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stay tuned. the katie phang show starts right now. right now. i am katie phang live from telemundo studios in miami florida. and here is the week. >> way better than 2 to 1 margin, none of these candidates finishes first in the nevada republican primary. >> dumps it is in front by three judge panel in washington, really mr. trump is not immune from prosecution. >> within 24 hours of bailing that agreement, they abandoned bipartisan border reform and ukraine for one reason, because donald trump asked them. >> the jury found jennifer crumbley, the mother of the school shooter, guilty on four counts of involuntary manslaughter. >> i think that the question that you have to confront is why a single state should decide who gets to be president of the united states. >> i want this one more than i've ever won a super bowl in

my life. >> the long awaited report by special counsel robert hur concludes that no criminal charges against president biden are warranted. the special counsel's report offers scathing details of what it calls a diminished faculties and faulted memories. >> take a look at what i've done since i became president. no one capacity the things that i got passed. how did that happen? you know? i guess i just forgot what was going on. >> the majority failed to impeach homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, and then they failed to pass a bill for aid to israel. >> last time was a setback, but democracy is messy. >> quote, this was a riot, it was not an insurrection. the events were shameful, criminal, violent, all of those things, but did not qualify as insurrection as that term is used in section three. now that was donald trump's lawyer conceding to the united states supreme court that january six was criminal and violent, definitely not a tourist visit to the u.s. capitol.

we have the latest on what's next now that scotus has one of donald trump's many criminal cases. in a good saturday morning to you all. we will have the latest on all of the legal ins and outs of trump world with a blockbuster panel, some of our best and brightest legal minds in just a few minutes. but first, we begin today's show with the white house on the defense following the release of special counsel robert hur's report on president biden's handling of classified documents. hur concluded that no criminal charges were warranted and that there was an absence of direct evidence of biden's intent to violate the law. yet at the same time, his report concluded that biden's actions presented quote serious risks to national security. the report also took shots at biden's age in memory, including language that was

highly partisan and unnecessary to hur's job to determine if the president committed a crime. officials are blasting the report as politically motivated and disputing that biden even shared classic five information with a ghost writer. and so far, one republican lawmakers calling for the invoking of the 25th amendment to remove the president from office. joining me now is nbc news white house correspondent aaron gilchrist live from wilmington, delaware with more. erin, good afternoon. what is the plan now for the biden administration moving forward after the release of hur's report? >> well katie, we saw an angry president biden thursday night after the report came out. i don't think you are going to see a lot more of that. the president isn't likely to be out on the campaign trail or the white house for that matter addressing this issue over and over again, but i also think that we got a pretty decent preview of what will happen from vice president kamala harris in from the white house counsel's office yesterday.

the vice president speaking at another event or an unrelated event i should say, took time to address one question, it was a question about this report, and how it talked about president biden. she went into detail about what happened in the days after this president sat for the interview that led to this report and talked about how he was engaged and running the show with his national security team in the days after the attack by hamas and israel, and the vice president used that moment as an example of how the president is capable and able to do his job. she also spoke a little bit about that moment in the context of the language that was in the report that we saw from robert hur. i want you to hear a little bit about what the vice president had to say. >> the way that the presidents demeanor in that report was characterized could not be more wrong on the facts and clearly,

politically motivated. gratuitous. >> and the vice president, as a former prosecutor, went on to say that as a legal document, this report was not something that was appropriate, as others have indicated. at the same time, the other thing that we are going to see as the days and weeks go on is what we saw from the white house counsel's office. a spokesperson in the stands taking the podium at the white house yesterday during the press grew briefing in talking about some of the inconsistencies incorrect information, according to him, that were in the report. he also took the media to task, saying that the news media latched onto elements in that report and ran with it as opposed to taking them for what they were or taking the president at his word when he described parts of the report as being inaccurate and unfair as well. there is also the reality i think, katie, that we are seeing come from folks who are connected to the biden white house into the biden campaign. sources have told us that we can expect to see people who meet with the president regularly out there now more

often talking about their experiences, talking about how on it he is in conversations with other people when it comes to policies that he has advanced in policies that he wants to continue to advance. but at this point katie, it doesn't seem as though we are going to see the president himself out there trying to refute some of the details that we have seen come out in the robert hur report. >> other than what we've seen him do already. nbc news white house correspondent and bill chris, thank you so much for being here. let's turn now to capitol hill, where house republicans are planning to waste americas time and money again while they take another run and impeaching dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas. house minority leader steve scalise, who is expected back next week after undergoing cancer treatment, indicated on friday that is second to mayorkas impeachment vote would come on tuesday night. but with a razor-thin majority, success may be elusive. mayorkas survived a 214 to 216 vote earlier this week with congressman al green casting a decisive no vote after rushing to the floor from the hospital after having abdominal surgery.

