaker of the house who claims that the bible guides him. claims that jesus, i guess, must have told him, i don't know -- i didn't read this part of the sermon on the mount -- but to gain power by lying, to gain power by pushing the big lie. liz cheney said he was the chief opponent of the big lie, didn't believe it, but said, i need to do this to get close to donald trump. so he's now going around lying,

"well, i've seen enough. this bill is too liberal." >> is that going to be his voice? >> what is his voice? >> okay. >> so he's done that. langford goes, "well, gee, would have been nice if you actually read the bill!" >> 370 pages. >> if you would have read the bill before saying that. again, i guess in his bible, god, i've heard about the jefferson bible, but the johnson bible, holy sh -- nickeys. tells you to lie to get into power. you admit you're a liar to get into power, to get close to donald trump, and now you're lying about a bill you haven't even read. guess who has read the bill. not that guy. not that guy. mar-a-lago tellings him to jump, ask he goes, "how high?" that guy hasn't read the bill. "the wall street journal"

editorial page, as willie said, they've read the bill, mikey. they don't care if mikey likes it or not. they've read the bill, and this is what they have to say, gene robinson. a bill worth passing. the senate bill has reforms trump never came close to getting.any honest reckoning, s "the wall street journal" editorial page, by any honest reckoning -- but that's something mike johnson wouldn't know anything about. by any honest -- honest is the word, mikey, look it up in your bible you've made up -- by any honest reckoning, this is the most restrictive migrant legislation in decades. previous immigration talks have involved trading security measures for legalizing more immigration. there is little of that in this

bill. this is almost entirely a border security bill, and its provisions include long-time gop priorities that the party restrictionists could never have passed only a few months ago. are you listening, mikey? just because donald tells you to jump doesn't mean that you have to put america's security at risk. because as "the journal" says, there are parts in this bill that, quote, "party restrictionists could have never passed a few months ago. if republicans reject this bill," "the wall street journal" editorial board says, "they'll hand the argument that they want chaos which democrats can exploit as a campaign issue. the chaos will continue for at least another year.

the chaos will continue." mike johnson to america, go to to hell. mike johnson to america, drop dead. mike johnson to israel, drop dead. mike johnson to ukraine, drop dead. another year. another year of fentanyl streaming across the border. another year of illegal immigrants streaming across the border. all because donald trump told mike johnson, the same donald trump who said he wanted a depression, he wanted americans' retirements destroyed, wanted their economy destroyed so he could get re-elected, donald trump is now telling mike johnson, "i want the border open for another year." what does that mean? this is not msnbc primetime. this is not "the new york times" editorial page.

this is the voice of the conservative movement. this is what "the wall street journal" editorial page is saying. "the chaos will continue for at least another year." because of you, mike johnson. because of you, donald trump. the fentanyl will flood across the border for another year because of you. because james langford has put together the most restrictive border security bill ever, ever. "the chaos will continue for at least another year. republicans may think they can write a better law if mr. trump wins in november, but don't count on it." gene robinson, as "the wall street journal" editorial page says, the bastion of conservatism, as it says in the subhead, "the senate bill has

reforms trump never came close to passing." mr. build that wall. >> oh. >> mr. put children in cages. mr. i'm the toughest president ever on illegal immigration. never, ever did donald trump come close to getting legislation this restrictive. and so restrictive that border security agents are begging republicans, please pass this. make our lives better. make our lives safer. make our jobs safer. please pass this. gene, they just won't. guess what? what a shock, mike johnson, the biggest promoter of the big lie in the house, mike johnson lying through his teeth about a bill he never even read. >> yeah, he hasn't read the

bill, but he's -- but it's dead on arrival. just a couple of thoughts. i mean, it is incredible that republicans are literally refusing to take yes for an answer, refusing to approve a -- this is not only the best offer they've ever had from democrats on the border, it's likely the best offer they're ever going to have. certainly for the foreseeable future. it is, you know, just brainless not to take it. but a couple of thoughts. politically, if there is anybody in the democratic party who remembers how to do politics in the biden campaign, from this point forward, if they kill this bill, republicans now own the border. they own everything that's going on on the border because they are the ones who are refusing to approve a measure that would

help, would allow the president to close the border, that would greatly ease the border crisis. so they should be made to own that in this election that's coming up. my second thought is, you know, there's more than the border in this package. there's the aid to ukraine. $60 billion of aid that ukraine desperately needs to continue its fight against vladimir putin. so you have to wonder, is the border and donald trump the motive for all these republicans, or are some, perhaps speaker johnson who has never voted for ukraine aid, who has always voted against it, you know, how many of these republicans are actually sitting, rooting for vladimir putin to win this war --

>> a lot. >> -- and see this as a measure to make that more likely? >> a lot. gene, gene, that's the shocking thing, a lot of them are. i mean, you had on fox news a couple years ago, like fox news' most popular host saying he hoped ukraine lost the war. he hoped russia won. like, you've been hearing this. republicans and the republican party, you look at polls, like, vladimir putin's approval rating is higher than joe biden's. it's really sick. it's gross, but that's the way it is. you're right, mike johnson has voted pro putin on every single ukraine aid bill. you may -- i hate to think it, but maybe you're right. maybe there's more to it than just the border. >> well, ukraine is in there. this is the opportunity, and

johnson's sort of counteroffer is a measure that has the israel aid or some of it, it's unclear exactly what is in there, but he's offering, well, the house can pass aid for israel. there's nothing from him about aid for ukraine. that's, like, a huge question that's out there. these are commitments that we have made. these are foreign and national security commitments that the united states government has made. the republicans intend to have the united states renege on that commitment to the grave peril, not just of ukraine, but of europe. ask the europeans about this question, and they'll tell you how important this ukraine aid is. >> yeah, vladimir putin is very pleased watching this play out on capitol hill. jonathan lemire, if you watched

yesterday play out, it's no secret where this opposition is coming from. donald trump was on tv saying this is a democrat bill. apparently, senator james langford is now a democratic plant. he said, "this is a bad bill for james langford's career," sounding like a mob boss, then the foot soldiers in congress go out and do it. they're saying, donald trump is against it, so we fall in line. >> langford has been reprimanded because he supports this. and donald trump has been supportive of ukraine. mitch mcconnell is talking about the need to pass this, and then he goes behind closed doors and says, the environment changed. well, donald trump's grip on the party has tightened that much. we know that it came as a surprise, senior white house aides i was texting with while

on this set yesterday morning were confident it'd pass the senate. they felt good about the senate. knew the house would be an uphill climb. schumer on our air yesterday said he believed it'd pass. now, trump said no. mitch mcconnell, another moment of not standing up to donald trump, has gone along with it. matt lewis, let's think about what happens next. you know, if this bill is indeed doomed this week, and it sure seems like it is not even getting out of the upper chamber now. forget about speaker johnson and, as an aside, president biden said he won't sign johnson's israel only bill. how can president biden change the narrative here? to this point, polls suggest immigration has been a good issue for reasons. we're seeing it right now. the republicans are killing a tough border measure. how can the democrats capitalize? >> right. look, i think, first of all, donald trump has pretty explicitly said he is killing this for political purposes. they've got the receipts. i mean, joe biden has the receipts. he has the facts.

and republicans for years have said, not just that they want to secure the border, but that they want to secure the border for security reasons, for national security reasons, right? rapists, as donald trump said, are flooding across the border, because terrorists might, fentanyl. so if you are putting politics -- if you'd rather have a policy victory over actually solving this policy issue, if you'd rather from politics over policy, that is, i think, you know, really morally indefensible. that's where republicans find themselves. i think democrats, if this happens, right, if republicans ultimately doom this bill, and it looks like they will, democrats have been handed a golden opportunity to then exploit, right? it's really hard to defend it if you're a republican. can they? i think, jonathan, to me, that is the question. i have no doubt that if bill clinton were president, let's say newt gingrich pulled a

maneuver like this and bill clinton was president. i have no doubt he could summon the rhetorical ability, barnstorm the country, punish republicans, make them pay, and even peel off some maybe conservative, rural voters who actually care about securing the border. i'm not as confident that joe biden could execute this sort of campaign, but it should be a layup, right? if republicans doom this bill, the facts are on biden's side. it's a matter of execution. >> jackie, as we mentioned at the top here, you've got republicans running away from the legislation they've asked for for a generation and turning for a solution to the border, instead, to the impeachment of the homeland security secsecret. made its way out of the rules committee. full vote in the house today. does it look like the house will impeach secretary mayorkas? >> it does, willie. there were a few undecided votes up in the air, but last night,

we caught a number of the members, people like congressman dan newhouse, who had yet to make a decision, told us last night that he had listened to the hearings, read some of the transcripts over the weekend, and decided he was going to vote against -- vote for impeaching mayorkas. there were a few other undecided people like david joyce. he also has been renascent in the pass to buck party lines. the numbers don't work out for democrats unless there are unexpected absences. we anticipate this will make it through the house. this is viewed as an easy no-brainer accountability measure, even by vulnerable republicans who are sitting in those purple biden districts, who are up for re-election. who are all in support of this and holding mayorkas accountable. it has become a rallying cry. at the end of the day, especially on a day like today, it's become a distraction measure away from their

opposition against a border bill, to make it look like republicans are at least in the house and up to something. but we should be very clear about this. this is completely a political stunt. there is very little support for this in the senate. it'll likely die in the senate. after today, i think it's going to continue to be panned by traditionally gop validaters, people like "the wall street journal" opinion pages, who have already come out against the impeachment of mayorkas. >> it's crazy, so you have, mika, a choice for the house right now. they can pass what "the wall street journal" page calls the most -- and they have a right. it's not like this is rocket science. it's not like you have to have degrees from the type of schools i went to to reach these conclusions. roll tide. go gators. but you look at this, and it's

obvious. this is the toughest, most restrictive border bill, which will shut down the border, stop the flow of fentanyl in, stop the flow of illegal immigrants in. they could do this, or they could do this worthless, like, political hack move of trying to -- trying for whatever reason to impeach mayorkas because he has an open border. when, in fact -- >> close it. >> -- they have a chance to close it. and you've got the men and women who are responsible for defending the border begging republicans, please, pass this bill. make our lives easier. make our jobs safer. and they're not going to do it. let me just say, again, i mean, this isn't really that tough. if you're sitting at home going, wait, but this doesn't -- how does somebody get away with this in a biden district if you're a

republican? they don't. if they're running against somebody who is -- i've just got to say, i would love, love to be running in a house race against somebody that's in a biden district that votes to impeach mayorkas and votes against a border security bill. oh, my lord. >> yeah. >> it would be like putting a big, fat softball on a tee, and getting a bat this big. >> all right. >> and swinging. you can't miss on this one. they're going to be sitting around afterwards when they lose, well, i guess i shouldn't have listened to mike johnson, or whatever they say, whatever accent they're going to use, oh, i guess -- whatever accent they have, they're going to say, "man, i was stupid. i gave up my political career listening to mike johnson and donald trump," who by that time will have lost for the eighth year in a row. >> i think -- >> whatever.

>> -- you raise a great question about mike johnson and, donald trump, and maybe members of congress feeding a direct line to putin at this point. there is no explanation for this. >> yeah. >> "the washington post"'s jackie alemany and senior columnist kwrt daily beast, matt lewis, thank you, both, for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," a live report from outside buckingham palace following the stunning news of king charles' cancer diagnosis. we'll take a look at the reaction from around london. plus, donald trump refused to take part in any republican primary debates, but now he wants to go toe to toe against president biden. >> wait, i don't get it. he is scared of debates but not scared of debates? is he a coward or not? >> we'll show you what they're both saying. and nikki haley is weighing in, as well. >> she is. also ahead, new york governor kathy hochul is our guest after calling for the deportation of several migrants who assaulted two nypd officers. we'll discuss her

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palace in london, nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter with the latest. molly, what more do we know about his diagnosis? >> reporter: mika, good to be with you from a very windy buckingham palace. the news broke last night just as british evening newscasts were coming on the air. in a statement, the important part is this is separate from what he was hospitalized for last week. he got out of the hospital last monday. we saw him walk out of the london clinic. pretty good spirits, waving to crowds. the statement says during the king's recent hospital procedure for benigned prostate enlargement, a separate issue of concern was noted. diagnostic tests identified a form of cancer. his magesty started treatment. he hopes he'll feel well enough to continue his state duties, and that'll mean constitutional du duties, including taking private and select meetings.

he'll continue to be available for state duies incluing paperwork throughout his treatment. all of that is relatively good news. he is positive about his treatment. this morning, actually, british prime minister sunak was speaking on the radio and suggested one of the reasons he may be feeling positive is they caught it early. >> obviously, like everyone else, shocked and sad and just all of our thoughts are with him and his family. you know, thankfully, this has been caught early and now everyone will be wishing him that he gets the treatment that he needs and makes a full recovery. i think that's what we're all hoping and praying for. and, i'm, of course, in regular contact with him and will continue to communicate with him as normal. >> reporter: well-wishes coming from the other side of the atlantic, as well. president biden tweeted last night. he said, navigating a cancer diagnosis, treatment, and survivorship takes hope and absolute courage. we will, of course, see the royal family rallying around the

