anything, it would be, put your family first. i guess i would like to say to rob, rob, he had five kids, couldn't this have been something you pictured as you held up the gun and targeted it at his head and his heart? >> once in meridian, idaho, were two happy, successful families. it wasn't quite enough for some of them and the wreckage is forever. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline. " i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. ank you good morning, and welcome to the saturday edition of morning joe. let's get right to the week's top stories. they carefully crafted bipartisan border security and foreign aid bell was effectively killed yesterday.

after republicans voted against a legislation, they demanded and negotiated. this comes after months of talks between both parties, as republicans required any aid for israel and ukraine must be met with reforms at the southern border. every member of senate republican leadership voted against the bill. including minority leader, mitch mcconnell, who had actively advocated for the package. the bill was also doomed as phone as former president trump began pressuring republicans to kill it prso he could use immigration as a general election issue. take a listen to what two of the lead negotiators of the package that yesterday. >> i had a popular commentator four weeks ago that i talked to, that attold me flat out, before they do every of the contents of the bill. nothing was out ntat that point that's inwhy me flat out, if yo try to move a bill that solves

the border crisis during this presidential year, i will do whatever i can to destroy you. because i do not want you to solve this u during the presidential election. by the way, they have been faithful to their promise. and i've done everything that they can to destroy me. and as i've mentioned, i've had a few anfolks that have said if cannot e get everything that i wants, nothing. i do not find most americans are that way, just in the day- to-day ilife. we have high goals and aspirations as americans, and quite frankly, i don't blame americans for being really angry and frustrated where we are at the border. really angry and frustrated. but rewhat i hear from most oklahomans is do something. do not just sit there, do something. make progress. but do not allow this to keep going. stop it where you can.

>> we were ready to bring the bill to the floor, open it up for debate and amendments. you know, how the senate is supposed to work. and then passed the bill. but less than 24 hours after we release the bell, my republican colleagues change their minds. it turns out they want all talk, and no action. it turns out that border security is not actually a risk to our national security, it is just a talking point for the election. after all of their cable news appearances, after all of those campaign anphoto ops in the desert, after all those trips to the border, this crisis isn't actually much of a crisis after all. if you want to spend the border crisis for your own political agendas, go right ahead. if you want to continue to use the southern border as a backdrop for your political campaign, that oris fine good. luck to you. i have a very clear message

for anyone using the southern border first staged political events. do not come to arizona. take your political theater to texas. do not bring it to my state. >> jacqui, i will start with you. so this, as you have the kind of stop and process what you are hearing from republicans. which is that they forever wanted something done about the border. republican, james lankford, leaves this negotiation for months. get a deal s to do something do about the border. they vote against doing something about . the border. then when the foreign aid they say we s up are not pavoting on that unlessu we do something about the border that we just voted against. do i have that about right? >> that is exactly right. and pretty fair, considering the htdata that republicans had yesterday. it's interesting, the senate republicans generally consider themselves to be the more deliberative, and efficient body dein congress. but, yesterday, and really in recent . months of the lead up

today, they have joined and started to resemble the rowdier house counterparts, but it was a very embarrassing day that culminated in a chaotic stretch for republicans after demanding seize, spell to address the crisis at the border o that the have claimed four years now needed to be addressed, and voting that rebill down. now, tthey are taking some tim they were deliberating all day yesterday erand what turned int a very contentious lunch in that stress through the day really, about what they are going to do ouon this supplemental aid package, which is the stand-alone package that contains aid for israel and hat ukraine without the border bill. but, republicans were feeling pressure and wanted to do at least something, wand not be blamed t for this political crisis that they had essentially manufactured. our way options to craft some border provisions, potentially in the form of an amendment to

add to this bill which is why this secondary boat has taken until today to be scheduled. >> here are some of the senate republicans vowing to block any foreign aid bill until the situation at the southern border is addressed first, despite voting against legislation earlier in the day yesterday. which would have address the situation at the border. >> what this administration, and chuck schumer, what they are doing, is using the crisis in israel to support other priorities of the party. we should first secure our southern border, second provide resources to rnisrael, their ta a look at the indo-pacific, and ford make sure that we have accountability woven into and the resources that we give to ukraine. without s doing those four thin in succession, it's gonna be hard for republicans to support it. >> you have already too many republicans who have transitioned from, well okay,

first foray into trying to force border security has gone down, now let's move on to ukraine. and vei think that there are those raof us who belong to the senate a ngcaucus in the republican party, need to throw our hands up icand say, let's pump the brakes here and let's continue to work on solving the border problem as opposed to merely pivoting, to put more resources into ukraine. >> it was about ukraine money. it was not about the border. most people know that it wasn't we were not pen, gonna get toa deal on the borde so now we jumped ahead. jumped into the ukraine funding and adthey're going to find a w to get it done but hopefully we can block it. we need to protect our borders first before anybody else's borders. >> but tim miller, they had a deal to protect the border that senator james lankford and many others worked on for months, a bipartisan deal that was stronger than anything that they've ever seen before and

ever could get again? what happened? >> well, james lankford, kristen sinema, and chris murphy ran into a party that is not a conservative party. and not a party that wants to solve problems. it was interesting at the beginning of the segment watching the frustration on langford and sinema's face. and their words as they were talking about eihow the republicans would not support this deal that they demanded. i just think that they have come to a realization that many of us have realized. the majority, that every single republican, but the majority of the republican party wants is denialism, is it is extremism. and a total extreme to donald trump. not advancing conservative policy solutions. you can step back and look at this. this is crazy loto consider tha james lankford, an extremely conservative senator from oklahoma would post forth a border bill that has no, none of the immigration reforms that democrats have won it in the past. nothing for dreamers, nothing

to liberalize the immigration system. it is all border security, pretty harsh rules for detention of migrants, and for him to be able to convince, it seems like maybe every democratic senator, nearly every democratic senator to go on board with that. and whave his own republican scuttle it because they do not solve any problems because they are happy to do putin's bidding and ukraine. i guess i would be frustrated if i was i him as well, if it wasn't for the fact that this is something t that we have see for the party for a long time now, and it's just a fundamental change and where our politics are right now. >> we know that the u.s. border patrol union has come out in favor asof this bipartisan package voin the senate, making the case very clearly that senators, members of congress, republicans have kind of tied themselves in knots trying to rebut that. watch this exchange. >> if this had passed today, because i am sure that you have looked at this closely, would

