to him, in a letter. "joe, i know we will see each other again. in the meantime, please do watch over our children and do protect them from harm. joe, i thank you for being such a great, loving husband and loving father. i love you so much, and will love you forever." that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. [music playing]

when the house has enough votes to pass it. this is what they are doing with their time. deputy managing editor of politics at politico paul stein, octer of the book how the right lost its mind charlie sykes, good morning to talk about that book this morning. and our capitol hillpi correspondent julie tsirkin is with uses as well. good to have you all. >> julie, tell us what happened? >> you guys saw it. i'm glad you went back to watch

c span. we were all glued to it last night. it was stunning and a bad week for republican leadership not only in the house but in the senate. this was absolutely stunning on the floor. speaker mike johnson and his leadership team spent a long time on the floor trying to pressure mike gallagher to vote for impeaching alejandro mayorkas. he said he would not thchlt you had the same pressure on mike buck who is retiring from congress. he doesn't have any to go with this because he said that the impeachment doesn't rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. they will try this again. steve scalise who is the majority leader who has been out for cancer treatments will come back in february to try to get

this done. they feel confident they can do it. but it is quite embarrassing. but i don't remember the last time that they impeached the inate member. >> so that are voting on this and ruseling. >> they are failing on those votes. they bring up a resolution to try to polish off what donald trump did when he committed insurrection. we could go down the list. i remain troubled. they leave the border open as a political strategy. they allow vladimir putin his dream of marching into kyiv

because they won't fund ukraine. you wonder, i know there have to be serious house republicans in there. i wonder when they are going to speak out and say we let putin take georgia in 2008. so he went in 2014, again a couple of years ago. after we sit back and give him ukraine, he will go after balkan sates. and they will have donald trump in the white house and he will let them do it. it is the worst invasion since world war ii and the republicans are saying take it. >> i'm so glad you connecting all the dots. yesterday was a clown car and

peak republican dysfunction. but clatical damage will be with ukraine, the relationship with the world, allies. on the one hand, you are seeing the bad performance artists like marjory taylor green spend time on this sort of thing and it is the ongoing audition for a favor from donald trump. but there are real wufrld consequences to all of this. but to be sure, i'm i don't know if the part has the capacity to say this is wrong. this is not who we are. i was surprised that mike gallagher found a back bone to stand up against them.

i imagine the pressure is huge. you can't undo the humiliation and the inability to be a serious party was on full display yesterday and we will get a replay of that later again today. and that vote failed too by a wide margin. so the house did not cover itself in glory yesterday and more to come today. >> just a complete embandonment of trying to govern here. right now, unless something is a startling turn around, there is

not going to be a border security deal. there is not aid to ukraine. national security officials said russia was on the verge of the first victory in the war, since taking bakhmut. we are seeing the tide changing. ukraine is going without weapons and money. and we are unwilling to send it that way. certainly, this is going to hand president biden a couple of campaign issues and he can point at republicans and say they abandoned ukraine and they did not secure the border. the president will be on the campaign trail making the arguments. it seems like nothing is going to change, especially speaker johnson, especially the failed impeachment vote. the grasp on power, it that much more tenueuse and he will have to do president trump's bidding. >> it is hard for him to turn around and put up a bill that

gets majority democrat support. his position is much weeker than it was yesterday and it was pretty weak yesterday. moy assessment of yesterday was that the mayorkas vote was an objective humiliation for republican leadership but on a substantive level, it was not as big as the defeat in the border bill in the senate coming today. for two reasons. mayorkas's impeachment was never going to happen even if the house represented the articles to the senate. the trial would be quick and we would go on with our lives. it is a show. but the border bill is a co to unlock a whole host of different foreign policy priorities. i think the dysfunction in the senate among republicans there is to a degree in the house. we expect the house republicans to operate that way.