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voters went to the polls in my home state of south carolina for the first official democratic primary, and president joe biden took 96% of the votes. 96.2%. 96.2% of the votes. that is very close to 100, which

is also joe's new campaign slogan. sure. >> welcome back at 43 past the hour. gene, your new piece for "the washington post" is entitled, "biden won the south carolina primary by 94 points. trump could never." you write in part, quote, "democrats in south carolina have helped catapult biden to the nomination and presidency in 2020 and did their best to repeat the trick. he won a near unanimous 96% of the vote in what was, after all, a contested primary. some national polls have shown anemic enthusiasm for biden's re-election within his own party, but voters here apparently did not get the memo. black voters cast roughly three-fourths of the early vote, according to the state democratic party. they make up only half the state's democratic electorate. there is no ironclad guarantee

that trump will win the primary in south carolina at all, though polling has shown him well ahead. nikki haley can look at saturday's turnout and hope some democrats stayed home so they can weaken trump by voting for her in the gop contest. when republicans hold their south carolina primary on february 24th, trump might well defeat haley in her home state. but to equal biden's victory margin, he would have to win by 94 points. so who exactly is dominating his party's race for the nomination?" >> gene, you know, that was the question. everybody freaked out after iowa, and you realized only 14% of republicans, republicans in iowa, only 14%. >> yeah. >> probably, what is that, 5% of the vote in iowa? they came out and voted for donald trump. the field was split, and everybody is freaking out like, you know, trump is this person who can't be beaten. he's winning with, like, 50%,

55% of the vote. >> yeah. >> like you said, biden, 94%. i've always said if obama were running in a democratic primary, he'd get 98% of the vote. >> really. i mean, look, i just think that if you get 96% of the vote and you beat your nearest competitor by 94 points, you ought to get some notice for that. in fact, you know, look, i was down in south carolina. it was a low turnout primary. most people thought there wasn't much suspense. nonetheless, he got 96% of the vote. if you looked into the numbers, you saw that all this stuff about, you know, from time to time, you know, african-americans are going to upend for this reason or that reason. they were represented in the people who turned out to vote,

and they were very enthusiastic about joe biden. they essentially were telling him, "we got this, mr. president." so it was by any measure, as far as i can see, a very good day for joe biden. i think that needs to be acknowledged. it was not a good day for dean phillips or marianne williamson, who finished with about 2% each. again, they were running in south carolina. the question of whether democrats at least in that state really want to look at an alternative to president biden as the democratic candidate has been answered. >> yes, it has. >> again, willie, the thing -- again, the number that we're not looking at right now, and i know people are looking at polls, democrats, there might be democrats going, i'm not going to vote for biden. i don't know who i'm going to vote for, laying back. those voters come home. we say it every four years.

i'll say it again, especially if donald trump is the republican. those democratic voters come home. the question s do the one-third of republicans who say they'll never vote for donald trump, do they come home to donald trump? the answer, we saw in 2020, is no, not all of them. a lot of them don't believe that donald trump's republican party is their home. they believe ronald reagan, george bush, and mitt romney and john mccain's republican party is their home. >> as our friend jim messina says, the best way to predict how people will vote is to watch how they vote. now, we've seen some voting. we saw it happen, instead of all these polls and going back and forth to which one to believe and which not to believe, we saw how they voted in south carolina. as you and gene said, a massive number, not huge turnout but a massive number for president biden. we were talking yesterday about the nbc poll which had some

discouraging news, top to bottom, for president biden. comes on the heels of some other polls where he was doing better head-to-head with donald trump. hard to know where it settles out. at this moment, with, what, 8, 12, 10 months ahead of the election, how are they feeling at the white house right now? >> we can safely say the election is this year. >> yes. >> when -- >> quick math fails me there. >> yeah. so it is february, and the election is many, many months from now. you're right, the white house likes some of the polls they were seeing recently. the one over the weekend less so, you might imagine. there are some real warning signs there, including among independents. but largely, the white house feels pretty good about where they are. the economy is going to be a major issue, as we'll talk about in a moment. they're still not getting credit for the improvements there. but they have their own polling that shows that president biden is doing pretty well with independents. the swing voters who, you know, often decide these elections, that trump won in '16 and very much did not win in '20. there is no sign those voters

are going back to trump for 2024. the democrats feel good about them, so they recognize it is a base issue. right now, they candidly admit they have issues with their base, with voters of color, with progressives. the war in the middle east playing a big part in that. they have time to win them back. they can point to their accomplishments. there are two outside forces here. one, they believe this, like the last couple elections, will be, in part, decided by abortion rights and feel choice will drive voters back to donald trump. they also -- to joe biden. also, they feel like donald trump is going to be the name on the other side of the ticket, so there will be people who may not love joe biden but will vote for him again because they can't stomach the idea of going back to trump. >> can you imagine? i mean, i can imagine being a republican because i was a republican a good chunk of my adult life. but can you imagine being a republican right now and knowing what you're headed for? that's what shocks me about what

they're doing in the house. i'm going to have to say it again, donald trump lost in '17, '18, '19, '20, '21, '22, and '23. went out of his way to lose the united states senate for republicans. all republicans know this. they all hate him for it. yet, they're follow heing him off the cliff again. nobody trying to stand. mitch mcconnell not trying to stand as a check between donald trump and a political catastrophe for republicans. they're keeping the border open. "the wall street journal" says, they've chosen to keep the border open for another year by saying no to a border security bill that "the wall street journal" editorial page is saying, even the toughest border restrictionists could even dream of getting three months ago what they're getting now. yet, they're saying no.

in the time of crisis, when the crisis at the border is the worst that it's been, republicans are at the gates and they're keeping them pulled open, to keep the fentanyl flooding in, to keep the illegal immigrants flooding in. we saw what happened in new york city with just the flood of migrants coming into the united states, cities not being able to handle it. people along the border not being able to handle it. and we have a solution. we have a solution. mike johnson goes, "no, thank you." >> no, thank you. is that how he says it? >> no, thank you. the other issue is the economy. despite a robust jobs report and soaring stock market, president biden continues to face headwinds when it comes to convincing voters the u.s. economy is strong.

while the price of gasoline has dropped, groceries are still expensive. >> this is -- >> it is a big one. >> if there is one issue that stays there, i always remember, you know, my dad, in our family, my dad, of course, filled up all the gas tanks and went grocery shopping. >> yeah. >> george would give us a report when he came back. >> tell you about the economy. >> can you believe how much it costs? we'd hear it, you know, every saturday when he'd come. >> it's a great gauge. everybody buys groceries. >> it is a great gauge. according to pew research, 72% of americans say they're very concerned about the cost of food and consumer goods. our next guest is taking a look at what is driving those prices so high. joining us now, white house economics reporter for "the washington post," jeff stein. jeff, what is it? >> yeah, grocery prices are still climbing from when joe's dad bought them, incredible. >> yeah.

>> we've seen inflation come down from 9% to 3%, huge progress, but a bunch of idiosyncratic factors, including floods in california and the hurricane in florida and other international shocks, including the war in ukraine, have meant that even though some consumer prices for things like used cars and gasoline have fallen, grocery prices remain really sticky. they rose by 12% two years ago, which was the highest number in over four decades. they rose another 5% last year. this is the number one way that people say that inflation is still hurting them, far more than housing, far more than gas. as joe was saying, this is the critical economic issue, and there's no really easy option for the biden administration. they have approved the biggest expansion of food stamps in generations, and that has been huge for keeping, you know, the bottom 40 million or so people from facing a bigger spike in

food insecurity. but if you're right above that threshold in the lower middle and middle class, you're not seeing that benefit, and you're also being crushed by these huge increases. we've seen some price normalization, lettuce, eggs, tomatoes, apples, all those things have come in the right direction. the white house is eager to continue to see the progress, as some of the idiosyncratic supply chain factors play out. but the volatility of it is shocking to people. you know, i do my grocery shopping, and you see just things that seem inexplicable. that makes people feel, according to the democratic pollsters i talk to, like there is something wrong with the economy, something fundamentally broken or out of control that makes them feel a sense of instability, even if wages are up substantially. >> inflation is ticking down broadly in the country, which is a trend in the right direction for people who buy things, everyone in the country. what is it specifically, you mention the supply chain, what is it specifically about food prices that remain so stubborn? i was at the stop n shop

yesterday, and it remains staggering when you get the final number up there on the screen. it can't be real, but it is. is there hope that they can tick down here in the next few months? >> there's a lot of hope for the biden administration that the agriculture department is still projecting, basically, flat food inflation for this year. that is a really good sign if you are a democrat, that things will not continue to get worse. but really, we're in this era of climate-related agricultural industrial shocks that have really made this situation very, very volatile. you know, we had an avian flu outbreak. 80 million birds were affected. in florida, the hurricanes, the worst citrus output since the great depression last year. >> wow. >> while those individual things will normalize this year, we don't know what the current natural disasters in california or other global natural disasters could cause. we've also seen a bunch of nations institute export restrictions in the wake of the war in ukraine, when global

commodity rises rose, nations said, we'll keep our stuff here, which made sense for them but sort of reduced global supply. since these are global markets, we continue to see, you know, sunflower oil and other kind of important products that come from southeast asia, in particular, a lot of those nations are holding on to their product. that continues to suggest that we'll see this weird volatility through the year. >> all right. white house economics reporter for "the washington post," jeff stein, thank you so much for your reporting and insight this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," our next guest says, quote, congress looks like just another trump campaign arm. "vanity fair's" molly jong-fast joins us with her latest piece. plus, independent senator angus king will join the conversation on whether this deal is on brink of collapse. and we'll speak live with new york governor kathy hochul. "morning joe" will be right back. except when you add on an all new footlong sidekick. we're talking a $2 footlong churro.

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he's enjoying it, being in a great relationship, and being able to play great football, as well. it's been cool to watch and be able to be a little bit a part of. it's been a heck of a season, a heck of a run, and i'm glad that he's as happy as he is. >> icon, i get it. he's dating taylor swift. >> good to see her, and i'm glad she was enjoying the game. she has so much pressure. i mean, i mentioned to somebody, you know, since the queen passed away, she's probably one of the more famous women in the world, right? for her to be able to get away from that and just enjoy somebody else competing and putting on a show, i think that was special. she was all in. >> i think taylor swift has probably brought a lot of eyes to the nfl, little girls and her fan base in general. it's been positive for the nfl. >> can't put more pressure than i put on myself. the heart of a competitor.

she's brought new faces to the game, and it's been fun to experience that. >> she's unbelievable. she's rewriting the history books herself. i told her i'll hold up my bargain and come home with hardware, too. >> if it comes down to it, brock, and it's late in the fourth quarter, are you prepared to disappoint taylor swift? >> yes. >> say it again. >> yes, i'll leave it at that. >> she could write a song about it, never know. >> oh, my. >> unbelievable. >> opening night for the super bowl. >> wow. >> it was all about taylor. see, guys, i'm right. >> yes, of course, you're always right. >> who would have known who travis kelce is or any of those guys? >> oh, lord, here we go, willie. >> i know them. i didn't know who they were. >> what reporters, like, would be asking -- >> that's unbelievable. >> -- like, san francisco

players about taylor swift? >> i know. jonathan lemire is going to die on the hill of abolishing super bowl media day. >> get rid of it. >> that's his issue for 2024. look at this crowd of reporters. travis kelce's media availability at this event. looks like woodstock around his podium, shoulder to shoulder media from around the world, wanting to talk mostly about taylor swift. >> look, taylor swift is phenomenal. that was travis kelce saluting her wins at the grammys, saying he'd bring home his own hardware. can we play the game already? it is only, apparently, what is it, tuesday morning? it's only tuesday morning. i feel we've lived with this game a long time. i'm not blaming taylor swift. it's just the nfl -- >> better not. >> -- and the hype. taylor swift is great. the strength of her clout, joe and mika, is the japanese government has gone so far as to say they will ensure that she will be able to leave her concert in tokyo in time to make it to las vegas for the super bowl. >> yes. >> see? >> they were concerned she might postpone the show.

they said, we'll make sure she makes it. >> good. of course, we are expecting any time now kanye west criticizing the press reporting on this. >> right. >> for not asking for questions about beyonce. >> or jay-z. >> it happens, like, every 12, 13, 14 years. >> okay. >> taylor swift wins album of the year, and then somebody has to -- >> random. >> -- randomly attack her because she's not beyonce. i don't know. maybe we do an over/under on that. i do know this, though, this is going to be, willie, a great super bowl. i mean, you've got two great teams. the chiefs right now as good -- well, obviously as good as they've been all year. they were pretty bad throughout the middle part of the year. kelce, in particular, he was struggling this year. he was struggling, in part, because mahomes just didn't have a lot of options. rice, the last part of the year, really started to come through.

things began to open up. now, suddenly, the chiefs offense looks like the chiefs offense. man, i'm still -- i am still getting over what the chiefs did to the ravens in the championship game. what the chiefs defense did, i never, ever saw that coming. >> yeah, it was incredible. they held the likely mvp, lamar jackson, just shut him down. no one else has done that this year. you're right, the chiefs, for them, have sort of a rocky season. what's wrong with the chiefs, was the conversation midway through. then they just get right at the right time of the year. they get hot at the end. they win the games they have to. had to go on the road twice in the play offs for the first time during this run. now, you have patrick mahomes, if he win this is super bowl, he's at three. he's still a young guy. now, he's up to troy aikman with three super bowls if he wins. he's getting up into, you know -- now, we're talking about terry bradshaw and joe montana. tom brady still a long way off.