meanwhile, the senate is working through this weekend, hammering out funding for ukraine and israel, something house speaker mike johnson has yet to commit holding a vote on. joining me now is democratic florida congressman jared moskowitz, a number of house oversight and accountability committee, and the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, we are going to get to the dysfunction on capitol hill, which is -- for you, but i want to briefly discuss the hur report and i wanna make it a very limited discussion, because really i think that's only what it merits to be honest. you see the biden harris 2024 campaign going on the attack, reacting the trump speech last night with a statement calling trump confused and deranged and giving a list of what they say is more than two dozen examples of him lying in his speech. you know jerry, if we put trump's record next to biden's record, biden's record blows him away. do you think the gloves should come off even more? >> thanks, kate thanks for having me.

i thought with the president and by going on the microphone and going on the offensive was good. i would like to see more of that. i don't think he was being defensive. i think quite frankly he was showing what was in the report was completely false, right? if the guy, as they want to say doesn't know what he's doing, he seemed, now going and mixing it up with the press i think is important. i love what happened with peter doocy when peter said oh, what about your memory, and he said my memory is so bad that i actually gave you a question. just like that, super quick. and so i thought that was really smart. look, i think they have to remind the american people that both people are running are in their 80s, they're both elderly gentleman, and the slip ups kind of happened. we saw president trump makes up the leaders of hungary and turkey, it might even hungry for turkey, but he makes up the lead of that country, but no one cared about that, when president biden makes up the leader of egypt and mexico, all of a sudden that is a huge story. trump does this all of the time. and deposition, he looked at a picture of the woman that he

assaulted and said, oh, that's his ex-wife. wang, he felt dictionary. the speaker yesterday confused iran and israel. he said he supported iran, we know mister speaker you don't support iran, you support israel. we saw jesse waters mix-up kristi noem, whether she was the governor south dakota or the governor of south carolina. so these missteps happen. but the press wants to make a big deal when it is joe biden. but when donald trump says that biden is going to start world war ii, which by the, way happened in the 40s, we kind of gloss over it. so i want to see the white house go on the defensive, quite frankly. >> well i don't gloss over it, and i think the critical part of the hur report is no charges, in the compare some criminal tent between biden and trump that resulted in trump getting indicted. but let's move on, let's go to capitol hill. you are stomping grounds. republicans are saying that they're going to try again on tuesday to impeach dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas.

house already has a full plate though. the congressman with multiple spending bills, a looming government funding deadline coming up once again, groundhog day it right in march. the 118th congress is living up to its title as the least productive in u.s. history. at least courtesy of the republicans, right? >> this is a historic congress. let's look at our achievements, right? we had never tried to remove a speaker in 100 years, it hadn't happened 100 years. it always succeeded, which had never happened before. and so that is historic. we've been expelled a member. that goes down in history books, it only happened a couple of times. now we're impeaching a cabinet secretary that has not been 150 years. and, oh they failed on the first attempt because apparently marjorie taylor greene said oh, we were hiding democrats. marjorie would be happy if we were hiding in the attack again, by the way. i mean, the whole thing is just ridiculous. it is completely failure. theater on their part. it leads to the chaos of this