the bigotry of low expectations but it is true. the senate would operate slightly differently. i'm struck by, someone put it in a headline that was remarkable and i'm summarizing it like senate democrats fail to persuade republicans to pass conservative border will. that's what happened. this is a conservative border bill that democrats said you should pass and they said no. because of that, we will like lee not have ukraine aid, israel aid and aid for palestinians unbelievable. julie, we will get back with you on the latest on the border deal. as house republicans are flailing and humiliating themselves, hurting themselves all for donald trump, a federal appeals court has rejected donald trump's claim that he is immune from prosecution in his election interference case. the three judge panel of the

d.c. circuit court of appeals ruled u manmous lethat there was no basis for trump to assert that presidents have blanket immunity from prosecution or any acts committed boy president. the 57 page ruling states that former president trump is no longer the president and has become citizen trump for the purposes of criminal prosecution. trump had argued in part that criminal liability for former presidents risks chilling presidential action while in office. and opening the floodgates to meritless and harassing prosecution. but the appeals court found that risk appears to be low. trump reacted on his social media platform writing, a nation destroying ruling like this cannot be allowed to stand, calling the ruling so bad and sn dangerous. the former president is expected to appeal to the supreme court

to prevent the trial from going ahead as scheduled. the d.c. circuit panel cut the time he has to file appeal down significantly. usually it is a few months. and he has until monday. let's bring in our legal analyst lisa ruben and former u.s. attorney and contributor chuck rosenbering. let's talk about the fact that this was a unanimous ruling. and why it was taking so long. talk about how that delay was caused by a unanimous appealing. >> having litigated in the courts of appeal, it didn't take that long. it was less than four weeks. i know that is slow in

journalism world. but in lawyer world shgsz that is quick. and they wrote an opinion of the court, they joined a single opinion. it is 57 pages long. i read it yesterday. it is thoughtful and forceful. >> jon: they were of one voice and that lends some heft to the opinion. taking more time toget it right because you know the opinion will be subject to enorm s skroutany is important. the fact that it took longer than folked would have liked is not that much. for circuit court to be granted, you have to be four justices, roit? that's right. i would guess that the

institutionalists and john roberts thinking is we want to stay out of politics, we want as little to do with this as possible. we are already handling the colorado case. i'm curious if you think roberts wants defined the six members of the court who will deny cert. so maybe he is talking to brett kavanaugh, amy coney barrett, trying to get this away. what dooupg? >> i will defer to lisa. >> one of the things to point out for the viewers is it takes four votes to grant sert but four to grant a stay. the order that accompanies yesterday's decision says donald trump has until monday to file a motion of stay, pending theay court sert. if he can't get the votes , if

he has four votes to review it, without a stay, the court of appeals issues the man date. it kicked back to judge chutkan. he could get supreme court review and also have pretrial proceedings. that would make the court review in some respects meaningless if she is empowered to forge ahead. i was going to ask about that. chutkan vacated the march trial date and said they would reschedule everything. given that the decision camen down a day later, how soon can she get the case back on the docket? >> she wrote a decision where she said it was important to grant the parties about seven months to prepare for trial. it seems she is committed to giving trump the same schedule

not including the time including the stay. if the supreme court were to deny the stay application from trump or deny sert relatively quickly, she would take that up on that day and add 8 or 9 weeks recollect however long we have been delayed. you can think of her adding that back on to the trial calendar. this is a judge that contemplated heicide be on trial for another of the 1300 plus defendants who have already been charged for january 6th. judge chutkan said i'm planninge to be out of the country in august but there is a possibility i could be on trial referring to this case. >> we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. e weekend continue after a short break. migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain.