it have made the border safer than the status quo that it's there with right now? >> first of all smart that, i wanna thank senator lankford, sinema, and murphy for the bipartisan effort. as long as there is no action coming out of congress, where languishing in the same. there's no debate that says that a bill has to have everything that we need in order for us to accept that that's why uswe have compromise there are definitely aspects of the bill that i like for the agency, and there's aspects of it cythat of course i did not. that is always been the case. >> the border bill has been that. it has been as dead, as woodrow wilson. i would say anybody that looked at the spell and confidently predicted it would have been an improvements. >> the chief of the border patrol just said exactly that. don't you think that lyhe probably knows better u than anybody what would've helped his people out a r little bit? >> and i have great respect for

him but i disagree with him. >> that's the same show, moments later tim and john kennedy of louisiana saying that hnhe knows better than the head of the border patrol union. that is the way that's been very friendly to donald trump, endorsed him in a dlcouple of census, and said in this case, this is gonna make our jobs easier. it's gonna help the immigration crisis. please, they're begging of these republicans to get on board and g help us out. republicans are saying no, actually, we know better than you. of course they do not mean that. they're just doing what donald trump tells them to do. >> of course, that's why the senator now. let me tell you, he 'sdefinitel does not know anything about what's happening at the border. this is a thing, they need to y be come up with post de facto explanations proposing this. they're gonna act silly at o times and they go on fox news because this is eywhat they demanded, and bewhat they wante and mathey really didn't even need to be here, all of the elements of this bipartisan compromise that langford worked on, should have majority support in this congress.

and both houses of the democrats if they're for it. you s know, supporting ukraine should be a clean and easy thing for republicans to support. the stricter border security, even if it isn't everything that's stephen miller's has on his wish list, sshould be something that wipeople would support as a stand-alone. they're not supporting it for political reasons because they do not want the country to do anything, it is in line with donald trump talking about how he dowanted the economy to fail earlier onthis year. all these people care about is getting donald trump back in the white house. and anything that would help to do that is something that they would support. and that's why, to your point at the beginning of this, this was not about timing, it's not about specific provisions in the bill. it's reminiscent of the donald trump conviction after january i six. it was like, awe can't vote to convict itright now because he' out of office, and then we'll wait ofor the courts to do wha they're supposed to do. and then the courts do what is supposed to do, and they say we

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welcome back to morning joe: weekend. let's jump again with another one of this week's conversations. we thought that you just should not miss. joining us now, nbc news legal analyst, andrew weizmann. andrew, i guess he has until monday to appeal. how do you think that this plays out? >> well, i think that i comment on is that we get so sick and married to the crazy. this is a 50-page decisions that's, with no disrespect to

these judges that says, guess what. presidents can commit crimes. this idea that we're really saying this is a really wonderful opinion, of course it is. and it's what it means to be a nation of laws. but it is also obvious. no one has ever thought that there would be a president or a former president who would take the position that they are free to commit crimes. and not just any crimes, these are crimes that fundamentally change what it means to be an elected official. what you're saying that i can actually obstruct peoples power to put me out of office. so as a court of course was right, and it presents a conundrum for the supreme court. there's no question that donald trump will try to get the supreme court to rule on this and in many ways you can imagine why the supreme court would want to affirm what the d.c. circuit did so that they could say the law of the land from the supreme court, not just the court of appeals, is

that of course donald trump is wrong. there is no way that the supreme court would ever take this case and reverse the d.c. circuit. the problem with him taking the case of course is that there is a time clock here. where all entitled to a speedy trial. we, the people, are entitled to a speedy trial with respect to these charges. that is something that is statutorily given to the public. not just the government and the defense, but we have that right. and so if the supreme court were to take this case and stay judge chutkan scheduling a trial, they essentially could de facto be giving donald trump immunity. because he would not be tried on this case. so, i think that is that conundrum for them. my that's on that is that they will not issue a stay and that they will allow judge chutkan to go forward with the trial and she clearly is going to schedule late a new date and

go. forward >> so andrew, within the answer that you just gave. there is i think, and many peoples minds, what is the difference between the law and common sense? i'm in, you just outlined the pretty common sense response to this decision yesterday. that the president, or anybody really, does not have immunity from walking out of his office and killing people. and say, hey, no, i am in. so what was the reaction be on the common sense level do you think instinctively among the members of the supreme court? >> so ideally the law of common sense fuzzy the same. you do not want a situation where the law is doing something that everyone knows makes absolutely no sense. i do not think that with respect to the supreme court, that donald trump will find five votes, which is what he made, five out of the nine, to say that the d.c. circuit is

wrong. there is no precedent at all, everyone likes to talk about how donald trump's, in sort of an unprecedented person, but in this situation, in order to prevail he needs to be able to rely on president. that is prior cases, prior law that support his position and here, this decision is really bulletproof. it goes through this passionately one by one all of his arguments. yes, it is something that i think anyone in great school would come to the same, obvious conclusion. anyone who took a civics class would come to the same conclusion. but it does it in a polite, legal way going through each argument and refuting each one, one by one. so if this were anybody else if, it was any other defendant raising this. there is not a snowball's chance that the supreme court would take this case. it is such a frivolous

arguments to say that anyone could go ahead and kill people and not be subject to the criminal laws. and the court, by the way, refutes donald trump's claim that you just played. that any president would be deterred from taking to house positions. and says that is historically absolutely not true. there is been no presidential immunity, and guess what, until then donald trump has no problem making tough decisions. and no one has been charged because no one has committed crimes like this. >> so carlos, to sum this up you have more bad news to donald trump in the legal realm. i mean, every day something new happens. and these are three judge panels or juries of our peers. not the doj. he's already been found to be a massive fraud, and yet republicans still keep running around in circles for him and

behaving destructively at his win. what do you make of this? >> they got, in terms of the ruling it is good news. it means the united states is not cuba, it is not venezuela, it is not nicaragua. we have laws, we have rule of law. we have strong men. and those leaders are held accountable. what it means for republicans is that they do not really agree with that. they want to reward this past behavior just because someone happens to be popular with a minority of the population. and at the end of the day, politically, it means that there is a lot of risk here. i know republicans feel good about the polls today, but think about that coalition that has come together three general elections in a row. 18, 20, 22 to oppose donald trump and his movements. that coalition is out there and every day, as we get closer to the election, that coalition is going to be reminded about who donald trump is, what he did, the damage that he did to our

country. so aside from the moral question here, there is also great political risk for republicans in continuing to follow donald trump. >> former congressman, carlos carballo thank you very much. nbc news legal analyst, andrew weissmann, thank you as well. up next, new york's governor, kathy hochul, joins us about the impact in search of the migrants have had on new york city! have had on new york city! hi, i'm greg. i live in bloomington, illinois. i'm not an actor. i'm just a regular person. some people say, "why should i take prevagen? i don't have a problem with my memory." memory loss is, is not something that occurs overnight. i started noticing subtle lapses in memory. i want people to know that prevagen has worked for me. it's helped my memory. it's helped my cognitive qualities. give it a try. i want it to help you just like it has helped me. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription.