entire conversation. it's not done one thing for the american people. lisa productive congress in modern history. and so, look they will try this again with steve scalise, who obviously is battling cancer. we have a sleep pray for him and make sure he can defeat cancer, but yeah, they will try to get this done. they will do it now by one vote. it was interesting is they want to get this done before the election in new york. there is a special election to replace -- in new york. if the democrats win this, they won't have the votes to impeach mayorkas. so they will break 150 year history by one vote. this is dead in the senate, it has no future there. and yet this is what they want to waste on the american peoples time on instead of trying to figure out how we can lower costs for the american people. >> and let's also talk about history repeating itself in a bad way. i want you to take a quick listen jared to what congresswoman elise stefanik said when she was asked if she would certify the vote if she had been in the place of vice president on january six 2021. take a quick listen. >> i would not have done what mike pence did. i don't think there was a right

approach. i specifically stand by what i said on the house floor, and i stand by my statement. >> constitutional overreach? >> i mean the sycophancy, the kowtowing is disgusting, frankly, but stefanik is being viewed as a vp pick. putting aside whether that was an audition for that role though, how much do comments like, that the fly in the face of the law, the fly in the face of normalized rules and procedures, how much does that concern you? >> well first, let's get something. up and you are not big fans of mike pence, but mike pence made in the hero of that moment. he did his job, he didn't bow to the pressure of donald trump, which made him different in that moment because many others did in that moment, and are continuing to bow to him, as we see donald trump say blame me, blame me for wanting to kill the bill that would've secured the border. and so look, this is par for the course for republicans

right now. donald trump owns them. they were afraid of him. he sent out a tweet, he can ruin their career. they know, this donald knows this, it's all of these republicans will break the law. there are very few of them that will do so. we saw a couple of republicans of the house, right, vote against mayorkas impeachment. it's ending up in the constitution, they should get credit. there's a couple of senators that are still against donald trump before. we need them to stand up again. but these are the exception, they are not the rule. the majority of these republicans will do whatever donald trump says, and we saw that when he killed the border. they were like, yes that we need to secure the border. in fact, this was their bill. they said, we can't do ukraine, we can to israel if we don't secure the border at home. democrats said okay, let's make a deal. we made a deal. most conservative border bill in american history, and what does donald trump say? no, not my watch, because i knew that on the election, and all of a sudden you see a sea change. port monmouth eastern afternoon saying that by the evening he

had to change positions, and that everybody in the caucus in the senate against a leader on the bill. this is what we are headed for. >> americans need to be paying attention always at the fault of republicans. congressman jared moskowitz, thank you for being here this morning. i appreciate it. and still to come on the katie phang show, while trump's legal team is working in overtime drive to reveal the identity of witnesses in his classified document case. and now federal eye prosecutors are fighting to keep them safe. florida's ballot battle that could -- enshrine abortion access in the state's constitution. if you can actually make it to the ballot in november. the katie phang show we'll be right back. right back. protect against rsv with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems

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by voting yes on prop e. a common sense solution that ensures we use community safety cameras to catch repeat offenders and hold them accountable. vote yes on e. justice never sleeps, and neither does the department of justice, which hasn't taken the weekend off in the mar-a-lago classified documents case. you special counsel jack smith. he -- to provide trump's legal team with an unredacted piece of discovery that could expose sensitive information, including the names of potential witnesses all thanks to a new order from judge aileen cannon. earlier this week, special counsel jack smith issued a scathing response to cannons willing to share evidence with trump's team, calling it quote, clear error and saying the move would potentially expose the witnesses to significant immediate risks of threats, intimidation, and harassment. and this is just the tip of the

iceberg. forget another historic week for the twice impeached quadruple indicted ex president. the dc circuit court of appeals unanimously ruled that citizen trump is not immune to prosecution for his treasonous acts on january six. trump's legal team has until monday to file an application for eight -- of the mandate mueller to petition the supreme court who we know just heard oral arguments on thursday as to whether the twice impeached quadruple indicted disgraced one term ex president can be on the ballot in november. buckle up folks, we are just getting started. joining me now are truly some of the very best in the business. former u.s. attorney msnbc legal analyst and a co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast joyce vance. former fbi general counsel, msnbc legal analyst and the coauthor of the new book the trump indictments, the historic charging documents with commentary coming out in two weeks, which is andrew weissmann, and attorney, contributor for the atlantic and the co-host of the new podcast george conway explains it all to sarah longwell, we have george conway, who is