for a young quarterback, he is in rare territory. should be a great game. brock purdy is a great story, too. last pick in the draft a couple years ago. so cool in the big games. it should be fun. >> well, and a guy that also, jonathan lemire, people will be saying, oh, mvp, mvp, then brock purdy will have one bad week and they'll go, you know what, he's playing like he was the last guy drafted. you look at him. look at jared goff. those are the two quarterbacks that really, at the end of the day, would get a lot of respect and then absolutely no respect when the first thing went wrong. brock purdy, it's pretty shocking, he's kept a level head about him. i guess not so shocking because he's got such great values. he's such a steady guy. i mean steady. here's the great thing, you can be a steady guy, you can be a great point guard as quarterback when you have deebo to go to, when you have kittle, when you have -- i mean, the players they

have. of course, the real mvp in your backfield. >> yeah, and i do think if the niners win on sunday, christian mccaffrey is going to be heard from. it'd need to be a mccaffrey game. i think it'll be a low storing game. these are two good defenses, and both teams don't make a lot of explosive plays, like drive down the field. the game played from the death star there, as you saw. ominous looking stadium. there it is. at this point, you can't bet against the chiefs. they've reached the rarefied air of teams. we see them across sport, that you always assume they'd find a way to pull it out. mahomes this year has been more of a game manager, but he does it masterfully. you expect he'll do it again on sunday. joining the conversation, we have special correspondent at "vanity fair" and host of "the fast politics" podcast, molly jong-fast. and u.s. editor at "the financial times," ed luce is with us. >> either of you like to get in

and talk about the super bowl? feel free. >> i want to talk to ed about king charles. >> we do. yeah, let's start with king charles. what a shock. >> what are you hearing? >> probably nothing different than what you're hearing about this slightly mysterious diagnosis. you know, the guy has been on the throne for 18 months, having waited all his life, and now this bad luck hit. >> i know. >> you know, it is anything from something moderate and treatable to something metastatic and blood related. the palace have given information, but it's the kind of information that only begs for more information. i guess they're going to have to disclose more. >> yeah, you know, molly, you talked about become little more than a campaign arm for -- and, of course, our thoughts and prayers are with king charles.

molly, moving on to your piece. "the wall street journal" today would agree with you, and i'm sure there's not a lot of days "the wall street journal" editorial page might line up with your piece. what they're saying here is, republicans, donald trump could never have gotten this passed. >> yeah. >> you could have never gotten this bill passed three months ago. you will not get this bill passed in the future. they go on to say, by any honest reckoning, this is the most restrictive migrant bill in decades. >> yeah. >> if republicans reject this bill, they will hand democrats an argument that the gop wants border chaos, and they can exploit it as a campaign issue. now, here's the key line, molly. "the chaos," "the wall street journal" editorial page writes, "the chaos will continue for at

least another year." which means, mike johnson is saying to his house republicans, you know what? even though the border security union is begging us to pass this bill to make their lives safer, their jobs better, we're going to say no to it. we're going to, as "the wall street journal" editorial page said, make sure this situation doesn't get better for a year. we're going to let fentanyl flood across the border for another year. we're going to let illegal immigrants flood across the border for another year. we're going to have the kind of chaotic scenes that we saw in new york city last week with migrants, where city services can't keep up with the number of migrants and illegal immigrants coming into this country. they've decided we're not a legislative branch. we're just another arm, as you say, to donald trump's re-election campaign. >> yeah. i mean, this is wild stuff,

right? republicans said, we'll only aid ukraine if you give us a border bill. so then we have mitch mcconnell tasking james lankford. this is not some literal, right? i talked to chris murphy about this, and he was telling me, you know, that this is a very -- you know, this is a very conservative senator, james lankford. and kyrsten sinema. they sit down for three months, hash this out, and they get something that's very conservative. a lot of progressives are not happy with this bill, right? it's more money for enforcement. it is more money for judges and sending people back. i mean, it's a really -- it's really a conservative bill, but it is also the money that these border communities need. i mean, you talk to anyone who is covering the border, and they'll say, there's just not money for what they need. here it all is. then republicans are like, oh, trump says we can't do this. we're sorry. >> as we've been discussing this morning, this bill did pick up the endorsement yesterday of a labor union that backed donald

trump in both the 2016 and 2020 elections. despite trump's fierce opposition to this legislation, the national border patrol council, which represents 18,000 border patrol agents, came out yesterday in support of the bill's passage. in a statement, the group's president wrote, quote, "while not perfect, the border act of 2024 is a step in the right direction and is far better than the current status quo. this is why the council endorses this bill and hopes for its quick passage." last night, house speaker mike johnson dismissed that endorsement. >> the border patrol union has said -- come out and said the bill is better than the status quo. does that affect your thinking on this? >> well, i think it does have something to do with the pay structure that's in the bill. i understand that they're desperate for measures that will assist. >> speaker johnson dismissing the border patrol union, who said, please pass this to make our jobs easier and our agents safer. joining us now, nbc news

homeland security correspondent julia ainsley. good morning. what more can you tell us about this endorsement? >> well, willie, this is a group i've interviewed many of them before, who always stands on the more conservative side of border enforcement. they want more funding. they're always very alarmist about what's happening at the border. a lot of them have blamed biden administration policies for the high numbers. very often, the critic that we have in our pieces when we're trying to give you all of the voices that are talking about this conversation. so for them to endorse this bill carries a lot of weight here, especially if you think about judd and how close he was with trump in his election campaign in 2016. now, what they're saying does make a lot of sense. border patrol, under this bill, would have the authority to stop border crossings if they get to certain trigger points and to basically stop letting migrants in. now, that could mean a lot of things. it could mean chaos on the mexico side, but it'd give the

authority to reposition, bring more border agents in, and also have an expedited process for where people could either get asylum or find out they'll be deported, in a process that would take weeks or months, not years. some of the migrants i've seen crossing in the last few months are given court dates set five years into the future because there's over 2 million cases pending in immigration courts. the border patrol union likes the fact this is a speedier process because they think it'll deter more migrants from coming. right now, the people they're apprehending say they think they can stay here forever. >> julia, let's talk about the one claim that seems to have been the talking point latched onto by republicans critical of this bill. what they say is in the bill is not what's in the bill, but here's what they say. which is, it allows 5,000 migrants to cross illegally per day. it opens the floodgates. you hear it from steve scalise. we've heard it from former president trump, all the way up the chain in the republican party. they've seized on this detail as

some justification for opposing the legislation. what's the truth about that provision in this bill? >> well, the truth is that without this bill, we've seen days where 12,000 migrants have crossed. i've been there when that happens, willie. when those people cross, they're released with the court dates set way into the future, sometimes without court dates at all. this bill, 5,000 could cross before a trigger that would stop them from coming at all and keep them in mexico. but if they cross, they're not just here to stay. they're apprehended and quickly put on a pathway that would determine whether or not they get asylum, even a pathway for many that wouldn't include going before an immigration judge. they'd have the case adjudicated by an asylum officer. democrats are thinking it'd rob the migrants of due process. outsiders might think we're going to be allowing more migrants to cross than there currently is, but molly is right, without more resources,

whether from this bill or another, this is simply untenable. >> julia ainsley on this beat for us, thanks so much. molly, on this 5,000 question, at 5,000, it allows border agents to expel migrants. previously, they could say they were seeking asylum and go into the system. at 5,000, we turn people away. >> what's incredible about this bill, it was 19 pages. literally, trump's people, as soon as the text was released, started talking about it and saying stuff that wasn't necessarily true or was talking points that wasn't connected to what was in the 19 pages. you know, this is the sort of concerted effort online to kill this bill, and it's really worked. we thought it'd go up in the senate. now maybe there's talk that it won't. mike johnson had been saying even before the text of the bill was released that it was dead on arrival. i mean, this is a person with a

one vote majority, right? he has a one member majority. this is how he is behaving. >> what i don't understand, jonathan lemire, is how they follow this guy. and trump, i know trump is part of this, too. but a one vote majority, and you have, again, the border security union that supported trump in '16 and '20 saying, "we need to bill passed. we need the bill passed." then mike johnson is confronted with that last night, and what happens? he laughs. he mocks them. they were mocking the border agents, the border patrol agents, mocking them last night, after claiming that, oh, you know, for years, claiming that they were great defenders of border security and great protectors of the border patrol. now, the border patrol says, we

finally have a bill that will make the situation better. please pass it! you've got a speaker of the house that is mocking the border patrol. it's gross. >> yeah, trump would never miss an opportunity to pose with border patrol agents. i was on at least covering one trip to the border when he did that. he'd bring them to the white house, too. i think this is also another moment where it's more evidence that republicans are simply talking to themselves. it is an echo chamber. it is a smaller and smaller piece of the electorate. this has been a talking point, that the biden administration is bad on the border, we have to impeach mayorkas, and it'll be a win in november. maybe that plays well on fox news and other right-wing outlets, but the broader electorate, who we know per polling, ed lice, wants actual solutions here. there is a risk it could backfire. weigh in on that if you will. first of all, this is a do-nothing congress, as you've chronicled, but it's also one

where, to this point, the legislation has been pro republican in recent years, but that could change and this could backfire. >> i think it is. this is a do-harm congress. not just a do-nothing congress. it is a do-harm congress. i'm absolutely sure if the american people are fully informed about who is to blame for keeping the border open, for the fentanyl continuing to flood in, et cetera, and for pulling the plug on ukraine, if they are fully informed about this, they will place the blame where the blame deserves to be placed, with the republican party. but this does require, you know, as we saw with harry s. truman in 1948 with the do-nothing congress, it requires president biden, you know, to really spell it out day after day. because there is no plan b here. there are no powers he can suddenly find to enforce the provisions that won't be passed, that are in this bill.

there are no hidden billions that he can send to ukraine. it's worth emphasizing that in the last few days, europe, the european union, passed 50 billion euros for ukraine. the u.s. congress isn't going to pass a single cent. that's not the playbook we had in our head. the playbook we had was that europe doesn't step up, america does. munition is running out in ukraine. ukrainian soldiers are dying because they're running out of ammunition. ukrainian cities are losing the defense missiles that have protected them from incoming russian missiles targeted at civilians. there are actual deaths on the ground happening that wouldn't otherwise be happening if congress, this do-harm congress, had been doing its job. so this needs to be emphasized again and again and again. who is to blame here? >> yeah. what's so shameful --

>> putin connection. >> -- about what the house republicans are doing, and ed is so right, mika. this is not a do-nothing congress. this is a do-harm congress. donald trump is not a do-nothing president. he is not talking about doing nothing. he is talking about doing harm when he talks about wanting the border to stay open for another year. when he talks about wanting the economy to crash. when he talks about wanting to take american's health care away from them. he says this. when he talks about how he's proud that he terminated a woman's right to choose, a 50-year right to choose that 70% of americans did not want overturned. when he tals about assassinations and wanting to assassinate generals who are disloyal. >> immunity. >> talks about wanting to jail people that run media companies. when he talks about how he can

order s.e.a.l. team six to execute political opponents and nothing should happen to him. and donald trump talks about rapists coming across the border. bad news for donald trump. a judge in new york state said that what you did to e. jean carroll, defined in just about every way, was rape. so here's a guy talking, it's like what heilemann says. what donald trump says is either confession or projection. here, it's projection. but this do-harm congress, ed, you're so right, for years, donald trump has been yapping about how europe doesn't pay its fair share. republicans have said, we have to carry the weight of the world. that's something republicans have been saying for 80 years. why do we have to carry the weight of the world?

you know, there's always been this taft strain in the party. they're especially contemptuous of europe. here's europe. they've stepped up. because you and i both know it doesn't end with ukraine. why is putin in ukraine? putin is in ukraine because in 2008, we let him walk into georgia. in 2014, we let him walk into ukraine. when he walked into ukraine in 2014, it was republicans that were complaining that the obama administration wouldn't provide weapons to ukraine. so here we are in 2024, for political purposes only, and you have vladimir putin and the russian military actually on their heels until the last three or four months when republicans in the house have decided they're going to abandon ukraine and allow an ex-kgb agent to go

all the way to kyiv. not do-nothing. they are a do-harm congress, whether it's the border, whether it's ukraine, whether it's israel. and this is what you argue in your latest piece. "a biden win would be no miracle cure." you write in part this, "biden win would mean america lives to fight another day. there is no guarantee that it would win the day. for what it is worth, i think the odds of that are better than what the bookies are offering. trump is entering a world of judicial hell. each finding against him by an allegedly biased judiciary binds the maga base closer. yet they also instill further doubt about him in the minds of independents. this is good news for biden in the short term. however, it could make governing even harder since the republican party is now too deeply invested in trumpism to back away."

>> yeah, "where the anti-trump forces err is in thinking his defeat would be a sufficient as well as a necessary condition to restore american stability. it will probably take more than that." ed, a lot of damage has been done across the board in our system. it's not working as well. >> it's not. i mean, there are people, colleagues of mine, friends of mine, people from all over the world, asking me to explain what's going on here. it's very, very hard for people to understand how such repeated acts of self-harm could be undertaken by congress. jonathan asked me earlier, it's obvious that the american people are going to, you know, punish republicans for this. i think the premise of his question is right. if the american people understand who is to blame. i don't know, you know, whether

there is anybody in the maga base who is going to even give a damn if they're told what's going on. i suspect anything that's bad for biden, even if it means senator mike johnson being woken up by the lord at 2:00 a.m., which apparently happens regularly, and is told, "your job is to help a war criminal in moscow take over a young, independent democracy and menace our democratic allies in europe and the united states, that's your job," straight from the lord. that's quite hard to interpret to people around the world and people around america, as to what possible, lofty motive could be involved here. this is just a congress of, what, a republican congress of cowards, fools, and fanatics. i wish there were a more subtle way of putting this, but you've got to speak the truth.