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donald trump marches on with this quest to win the gop nomination. the reality is the man has become a lil brand and a political brand is much more complicated. >> this is 2024, not 2016. very different race and electorate. >> what does that mean for ukraine, for democracy? >> don't miss the weekend on msnbc. welcomeback to morning joe weekend. let's jump back in with another one of this week's conversations

that we thought you should not miss. joining s now, a look at the fundraising race. steve ratner, let's start with trump and your first chart. but i'm curious, is his money used for the campaign or can it go to his legal fees? what does this fundraising lock like? >> that's a great question and we will get to his legal fees in a second. you are on the right track. let's start with the overall numbers for the campaign. i will compare trump and biden. trump announced back in 2022, earliest announcement that i can remember. he got off to a good start in his fundraising. this is the democratic national committee, biden was not a candidate get. and then over the summer, trump continued to raise money at a pretty good pace. i will show you why. but biden took off. he announced and immediately came out of the gates with

strong fundraising totals. then in the fourth quarter, you can see what happened, trump dropped off and biden took off. in total, biden has substantially outraised trump in this cycle and in fact, biden has substantially out raised what obama raised for his election in 2012 and trump raised substantially less for his reelection than he raised last time. so how did trump raise this money? indictments had something to do it with it. i think you have seen some of this before. every time trump got indicted, his fundraising soared. his biggest single day was after georgia when he raised $4.2 million. of the total fundraising, $62 million, general fundraising but $40 million was tide to the indictments. look, i can say about all of this, as it happens, my wife and i had a fundraiser for biden

last night and the enthusiasm for him is really strong. a lot of it is anti-trump but a good amount of it is pro joe biden. >> so the legal troubles are adding to his frund raising and i think that's why he shows up in court to make little speeches that get people riled up. so the 2023 money raised for presidential campaigns between the dnc and the rnc, how are they doing? >> so as you said, trump raised a lot of money from his indictments and as he mentioneded, he is also spending a lot on his legal fees from his fundraising. last here he took $55 million that his donors gave him and spent it on legal fees. in the saek half of the year, he

took $29 million. most of it came from maga inc. this is the super pac of the biggest donors. i don't know if they would be surprised to know that 60% of all of the money they gave to the pac went to trump's legal fees, funneled around here and went to legal fees. i don't know if the people who contributed, even the small dollar contributions would know that 10% went to pay the legal fees and he announced he will continue to do that. >> i'm going to sound naive here but is that allowed? or unprecedented? these are 91 counts, federal indictments, civil cases, he has been found liable. this is not a random court battle that has nothing to do with the state of our democracy. and do these people know that their money is paying their legal fees?

>> well, if they didn't know, they know now. there has been some notice of it. is it legal? i assume so, no one has said it's not. this has a lot of loopholes and funny business that goes on in terms of people giving more than they really want you to but being funneled back into the campaign which is over here and so forth. and it really is unprecedented in my experience. i have never heard of anyone taking legal fees of this magnitude and pay personal fees. i think this argument would be that these charges were in connection with his official duties and therefore, he can take the money to do so. that's what is happening. an enormous amount of money going there. coming up, joy reed and her book about egers and his wife. book about egers and his wife. with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medicine

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in her newest book called medgar and murly joy reed delves into their lives and a look at the work that influenced millions that continue to fight for civil rights. it includes interviews with family members and colleagues. and joy is joining us now. congratulations on the book. great to have you on morning joe. >> thank you so much. >> tell us everything about this. what drew you to the project and what surprised you when you dove into the lives of medgar and his life. >> you know what drew me to this project was myrlie egers. i interviewed her remotely. and i was in l.a. doing my former weekend show and i got a

chance to meet her in person and intervow her. she was so compelling. she is so regal and royal, and so incredible. she has this deep resonate voice and is fabulous and incredible. after the segment, i had a personal conversation with her and show started talking about medgar. and i said you sound like a teenage school girl who just met this man and he has been gone for almost 60 yours and she says tome in her deep voice, medgar was the love of my life. and it moved me so much. and fast forward, i'm trying to tell my publisher what i was going to do my next book on and i didn't want to do another trump book. i just came back to the conversation over and over again. i said to her at the time, that is the story, you need to tell the story. and she said i have written so

many books. and i said but this is the story. so i reached out to the family to see if she would be open to talk about this. she has written two incredible books. she helped put together medgar's papers. we spoke half a dozen times including once in california in person, this incredible all day we spent with her. i just, what drew me to the story was her and her love for this man. i wanted to write a love story that tells the fuller story of the civil rights movement. it wasn't just the great men. they had families who supported them and created the space to do what they did. wlat surprised me so much was how reluctant she was. she wanted to be a '50s house wife who wanted her husband to be at home. and she was talking about her reluctance because she knew what he was doing would get him