hanging out with taylor swift in las vegas. george, i'm gonna start with you, because you know what. all so george, i want you to explain to me why we are struck with aileen cannon, why the 11th circuit standard for recusal of judge cannon just might be too high of a burden for jack smith to carry. >> i think recruiting the motion is very very difficult, it is very very difficult to make the recruits will of motions on the basis of prior judicial decisions, even if the decisions are out of whack. but the one thing that could happen, and i defer to joyce on this on all things involving the 11th circuit, but one of the things that can happen, and i've seen it happen in my own circuit, in the second circuit, is that judges can get reassigned sometimes when they are mishandling a case, and they do so egregiously. and i've heard that in the 11th circuit, you get three strikes. joyce can correct me on this, but this judge clearly has already two strikes against her given what happened when she tried to block the doj

investigation and impeded with the special master. >> joyce, i will go to you then, because george wants to defer to you on this particular issue. i wanted to speak specifically about that standard to be able to get cannon recused from this case. >> well george is spot on. judges typically are not recused from cases unless they have some sort of a conflict, a financial conflict or familial conflict. this is a very different situation where we are looking at the way the judge has conducted herself in regard to a specific defendant, and those recusals are rare. if jack smith were to file a motion asking the judge to recuse, she would be obligated under the rules to write a written response, either defending herself or recusing herself, and there is some benefit to going through that process, but i think it would have been beneficial earlier in this case as opposed to now when we should be on the verge of trial and aren't. so to georgia's point about the

11th circuit, it is exceedingly rare but not unheard of in this circuit for an 11th circuit panel hearing an oral argument to decide to ask the chief judge in a district to reassign the case on remand, and as george says, it is sort of a three strikes rule. when i've seen this happen, the panel judges have not been critical of the district judge, they have just said, given his history of repeated reversals, it would be difficult for the judge to continue to be conducting this case, so we are going to order that it be reassigned. that could happen here if say, judge cannon makes bad rulings in the hearings next week in the government appeals there. >> and so andrew now, i turn to you, let's say assuming our innuendo, we are stuck with judge cannon, but she has done something that results not only in clear air being committed by her, but that results in manifests injustice based on this really recent ruling ordering the disclosure by

today of certain information that the government has wanted to keep under wraps. talk about what the recourse is for jack smith. do we do an appeal? is it interlocutory? is it a -- what are we looking at in terms of what jack smith can do at this point? >> sure, i think is going to be fascinating to see what he does. we don't know the underlying facts, but we do have a sense of them from jack smith's submission. as you noted with respect to the concern about safety. if you put that together with what george pointed out, which is to remind everyone about judge cannon's really truly horrific history in sort of the pre indictment phase where she was reversed from the 11th circuit not once but twice and fairly scathing language. what jack smith may very well

do today is seek what is called a writ of mandate. it is a form of appeal, without getting into the technicalities, to say once again, she is really not adhering to the law here. and i do think if she is doing something that would hurt the witnesses unduly where this is the kind of thing that i think any other judge in the case would not take that step, that is the kind of thing that, depending on who the panel is, and again, i always refer to joyce and all things 11th circuit, and frankly everything else. i do think that is the kind of thing that can get an appellate panel really angry about the way in which this is handled, and that was very much what we saw and was evident in the 11th circuit's reversal of her twice, was a real concern about her disregard of classified

information of the role of the intelligence community interfering with normal criminal investigations and explicitly saying that donald trump will be treated differently and more favorably than other defendants. and she was rebuked twice, saying that is not the standard. he is to be treated no better and no worse than anyone else. so she could really be playing with fire here in this ruling, but it remains to be seen, the underlying facts in what jack smith does. i do think if he takes it up, basically as you said, fast and your seatbelts as to what could happen. >> and george, is there a distinction or difference that we need to have our viewers understand here that, at this moment, the order only calls, according to judge cannon, for jack smith to turn over that exhibit, that discovery exhibit that has the information that has otherwise not been disclosed only to the defense team and not publish it

publicly? >> i mean, that is obviously an important restriction, but the fact of the matter is, once it is in the hands of a number of people who are bold and -- i'm not questioning anyone's integrity here, if it is just something that they don't need and something that is potentially dangerous, i would assume the doj wouldn't be trying to block it if it weren't. it doesn't strike me as something that is necessary for them. >> joyce, andrew, george, they're sticking with me to break down everything after a really quick break. keep it right here on the katie phang show only on msnbc. phang show only on msnbc.