>> what i don't understand, molly, is that i know there are people in there, like chairman mccaul, who understands firsthand the importance of ukraine getting the funding. i mean, it was chairman mccaul and a lot of republicans who were actually critical of joe biden for not being tough enough, for not sending jets soon enough, for not sending other weapon systems fast enough. there has been that strain of republicans for some time. are they really going to sit back and allow vladimir putin to conquer kyiv and all of ukraine? >> yeah. i think donald trump has complete control over this republican party, and we probably should not be surprised. i would say one thing, which is, the reason we're talking about the border is because the economy is getting better. trump knows that the border is

all he has to run on. that is why he said, you know, we can't pass the bill. he told the senate. i think that's a really important data point. he really is just thinking about trying to win in '24. >> "vanity fair's" molly jong-fast and international editor at "the financial times," ed luce. thank you, both, for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," new york's governor kathy hochul says republicans in her state have taken no action to solve the migrant crisis. she joins us next to discuss that and her administration's approach to crime and safety. following an assault on nypd officers by a group of migrants. also ahead, nevada is holding both a republican primary and caucuses this week. to make matters more complicated, donald trump and nikki haley won't appear on the same ballot. nbc's vaughn hillyard will join

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have been let loose, i have a big disagreement with. a number of them, we think, went on a bus. they were freed because no bail was posted. i worked hard to change the bail laws in new york state. those crimes were bail eligible. they had a right to be held. you know, the district attorneys may be bringing new charges, but it's frustrating. it never should have happened. you don't put a hand on a police officer anybody in the state of new york and get away with it. >> yeah, so did the system break down? what happened here? >> you can ask the district attorney. however, what i have told by him and his office is that they were not clear on actually who the perpetrators were. it was kind of a chaotic situation, maybe six to eight people involved. they wanted to make sure they had the right person. but you can hold these people while you're still investigating. you don't let them out. so you ask for bail. a judge grants it. then you hold people until you

figure out exactly what happened. all we know is they were new york city police officers beaten on the ground by migrants. that's not acceptable anywhere. >> right. and if they are able to track down these perpetrators, you say they should be deported immediately? >> no, not immediately. i want them to go through the justice system. i want them to be prosecuted. i want them convicted. i want them to do time in jail, and then we deport them. because if we send them back to their home country, who knows whether there'll ever be consequences for this act. they're one of the 100 crimes where we can coordinate with immigration services and have them deported. >> governor, good morning. as you say, you've been working on bail reform for a couple of years now. you have sort of a broad view of this. what is your sense of where the hole in the system is right now? a judge would say, well, i don't have enough discretion to make

these choices about whether to hold offenders for bail. the d.a. sometimes didn't even ask for bail. the cops, meanwhile, are on the end of this. people walking up and punching them in the face on times square saturday night because they think they can operate with impunity. where is the hole in the system as you've studied snit. >> well, there was a hole in the system. the bail laws changed under my predecessor allowed -- took away the discretion that judges at one time had to say, you know, this person has a history. this person is likely to do it again. this person's crime was so serious, we don't want them back out on the streets. that law was changed. i inherited that, and i spent the last two budgets, holding up the budget one month late last year, to get the changes and give the judges back the discretion that had been taken away. where the gap is now, we need more arrests. we need more prosecutions. and we need district attorneys

to ask for bail in bail-eligible cases. there are many, including hate crimes, crimes like this. the judges ultimately have the discretion. we're asking -- we see -- let me explain. we see a disparity in how this is applied across the state. recidivism is now down as a result of these changes, but we see different judges, different views, i suppose, on how this should be applied, upstate versus down state. the law is correct. the law gives them the power to make sure that people who will commit crimes again aren't put back on the streets. like the shoplifting going on in new york city, i want judges to hold people and find out if there has been a history, a pattern here. they should not be back out on the streets terrorizing neighborhoods or sweeping the shelves and making these poor businesses have to shut down and leaving a neighborhood without a pharmacy or place to buy their diapers. it's just wrong. we're coming at it hard. i'm putting more money for

district attorneys. i'm going to sit down with the legislature again this session and figure out how we can toughen the laws. bottom line is, we're not letting chaos reign in new york. we're going after retail theft, car thefts, and the property crimes. >> what is your message to new york city police officers, police officers across the state, but officers we talk to here who are, frankly, demoralized when they arrest someone, sometimes there is a fight involved, and they bring them in. sometimes they get assaulted themselves, and then they see them back down on the subway literally the next day and they arrest them again. or the fact they feel like criminals are operating with impunity because they feel like, hey, if i assault a cop, i'm going to have to stand before a judge for a couple hours, but then i'm back out on the street. what do you say to the officers of the new york city police department? >> i tell them, don't give up. we are changing the whole culture in our city. we're taking our streets back. we are not allowing criminals to

get away with impunity. we support or law enforcement. we absolutely support them. we want them to have the resources to do their jobs, which is a huge part of the money i'm putting in the budget. when you talk about the $700 million, that's for district attorneys. that's for local law enforcement. i want to make sure they have the tools they need to keep our citizens safe and not be demoralized. we support our law enforcement. we want to make sure they have what they need. when a situation occurs that is so disgusting, what happened to those officers in times square, we stand up and say that was wrong. we'll catch them and let them sit in jail. i want them to know we have their backs. >> you and some of your gubernatorial colleagues have expressed concern about the situation at is southern border letting migrants in. the mayor of new york city has been doing the same. it seems this bipartisan deal in washington is doomed to fail. it may not get out of the senate because republicans turned on it.

what is your reaction to that? >> well, i'm not surprised, but here's the bottom line. i used to help start a flower shop with my mom. i used to work there with her. a sign said, "if you break it, you own it." republicans are breaking the deal. now, they'll own it. they're going on defense, and we'll go on offense. guess what? there was a solution sitting right in front of you. it was gift wrapped. you could have taken it. you could have helped solve this problem. i guarantee, republican governors on the border wanted this to happen. it's not just -- you weren't just trying to help a place like new york which has 172,000 migrants right now. this was to help all of america be safer, to stop the flow of fentanyl from coming in, to stop some bad actors. i don't know they're not coming in on the southern border, but republicans don't care. all they want to make sure is they create the chaos, blame democrats, and make sure that

their favorite person, donald trump, who they take orders from, even still when he's out of power, which is frightening, that he's restored to power. that's all they care about. if he won't change the status quo, you now own it. i'll make sure as the governor of the state of new york and leader of the democratic party here, i have six battleground districts. the republicans running in those biden districts are going to wear this. i've already put them on notice. i said yesterday, i called every one of them and said, "the ten of you have the power to band together and demand this change happen in the house of representatives. if you don't, you now own this problem." >> governor, one of the battleground districts, the third congressional district, polls are open there for a special election to replace congressman george santos. a seat that, a sort time ago, many felt that democrats were a sure thing to win. polls suggest it is tight with the border and migrants being an issue there. give us your take as to your level of concern as to what's

happening in the district. >> we'll win that seat. we'll win the seat. again, i won a special election in the state of new york, and it comes down to turnout. it's always a challenge. it's not a traditional election. that being said, what the republicans just did by refusing to bring this to the floor, mitch mcconnell going back on what he said he would do, and the house speaker saying it is dead on arrival, those republicans in our state, including in the third district running, just signed a suicide pact together. they're going to be hung with this. now, this can be played against them in the waning days of this election. long island, it is the 13th of february. the dynamic changed dramatically. i want to know if tom suozzi's opponent -- and i support tom suozzi -- we don't know a think about her. this is like george santos all over again. what do we really know about

her? i don't think the voters of that district are going to be fooled again. when they realize that she had an opportunity at one of the fundraisers, when the republican establishment is coming in and raising money, and the donald trump maga crowd is raising money -- this is new york state, by the way -- raising money for a person who is anti-choice, has said she'll not support a woman's right to choice, if their going to help fund her, now she's got a party that walked away from a border deal, she's going to own that, too. >> you broke it, you bought it. democratic governor of new york, kathy hochul, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. we'll talk to you again very soon, we hope. >> thank you. all right. coming up, an update on the war in ukraine nearly two years since the russian invasion. we'll talk to independent senator angus king of maine about the future of funding for the war-torn country, now that the border deal, which includes

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i'd like to call for immediately debates. i'd like to debate him now because we should debate. we should debate for the good of the country. so i will officially on your show. >> mr. president, donald trump said he's ready to debate you right now. do you accept? [ laughter ] >> he's ready to debate you immediately, he says. >> immediately? >> will you debate him? >> if i were him, i'd want to debate me, too. he has nothing else to do. >> president biden responding to donald trump's claim he wants to debate now. nikki haley's team responding, calling on trump to, quote, man up and agree to debate her. haley's campaign also launched an online petition with a new website called "maketrumpdebate.com. jonathan, she made the joke on

"snl" the other night, why won't you debate me, donald trump? he's not going to debate nikki haley. he thinks he's moved past her. still a race to be decided in her home state before any of that happens. given the fact he didn't debate during primary season, is he going to show up for general election debates? is that different to him in some way? >> it is an open question. this came about because president biden declined to do the super bowl pregame show interview. his aides saying that's a day for football. people don't want politics. last year he said no because fox was hosting it. this year, it's cbs so it is a little different. as aides said, that used to be a feel-good, fun interview. make a prediction on the game and go from there. when the bill o'reilly and barack obama interview was critical and tense a few years ago, that tenor has changed. as far as this goes, trump in the past has said that as long as the debate commission was in charge of the debates, because he's accused them of being bias against him. of course, he's supplied no

evidence of that. but he won't parparticipation. they're still in charge, so at the moment, you'd think trump won't participate. president biden and his team said they would debate, mika, but they expect debates probably won't happen. they think trump will find some fault with it. despite what trump said yesterday and challenging the current president to a debate, there is a real chance we may be having a general election season without a debate, which wouldn't just be a stunning change but truly bad for democracy. i think we should all hope no matter what party you belong to, they work it out >> i this hi we should all -- no no matter, work it out and at least a couple of debates this fall. >> turn. to the war in europe, nearing two years of active combat. arin two years of a volodymr zelenskyy isctiv workit rally the troops, thanking them for destroying enemy targets and defend their home country. ukraine's fight against russia's invasion is grinding through the

third winter and supplies are running low. the institute for the study of war says delays and western security -- are compounding the shell shortage. joining us angus king of maine, a member of the armed services and intelligence committee. senator, if we could get support for ukraine in our congress, how quickly could we get supplies to them? >> could be a matter of weeks if we could get the bill through. >> this bill to support ukraine has been pending since october. the longer we fool around and don't get it done, it's a victory for vladimir putin. it also is not only we are not only emboldening, putin, xu xi, kim jong-un, undermiengt confidence of our allies. it would be a huge mistake for the country. >> so what do you make of the

republicans who are now turning -- changing their minds on this border bill that would, you know, shore up the border and provide aid for ukraine and israel? there are so many investigations going on in house republicans, impeachments going on and yet every move they are making here, if you look at the logic of it, seems to -- it seems to help vladimir putin. i am wondering, does it raise any questions in your mind what their intention are right now? >> well, talk about the border bill in a minute. i said on the floor the other night, a vote against aid for ukraine is a vote for vladimir putin. float out. you voted for putin because without this support i don't think zelenskyy and the ukrainians who have been incredibly brave -- they are the ones doing the dying here. they are asking us to send arms and ammunition and they are on

the front lines and it's unconscionable that the united states of america would walk away in this kind you have situation. >> senator, good morning. you make the case in your piece titled america must choose honor, for our audience, could you elaborate a little bit? there was so much across the board support for ukraine in the earliest weeks and months of its fight against russia and people are distracted, it wanes, republicans have said we have spent enough money, it's time to focus at home. what is the case for america's continued support for ukraine? >> the case starts with 1938 when hitler could have been stopped relatively easily. the french and british fooled around. they didn't support the people and hitler moved and then they thought in munich, well, we will

appease him, he will stop. the result was 55 million people dead. the history of dictators is, if you give them some land and they say that's all they want, they will keep going. the best argument is, the finns and swedes wanting to join nato. they were never interested for 70 years. in the last year, they applied for membership. why? they know russia and they know that this war would not stop with ukraine. the baltics, finland has a long border with russia. they know what's in for for them. that's why it's so important on the european set. the other piece is, and i examined generals and admirals and intelligence people on this, if we walk out of ukraine, what signal does that sent to xi jinping in his calculus about taiwan? well, the americans aren't going to stick. so i don't have to worry about that and it basically opens the

door to an invasion of taiwan. the other piece that i think is so dangerous here is allies. america has allies. china has customers. russia has north korea and iran, not much in the way of allies. we allies all over the world. this would destroy our credibility, japan, south korea would say can we count on north america, australia, european allies. to do this, to emmen dictators, undermine the confidence of our allies would haunt this country for generations. >> president biden has said it would mean america's word wasn't good any more. turning to matters at home. what we have seen this week in the senate. the remarkable about face yesterday among top republicans, including minority leader mcconnell against this bill suggesting the politics, moment of change, which means they have their cues from donald trump who

wants to keep the border alive for election year issues. what are you seeing on the border and what sort of faith can you have right now in the republicans keeping their word and getting anything done? >> well, you've got to remember how we got here. the republicans insisted last fall we are not going to talk about aid to ukraine without border security. it that was the argument. we are going to secure our own border and then talk about ukraine. they appointed a committee led by james langford who knows more about the border than anybody else on -- certainly on the republican side, probably in the whole senate. they negotiated the toughest border bill in 40 years that has been endorsed by the border patrol union, which endorsed donald trump in 2020, "the wall street journal" editorial board, they had this amazing strong very conservative border security bill which is what they asked for, and had the last two

or three days said, well, nevermind. and i woke up this morning sort of batting between disappointment and disbelief that they would require this and then say, oh, but it's not that important. and the people that are criticizing the bill, i venture to say very few have read it. people talk about 370 pages. there is a 19-page summary section by section you can read in about 15 minutes. so the people that are criticizing it who hasn't read it probably haven't read the summary. do they want to solve the border crisis or not? if they do, this is the best opportunity in years and may not come around again. and it looks like what's happening is, and this certainly is coming from mr. trump, they want the issue, not the solution. so they want the chaos at the border in order to hammer joe biden, hammer the democrats in

the fall. but right now i think the ball's in their court. they have got a great bill. listen, the border patrol unit isn't going to support something that is weak or ineffective. it was amazing when they came out for this bill yesterday and it was even more amazing when my republican colleagues started heading for the exits. i don't get it. well, i do get it. i guess i get the politics. boy, the policy is terrible. >> it is. and they will own this chaos. i am not sure they want to do that. independent senator angus king of maine, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. appreciate it. this morning we learned that country music icon toby keith passed away late last night after a three-year battle with stomach cancer. the news was announced early this morning on his website. the post reads that keith passed away surrounded by loved ones adding that he fought his fight with grace and courage.