killed in mississippi and she didn't want him to go but she knew he was not going to live long. >> as you know, i have been around medgar evers freakquently. i was too young to know medgar. but you are roit about the regal presence. even in the most private situations, she was regal. but two things. the role that the wives played, the wife of dr. king, i argue we know him better with her. mirly evers was the back bone. and last year, i went at the family's invitation and did the anniversary of the assassination in jackson. they kept the house as it was when he was shot in the driveway

coming home from dog voter registration. talk about the power of the women and something we miss in history. medgar was killed in june of 1963 and that was part of the imitous that brought a lot of people to washington for the original march in washington in august. tragedy sometimes galvanizes people. a lot of people went to washington where dr. king did the speech because they were outraged about the assassination of medgar evers. >> that's another imitous of wroiting the book. i feel like medgar evers has been lost to history as the mornt figure he was. james baldwin said the great trio of civil rights was martin, malcolm, and medgar. and he rode with medgar into the delta to see him do the job he was doing and he was doing all of the jobs they were doing but in mississippi which is its own

adventure in terms of being a black person at the time. but the wives were the secretaries, the cook when lena horn came to the house, the people who had to feed all of the civil rights activists who wering coming to the home to do the work. >> and some stayed there because of segregation and they couldn't stay at hotels. >> yes. they were putting up the greats. they were staying at ever's homes. and these women were integral to the movement. they became what they called the sorority that no one wants to be in, the mothers of the movement. mirly evers was the first nationaly known widow of the civil rights movement. john f. kennedy gave a speech in which he used some of medgar hfs language. he was pressing the administration to do more on

civil rights, to send federal troops to mississippi to protect black people. had he not been assassinated, he was going to be in d.c. to testify for the civil rights activists. he was pushing for it. his language about first class citizenship was picked up by people like fanny lou hammer. when he was killed, to your point, dr. king gave his initial version of the speech he gave on august 28th. he gave it in detroit to 22,000 people. and one of the lines that later gets cut out of the speech he gave in d.c. was i have a dream that one day people like medgar evers and emmett till will be able to live their full lives in freedom. that line gets cut out but that is in the original dream. the galvanizing moment for the speech, they did it on the assassination date of emmett

till but mirly evers was the only woman invited to speak with the big six. she couldn't do it because she had an naacp commitment. the last piece i will give on that, when kennedy comes through with the bill he promiseded, he invited nirly evers and charles evers, his older brother and mirly's children and they stood in the white house and he gave them all little gifts. the gift he gave mirly was a copy of the bill. up next, the landmark verdict out of michigan where the mother of a school shooter was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. that discussion and the implications straight ahead. cussion and th implications straight ahead. attacks all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion and stomach pain. talk to your doctor about nurtec today. hold up. if asthma isn't treating you right... you might be treating it wrong.

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a parent of a convicted school shooter has been found criminally responsible for their child's deadly actions. a michigan jury found jennifer crumbley guilty of all four counts of involuntary manslaughter in the deaths of four of her son's classmates in 2021. nbc news correspondent maggie vespa has the latest. >> reporter: an unprecedented verdict. >> we find the defendant guilty of intallentary manslaughter. >> reporter: jennifer crumbley found guilty on four countries, one for each student her son killed, loaving the courtroom in handcuffs as the first parent ever convicted for their role in

a mass shooting committed by their child. the jury forperson spoke out to nbc news. >> it was not an easy decision. the thing that hammered it home was she was the last adult with the gun. >> reporter: family members of the four students hugging prosecutors. >> the moment you heard the vurth, what went through your mind? >> well, that i can breathe. >> reporter: fred shilling lost his 17-year-old son justin. >> he loved life and he deserved to live it. >> reporter: the historic verdict following seven days of emotional testimony, culminating with crumbley taking the stand in her own defense. >> i wish he would have killed us instead. >> reporter: prosecutors said show was a negligent mom who ignored the mounting red flags. >> she did not give him the help me wanted. >> reporter: the defense argued she was an engaged parent. >> no one could have expected