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crime specifically. but first, is there any update on the situation with the migrants who attacked the crops? that they should be deported? do we even know where they are? >> we know where some of them are, but i should ever say that that was an abhorrent act. and anyone who thinks that they should have been let loose. i have a big disagreement with the number of them that we think went on a bus. they were free because no bail was posted. i worked hard to change the bail laws in new york state. those crimes were bail eligible, they had a right to be held, and that district attorney is maybe bringing new charges. but it is frustrating. it never should've happened, and you do not put a hand on a police officer anywhere in the state of new york and get away with it. >> the system breakdown? or what happened here? >> you can as the district attorney. however, what i've been told by him and his offices that they were not clear on actually who

the perpetrators were. it was kind of a chaotic situation, maybe 6 to 8 people involved. they wanted to make sure that they have the right person. but you can hold these people while you are still investigating. you do not let them out. and so, you asked for bail. a judge grants it. and then you hold people until you figure out exactly what happened. all we know is that there were new york city police officers beaten on the ground by migrants. and that is not acceptable, anywhere! >> right. and if they are able to track down these perpetrators, you say that they should be deported immediately? >> no, not immediately. i want them to go through the justice system. i want them to be prosecuted, i want them convicted. i want them to do time in jail, and then we deport them. because if we just send them back to the home country, who knows what, whether there will ever be any consequences for this act. no, let them go through the process. but ultimately, they are actually one of the 100 crimes where we can cooperate with

immigration services and have them deported. >> governor, good morning. as you say you have been working on bail reform for a couple of years now. so you have a broad view of this. what is your sense of where the hole in the system is right now? a judge would say, well i don't have enough discretion to make these choices about whether to hold offenders her bail. the dea sometimes didn't even ask for bail? what did the cops on the butt end of this. the cops just have people punching them in the face on saturday night in times square. because they think they can operate with impunity. so where is the hole in the system as you have studied it? >> there was a hole in the system, the bail laws that were changed under my predecessor took away that discretion that judges had one time had to say that this person has a history. this person is likely to do it again. this person's crime was so serious we really do not want them back out on the streets. and that law was changed. i inherited that and i spent

the last two budgets literally holding up the budget one month late last year to get the changes. to give the judges back the discretion that had been taken away. so where the gap is now we need more of us. we need more prosecutions, and we need more district attorneys to asked for bail in fail eligible crisis. including hate crimes that had not been included before. crimes like this. so the judges ultimately have the discretion. we say this, let me explain, we see the disparity and how this is being applied across the state. recidivism is now down as a result of these changes, but we see different judges, different views i suppose on how this should be applied. upstate versus downstate. so basically, the law is correct. the law gives them the power to make sure that people who will create crimes again will not be put on the street. all these offenders, all the shoplifting going on in the city. i want judges to hold people, and find out if there has been a history and a pattern here.

and they should not be back on the streets, terrorizing neighborhoods. or sweeping the shelves and making these poor businesses having to shut out. and leaving a neighborhood without a pharmacy, or a place to buy their diapers. it is just wrong, and we are coming at it hard. i am putting more money for district attorneys. i'm going to sit down with the legislature again this session and figure out how we can help in the laws. but the bottom line is we are not going to let chaos reina new york. violent crime is way, way down. and that is the good news. but now we're going to after retail theft, car theft, and some of the other property crimes. >> governor, what is your message to new york city police officers? of this is across the state, but officers that we talked to here who are frankly, demoralized when they arrest someone. sometimes there is a fight involved and they bring them in. sometimes they get assaulted themselves. and then they see them back down in the subways, literally the next day and they arrest them again. or the fact that they feel like criminals are operating with impunity. because they feel like, hey, if i assault a cup i'm going to have to go stand before a judge for a couple of hours but then

i am back on the street. what do you say to the officers of the new york city police department? >> i tell them to not give up. we are changing the whole culture in our city. we are taking our streets back. we are not allowing criminals to get away with impunity. and we support our law enforcement. we absolutely support them. we want them to have the resources to do their jobs. which is a huge part of the money that i am putting into the budget. we talk about $700 million, that is for district attorneys. that is for local law enforcement. i want to make sure that they have the tools they need to keep our citizens straight, or safe. and not beagles barlite's. we support our law enforcement, we want to make sure that they have what they need, and when the situation occurs that is so disgusting, what happened to those officers in times square. we stand up and say that that was wrong. we will catch them, and i want them to sit in jail. so i want them to know that we have their backs. >> so governor, you and some of your democratic, gubernatorial

colleagues have expressed at the southern border, allowing migrants and. many mayors have done the same. we have been talking about it all morning, and now it seems that this bipartisan border deal in washington is doomed to fail. down to the senate. because republicans have turned on it. what is your reaction to that? >> i am not surprised, but here is what the bottom line is. i used to help start a flower shop with my mom. i used to work their. we had a sign that said, if you break it you own it. republicans are breaking this deal, now they will own it. now they will go on defense and we are going on offense. because, guess what? there was a solution sitting right in front of you. it was gift wrapped. you could've taken it. you could've helped to solve this problem. and i guarantee republican governors on the border wanted this to happen. it's not just you are trying to help a place that he hit new york that has 172 migrants right now. this is the hope all of america be safer. to stop the flow of fentanyl

from coming in. to stop some bad actors, and we know the brand is not happy with us right now, they're starting to retaliate. i don't know that they're not coming in on the southern border. but republicans do not care. all they want to do is make sure that they create the chaos, blame the democrats, and make sure that their favorite person, donald trump, who they take orders from. even still when he is out of power. which is frightening. that he is restored to power. that is all that they care about. so you won't change the status quo, you would now own it. and i'm gonna make sure as the governor of the state of new york, and the leader of the democratic party here. i have six battleground districts. and republicans running in those biden districts are going to wear this. i have already put them on notice. i said yesterday, i called every one of them out. i said the ten of you have the power to band together and demand this change happen in the house of representatives. and if you do not, you now own this problem. coming up next we will be joined by former senator, bill bradley who will tell us about

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three terms. to challenging vice president, al gore. in a democratic presidential nomination in 2000. >> good rebounds, bradley. good. beautiful teamwork. the new nba champion! >> i wanted the things i think you talk about was what's next for the government. what about that? >> at some time in my life, i would like to work for the government. >> i chose politics because i saw how government made millions of lives better. i wanted to know america, like i once knew the seams of a basketball. the challenge of al gore for the democratic nomination. i knew it would be tough, but like the button and our campaign said, bradley has had the long shots before! >> the beautiful paradox of america's. that we are many. that we are individual. that we are different. but that we are one.