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actually, you know, started thinking over the past couple of days, you've got all of these republicans who are following this guy from louisiana who just sort of stumibility into the speakership and doesn't seem to be that effective. this guy is now putting around the republicans' political neck an open border for the next eight months and all that that brings. the collapse of ukraine. to former soviet kgb agents invasion. and the refusal to find israel in its time of need. so you have all of these republicans in the house, a lot of them who want to do the right thing but they are blindly following this young inexperienced speaker who is blindly following a guy with 91 counts against him. >> that's the important point

right there. yes, it's speaker johnson voicing this, but he is a vessel for what donald trump wants. just carrying out orders. it was -- even by today's political standards, guys, yesterday was kind of a stunning day where you had people who had been onboard, people who worked on this legislation, this bipartisan legislation, talking about senate republicans here, not crazy maga trump senators, we're talking about main line traditional conservative republicans all of a sudden are against the bill, against the toughest immigration security bill that's come along in a generation by most republican accounts, by independent surveys, groups who look at this stuff. they are getting what they asked for. now that it's on their desk, they are turning it away. it is really stunning. >> yeah, and they are doing it in an election year. there is a cost. >> i know, they are going to answer to that? >> there will be a cost. >> interesting debate. >> they will answer for this. >> mitch mcconnell was publicly supporting the bill yesterday.

he had been. hours later, he would change message in a private meeting of senate republicans. we are going to go through that major development and there are more partisan politics playing out on capitol hill with gop-led house moving forward with efforts to impeach the homeland security -- >> so they want to impeach the homeland border -- the homeland security director because of an open border, and at the same time they are refusing to close the border. >> yeah. good stuff going on there. >> fellas -- >> yeah, taxpayer dollars at work. also ahead, we are going to go live to buckingham palace for latest on the cancer diagnosis for king charles. this came as a surprise to the world, and a lot of people are waiting for more information and exactly what that diagnosis is. he had gone in for a simple procedure to deal with an enlarged prostate.

a few weeks later they are saying cancer, but they are not being specific as they were before, which lead many to worry. along with joe, willie and me, the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire. pulitzer prize columnist at "the washington post" eugene robinson us with. congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post." matt lewis. great group to start you have. we discuss senate republicans appearing poised to block the bipartisan border women. what happened during a special closed-door meeting yesterday. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell gave the green light to oppose tomorrow's procedural vote to open the bill up for debate according to a source familiar with the meeting. afterwards republicans in the meeting told reporters the conference needs more time to read through the 370-page

package. package, joe, that has something for everybody in t. >> well, and, you know, if that left wing hippie from that drug addled state, oklahoma, had not brought it up -- >> you mean? >> oh, wait, james langford brought it up. >> yeah, very conservative. >> congressman. now senator langford. one of the most conservative guys in the united states senate. which, of course, jackie makes their arguments about this being some left wing bill. stupid and ridiculous. but, please, jackie, tell us what in the world is going on. why won't republicans take victory when it is handed to them on a silver plat center. >> yeah, joe, mika, a wild day on capitol hill in the upper chamber yesterday as one person blindly told one of my colleagues how could something be dead when it was never alive

and that is the sentiment permeating all sides of the various idealogically aligned republicans in the senate right now. in one way or the other, trying to push off and kill this bill. ever since trump declared dead on truth social, you have seen support for this tank. of course, you know, we -- this is all -- this isn't all happening in a vacuum here. this is an election year. the closer we get to november, the more and more we devolve into silly season on capitol hill. mitch mcconnell told senators behind closed doors last night that the mood changed, that over the course of four months that negotiations on this bipartisan package had started, this was in november towards the end of last year, that the environment had changed, that wet godden essentially more explicitly close to november and there was

no longer conditions to push this through, especially as you heard speaker johnson, elise stefanik and house leadership declare they are not going to put this on the floor for a vote. there is a feeling that if it's not going to make it for a vote, you know, why would mcconnell put some of his senators in a bad position and force them to take what's a hard vote. now it's really incumbent on democrats to message this properly and really communicate all of the contradictions we are seeing at play here. republicans, you know, banging the drum on border security and illegal immigration while refusing to push through a bill that the bus stop union endorsed and codify into law. so droj exist border security laws in modern history. >> i mean, willie, the border security agents want it. it would be more people down there to protect the border, guard the border, to make

arrests, to handle these claims. it would -- as joe biden has said, he's gonna shut the border down if this bill goes through. there is a problem, he is gonna shut the border down. and you know, jackie talked sully season. it is silly season. well, you know, over this entire year, this term for the u.s. house, it's been stupid season. this house has gotten less done than any other house this term, i think in a generation. i'm guessing probably in our lifetimes. they have got next to nothing done. so what shocks me is these 15, 16, 17 republicans that are sitting in biden seats. the fact that they are just sitting back saying, okay, we'll leave the border open. we'll let the kremlin take over ukraine.

we'll abandon israel in its time of need. yeah, we'll do that. i mean, willie, this actually, you know, we talk about gravity and how a lot of people are feeling dprafty's pull now. it's like there was a time that they weren't feeling the gravity. now they are paying a lot of money for people they defamed. well, there is a price for political negligence and everybody is focused on joe biden right now. threat them focus on joe biden. >> this is going to be the story we are going to be telling in the fall of a republican house that was lost and possibly a republican senate because they refused to close the border. they refused to find our allies. they refused to do anything. the do nothing republicans did nothing this year and it continues. >> in this legislation that we

saw, it goes much further than they could have hoped for. certainly in prior years, but even right now. i think some republicans we were surprised by what they got out of this. as you mentioned, the border patrol union very hawkish on the border. no fans necessarily of joe biden came out and endorsed this bill. it makes our job easier to help stop the crisis at the border, makes our officers' lives easier. "the wall street journal" editorial page this morning, joe, is saying not in so many words, how stupid are you guys? it's not going to get better than this. said the senate bill has reforms trump never came close to getting. take the bill, says "the wall street journal" editorial page. looks like it's not going to happen. james langford, conservative senator of oklahoma running this bipartisan negotiation, he spent the day yesterday fighting against his own colleagues making the case for this bill. >> remind folks during the trump

administration we had days of more than 4,000 people that were illegally crossing the border under the trump administration in 2019 and they were struggling because there is gaps and loopholes in the law. >> we have this bill came out yesterday, sunday. first procedural vote is wednesday. that vote is literally just open it up to be able to go through a it and say are we going to debate this week. that's what senator lee is talking about. there had he said he is opposed to it. >> this is worse than we expected. it won't come close to the border catastrophe the president created. under this legislation the border never closes. if this bill reaches the house it will be dead on arrival. your thoughts? >> yeah, unfortunately he would -- i didn't see that. obviously, he had a chance to read it as well and go through it. the key aspect again is are we as republicans going to have press conferences and complain the border is bad and then intentionally leave it open? >> so, joe, senator langford

calmly rebutting the arguments his colleagues are making against this, in many cases misrepresenting the text of the bill. he is calmly correcting it. i think he has been surprised. we can talk to others about this. how his republican colleagues who helped him get this together are turning on him and going the other way in the service of donald trump. >> well, and, of course, you have the speaker of the house, who claims that the bible guides him, claims that jesus, i guess, most have told him, i don't know, i didn't read this part of the sermon on the mount, to gain power by lying, to gain power by pushing the big lie. as liz cheney said he was the chief proponent of the big lie. he didn't belief it. i need this, to get close to donald trump. he is now going around lying. this bill is too liberal. >> is that going to be your voice? >> somewhat is his voice? >> okay. >> he has done that. gee, would have been nice if he

actually read the bill. >> it's 370 pages. >> but again i guess in his bible, god, i heard about the jefferson bible, but the johnson bible, holy schnikes, that must be some bible that tells you to lie about elections, tells you to lie to get into power, tells you to lie -- and you admit you are a liar to get into power, to get close to donald trump and now you are lying about a bill you haven't even read. well, guess who has read the bill? not that guy. not that guy. because mar-a-lago tells him to jump and he goes, ha-ha. so that guy hasn't read the bill. "the wall street journal" editorial page, as willie said, read the bill, mikey. they don't care if mikey likes it or not. they have read the bill. this is what they have to say, gene robinson.

unbelievable. a border security bill worth passing. the senate bill has reforms trump never came close to getting. by any honest reckoning, this -- says "the wall street journal," by any honest reckoning, but that's something mike johnson wouldn't know anything about. by any honest -- honest is the word, mikey. look up that in your bible that you've made up. by any honest reckoning. this is the most restrictive migrant legislation in decades. previous immigration talks have involved trading security measures for legalizing more immigration. there is little of that in this bill. this is almost entirely a border security bill and its provisions include long-time gop priorities that the party restrictionists

could never have passed only a few months ago. are you listening, mikey? just because donald tells you to jump doesn't mean that you have put america's security at risk. because as the journal says, there are parts in this bill that quote party restrictionists could never have passed a few months ago. if republicans reject this bill, they will hand democrats an argument that the gop wants border chaos they can explore as a campaign issue. the chaos will continue for at least another year. for mike johnson, to america, go to hell. mike johnson to america, drop dead.

mike johnson to israel, drop dead. mike johnso to ukraine, drop dead. another year. another year of fentanyl streaming across the border. another year of illegal immigrants stream ag cross the border. all because donald trump told mike johnson, the same donald trump who said he wanted a depression, he wanted americans retirements destroyed, wanted their economy destroyed so he could get re-elected. donald trump is telling mike johnson, i want the border open for another year. what does that mean? this is not msnbc primetime. this is not "the new york times" editorial page. this is a voice of the conservative movement, and this is what "the wall street journal" journal editorial page is saying. the chaos will continue for at

least another year. because of you, mike johnson. because you have, donald trump. the fentanyl will flood across the border for another year because of you. because james langford has put together the most restrictive border security bill ever. ever. the chaos will continue for at least another year. republicans may think they can write a better law if mr. trump wins in november, but don't count on it. gene robinson, as "the wall street journal" editorial page says, the bastion of conservatism as it says in the sub head, the senate bill has reforms trump never came close to passing. mr. build that wall.

mr. put children in cages. mr. i'm the toughest president ever on illegal immigration. never, ever did donald trump come close to getting legislation this restrictive and so restrictive that border security agents are begging republicans, please pass this. make our lives better. make our lives safer. make our jobs safer. please pass this. and, gene, they just won't. and guess what? what a shock. mike johnson, the biggest promoter of the big lie in the house, mike johnson lying through his teeth about a bill he never even read. >> yeah, he hasn't read the bill. but it's dead on arrival. and just a couple of thoughts. i mean, it is incredible that republicans are literally

refusing to take yes for an answer, refusing to approve a -- this is not only the best offer they have ever had from democrats on the border. it's likely the best offer they are ever going to have, certainly for the foreseeable future. and it is, you know, it's just brainless not to take it. but a couple of thoughts. politically, if there is anybody in the democratic party who remembers how to do politics in the biden campaign, from this point forward f they kill this bill, republicans now own the border. they own everything that's going on, on the border, because they are the ones who are refusing to approve a measure that would help -- allow the president to close the border, that would greatly ease the border crisis. so they should be made to own

that in this election that's coming up. my second thought is, you know, there is more than the border in this pack package. there is the aid to ukraine, $06 billion of aid that ukraine desperately needs to continue its fight against vladimir putin. and sow have to wonder, is the border and donald trump the motive for all of these republicans, or are some perhaps speaker johnson who has never voted for ukraine aid, who has always voted against it, you know, how many of these republicans are actually sitting, rooting for vladimir putin to win this war? >> a lot. >> and see this as a measure -- >> a lot. >> to make that more like. >> gene, gene, that's a shocking thing a lot of them are. i mean, you had on fox news a couple of years ago, fox news's

most popular host saying he hoped ukraine lost the war. he hoped russia won. >> he is there now. >> you have been hearing this. republicans -- and the republican party, you look at polls, like, vladimir putin -- i have seen polls where vladimir putin's approval rating is higher than joe biden's. it's really sick. it's really gross. but that's just the way it is. so you're right. mike johnson has voted pro-putin on every single ukraine aid women. you may -- so i think -- i hate to think it. but maybe you're right. maybe there is more to it than just the border. >> well, ukraine's in there, and this is the opportunity. and johnson's sort of counteroffer is a measure that has israel aid or some of it. it's unclear exactly what's in there.