this including crumbley sglchlths the case may have implications far beyond the courthouse. does this open the door for parents to be held accountable for mass shootings in the future? >> it absolutely does. i believe this will be used as persuasive precedent. >> reporter: but for steve st. giuliana, it is simply justice for his 14-year-old daughter rgs hannah. >> anything you want to say to the jury? >> just thank you for using common sense. >> maggie vespa reporting from michigan there. joining us now is our legal analyst danny cevallos, good morning. this is a fascinating judgment by the jury here because of what maggie just referred to which is this could now become legal precedent but some kind of precedent for juries to say in a school shooting, the parents are responsible if they saw warning signs, if they provided a weapon. >> it is a spiritual precedent. for most of american history, we did not hold parents

automatically criminally responsible for the crimes of their children. and legally, historically, an intentional act was often enough to cut off the responsibility of someone else's negligence. but it appears in america, in school shootings, there is a growing trend. and we are willing to disregard that prior history and say this is an exception. when it comes to firearms, when it comes to mental health and red flags, we as americans, as a society, may be comfortable with this kind of liability which is an exception to the general rule that we don't hold parents criminally responsible for the crimes of their children. >> i guess the question, what was persuasive in this familiar case for the jury? the parents did provide a weapon to the child. the jury said you know your kid and you know that something was wrong there and giving him a gun was not a good idea. on the day of the shotting, the

parents were called into school because of something the student wrote in class and later that day, he killed those four students. >> the prosecution had overwhelming evidence in the form of text messages and red flags. their put that on and they said look at all of these incidents where the parents xu or should have xoen that their son had problems and they recklessly ignored that and allowed access to the gun. that's why the defense was so narrow. that's why when they called the client, she didn't get on the stand and say, knowing what i know now, i see all these red flags now. that would have made the prosecution's case. she had to say, i wouldn't do anything differently because as i look at that today, it was still the whole thing about the poltergeist in the house, that was a running joke that the house was haunted and we were

seeing those text messages when he says the dishes are flying off the wall. that was a joke between parents. it is a hard sell. if your defense as trial is, it is a joke, thas that's a difficult sell for the jury. the jury saw that as her being cavalier about her son's mental health and the fact that he had access to a firearm which he also testified was a healthy activity for a reserved child. we talked about there are a lot of other activities to get your child involved in if there are mental health issues. coming up, americans will descend on state houses cros the country on march 2nd. we'll be right back. untry on march 2nd we'll be right back. with mild-to-moderate covid-19 and a high-risk factor for it becoming severe. it does not prevent covid-19. my symptoms are mild now, but i'm not risking it.

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elected officials. the action was announced yesterday by the poor peoples campaign, an organization that aims to use the power of america's low wage workers to enact change in washington. joining us now is the organization's cochair, reverend dr. william barber and also with us, president of lake research partners, sulinda lake, a democratic party strategist and one of two lead pollsters for joe biden's 2020 presidential campaign. thank you for being with us. >> reverend barber, tell us about the campaign. >> thank you for having me. 135 million americans are poor or low wage. it is time to wake this sleepy giant. it is time to be a resserrection, not an insurrection. if you look at the numbers, almost a million poor voters did not vote in michigan, the margin

of victory. in north carolina, over $900,000 didn't vote, just 18.4% would close the gap of the marge p of victory. in florida, over 2.8 million low wage workers didn't vote. 3.4% would close a margin of victory. so march 2nd, in 32 states and d.c. poor and low wage workers, people, religious leaders, others, are coming together to launch a massive 42 week campaign to reach 15 million poor and low wage infrequent voters, around an agenda, fighting for living wages, fighting for healthcare, and saying there are 52 million poor and low wage workers in this country who have not gotten a raise since 2009. 52 million. we saw 8 democrats and 50 republicans block them when the president and vice president wanted to see them get $15 in