>> and the basketball hall of famer, and former united states senator joins us now. senator bradley, good to see you. >> it is a wily. thank you for having me on. >> what a great story this is. i mean, you've had so many challenges along the way. your challenge is so unique, so extraordinary. if you wear this high school basketball star growing up in missouri, you could've gone to caroline, are these big name programs. and you said no actually want to go to princeton. which by the way, you led them to the final four as well. so can you talk about some of those early decisions that maybe you didn't know that you are going into politics, but you are sort of planning for life beyond basketball? >> i never planned, except in the immediate area ahead. i wanted to win this state championship, i wanted to when the college championship. i wanted to be a pro. i had a wonderful mother and father who, my father always wanted to be a gentleman. my mother always wanted me to be a success. and neither one wanted me to be a politician, or a basketball

player. and those early years set the pattern for me. >> so, when does politics then enter your mind as a possibility? have you've been thinking about it while playing for the next? did it come sometime after that? >> it came on early. i wanted to be a diplomats but i was in high school, that's why i switched in part to go to princeton. from duke, iran an athlete scholarship. and then overtime, i realize that i wanted to make a contribution to public services and as a politician. >> we would obviously be remiss not to speak a little bit about your basketball career. with the next playing. >> you never miss and these. [laughter] >> you are part of the 1970, and 73 title teams here. the next last championship teams, i'm sorry to say. but tell us about lessons maybe you have learned in the sport that you then apply to politics and beyond? >> well, i think the important thing is unselfishness.

imagination, courage, responsibility. the values that you learn playing the game translate directly to the rest of your life and anything you do. >> joe is here with a question for you, senator. tell, it really is a story unlike any other when you think about basketball star. for instead, becomes world scholar, becomes two-time nba champion, and that becomes united states senator? >> and his mother and father would be so proud because everyone that i talked to that know him say that he is far more than a gentlemen. he is an extraordinary man. you know, senator, i just saw in that clip. i saw you saying that you wanted to be in government because it makes peoples lives better. i remember going up to congress and i wasn't idealogue when i got there, but the time that i left i realized the real power who's being able to help other people in their daily lives.

that is something that is so lost these, days talk about that, how public service still can make peoples lives better? >> i don't think it's lost. i really don't. i think plenty of people in congress now who have the same motivation. one of the reasons that i did the show was to, in hopes that it would be a healing experience. the divided country. i think about that divisions that we face and i think that they actually could learn something about what made the next great so many years ago which was taking responsibility for yourself, respecting your fellow human being, disagreeing with them openly, obviously, and civilly. enjoy the humanity. and what my grandmother used to say, never looked down on people that you do not understand. >> so, there's so many different options on people. talk about rolling along, why people need to watch this.

>> well, as i said, i hope that watching it could be a healing experience. i did it to tell my story and with great candor. because i hope that other people will tell their stories. and all of our stories together, really emphasize our common humanity. not the differences but our common humanity. and to me that is one of the ways that we begin to pull us back to a place where we listen to each other and do not shout at each other. >> talk about a big three, you are working with spike lee and frank odds on this film. >> how about that? >> not bad, not at all. >> i had angels up here along the way. i rehearsed, i did this of the warner bros. commissary. in the warner bros. lot. he steps up and says i think this should be a felon. i called spike, an old, friend and say look i would like to do this for you. in the office, just him and me in a room. he said what do you need? i said a glass of water, and a soul. and i did it for him. at the end of that he had tears

in his eyes. and i know that maybe i had something. and every day, once i memorized it, i had to do it every day. so 3:30 in the rec room of our apartment building of new york i would do it. and one day, it got around so three people, six people, eight people came. and i would do it every day. and one day, two people came. one of who was frank oz. he had heard about it, he had watched it. instead let me help you! so he was helpful to. and my last angel that came along was two weeks before try becca, ben morrison who i had as an opening song. he called and said we don't give you permission. so i called save up to a tree bed, i said hey steve, i had a film eight minute earlier and i need a song. he said boosted a song in the 80s called signal hill, maybe that will work. and it did. so all these angels came along to help in the process. >> stevie rides to the rescue. >> favourites to the rescue.

that's a song! >> maybe that's the next song! while we are so glad that it came together. it's tremendous. rolling along, an american story is streaming now on max! former senator, braille bradley, thanks and congratulations on the fell. you are a model for a lot of us of what it could look like to serve this country. thank you so much! >> thank you so much, at the pleasure beyond. thank you joe, mika, all of you. thank you for having me. coming up. a new documentary tells us the stories and legacies of the first black astronauts who made it to space! ho made it to space! ♪ ♪ is this yours? you ready? surprise! i don't think you can clear this. i got this. it's yours now.

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because that's as white. so don't even think about it. and it was the same thing with nasa. i love the space program, i wasn't averaged with it. but nobody doing that stuff looked like me. that was a clip for the new national geographic documentary, the space race. the untold story of the first black astronauts. premiering next monday, this film shines a light on a group of unknown american heroes who refused to keep their feet on the ground, even as forces beyond gravity tried to keep them planted on earth. and joining us now, one of the films executive producers. former nasa astronaut, leland smelled and. thank you so much for coming on the show. tell us about the space race! >> thank you, it's such a movie that tells you the untold history, like hidden figures by catherine johnson. but at dwight, 90 years old

now, captain of the air force, who would've been the first black astronaut. because he wrote a letter saying you're gonna be the first. but when he was killed and 70, three jack johnson in the rest of the crews that we do not need your services anymore so. he pled himself from being an astronaut candidate, to a world renowned sculptor. and it is a legacy of him doing that foundational work to get myself into space, and charlie bowman, and others, all of these people who are working off of this. >> one of the things that strikes me about you doing this since you came behind him, is that there is always a story that many, even today, of us try and try to finish the path of the road that people ahead of us were, for whatever reason, it's not being able to do it. in many cases, race. what is that part that motivated you to do this documentary? i >> think the biggest thing is how many kids out there have never heard of ed dwight, and never heard of bowman?

they need to be motivated and inspired to do and see themselves going to mars one day. and the most diverse teams give you the best solution. so we need everyone at the table to help us from a technological standpoint. from helping us to save our planet, helping us get to the moon, and mars, and beyond. and i think that is the most critical part. you need to know that your history. >> tell us the world that no michele nichols played. the space convergence, he became a leading figure? >> michele nichols was gonna kill star trek. some saw her as the -- of the starship enterprise. and nasa hired her, they wanted to get the next women and minorities to get astronauts. so she campus the country to try to find astronauts. mayor, and even fred gregory saw the commercial and said if the women like that are in space, i want to be an astronaut! [laughter] >> my eight-year-old nephew is gonna be so impressed that we

had a real astronaut on morning joe. and you yourself have logged over 500 hours in space, had a very illustrious career. as an astronaut, did that, how did that help you as you approached the older generations to get them to tell their stories for this documentary? >> i think the biggest part is when i look back at the planet. going around every 90 minutes, seeing a sunset and sunrise every 45 while working to fight against russian and germanton. i think the older crowd were like, hey look, we need to tell the story so that more kids can see and believe that it is possible for everyone and. that is the biggest part. everyone. >> the space race! the untold story of the first black astronaut premiers next monday on national geographic, and the following day on disney+ and hulu. executive producer, leland melvin, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning and sharing that with us.