but he is offering, well, the house can pass aid for israel, but there is nothing from him about aid for ukraine. and that's like a huge question that's out there. these are commitments that we have made. these are foreign -- this is an important national security commitment that the united states government has made and, you know, the republicans intend to have the united states renege on that commitment to the grave peril not just of ukraine, but of europe. and ask the europeans about this question and they'll tell you how important this ukraine aid is. >> yeah, putin is pleased watching this play out on capitol hill. jonathan lemire, if you watched yesterday play out, there is no secret. donald trump was on tv saying this is a democrat bill

apparently now senator langford is a democratic plant. he said it's bad for his career, a political mob boss and foot soldiers in congress carry out his orders and flip on something that a lot of them already supported and now we are saying a behind closed doors, donald trump is against it, fall in line. >> langford has been reprimanded by the republican party, state of oklahoma because he backed this, because donald trump opposes it. mitch mcconnell yesterday who has been a supporter of this bill, of aiding ukraine, just a few hours earlier, yesterday, he is on the senate floor talking about the need to pass this and then he does a whip count, behind closed doors, the environment changed. it changed because donald trump's grip on the party has tightened that much. and we know that it was a surprise, senior white house aides i was so texting with were confident. they felt god about the senate.

now donald trump said no. mitch mcconnell. not standing up to donald trump, has gone with it. what happens next? you know, if this bill is indeed doomed this week, sure seems like it's not getting out of the upper chamber now, forget about speaker johnson and president biden said he won't sign johnson's israel-only bill. that how can president biden change the narrative here because to this point polls suggest immigration's been a good issue for republicans. we are seeing it right now. the facts are the facts. it's the republicans killing a really tough border measure. how can the democrats capitalize? >> right, look, i mean, i think, first of all, donald trump is pretty explicitly said he is killing this for political purposes. so they've got the receipts. i mean, joe biden has the receipts, the facts. republicans for years said not just that know want to secure the border, they want to secure the border for security reasons. national security reasons,

right, because rapist donald trump sanctuary city said are flooding across the boar, terrorists might, because fentanyl. if you are putting politics, if you'd rather have a policy victory over actually solving this policy issue, if you'd rather have politics over policy that a morally indefensible -- that's where republicans find themselves. democrats, if this happens, right, if republicans ultimately doom this bill, and it looks like they will, democrats have been handed a golden opportunity to then exploit it, right. it's really hard to defend it if you're a republican. can they? i to me that is the question. look, i have no doubt if bill clinton were president, let's say newt gingrich pulled a maneuver like this and sort of bill clinton was president, i have no doubt he could summon the rhetorical ability, barnstorm the country, punish republicans, make them pay, and

even peel off some maybe conservative voters who actually care about securing the border. i'm not as confident that joe biden could execute this sort of campaign, but it should be a layup, right? if republicans doom this bill, the facts are on biden's side. it's a matter of execution. >> so, jackie, as we mentioned at the top here, you've got republicans running away from the legislation they have asked for, for a generation. turning for a solution to the boards instead to the impeachment of the homeland security secretary. full vote in the house today. does it look like the house is going to impeach secretary mayorkas? >> it does, willie. there were a few undecided votes up in the air. we caught a number of the peoples, congressman dan newhouse, who had yet to make a decision, told us last night he listened to the hearings, read the transcripts over the weekend and decided he was going to vote

against -- for impeach mayorkas. a few undecideled people, davids joyce, he also has ret september in the pass, bucked party line, yet it out out a statement, but end the day the numbers don't work out for democrats unless there are unexpected absences. so we anticipate this will make it through the house. this is sort of viewed adds an easy no-brainer accountability measure even by vulnerable republicans who are sitting in those purple biden districts up for re-election who are all in support of this and holding mayorkas accountable. it has become a rallying cry and at the end of the day it's become a distraction measure away from their opposition against a border bill to make it look like republicans are at least in the house up to something. but we should be clear about this. this is completely a political

stunt. there is very little support for this in the senate. it will likely die in the senate. and after today i think it's going to continue to be panned by traditionally gop validators, you know, people like "the wall street journal" opinion pages, who have already come out against the impeachment of midrange. >> coming up, an update from london after king charles was diagnosed with cancer. molly hunter has the latest from buckingham palace. that's next on "morning joe." atth's next on "morning joe.

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king charles has been diagnosed with cancer. buckingham palace made the announcement yesterday saying the king will pause his public events in an effort to minimize his in-person contacts while he undergoes treatment. he will, however, condition with state business. doctors discovered the cancer when king charles underwent a procedure last month for a benign enlarged prostate.

the palace says he does not have prostate cancer. joining us live buckingham palace in london, molly hunter with the latest. what more do we know about his diagnosis? >> reporter: good to be with you from a windy buckingham palace. the news broke last night just as british evening newscasts were coming on the air. in a statement you researched part of it, the important bit is this is separate for last week. he got out of the hospital last monday, we saw him walk out of the london clinic. good spirits, waving to clouds. the statement says during his hospital procedure, a separate issue of concern was noted. subsequent diagnostic tests identified a form of cancer. his majesty started out-patient treatment yesterday. not saying what kind of cancer or what kind of treatment. importantly, he clearly feels well, or at least he hopes he will feel well enough to continue his state duties and

that will mean constitutional duties, select meetings in private, his majority will continue to be available for state duties, undertaking official red box paperwork throughout his period of treatment. all of that is relatively good news. the statement says he is very positive about his treatment and this morning tully the british prime minister was speaking on the radio and suggested one of the reasons he may be feeling positive is they caught it early. take a listen to that and i'll talk you to on the back end. >> like everyone else, shocked and sad and just all our thoughts are with him and his family. you know, thankfully this has been caught early and now everyone will be wishing him that he gets the treatment that he needs and makes a full recovery. i think that's what we're hoping and praying for. i am, of course, in regular contact with him and will continue to communicate with him as normal. >> reporter: well wishes from the other side of the atlantic as well. president biden, tweeted last

night and a half gate ago cancer diagnosis treatment and survivor ship takes hope and absolute courage. we will see the royal family rallying around the 75-year-old monarch. prince harry is flying over to the u.k. and we will see a lot more of prince william. the harris stepping up, taking on matter of his father's duties. >> coming up, turning become to the presidential race where donald trump is all but guaranteed victory in nevada this week. it's a nomination process that nikki haley's campaign calls rigged. for the former president, vaughn hilliard. that's live in las vegas.

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that is very close to 100, which is also joe's new campaign slogan. [ cheers and applause ] >> oh, sure. >> welcome back. 43 past the hour. between, your new piece for "the washington post," biden won the south carolina primary by 94 points, trump could never. and you write in part, quote, democrats in south carolina have helped catapult biden to the nomination and the presidency in 2020, did their best to repeat the trick. he won a near unanimous 96% of the vote in what was, after all, a contested primary. some national polls have shown anemic enthusiasm for biden's re-election within his own party, but voters here apparently didn't get the memo. black voters cast roughly three-fourths of the early vote according to state democrat party, though, they make up half of the state's democratic

electorate. there is no ironclad guarantee that trump will win the primary in south carolina at all. the polling has shown him well ahead. nikki haley can look at saturday's turnout and hope that some democrats stay at home so they can weaken trump by voting for her in the gop contest. when republicans hold their south carolina primary on february 24th, trump might well defeat haley in her home state, but to equal biden's victory margin he would have to win by 94 points. so who exactly is dominating his party's race for the nomination? >> and, gene, you know, that was a question everybody freaked out after iowa. then you realize only 14% of republicans, republicans in iowa -- >> yeah urjts only 14% which is, i don't know, 5% the vote in iowa came out and voted for donald trump and the field was submit and everybody's raeb

freaking out like trump is a person that can't be beat nt. he is winning with, like, 50%, # 5% of the vote. >> yeah. >> like you said, 94% -- i always said, if obama were running in the democratic primary, he would get 98% of the vote. >> really. i mean, look, it just -- i just think that if you get 96% of the vote and you beat your nearest competitor by 94 points, you out to get some notice for that. and, in fact, you know, look, i was down in south carolina. it was a low turnout primary. most people thought there wasn't much suspense. nonetheless, he got 96% of the vote. and if you looked into the numbers, you saw that all of the stuff about, you know, african americans are gonna abandon biden for this reason or for that reason. african americans were overrepresented in terms of the people who came out to vote, and

they were very enthusiastic about joe biden and they essentially were telling him we got this, mr. president. so it was by any measure, as far as i could see, a very good day for joe biden, and i think that needs to be acknowledged. it was not a good day for dean phillips or mayor inland williamson who finished with about two% each. again, they were running in south carolina and the question of whether democrats at least in that state really want to look at an alternative to president biden as a democratic candidate has been answered. >> yes, it has. >> willie, the thing, again, the number that we're just not looking at right now, i know people are looking at polls and democrats and there might be a dot of democrats saying, i am not going to vote for biden, i don't know who i am going to

vote for, laying back, those voters come home, we say it every four years, i'm going to say it again, especially if donald trump is the republican, does democratic voters come home, the question is, do all those republican voters come home? do the one-third of republicans who say they will never vote for donald trump, do they come home to donald trump? the answer in 2020 was no, not all of them, because at love them don't believe that donald trump's republican party is their home. they believe ronald reagan, george bush, mitt romney and john mccain's republican party is their home. >> as our friend says, the best way to predict how people will vote is to watch how they vote. instead of these polls and going back and forth which to believe, we saw how they vote inside south carolina. a massive number. not a huge turn out.

a massive number for president biden. we are talking yesterday about the nbc poll which had some discouraging news top to bottom for president biden. comes on the heels of other polls where he was doing better head-to-head with donald trump. hard to know where it settles out. at this moment with ten months ahead of the election, how are they feeling at the white house right now? >> the election is this year. >> quick math failed me there. >> yes. i mean, first of all, the it is february. the election is many, many months from now. you're right. the white house likes some of the polls recently. the one over the weekend less so. there are warning signs there, including among independents. the economy is going to be major issue. we will talk about it in a moment. they are not getting credit for the improvements there. but they have their own polling that shows that president biden is doing pretty well with independents, those swing voters who, you know, often decide these elections, that trump won

in '16, didn't win in '20. there is no sign they are going back to trump for 2024. the democrats feel good about them. it is a base issue. right now they admit they have issues with voters of color, progressive, the war in the middle east playing part in that. they can point to their accomplishments and more than that, there are two outside forces here. one, they believe this like the last couple of elections will be in part decided by abortion rights. they feel like choice will drive voters back to donald trump. to joe biden. and they feel like because donald trump is going to be the name on the other side of the ticket, there will be people who may not love joe biden but will vote for him again because they can't stomach the idea of going back to trump. coming up, why republicans won't take yes for an answer. the atlantic weighs in on the gop's rejection of a border security plan. "morning joe" is back in a moment. joe" is back in a moment

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florida and international shocks like the war in ukraine, grocery prices rose by 12%, which was the highest number in over four decades. they rose by 5% last year. this is the number one way people say that inflation is still hurting them, far more than housing, far more than gas. this is the critical economic issue. there's no easy option for the biden administration. they have approved the biggest expansion of food stamps in generations. that has been huge for keeping the bottom 40 million or so people from really facing a much bigger spike in food insecurity. if you're right above that threshold, you're not seeing that benefit, and you're also being crushed by these huge increases. we've seen some price normalization, lettuce, eggs,

apples. the white house is eager to see that progress as some of these supply chain factors play out. the volatility of it is shocking to people. you see things that seem inexplicable. that makes people feel like there's something wrong with the economy, something fundamentally broken or out of control. >> if inflation is ticking down -- and it is broadly in this country -- what is it specifically? you mention the supply chain. what is it specifically about food prices that remains so stubborn? it remains staggering when you get that final number up there on the screen. is there hope that they can tick down in the next months? >> there's a lot of hope for the biden administration that the agriculture department is still projecting basically flat food

inflation for this year. that's a good sign if you're a democrat that things will not continue to get worse. really, we're in this area of climate-related agriculture industrial shocks that have made this situation very volatile. we had an avian flu outbreak. 80 million birds were affected in florida because of the hurricane. we had the worst citrus output since the great depression last year. we don't know what the current natural disasters in california or other global natural disasters could cause. we've also seen a bunch of nations institute export restrictions in the wake of the war in ukraine. when global commodity prices rose, a lot of nations said we're going to keep our stuff there. we continue to see sunflower oil and other kind of important products from southeast asia in

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plus, former president trump is poised to bank more delegates this week in his bid for the republican nomination. >> i'm looking forward to that debate, because i know he's not scared to debate a woman. there's no way. is he that weak? >> when voters in nevada cast their ballots, nbc's vaughn hillyard is live in las vegas straight ahead. and the major about-face from a number of senate republicans that has just put the border bill in even greater jeopardy. in california, 33 million people are under flood alerts as severe storms continue to slam the state. liz croix is live in los angeles. >> reporter: it is still raining in l.a. we are in the beverly glenn

neighborhood neither beverly hills. you can see this home was pushed off its foundation from a mudslide that came crashing down onto this road. contents of the home are everywhere. neighbors tell us it was terrifying. they woke up in the middle of the night to a big boom. they say it's incredible that everybody got out safe. this morning, california still dealing with damage from the powerful atmospheric river battering the state. >> the mud came down and broke through the windows. >> reporter: the storm flooding streets and causing devastating mudslides, threatening property and lives. from the hollywood hills -- >> through the back of the house, through the garage, pushed down to the street. >> reporter: -- to beverly hills, where mud practically swallowed this entire suv. drone footage showing severe damage to homes in encino, this one nearly falling off the

cliff. first responders carrying out swift-water rescues to save people and pets, some families forced to evacuate on foot. >> this has never happened. >> reporter: you can see the power of this water here. it looks like the contents of someone's garage got swept away. the storm impacting nearly the entire state. in northern california, three people have now died from fallen trees. high winds in santa cruz whipped the sea into a froth, the storm setting records for rainfall, with 10 inches falling in 24 hours at ucla. this family was forced to climb into a tree after their vehicle was trapped. and police rescued a man who jumped into the rushing waters to save his dog. thankfully, both the dog and the owner survived.

luckily nobody was inside this home when it collapsed. the threat is not over. the soil here is so sasaturated there's still concerns of mudslides and downed trees. >> stunning images. liz kroits live in los angeles, thank you so much. now to capitol hill, where senate republicans appear poised to block the bipartisan border bill. senator mitch mcconnell gave the green light for members to oppose tomorrow's key vote. ryan nobles has the latest. >> reporter: republicans and democrats both raising considers concerns about the 118 national security package to the point where the bill's future is in serious doubt. >> this bill does not meet the criteria.