the union. they are saying we are not going to sit on the sidelines anymore. we are the sleeping giant. we have power. it is time to use it in a massive way. 42 week campaign starting march 2nd to reach 15 million poor and low wage voters to change the eelectorate here. >> two part question here, you aand i know that bringing visibility brings credibility to issues. you have worked in the area of raising the point of low wage workers and poor people for along time. i came out of operation bread basket when dr. king was killed the your i started. raise the poor people's campaign and jackson kept it going. raising this issue at a state house level is because a lot of the things that come out of washington will not get to the people if the state houses don't

deal with it. i think that the strategy of that, explain to people why going to the state houses becomes important, and waking up poor and working class people to reasons that they should be voting so it is connected to their lives, not just this up here political discussions that they really don't personalize or understand how it affects them on a daily basis. >> you are so right, reverend jackson. --. >> sharpton. >> lord have mercy, reverend sharmten. everything we started from the ground up. that is where the real political insurrection is going on. state houses can block living wamgs, healthcare, or medicaid expansion. they can block money for public education. they can block voting rights. if you are for zoet # voting

rights expansion, living wamgs, we need to mobilize, both sides of the aisle, and also on june 15th, we are coming to d.c. to challenge the congress. the things we are pushing for are not radicalized ideas. 72% of americans say they want a $15 minimum wage for people who have not gotten a raise since 2009. here's the moral question. we went through covid and we called people unnecessary workers and then troeted them like they were expendable. we said they had to go to work. and when they did, they didn't get wages and leave. and now they are saying we have power. there is not a state in the country where if 20% of poor or low wage workers would mobilize and not change the action.

>> this is a massive group of americans, a lot of people who vote as well. we think about which way to go in this election come fall. so as a poll stfr for the president's campaign, talk about your role in the parintership here and why you think this is so important. >> my role is to look at the data and validate the approach. i want to say i think this is game changing. this is the biggest block of unmobilized voters out there. this is going to be a mobilization election. when reverend barber shared numbers like 900,000, 1 million voters, nonvoters, these are states where the margin was 10,000 voters. this is game changing to mobilize the votes. and the participation among poor people 122% less than the participation on average. this is the biggest change that i'm seeing out there, and the biggest potential for progressive victories. >> that does it for the first

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quickly called press conference last night is how the president responded to that. >> i know there's some attention paid to some report about my recollection of events. there's even reference that i don't remember when my son died. how dare you raise that? frankly, when i was asked the question, i thought to myself, it's none of their business. i don't need anyone to remind me when he passed away. simple truth is, i sat for five hours or two days, a mess, going back 40 years. the same time cki was managing international crisis. their task was to make a decision about whether to move forward with charges in this case. that's their decision to make. that's the council's decision to make. his job. they decided not to move forward, for any extraneous commentary they don't know what they are talking about.

it has no place in this report. the bottom line of the matter is now closed. we will continue what i've on, my job of being president of the united states of america. i know that i'm an elderly man, and i when i was president i put the country back on its feet. my memory is fine. take a look at what i've done since i've become president. none of you thought i could pass any of the things that got passed. how did that happen? i guess i just forgot what was going on. >> so with the president echoing the language in the report when he said i am a well meaning an elderly man but in a moment that should've been a vindication for him that there are no charges warranted against him and let's turn the t page, the white house obviously felt the need to brush out there, 8:00 at night from the white house, and get in front of and push back on some of the other language, the gratuitous language, about his mental

acuity. >> i think that when you look at a very bad day for president biden, and then you compared to donald trump, with the 91 counts, sexual assault, fraud, sex with a porn star, and everything he says every day. the day that president biden had yesterday was just another tuesday for donald trump, with far worse things that he's putting on the table. >> it's tuesday for donald trump, t'without the 91 counts against him. democratic member and judge saying he's guilty of rape. let's bring in democratic better of lethe house oversight committee dan goldman in new york. congressman, this seems an awful lot like 2016 and james comey. jeez, i can't indict hillary clinton illegally. so i'm going to invite her politically, and have a press

conference an attacker. this language, this gratuitous language that he used, again, given the sensitivities of the case, he knew it was going to end up on the front page of pro trump newspapers. he knew it. and this is exactly what happened. what's your reaction? >> my reaction is there are a number of highly questionable and seemingly partisan political assessments by the special counsel. first of all, the evidence that president biden knew he had classified materials while he was sia private citizen, and that's important, because otherwise he was perfectly -- it was perfectly legal for him to have it, was so thin. and for him to even conclude that he willfully retain, i think, is a flawed conclusion. the evidence does not support that.