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represented donald trump for the oral arguments in the first go, he clearly dropped the presidential immunity argument smacked up in the midst of those arguments on thursday. your thoughts about the fact that he might be previewing it because kevin's had long the way in the presidential immunity thing was said. do you have a concern, joyce, that scotus i mean hasn't officially been asked to take it up yet at this point, but that decision is going to be made imminently? >> so i'm going to play appellate lawyer here and say that i resist this temptation to conflate the two cases, at least substantively. they have nothing to do with each other. they will be treated like separate cases by the justices. but of course katie, we all live in the real world and we appreciate that there is some interplay. just how much of a tolerance does this after cases involving donald trump an election year. we know the supreme court, really all supreme courts but this one in particular doesn't want to be in the position of

deciding elections. they don't even like to decide political questions. so i think that there is the possibility that although trump's lawyer was quick to preview the case, the supreme court may simply affirm the court of appeals when the immunity case comes in front of them. >> so andrew, to joyce's point, kavanaugh is the one who teed up the issue of 23 83, the insurrection act. when he asked jonathan missile, again, trump's lawyer, basically, well trump was not charged with that particular crime, which would have been a slam dunk when it came to disqualification. in your opinion, andrew, should that crime have been charged? >> yeah, i think there were two good reasons not to do it. one better than the other. one reason that could have come into play is that that is a crime that is typically not charged, and when i say, that that is an understatement. you have to go back scores and

scores and scores of years, and it would have opened up the department to the idea of selective prosecution. if not legally, at least in the court of public opinion. why are you charging this? the answer would have been, well, we've never had a former president engage in conduct like this. i think the second though is that it's almost precisely kavanaugh's point, which is that they didn't want to politicize this prosecution, and if they had brought a charge where the remedy in the statute for conviction is disqualification from running, the ball trump would have said, look, you are in fact doing this for political purposes. you are doing it to get me off of the ballots, and so i can run. and so by avoiding that particular charge, they were trying to de-politicize this to say, no, what we're doing is we thought you committed a crime. we think that the jury should

be presented without evidence, and we will see whether they agree with us. and so the issue of the remedy was not where the case was brought, and i think that is a pretty powerful argument for doing it as to why they did not bring this charge. again, this is just speculation on my part, but i think those are likely to be the two things that they were thinking about. >> but george, to these arguments, the lawyer for the colorado voters, jason murray, said the following. there is a reason section three has been dormant for 150 years. it is because we haven't -- anything like january six since reconstruction. insurrection against the constitution is something extraordinary. you know, george, to what andrew just said, nobody need donald trump crime, nobody made donald trump make the law, and if the consequence of breaking the law was disqualification from the ballot, so be it. so why is it that if there is some almost like consideration with the court of public opinion might perceive what the

doj is doing, then everybody knows that everybody thinks this is a political prosecution anyway on the republicans. why not actually go for the jugular and get as much as you can against somebody like donald trump if it indicates probable cause? >> in this particular case, because they want to conviction, and when you are charging things, i am not a criminal lawyer, i didn't prosecute, but i wrote complaints in the civil route. you don't always put everything you possibly bring. you focus on those claims that are easier, that will get you the result that you want, and the conspiracy to defraud the united states, i think is a no- brainer. i think the charge of obstruction, obstruction of official proceeding is a no- brainer, and every reason for them to just go with those, which are tried and true, and i've been working in these january six cases, and to go try to have to figure out how

he connected every single person who is out there on capitol hill that day. beyond a reasonable doubt. >> joyce, at about 30 seconds. ladies last, and you certainly are a lady, and so joyce, i will ask you about states rights, what happened to states rights on thursday, because they didn't seem to exist in the back and forth question that happens between all council and members of the highest court of our land. >> right, states right disappearing this notion that we should have a limited federal government and the state should make the bulk of decisions. with seemingly absent. and look katie, i don't overplay that hand, this is a question that has national dimensions, because we're talking about electing national candidates. this court mate will roll that one state can make decisions about candidates eligibility for the entirety of the country, but states rights are notable feature in davos, the abortion case, where the court decided to let every state make up its court mine it was not present in the courtroom this