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welcome back to the second hour of morning show on this saturday morning. we have a lot more of the important conversations you might have missed from the week. take a look. we will start with the special counsel investigating president biden for his

handling of classified documents, will not bring charges against the president. that is the conclusion. robert hur wrote in this report released yesterday, quote, our investigation uncovered as it's the president biden willfully returned in disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen. he goes on to write the presidents actions, quote, present serious risks to national security but then later in the report hur conceded that the evidence quote, does not establish mr. biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. the special counsel wrote that the president cut also portray himself at trial as a elderly man with a poor memory who would be sympathetic to a jury. hur's description -- >> a neurologist and a lawyer? >> let me just finish, but i

agree. >> but we kind of the to stop there. a neurologist we -- >> are talking about hur. >> from trump university. but i have to stop right here. i know we want to go on in finish this report, but i just have to start, ken dilanian, so bizarre, and there are so many people that immediately heard these random conclusions, irrelevant conclusions, politically-charged trump like ramblings. first of all, i wondered why in the world you would put that in the report, his neurological assessment of joe biden, and secondly, why merrick garland would release garbage like that in the justice department report. can you give us any insight, because it sure sounds like james comey in 2016, who july,

could not indict hillary clinton legally, and so we decided to hold a press conference and indict her politically. >> joe, i understand where you're coming from on that. i think a lot of people feel that way, but let me give you the explanation that i have heard from justice department officials and some insight into why that was in there. it did seem gratuitous for a lot of people. if robert hur is saying that i have evidence that joe biden willfully retain classified information, that in fact he didn't just find those documents in 2022 like we all thought, but he actually found them in 2017, and he has recorded saying that to his ghost writer. so why isn't he charging him? well he has to explain that. so the explanation is, joe biden said he didn't remember. he was recorded saying, i found classified documents in my house in virginia to the ghost writer. he has recorded disclosing classified information to the ghost writer in this report, but he says that he forgot

that. so rob hur has to explain that in fact the larger context here is that mr. biden has forgotten a lot of things. he forgot the dates that he was vice president, according to this report. he forgot at one point during the interview when his son died. he forgot a key figure in the afghanistan debate that he cared a lot of bout, which side of the debate he was on. so rob hur felt like he had no choice i am told but to lay out in detail the faults that he found with joe biden's memory and explain how that would be perceived in front of a jury, because he's going to have to go to congress and justified to a bunch of angry republicans want donald trump is being charged for retaining classified documents but joe biden isn't. so that is the explanation, a lot of people may not like, it maybe people thought he went too far, and you know, i've obviously heard from people who speak for mr. biden who say, look, how did rob hur evaluate's memory in the five hour interview? i've been with him for years and i think his memory is a lot better than that. that is a fair point i think.

rob hur is ultimately going to have to go to congress in its root for this, but that is the explanation. >> it's so gratuitous, and john heilemann, something else that jumped out again is the word willfully, they willfully retain the documents. you go a couple hundred pages in, and he goes, it's natural to assume that mr. biden put the afghanistan documents in a box on purpose. when they were there, quote, there is in fact a shortage of evidence on these points. so 200 pages earlier he goes, he willfully -- and then 200 pages later, well, we actually don't have evidence on that point. he did that a couple of times throughout here. it certainly seems like a politically-charged document. it used to be pre-james comey. you could either indict somebody or you wouldn't indict somebody, but now in the political sphere, again, james comey cannot indict hillary clinton during a presidential election legally, and so what

does he do? he holds a press conference, and invites her politically. same thing happened yesterday. there are so many -- and we are going to go through these. it is one thing that he did like. he talked about the distinctions between donald trump, who live, stole, live, hid, obstructed, lied again. how does lawyers lie under oath. continue to lie, continue to hide, continue to obstruct, told his employees to lie on and on and on. joe biden turned it over immediately. of course i don't expect liars another news channels or liars another parties that actually tell the truth. they respect him to do that, but there are those clear distinctions. but even here though, john heilemann, you have a situation where he says time and time again, we don't really have the evidence that he willfully in took and retain this evidence.

>> first show, i will say before we started the program, i was saying to chuck rosenberg saying here, can you explain to me how this is different from what jim comey did in what we think of in 2016 as comey won, his first ever session in the election. in the case you referred to in july, i think of 2016. and i, like you, emerald enough to remember when prosecutors either charge somebody, and the charging document, or they issued a declension and it said that we declined to prosecute. chuck i think is going to talk about something i don't know is much about, and the detail of it, the difference between back in those days when we had the counsel statute and what we have now where we have a special counsels and what the regulations are and what they have to do. i will say that there is no doubt in my mind that this special prosecutor could have written the same report without using these words, elderly man

with a port memory. like you, i'm a simple country journalist. i have a lot of different ways to say this without saying something like this. >> john, i'm a simple country lawyer, and i know, what is the headline? watching the headline from this report? not indicted. >> not guilty. >> not the evidence to indict him! it is not there, and the clear difference is, as he wrote between trump and biden, that should be. hold on, john, do you think this guy is so naive? do you think that this guy is so stupid? do you think this guy is so clueless that he did not know by putting words in that donald trump would love for him to put in there, that that wasn't going to be the headline for the new york post? that wouldn't be on every -- do

you think the guy knew? he is a trump or who knew. so why in the world would the justice department allow that dicta to be in their. it is gratuitous! and he knows it is gratuitous, and it was bad faith. it was bad faith that he did, it and it was even worse judgment that addresses department allowed that garbage to be released. >> right, and i think that's not raising the second point. joe, i am continually stunned by people who i think should know better in washington d.c. who turned out to be just that naive or just that stupid. i've never met this man, i'm not going to impede his motives, i never spoken about it, but i will say that i think you, john lemire, willie geist, chuck rosenberg at least, i think we all would've known that if you wrote elderly men with poor memories that that would end up right here on the