>> reporter: for republicans, the bill does not do enough to address the border crisis. >> you have given us a product that quite frankly is offensive to the american people and unacceptable. >>reporter: but the democrat who led the negotiations, senator chris murphy, says the concerns are not related to the policy, but instead the politics of an election year. >> what they seem to want is just chaos. they want to keep the border unsolved as a problem so that it benefits them in the upcoming election. >> reporter: trump slamming the bill again overnight. >> this is a democrat trap. it would be so stupid, so foolish to sign a bill like this. >> reporter: if the bill stalls, it will mean there will be no path towards changing the situation on the border. >> to us, it's not a red and blue issue. it's about the gold in our badges. >> reporter: the growing problem

part of the reason senator james lankford wrote the bill. >> it's a national security crisis, and we should treat it that way. >> reporter: while the house has called the bill dead on arrival, they are moving forward with a plan to impeach homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. >> donald trump said passing the bill would be stupid. actually, what's stupid according to the "wall street journal" editorial page and actual conservatives like james lankford, what's stupid is allowing the border to stay open, impeaching mayorkas for an open border and refusing to pass

bipartisan legislation that shuts the border down. you don't have to believe me. check what i've said since 1995. i'm consistent on the border. i don't think the first thing somebody should do when they come into america is break the law. i think we should have equity in our immigration policy. i love immigrants in america, just like ronald reagan did. i love them legal and i love them from all over the world. so a strong southern border has always been critically important to me. that's why i agree with the "wall street journal" editorial page. donald trump is talking about this bill being stupid. he's a liar. it's not stupid. he knows actually it's the smart thing to do.

it's the right thing to do. it's right for america. and he knows it. that's why he doesn't want it to pass. that's why he's told lou dobbs he wants the economy to crash. he wants joe biden to live through a great depression. he wants americans' retirements to be shattered, destroyed economically for his benefit politically. and he wants the southern border to stay open for another year for his political benefit. this is what the "wall street journal" editorial page says. a border security bill worth passing. all those republicans like mike johnson, it doesn't meet the criteria. yeah, it actually does, mikey. it meets all the criteria, and you know it. you were the biggest promoter on capitol hill of the big lie.

liz cheney got that right. and now a smaller lie, which is, that this border security bill doesn't secure the border. actually he's getting late-night phone calls from donald trump and he says, yes, sir. the "wall street journal" editorial page says, a border security bill worth passing by any honest reckoning. honest is a word that donald trump and mike johnson know nothing about. this is the most restrictive migrant legislation in decades, the "wall street journal" says. anybody that wants to lie about this bill on fox news today, anybody who wants to lie about this bill on newsmax today and

across the internet, anybody who wants to lie about this bill, you got a problem. the "wall street journal" editorial page says, by any honest reckoning, this is the most restrictive migrant legislation in decades. this is almost entirely a border security bill. its provisions include longtime gop priorities that the party's restrictionists could never have passed only a few months ago, so sayeth the "wall street journal" editorial page. if republicans reject this bill, they will hand democrats an argument that the gop wants border chaos that they can exploit as a campaign issue. the key line here, the chaos will continue for at least another year if this bill doesn't pass. republicans may think they can

write a better law if mr. trump wins in november, but don't count on it. the senate bill has reforms, the "wall street journal" says, trump never came close to getting. jonathan lemire, trump never came close to getting this restrictive of a border security bill even when republicans ran the white house, ran the house of representatives and ran the united states senate in 2017 and 2018. even then, there was never a bill as tough on the border as this bill. yet, the republicans want to kill it. it's disgusting. >> we heard just in the last week or two some republican senators like lindsey graham and john cornyn say exactly that, we won't get a better deal even if

we control both houses of congress and the white house next year, because the democrats won't want to give all of this. right now, though, the democrats and president biden are willing to give that. they're willing to even take blowback from progressives, because they know they need to get this done. they know the nation wants there to be real change at the border. we see poll after poll that suggests that. it is a deeply cynical and nakedly craven thing to create that chaos because they think it will help them benefit politically. >> joining this discussion we have the reverend al sharpton and staff writer for the atlantic, david frum. david's latest piece is

entitled, "the art of no deal." >> it's very clear what donald trump and the republicans have said openly. i've never heard this before in all of my life, but they're saying it openly. what is good for america is bad for the republican party. a good economy is bad for the republican party, so donald trump says he wants it to crash. a closed border is good for america, so donald trump and mike johnson want to kill the deal. >> a failed negotiation like this at least gives you some information about what the real priorities of the parties are. the democratic offer was, what if we gave you, republicans, everything you said you've ever wanted? and what if in return we dropped all of our key demands? this bill includes no amnesty, no pathway to citizenship, nothing like that. it also addresses the asylum

problem. one of the fantasies that republicans are selling is, look, it doesn't matter what kind of deal you get, because if donald trump returns to office, he will use his awesome executive powers to change the border. they are deceiving people. a lot of the chaos at the border is the result of past judicial decisions in the united states. the president can't just overturn them. there are consent decrees. that's why asylum seekers get released into the country. they are judicial president. the president cannot overrule those. one of the conclusions that voters can draw is, if you say no when you are offered everything you said you wanted, then maybe you don't really want those things. here's one last piece to keep in mind. at the same time as republicans are saying we care so much about the border, republicans in the

state are legalizing teenage labor in alcohol service, roofing, meat packing. they are allowing 14-year-olds in the state of arkansas, which dropped any requirement that employers verify the age of workers. these workers are under age 18. they're being released into the interior of the country, and republican governors are putting up giant signs saying come to arkansas, come to forward, come to the dakotas. take roofing jobs, serve alcohol. we know who you are. we actually want you. we're just pretending we don't. wisconsin wants them to serve alcohol. florida allows them to do

roofing jobs as teenagers maybe even under the age of 14. >> in the last eight or nine years of the trump administration, sometimes it's been implied, sometimes it's been subtle. in this case, it's fully exposed. republicans have said immigration is the most important issue. go back to "build that wall" in 2016. they chanted it. they wanted something done on the border. now donald trump is making late-night phone calls saying don't you pass this bill, going on newsmax saying this is a democratic trap even though it's been organized by senator james lankford, a republican from oklahoma. this is so tilted toward conservatives that progressives are not happy about this. this is a bitter pill to swallow policy-wise for a lot of

democrats. yet, republicans say, we can't do it because daddy called last night and said we can't. >> it is a very critical lesson that we're learning early in this season of election '24. many of us that call ourselves progressives did not like the fact there is no passage to citizenship, but want to see something done that start to bring us towards a humane policy. you're talking about human beings at the border, but also people that are in cities that are being challenged because their budgets have been altered, because social services are threatened and because mayors can't handle it. if the republicans had just went forward, there would have been some of us grumbling to biden on the amnesty question and the other question. they played right into the

politics of the democrats' hands of saying we're not even going to bring up that problem. we're going to not do anything in the name of donald trump even though you gave us everything we've ever wanted. it's unreal. for them to do it so blatantly and to show that they will do whatever trump says not only because of human beings at the border, but human beings that are citizens here. the head of the faa is slated to testify today before a house subcommittee about boeing's on going problems with its 737 max 9 jet. faa chief mike whitaker is

expected to tell lawmakers that the agency will step up its on-the-ground presence, monitoring aircraft production at boeing. earlier today, whitaker was on cnbc, where he was asked how the faa might respond to the headlines detailing additional problems with the plane manufacturer. >> can you fix the culture? >> well, it's their job to fix the culture, but we're going to make sure it's fixed and the 're producing safe airplanes. >> let's bring in andrew ross sorkin. >> is it a culture problem at boeing? this seems to be a problem not just in domestic boeing aircraft, but also we've seen some tragedies across the globe. >> you know, i think ultimately it probably is a culture problem. the great news is we have not

had planes falling out of the sky, but we have had a number of problems and issues. frankly, we did have falling out of the sky many years ago. when you think about the culture issue, which is one of excellence. you need to have excellence in a binary outcome of the plane is going to land or it's not. for whatever reason, boeing has not led on that standard. now, the question is now, if you have faa people in there watching over people, acting as a nanny, is that the right approach? you could argue there's not enough competition in this space anymore. really there's boeing and there's airbus. that is it. that has provided a disincentive for that kind of excellency.

because of the way boeing operates relative to airbus, there's a whole retraining effort. if you are an airline that's long relied on boeing planes and you say i'm going to go get an airbus plane, the additional cost to get the pilots to be able to fly those planes is enormous. the switching costs are too high. there's a number of issues that have led to the moment we're in. >> let me ask you about what's going on with mcdonald's and starbucks. war hits mcdonald's and starbucks. talk about that, if you will. >> look, this should not be surprising. what's happening, frankly, in the middle east has impacted these stores. by the way, it has not impacted

it in other parts of the world in a meaningful way. we talked about inflation. inflation is up. so people are talking about $18 big mac combos. that's real. you have what's happening in the middle east and what's happening here in the u.s. what's happening in the u.s. is a fundamentally different issue. >> i'm sorry. i have not driven through mcdonald's in a while. look who i'm married to. i'm shocked. are you saying that the big mac combo that i grew up on costs as

much as $18? >> if you get all the other stuff with it, it's very high in certain places. i was in starbucks yesterday and got those little egg -- i forget what you call them. starbucks is pricey to begin with. but that was 6 or $7. costs are higher. i think some people are starting to think to themselves when they walk into these stores, am i going to pay this kind of money? it's a psychological shift. >> i heard from a member of my family complaining about a $14 hamburger in california. >> this goes to the issue we've been talking about forever. this is the political issue. even though we say the economy is doing great, and it is the in so many ways, the cost of the

burger is more expensive too. >> we were talking about how groceries are stubbornly high still. you know, people look at gas and groceries. those are sort of political leading indicators. >> how about housing, andrew? is there any softening in the market? >> in some places there's been some softening, but you have rents that have gone up, not down, especially in big cities. that's the flip side of this. you could sell your house for less. those who already own don't want to do that, so you have people holding onto those properties. >> you remember the guy that ran in new york for mayor. his party line was "the rent is too damn high." >> yes. >> andrew ross sorkin, thank you. coming up on "morning joe,"

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i knew he was doing less and less. now we know why. he's saving it for his legal fees. >> as republican presidential candidate nikki haley focusing on the frontrunner donald trump as she continues to hold rallies across her home state of south carolina. meanwhile, republican voters in nevada will go to the polls today for the state's primary election, but haley is the only major candidate whose name will appear on the ballot. trump opted not to run in the primary and instead focus on the state's caucuses. that is a system dominated by his supporters. haley's campaign, which is not competing in those caucuses, has called the system rigged for the former president. joining us from las vegas to explain nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. explain, if you could, the distinction between what we're going to see today and what we'll see down the road in the caucuses. >> reporter: after the 2020 election, the state democrats passed a bill to make the

primary system the way in which presidential nominees are selected in nevada. historically they have held caucuses. so the state party said, we still want to do a caucus. they sued the state. the judge ultimately ruled there is going to be a primary, but if you want, you can do a caucus. the state gop decided all of their delegates would come from this caucus, not the primary. the candidates could make a decision whether they wanted to appear on the primary ballot or the caucus. nikki haley chose to do the primary, and on thursday donald trump's name will appear at the caucus. we already know he's going to walk away with all of the gel delegates for nevada. there is the opportunity for nevada republicans to select none of the above.

there is the potential if donald trump supporters take part in today's primary, they could select none of the above. dean phillips after his shellacking in south carolina, is not here on the ballot in nevada. we expect joe biden to also walk away with his delegate haul here in nevada. a stunning story out of washington where former staffers in congresswoman nancy mace's office are calling out a toxic work culture after a recent mass exodus at the south carolina representative's d.c. office. according to "the daily beast" mace's entire d.c. office has turned over since november 1st. former staff members describe the office as a toxic work culture driven by a delusional boss. mace's former chief of staff, who was fired on december 1st,

as even filed to run against mace in her south carolina district. former staffers who spoke with "the daily beast" on the condition of anonymity describe mace as micro managing the office all day and into the night. mace called close to midnight on christmas eve asking why she wasn't on tv more during the holiday week. >> by the way, a question i never ask. >> former staffers describe the job as grueling and thankless, adding that mace created a, quote, demoralizing environment for staff. mace's current chief of staff called the situation a nonissue, describing the turnover as, quote, new coach, new team in the d.c. office. i mean, i'm not surprised. >> so vaughn, it's been a very curious few years following nancy mace. i know you've talked to members

of congress who've worked with her. i've talked to members of congress in leadership that have worked with her. you can't predict the next move. you can't predict what she's going to be doing. she just seems to be -- well, i don't know, rudderless. >> if you look at the way she was leering at hunter biden like an eighth grader when he walked in, she was making catcalling sounds and acting like an eighth grader. is anyone surprised? >> again, it seems that there's this evolution from getting extraordinarily trumpy to then trying to be reasonable to then going trumpy. what can you tell us about your reporting on nancy mace through the years?