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constitutional scrutiny. on wednesday, the conservative- leaning for the supreme court heard oral arguments over the ballot language, but notably, several justices pushed back against the florida a.g.'s case the immense language is too broad. take a quick listen to what chief justice carlos muniz has to say. >> it doesn't seem like this has to be deceptive. the people in florida aren't stupid, they can figure this out. >> the court has until april 1st to rule on the language if the makes about in surpasses the 60% super majority that is required, it would strike down the state legislatures abortion bans and enshrines reproductive rights in florida's constitution. joining me now is lauren bran's, our campaign director for floridians protecting freedom. lauren, i was pleasantly surprised by the oral arguments that we heard at the supreme court, by don't count chickens before they hatch, but do you share my optimism that may be the amendment language was clear enough that it will make about in november? >> we've always known that our

language was clear, and i think what was wonderful was to see the justices maybe they're not supporters of abortion access, but they showed a deep respect for the constitution, and that's what we've always wanted to see from this case. so we are feeling excited about the justices arguments around the constitutionality of this language in the political nature of the attorney general's arguments. >> and lauren, it's not just people having an opinion, it's actual numbers that are supporting your push here. -- from you enough finds a 62% of florida voters support the proposed abortion rights amendment. that includes 53% of republicans saying that they would vote yes. so why is it lower and then that they're such a prominent tonight between with the florida voters want in somebody what the florida a.g. wants to see happen. >> i think there are so many politicians who are out of step with how real people think about abortion. they don't want to see politicians involved in the private medical decisions. they don't take there -- to the doctor's office with them.

so this is really showing yet again, we've seen -- in states that are conservative that unfortunately their politicians were out of step with what constituents believe. >> and you know lauren, i read something that was so fascinating while i was preparing for your interview today. there was a group of former republican officials that were led by an ex lieutenant governor jennifer carroll. they filed a brief that supported your amendment, saying that the power of the people to decide for themselves to decide what their fundamental law should be so valued in florida that they should exercise extreme restraint before blocking significant shifts like yours from reaching floridians. i mean, you also see that this crosses party affiliations, the concept of people having individual freedom and liberty to decide what they want to do with their bodies as something that is not just specific to a particular party. >> no, and i think here in florida we are particularly committed to the idea that we don't want to see politicians. that cuts across party lines. not wanting to see our politicians interfere with our

private lives. it is something that is reliable to republicans, and on party affiliated voters, into democrats. and the issue of abortion has become so politically overblown, it's become such a wedge issue, when really with the people of florida are saying is that this is just health care, and i don't buy politician dictating what my doctor can do. >> let's assume learned that in november that, if on the ballot, the language is, there it passes with a 60%'s super majority that is required. do you have a concern though that you could see something happen in florida, like we're seeing happen in ohio right now where the voters speak, it passes, it achieves the super majority that is required, but in the ohio legislature for example tries to finagle away to not honor with the voters wish? >> yeah. i think that we always are going to have to vie to make sure that we restore access to reproductive health care. we know, again, politicians want this level of control. it is really sad to see that they want, that but they want to be left out of these decisions. we will keep fighting to make sure that they are left out,

because there are 84,000 patients a year to access care in florida. we are the third largest state in the nation. and women are going to be put in a serious public health crisis if abortion is further restricted here in florida. we are waiting right now for the implementation of a six- week abortion ban, and there is nowhere for patients to go in the southeast if abortion is banned for six weeks in florida. so we will fight for elections, and we will fight after elections to make sure that we are able to fully remove these politicians from these incredibly personal decisions. >> and as i say goodbye to lauren -- lauren brenzel, i will remind our viewers that you guys obtained more than 1 million signatures to be able to even get this constitutional amendment going. my hat off to you for that. april 1st, les until, mint is the date that we are looking for when we should get a decision from the florida supreme court. lauren brenzel, think you for being here and for sharing all this information. it is critically important. >> thank you so much. >> coming up next, the brother's son, the latest from