washington post -- the new york post and will be echoed in donald trump's mouth, et cetera et cetera. we all want to know that, i don't know if the special counsel did know that. i do think that you've raised a really fundamental question, and it's a question that from what i hear inside the biden administration is that a lot of the fury last night was directed maybe more at merrick garland. >> for good reason. >> at hur, because of the fact they always thought the special counsel was unnecessary, the facts here suggest that they may be wrong about that. since the things that biden is found to have done here and some of the evidence of the special counsel brought to bear just in terms of how badly mishandled some of the classified documents were, they may be wrong that this -- garland may have been right to appoint the special counsel to look into this for a variety of reasons, but they have been mad at him since then, and now they're really mad at him, because the question of why you allow this report to come out with this language and it, that

does rest in merrick garland's hands, it does rest in his lap so to speak. that is where i think the buck may stop here when we ultimately talk about who is responsible. >> it is such a repeated james comey, and the fact -- james comey writing the letter he did ten days beforehand, acting like hey, i'm just playing down the middle. really? and for merrick garland to not learn from 2016 that actually when you are involved politically, when you're involved in a political situation like this that you don't actually take care to be careful at what you do? he didn't, comey didn't. hur, just like comey, decided that i would put myself a middle of this campaign. >> we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe: weekend continues after a short break. joe: weekes after a short break. were you worried the wedding would be too much?

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so chuck rosenberg, the morning was dominated course by the supreme court, and we heard or they heard oral arguments based on colorado's efforts to take donald trump off of the ballot. it seemed, for those of us listening along, from the audio stream provided that the justice just weren't buying it. they were pretty sympathetic to want donald trump's lawyers are saying, and certainly there is a suggestion that trump is going to remain on that ballot. give us your assessment, some of your major takeaways from what was truly a historic day at the court. >> a fascinating day, i kind of nerd out a little bit on that, jonathan. the colorado voters, the plaintiffs, the ones who brought the case challenging mr. trump's eligibility to be on the ballot had a very tough path to navigate. they had to win essentially on seven or eight questions, including whether mr. trump

took an oath that would subject him to the operation that disqualification provision, whether the president sees covered by the 14th amendment section three removal provision, a whole bunch of questions. and so the odds of them winning at the outset we will tivoli small, but i was surprised a little bit by what seemed to be the unanimity of the court, liberal and conservative justices. for instance, justice ketanji brown jackson suggested, i think stated that the 14th amendment post civil war was not created to give more power to the states such as colorado to make determinations about federal elections, that really to constrain the states. so she thought that the colorado voters position was flipped, they were off, that they were wrong. that the intent behind the amendment, again, was to constrain the states, and that

was a position that -- seem to embrace, the chief justice roberts seemed to embrace. there are a lot of path for trump to win here and for the colorado voters to lose. i was a little surprised by the apparent unanimity. it strikes me that it is going to be a lopsided decision, not as close as some people might have imagined it to be. lots of reasons for that. i found it very interesting. i would be very surprised, jonathan as i sit here, if mr. trump did not prevail. >> gentlemen, the new york times headline says, supreme court appears set to rule that states can't disqualify trump, and the headline on the wall street journal, trump ballot spot appears safe. do you agree from what you heard yesterday? >> yeah winter percent, i think china completely right. it is really so interesting listening to the liberal justices, because it's clearly against their partisan interests to argue the way that

they were, and to see it the way that they did, and so it's awesome for us, all right? be intellectually honest, and when elena kagan spoke first, i remember the moment that she really take the air out of the balloon of people that wanted to see donald trump excluded from the ballot. she said wait a second, does really make sense that one state could decide this for the rest of the nation? and then she went on to sort of argue and explain why she thought the 14th amendment did not say what the plaintiffs are saying that it said, and ketanji brown jackson points out that the presidency is not one of the lists of office specifically enumerated in that provision that would be excluded. so it was a fascinating day, it was an interesting day. reading the text of the constitution and learning about the intent of the people who wrote the 14th amendment. and at the end of the day, if people want to get rid of donald trump, they are going to have to vote against him, he is not going to be excluded from the ballot. >> up next, we will talk to

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had a big verdict, and more than that, we just saw that he is disclosure, is campaign disclosures, he just paid 47 different law firms $50 million of campaign donations that came into his campaign. if you see that, and he hasn't even gotten started on all of these cases, for the next year he will be setting a courtroom. >> meanwhile, nbc news has learned that january was the haley campaign's best fundraising month to date, bring in 16 point $5 million with 11.7 million coming from grassroots and small dollar donations. incredible. joining us now from new orleans, senior political columnist for politico jonathan martin. his latest police is titled, forget no labels, biden's third- party peril is on the left. and jonathan, you write in part this, it is the left that presents the most acute peril to the president.

the u.n. administration since the danger more then vice president kamala harris. from holiday parties to a dinner at a residence last month for a group of prominent black man, harris has been telling sympathetic democrats outside of the white house that she recognizes the political challenge posed by biden's unwavering public support for israel. i'm told by officials familiar with her comments at the events. part of the presidents challenge, particularly with younger democrats deriving the news almost entirely from social media, is they don't hear of biden pushing netanyahu behind the scenes. there is a hate this in love the sinner element to biden's approach to israel that some in gen z can't fully grasp. >> so jonathan, fascinating. you have most immigrants fearing what is going to happen from no labels independent candidates. would you say that the danger

comes from within joe biden's own party? >> well, or the far left folks that would otherwise be democrats, joe, but are now sort of radicalized. democrats have touch the stove twice in the last quarter century, right? they lost in 2000 of course in part because of ralph nader on the left, and lost and 16 in part because of jill stein on the left, and it's a more acute challenge now because you have a conflict in the middle east radicalizing younger voters, and leaving them to say, as the old line joe that you know so well, there is not a dime's worth of difference between the two parties. if younger voters believe that in october of this year the vote for biden's know better than a vote for trump in the middle east, that is not going to get them off their couch. if it does, they are going to pull the lever for jill stein or a cornell west or a bobby kennedy. i think that this is a numbers

game, guys, and this is a campaign that is going to be won or lost at the margins. if biden loses 30,000 votes in ann arbor michigan or madison, wisconsin, that is the election right there. >> so jonathan, you certainly just spell that effectively the problems from a third party candidate with progressive voters, but what about voters of color, particularly black voters who this president has been in erosion of support at times. you mentioned cornell west, maybe it is rfk junior. what is the level of concern there. not just that it third party candidate could draw away progressive, a part of what should be considered the democratic base, black voters. >> yeah, that is a enthusiasm challenge that is significant that i think the biden folks recognize that they have to work on, but i think it's not totally separate from his challenges on the far left. i'm talking to democrats last week for my column. one of the things that stuck out to me was black pastors