>> reporter: look, i realize folks can go through political evolution, but i've got to tell you guys, this is a hell of a whiplash. two years ago i was with nancy mace on the campaign trail when she was trying to hold onto her congressional seat because donald trump was trying to primary her in her district. this was after nancy mace suggested there needed to be fresh faces in the republican party after the january 6th attack and suggested the lives of her family members could have been on the line. nancy mace, after she actually beat that trump primary challenger, i asked her the explicit question, how is she going to survive in a republican party that had been reshaped in donald trump's image. she said, quote, my message is the same to him as anybody else on either side of the aisle. i'm willing to work with anyone who's willing to work with me. well, she's gone out of her way to work with him. despite nikki haley being on the campaign trail with her on those

stops two years ago trying to help her save her seat, just the other day she was holding a press conference in south carolina can cameras all around her calling nikki haley china's favorite governor. compare that to the words donald trump had for her two years ago when he held a rally in south carolina when he called her a grandstander and a, quote, untruthful grandstanding loser. this is the evolution of nancy mace in the two last years. june 11th is the day of that primary. i bet we'll be back in south carolina. >> david frum, we could talk about nancy mace or mtg and so many characters. it's a party of gestures. it's a party of rudderless

people who one day take one position and the next will be like mike johnson and just do whatever donald trump tells them to do when he calls late at night. >> some very brave and non-rudderless people are in the trenches in ukraine on the front line of democracy, fighting without ammunition because this congress has cut them off. it's now more than a hun hundred days since president biden sent a request for ukraine. this border deal was the price president biden was prepared to pay to save ukraine. he was prepared to give up the most cherished democratic aspirations on immigration, no amnesty, nothing. the strongest republican bill not in decades, as the "wall street journal" editorial page said. this is the strongest

immigration bill ever since the 1920s. president biden offered it as a way to save ukraine, and republicans are saying no in order to betray ukraine. >> you see these editorial writers talking about joe biden being weak on foreign policy. it is a total lie. it is donald trump's republican party that's abandoning freedom fighters right now in ukraine. it's the republican party that's getting in the way of us sending foreign aid to israel so they can defend themselves. it is the republican party that wants chaos at the southern border for another year. it's absolutely shameful. the writers out there talking about joe biden being weak when it comes to foreign policy, please save your lies for somebody else. i mean, you'd have to be really stupid to believe that. it's donald trump and the republican party that is making

america and making the west weaker. >> david frum, thank you very much for being on this morning. next month, thousands of americans will mobilize at state houses across the country to demand more from their local elected officials. the action was announced yesterday by the poor people's campaign, an organization that aims to use the power of america's low wage workers to enact change in washington. joining us, reverend william barrber. >> tell us about the campaign. >> you know, joe, 135 million americans now are poor and/or low wage. it is time to wake the sleeping

giant. it's time to be a resurrection, not an insurrection. if you look at the numbers, just 1% would bridge the gap in south carolina. just 18.4% would close the gap with a margin of victory. in florida, over 2.8 million poor and low wage voters didn't vote. just 3% would close any margin of victory. so march 2nd in 32 states and d.c., poor and low wage workers and thousands of religious leaders and others are coming together to launch a massive 42-week campaign to reach 15 million poor and low wage infrequent voters around an agenda around fighting for living wages and health care and saying, listen, there are 52 million poor and low wage

workers in this country who have not gotten a raise since 2009. we saw eight democrats and 50 republicans block them when the president and vice president wanted to see them get $15 in the union. they are saying we are not going to sit on the sideline anymore. we are the sleeping giant. we have power. it's time to use it in a massive way. a 42-week campaign starting march 2nd to reach 15 million poor and low wage voters to transform this electorate. >> i have a two-part question. one is that the fact that you and i know that visibility brings credibility to issues. you worked in this area of raising low wage workers and poor people for a long time.

dr. king raised the poor people's campaign and jose williams abernathy kept it going. raising this issue at a state house level is because a lot of things that come out of washington will not get to the state houses if the people don't deal with it. explain to people why going to the state houses becomes important and waking up poor and working class people to reasons that they should be voting so it's connected to their lives, not just this political discussion that they really don't personalize or understand how it affects them on a daily basis. >> you're so right. everything we've ever won started from the bottom up, from birmingham up, from montgomery up. we know in these state houses

they can block living wages, health care, medicaid expansion, money for public education. they can change voting rights. we're saying if you're for voting rights or living wages, we need to massively mobilize. also on june 15th, we're coming to d.c. to challenge the congress. the things we're pushing for are not some radical idea. 72% of exit polls say that americans want a raise. they want $15 minimum wage. here's the moral question. that is that we went through covid and we called people necessary workers and treated them like they were expendable. we said they had to go to work. even when they went to work, they didn't get a living wage.

these people are saying, wait a minute, we have power. there is not a state in this country where if 20% of poor and low wage infrequent voters were to mobilize and vote, they could not transform elections in state capitals. >> this is a massive group of americans, a lot of people who vote as well. as a pollster for the president's campaign, talk about your role in this partnership and why you think this is so important. >> my role is to look at the data and really validate this approach. i think this is game changing. this is the biggest bloc of unmobilized voters out there. this is going to be a mobilization election. when reverend barber shared numbers like 1.1 million non-voters, these are states where the margin was 10,000

voters. this is game changing to mobilize these folks. the participation among poor people is about 22% less than the participation on average. this is the biggest change i'm seeing out there and the biggest potential for progressive victories. >> anybody that calls reverend sharpton reverend jackson have an open spot on my show. >> we have the same rhythm. >> he was naming all of the names of the past. in that moment we really all are brothers. poverty is the fourth leading cause of death in this country. this has to be a moral issue. we've had 15 presidential debates in the last election and

not one 30 minutes on how will you address poverty if you're the leader of this country. it's killing almost a quarter million people a year. this is a moral issue and we're waking the sleeping giant. >> does president biden understand this? >> i think the whole team understands it. i think the whole democratic party understands it. frankly, besides being a moral issue, this is just a practical political issue. when you're sitting on a million voters, the ability to tap half a million and you're winning a state by 10,000, this is an effort you want to participate in. >> thank you for being on this morning. coming up, we'll go live to london and get an update on king charles' condition as he faces a

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king charles is now undergoing treatment for cancer. according to buckingham palace, the monarch was diagnosed after being treated for an enlarged prostate. officials say king charles does not have prostate cancer. so this is a different cancer. sky news anchor and nbc news contributor wilfred frost joins us from outside buckingham palace. what more do we know or what are the pieces of the puzzle that we can put together here? >> reporter: well, as you said, we know that the monarch has cancer. itself has been shocking news

for the nation to get to grips with over the last 18 hours or so. we know it was discovered while having a routine prostate operation, as you mentioned, eight or nine days ago, albeit as you said it is not prostate cancer. his condition is not bad enough such that he has to stop his constitutional duties, that is things like meeting the prime minister each week, signing all new legislation into law, but is sufficient for him to step back from his public roles, that can be things as wide ranging as opening a new hospital wing to going on state visits to foreign countries, two are upcoming, canada and australia, those look relatively unlikely to happen. now, this is a new age of transparency for the monarch, of course, to get the intimate medical details at all is a new thing. that said, it has set a precedent where we now want more details and have more questions as you said are unanswered. we don't know precisely what type of cancer it is, precisely

what treatment he's undergoing or with that, quite how serious the situation is. >> all right, sky news anchor wilfred frost, thank you very much. we'll be on that story for sure. the new autobiographical film titled "rolling long: an american story," a one man show where bill bradley gives a revealing look at his extraordinary life, from winning two nba championships in the 1970s, with the new york knicks, to representing the great state of new jersey in the united states senate for three terms, to challenging vice president al gore, the democratic presidential nomination in 2000. >> beautiful teamwork! >> new nba champions! >> one of the things i think you talked about was washington, the government. what about that? >> sometime in my life perhaps i would like to work for the government. >> i have chosen politics because i saw how government

made millions of lives better. i wanted to know america like i once knew the seams of a basketball. i challenged al gore for the democratic nomination, i knew it would be tough, but bradley has hit the long shots before. the beautiful paradox of america is that we are men, that we are individual, that we are different, but that we are one. >> and the basketball hall of famer and former united states senator joins us now. senator bradley, great to see you. >> great to see you, willie. thank you for having me on. >> what a great story this is. you had so many chances along the way, your life is so unique and so extraordinary that, you know, you -- i'm daniel lurie and i've spent my career fighting poverty,

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businesses like mine are still getting broken into. it's time our police officers have access to 21st century tools to prevent and solve more crimes. allow public safety cameras that other bay area police departments have to discourage crime, catch criminals, and increase prosecutions. prop e is a smart step our city can take right now to keep san francisco moving in the right direction. please join me in voting yes on prop e. imagination, courage, responsibility, the values you learn playing the game translate directly to the rest of your life in anything you do. >> joe is here with a question for you, senator. joe, it really is a story unlike any other when you think about basketball star chooses princeton, becomes rhodes scholar, becomes two-time nba champion and becomes united states senator. >> and his mother and father would be so proud because everybody i talked to that know him say he is far more than a

gentleman. he's an extraordinary man. you know, senator, i just saw in that clip, i saw you saying that you wanted to be in government because it makes people's lives better. i remember going up to congress and i was an ideologue when i got there. by the time i left, i realized the real power was being able to help other people in their daily lives. that's something that is so lost these days. talk about that, how public service still can make people's lives better. >> yeah, i don't think it is lost, joe. i really don't. i think plenty of people in congress now who have the same motivation. i mean, one of the reasons that i did the show was to hope -- in hopes it would be a healing experience. divided country. i think about, you know, the divisions we face, and i think that we actually could learn

something from what made the knicks great so many years ago, which is take responsibility for yourself, respect your fellow human being, disagree with them openly, honestly and civilly, enjoy their humanity, and what my grandmother used to say, never look down on people you don't understand. >> so, there are so many different options for people with streaming. talk about why rolling along, why people need to watch this. >> well, as i said, i hope that watching it can be a healing experience. i did it to tell my story and with great candor, because i hope other people will tell their stories. and all of our stories together really emphasize our common humanity, not the differences, but the common humanity. that's how we pull us back to the place where we listen to each other, not shout at each other.

>> you're working with spike lee and frank oz on this film. >> that's not bad. i had angels appear along the way. i rehearsed, i did this at the warner bros. commissary, the warner bros. lot, he says i think this could be a film. i called spike, he said i want to do this for you. i went over to the office. he said, what do you need? i said a glass of water and a stool. i did it for him. at the end of it, he had tears in his eyes and i knew maybe i had something. every day, once i memorized it i had to do it every day. so i would do it and one day it got around, to three people, eight people, six people came. and i do it every day. and one day, two people came, one of whom was frank oz. he heard about it. he watched it, said let me help you. he was helpful too. and my last angel that came along was when two weeks before

tribeca, van morrison, who i had as an opening song, called and said, his agent called and said, sorry, we don't give you permission. i called steve van zandt and said, hey, steve, i sent him the film six months earlier, i said i need a song, he said, well, bruce did something back in the '80s called "summer signal hill" and maybe that will work and it did. all these angels came along to help in the process. >> stevie rides to the rescue. that's an amazing story. >> maybe that's a song. >> maybe that's the next song. >> we're so glad it all came together. it is tremendous. "rolling along: an american story" streaming now on max. former senator bill bradley, congratulations on the film. more importantly, thank you for your life of service to the country. you are a model for a lot of us of what it can look like to serve this country. thank you so much. >> thank you very much. it is a pleasure to be on. thank you, joe, mika, all of you, thank you for having me. >> great to see you. how about some final thoughts, joe and mika, in our remaining seconds? >> well, i just -- i just want

to underline what the senator said, and that is that public service -- people can make such a huge difference if they go in there with a servant's heart, like a senator bradley did. and i just pray he's right, that there are a lot of people in washington that can have that servant's heart. >> we'll leave it right there that does it for us this morning. we'll see you tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports," breaking news on capitol hill, where we are about to hear from the house speaker with republicans set to vote today and move forward in their push to impeach the secretary of homeland security. do they have the votes to do what hasn't been done in more than a century? plus, the bipartisan border bill in jeopardy. the gop divisions that threaten to doom the deal. also ahead, the head of the faa in the hot seat on capitol hill. set to testify in just