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i don't think we've ever hugged before. >> we're probably going to die, so might as well get one in before you go. >> that was a clip from netflix's brother's son in new action-packed series about two brothers separated on opposite sides of the pacific right together though by the mysterious assassin puts their father in a coma. the other brother, who has become a legendary killer in the taiwan gang, world has to protect his mother and younger brother based on the -- figure to target them. joining me now is the younger brother, one of the stars of the hit series the brother's son, sam strongly. sam, highlight of my days any time with you. let's talk substance first. this show, because i want people to know, this show was conceptualized by malaysian writers room, features on all asian cast, you have asians in front of the camera and behind

the camera. as we continue to see these types of breakouts for a.i. p representation, how does it make you to feel a part of this next june of api representation. >> first of all, it's such a pleasure to meet you, this is really exciting to be here and to talk about this. it's incredible, it's incredible. i feel like in a lot of ways, it is life-changing obviously, but i felt like i've always -- i've had a hunch that the industry was going to be able to get to this point, and i'm really stoked that it's happened a lot faster than i thought. i honestly thought i was going to take over ten years to see the momentum that we are having. but it happened so much sooner i think with the globalization of netflix, of shows, audiences, global audience is being open to representation. it's struck a lot of conversation, and it's awesome to be here. >> let's also talk about representation. i'm a big advocate of see her to be heard.

and you're instance, you said the people like angled akin, dike, people like stephen yang, when you saw them on the screen, it inspired you to say, you know what i see them on the screen and i think i can do that too. >> yes, yes. it gave me a lot of confidence especially going up in america, because i grew up also in china and in hong kong, and it was weird, because i feel like growing up there and watching tv there, it was so normalized to me. everybody on tv looked like me, in the coming two america, it was not like that, and so it kind of had a weird effect on me where didn't feel confident that i could do this, but i do feel like being in hong kong, being in china, and seeing it so normalized gave me the solutions to do what i wanted to do. because i feel like maybe this can happen here, it gave me a little bit more confidence. >> let's talk about that american dream. you and i are both the children

of strong immigrant asian mothers. your mother wanted you to be a computer scientist and engineer. my mom wanted me to be a doctor. you and i need to get together to commiserate over the fact that -- my mother. significantly, that we haven't do that, but what is it meant, what has it meant to you and your family to see you achieve that success being in a good, and had a bad immigrant story be such a blockbuster success in the united states? >> it means everything. it means i could not be happier, and i feel so so grateful that my mom can't experiences with me, and get to see me succeed at work these days. she is the most popular person there. everybody comes into our office and shouts the show out, and always is curious about what is about two and how behind the scenes stories on the show go. so i think she's really enjoying, it and i'm really happy to see her so fulfilled,

and i'm glad i didn't let her down. >> in the little time i have left with, you sam, i did want to, no spoilers by the way, want to talk about the importance of food. food is critically important and our cultures, and a lot of cultures actually. i think it is a tie that binds a lot of different cultures, but food plays a very prominent role in the series, the brother son, and talk about why you think that is? >> i think especially in asian families, you know, food is where you come together to sit down, and even if you look at the way that asian people eat their food, it's like family style. everybody kind of serves -- their dishes everybody shares, they didn't really see that western society. you don't really see that when i got with my friends, but in traditional chinese society, traditional chinese gatherings, it's a way to come together. and u.s. really see that in the show, some of the best scenes, when michelle comes over to

that didn't table. >> so sam, i have to let you go. i did want to say the following to the viewers. the brother son netflix, and sam can also be found on various social media platforms which you've got started, and sam, the last thing i'll say to you that i like karaoke too, and i will say shallow with you in the, day but we have to go to the mansion. those of you listening right now, -- but watch the series and you will now. thanks for being here my friend, i appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me katie. >> how good one. >> you too. >> and all of you starting today, you can listen to every episode of the katie phang show as a podcast for free. scan the qr could on your screen to follow up now. my thanks to all of you for joining, us i'm back here next saturday at noon eastern. remember, follow us on social media using that handle at katie phang show. you can also watch clips of the show on youtube. stay tuned, msnbc reports with alex witt is coming up next. up.

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a very good day to all of you. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news on the mar-a-lago classified documents case. judge aileen cannon has ordered a special counsel jack smith to hand over evidence to the trump team by today. evidence that smith warrants could identify more than