starting to criticize biden on the middle east. one congressman told me a black pastor took him aside and said, what is going on with this war in gaza, because my parishioners are starting to bring this up. that is a black church. that's not the barista in madison, wisconsin. it is a real challenge, jon, and that includes black voters to. >> jonathan, i'll sharpton. when you talk about the black churches and others that have raised the question, and that is clearly the case. i certainly came out strong when january -- october 7th happened, but clearly i'm disturbed with netanyahu, i'm to start with what is going on in gaza. the fact that you are raising this though, do you think if the biden campaign made a clear distinction, i mean without trying to have it both ways, but they are not supporting netanyahu and in fact dealing

with other issues, that this can deal with the enthusiasm question? because i think someone on the far left will be far left, but i think that mainstream black vote that is no questioning, all of us are, are saying that there is no real straightforward language and what is going on here. straightforward language and what is going on here. >> there is a reluctance, reverent, on that. the biden folks are trying to get this moon shot deal in the middle east, and i think to do that, you can't really come out against netanyahu because they're trying to get a deal with the israelis and the saudis in which they would be some path words a two-state solution. you would also get a security deal between the u.s. and the saudis, in the saudis would recognize israel as a state. and i think if you are going to get that kind of a deal, it is a long shot obviously. you can't really cut ties with the prime minister of israel during negotiations. but there is no question that

there is immense pressure on biden to start suddenly taking steps away from bibi. you saw last week. it was a modest step, but biden coming up with that order and leveling sanctions on a handful of settlers in the west bank. it was, i was told by folks in the white house, a step toward the sort of left-wing base of the party of, we are not just rolling over for bibi. >> but if you look at the numbers, david ignatius, i am reminded on israel, on gaza, i'm reminded of abraham lincoln and his warning that with public opinion you can get anything accomplished. without it, you can get nothing accomplished. you look at joe biden's numbers on the handling of israel and large part because younger voters have started

dramatically away from israel. it is hard to see. how does joe biden continue moving forward with this support for israel the way that he has over the last several months. >> joe, my feeling is that the president and his team really do need to sell this very ambitious policy that they have embarked on, which is a effort to make a broad regional peace in the middle east to the country. to fire up the idealism of the younger voters that jonathan is talking about. this is a big effort. my friend martin indyk, u.s. ambassador to israel, describes biden's effort this way. he's either going to make netanyahu swallow the fraud, meaning except this piece still for a palestinian state that we believe as part of a regional security, or gag on the frog, me that his government will fall in the new government that is more interested to try to

negotiate with us will come into power in israel. that is a big ambition. the president needs to convey it to the country, and i hope, i put this to jonathan, if he did that more forcefully, would people listen to? it are people ready to hear that. what do you think? >> actually mention that, david, in my piece, the possibility of if there is this two month cease-fire that they're trying to negotiate right now over in paris, if that deal does get done, there is some talk about biden giving a public speech addressing people in the u.s. and the middle east about the importance of that longer term framework that you're talking about for a regional deal. i think that biden would in fact do that, and i think obviously they would try to get it out to younger voters and to try to make the case that biden is proactively trying to get peace in this region that you care about so much. i am not so sure that it would reach the folks where the most radicalized, but obviously it would do so good for people who are at least on the fence.

but guys, a big challenge here is that these voters are not consuming traditional media, and i think the white house is dealing with this. one of the issues is, do we get biden on tiktok? because a lot of these gen z voters, the kids if you will, are living on tiktok, and that is where we're seeing all these images come from. >> that's where they're getting their news. senior political columnist for politico, jonathan martin, thank you very much. his new piece is online now. the washington post, david ignatius, thank you as well. his latest piece for the papers entitled, the u.s. tax hard towards a mid east moment of truth. >> coming up, why we are seeing a decline in the number of women running companies. that important conversation is next. versation is next. with the majority of my patients with sensitivity i see irritated gums and weak enamel. sensodyne sensitivity gum and enamel it relieves sensitivity helps restore gum health and rehardens enamel. i am a big advocate

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we're taking a look at a surprising trend among another top businesses in global leaders. unexpected resignations. just last week, the ceo of h&m alina how merson rocked the fashion world and the company's stock prices when she abruptly announced she was stepping down. the move comes as h&m reported lower sales and earnings and missed analyst expectations. she has spent 26 years of the company including four years as

ceo, cited a lack of energy for the demanding role. her resignation is part of a larger potential trend in leadership turnover from ras brewer of walgreens and whitney wulf heard leaving their ceo jobs last fall. and remember, the resignations of scottish first minister nicola sturgeon and new zealand prime minister jacinda adjourn of the world stage. here to discuss is formed when an editor maggie mcgrath and vice chair of the forbes know you're 30 50 summit, huma abedin. she's also an msnbc contributor and co-host of mourning mika. so maggie, your team at forbes women has been reporting about female ceos and how they tend to receive more pressure, more blame from shareholders, peers, and media when the companies are going through a crisis. will you make of this latest resignation at h&m and what it says about the larger gender dynamics in the c-suite.

>> well mika, it is always concerning when we have a female ceo step down and get replaced by email ceo, which is what happened at h&m. because women are so underrepresented in the c-suite of the world's largest companies. but to get to the gender dynamics that you alluded to, we know from research that women are 50% more likely to be named the ceo of a company in crisis than a company not in crisis. so they are getting tapped to lead during times of trouble. that is a vote of confidence perhaps, but we also know from other research that women are more likely to get the blame for their company struggles than their male counterparts are. when you get the blame 80% of the time, man get the blame 31% of the time. what is interesting in the case of the h&m ceo transition here is that a lot of the reports, as you did note, say that h&m sales are down january in december, sales are down 4%

year over year, and so there are financial troubles here, but helmersson took the helm of the company in january 2020. she's not exaggerating when she says that she has had a very chilling set of market environment conditions to navigate as ceo. she said in a press conference that she doesn't quite have the energy to continue leading, and that is something that we have heard from those other leaders who have stepped down in the last year. so my big question is, what are the conditions that america's corporate boards and other sea suites are putting in place to allow female leaders to succeed? because i think ultimately what we want to see our sustainable long term ten years. >> and i also wonder if you could take a look at how many male ceos leave their jobs and actually get better jobs, because in my career, i've seen so many men get fired and manage up higher, and women don't, but that is just my

anecdotal experience. huma, it is not all bad news. take for example joanna garraty, recently named ceo of jetblue, becoming the first woman to lead a major u.s. airline carrier. >> well i think it is important for us to champion the first, and the positive changes that are happening with women leaders at the top because we all say representation matters, it's important for young women to see that, and she is the first woman to run a major u.s. airline. there have been other countries, other airlines have done that. maggie was just referring to what we call the glass cliff, which is where women are given jobs at the top when the company is in crisis or there is trouble, but she has real experience. she has two decades at jetblue. there is this talk of a merge it with spirit airlines that is complicated, and one of the things that we need to keep reminding people's women with experience can make a change, can make a difference.

i think having a woman who -- more women to serve on the boards because they are the ones who have to make decisions about dismissing some of these leaders. but i think it's great, and it's exciting news. i look forward to seeing what she does at the home. >> we will be talking a lot about women in leadership at the forbes and know your value 30 50 summit, which is less than a month away. we have a powerful lineup of speakers, including seniors shania twain, former liberian president ellen johnson's early, personal finance expert susie ormonde, and more. maggie, today we have a mother now spent. a woman who is a state by new york magazine as one of the best tiktokers to follow, who is she? >> she is drea okay. she is a nigerian american influencer and creator. she has appeared on the forbes 30 under 30 list and our top creators list for her account, andrea knows best. jacqui started a career as an engineer. i love this, social media was

recycle, but it's what she loved, and she has amassed 7 million followers across tiktok and instagram. she is known for her comedic takes on measuring food in culture and life. but it's not just that. she is an online class for people who use tiktok on how to understand the platform, how to grow your audience, how to understand the algorithm, because she really believes that if you are an expert in something, you should share that knowledge with other people so that they can level up. i think that so embodies the ethos of the 30 50 summit, and we just have so much to learn from her. she is a lot to teach our audience. i think i might say in this class, is because i know nothing about tiktok. but we are so thrilled to have her on the stage. >> coming up next, we will tell you about the frightening new warning about shiny cyberattacks on some u.s. infrastructure. we will be right back with that. frastructure. we will be right back with that. there's nothing better than a subway series footlong. except when you add on an all new footlong sidekick.

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chinese hackers have been lurking inside systems that are critical to u.s. infrastructure for years. that is from in assessment released by the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency in partnership with the fbi and nsa. the agencies issued a joint cybersecurity advisory, saying that they believe chinese state sponsored cyber actors are trying to position themselves to cause, quote, disruptive or destructive cyberattacks against u.s. critical infrastructure in the event of a major crisis or conflict with the united states. they say one group known as volt typhoon has already compromised the i.t. environments of multiple organizations in different critical sectors in the economy. in some cases, the agencies found the group has had access

for at least five years. this is ominous. joining us now, the former director of cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency chris krebs. he is chief public policy officer at the cybersecurity company sentinel one. chris, this sounds absolutely frightening. are we talking about banking institutions or government institutions? what do we know? >> they for sure hit government institutions, including in the military in the defense industrial base. we have seen prior activity against banks for sure, but as they point out, this is a lot of that court infrastructure in the intent is to take this infrastructure down in a time of escalated tensions with china, and undermine services provided to you and me, just average citizens here in the u.s., and cause societal panic and chaos so that we ultimately start to question our leadership, and this is very

much a technical attack as it is a psychological attack. >> hey chris, this has been going on for five years according to the reports. what do you figure, or what do you know was done in response defensively over the past five years. what are our capabilities in putting them off or even engaging in the same sort of subterfuge within china? >> well to actually step back, this is a activity, whether it's russia, iran, or china, has been going back to the bush administration. for personal experience, i can tell you that we have been tracking chinese activity against critical infrastructure. one of the earliest, most significant that i can recall is about 2013 against the natural gas pipeline in the midwest. so we very much been aware of this activity, and there are a range of different tools, and i think we have discussed this before, but there is deterrence where you go out and you actually disrupt the activity. we saw last week the fbi announced that they had

disrupted a iot botnet, which is basically a bunch of devices connected to the internet that the chinese could used to conduct a denial of service attack or overwhelm a website or a company, but there is also denial by deterrence, and that is what this report represents. this is getting information, technical information in the hands of the defenders. companies, we can take, this and our competitors and we take this and we loaded up and we make sure that our customers -- you're not gonna be able to catch every aero, and so we have to be prepared. we have to be more vigilant. this threat is not going away at all. we are so digitally dependent, and every mistake creates an opportunity for the bad guys. >> former director of the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency chris krebs, keep us posted on this. thank you very much for coming in this morning. >> we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe: weekend continues after a short break. ing joe: ws after a short break.

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hibernation because we still have an issue, an issue named tray. >> i was truly the? issue >> your fiancie got me off. out, trey got me out of the ticket. >> that guy. >> that was a scene from the new nbc sitcom extended family. the show was a divorced couple, stay with me, kim and julia, who continue to raise their kids at their family home, but the parent faces an unexpected twist when julia falls in love with trey, who owns his favorite sports team, the boston celtics, in the show's executive producer and star gianna crier plays jim in joins us now. great to have you on the show. where did this concept come from? >> it came from life, mika. it is inspired by -- the boston celtics. he and his wife sharon apartment with her ex husband,

george, and they have somehow managed to remain the best friends despite their divorce, and actually what drew me to the show was that they have managed to retain that wonderful bit of friendship that brought them together in the first place for the sake of their kids, and so we are hoping that it's kind of a out of the box divorce that people can fall in love with. >> and also, maybe, and i'm just curious, the sort of -- what this show does to the whole concept of divorce being so negative. there are a lot of couples that co-parent that remained friends who are divorced, and i wonder if there is an attempt here or a focus on looking at that kind of relationship, and not always in the most negative way.

>> well, yes divorce can be brutal, it's hard on people, and we're not trying to sort of make light of that, and we are going to say that you can find positives in any new phase of your life and that that is what we are trying to do. obviously, this is a very specific situation. not everybody is ex-wife variously owner of their favorite sports team. i'm sure that it happens, i'm sure -- but it is fairly rare. >> so jon, going up outside of boston, a celtics fan to this day, and i see -- as one of the executive producers of this. how did that go? was he sort of -- was either part of this, like no this happened, this didn't happen, talk to us about this process? >> they absolutely do. amelia and george absolutely trying to on the show. george gear, the guy who my characters based on is in the rise room all of the time and

they will very often say no i don't buy this at all, but they often come up with story ideas. george had promised a friend that he would help him get into their kids school, and the george realized that he forgot and had to call his wife to come in, his ex-wife rather to come and save the day. we have an episode about that. it's about the bonds of friendship that silky thing together. >> that does it for the saturday edition of morning joe. we will see saturday at six a.m.. the weekend starts right now. t steele. the big news breaking overnight, the special counsel in the trump appointed judge in the mar-a-lago documents case, it is coming to a head.