so that's right off the bat that you have this questionable conclusion. then he goes on to do a full analysis, and while i agree with chuck but the credibility of witnesses matters, the credibility of the potential defendant is something altogether very different. especially when one volunteers for esan interview. because he's not going to testify. a jury is not going to end up having to analyze joe biden, and especially when you are saying that the charges or the evidence does not meet the charges. that is completely gratuitous, y and completely unnecessary. my understanding is, well joe, is that during these five hours, president biden went through in great detail many conversations that he had with various other people from years and years ago. so he cherry-picked a couple of examples that perhaps we don't know, perhaps are in context, perhaps are out of context,

related to very sensitive issues such as his son. really, just to bash him. just to impugn him. and it is excessive, it is gratuitous, and the last thing i'll say, joe, is it is wrong. i've had a number of conversations with president biden over the last couple of years, including on october 7th, the day before this interview, when i was in israel and he called me. and his mastery and understanding of mathe geopolitical situation on the ground in israel and then the surrounding region, was remarkable. he was recounting to me all the various different things they had done in the first couple hours of the war. he was completely on top of everything that was going on, and his experience, because of his age, and his wisdom, has been a valuable to this country as we've navigated through the russia ukraine war, and now the middle east. so there is a flipside to the age thing, which joe biden has demonstrated very well over the

last couple of years. >> congressman, good morning. as we just laid out for the last 20 minutes or so, the headline is clear out of this report, which is that no charges are warranted, and alsoa the distinctions between what president biden did and what former president donald trump did, in terms of obstructing justice, sitting voluntarily for a video in all of those things. like it or not, all of that stuff from the special counsel about the age now is out in public view. even some democrats cringing a r little, because it raises an issue that's been out there. do you have any concerns at all, not just because of what we read in this report, which a lot of people on this show don't think should have been in the report. but doyou have concerns right n about president biden's age as he moves toward the general election? >> no, i don't have any concerns. and that's from personal interactions. he's got a terrific team around him, he is very knowledgeable and experienced. and he, as even recently,

completely dominated the republicans. you look at the fiscal responsibility act, he did a fabulous job, and my understanding is that he was behind the scenes and because of his experience negotiating over so many different years, he knew exactly where the negotiation was going to go, and he took kevin mccarthy -- i think president biden is incredibly experienced, knowledgeable, wise, and i don't have concerns about his age. remember, the job of the president is to guide our country. it is not to be a cheerleader for the united states. it is to govern our country, and i think when you see the juxtaposition of how he handled this case, fully cooperating, respecting the rule of law, respecting the independence of the sister part mint, and you juxtapose that with donald trump, what you see is someone that cares about our country anchors but our democracy, juxtaposed and opposite to a

criminal. to someone who is clearly out for himself, does not believe the law applies to him, and is a danger to this country. and that's the choice that the american people are going to have. >> all right, democratic member of the house oversight and ig homeland security committees, congressman dan goldman, thank you for being with us this morning. >> we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe: weekend continues, after a short break.

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the ticket who you trust to defend our freedom, and to be faithful to the constitution. >> that was texas senator ted cruz back in 2016. remember him? when he was booed for refusing to endorse donald trump as the party's presidential nominee. instead, famously telling americans to vote their conscience. fast forward eight years later, and cruz has fallen in line, along with the vast majority of the republican party behind trump, endorsing him to be the party's presidential nominee for a third cycle in a row. joining us now is the staff writer at the atlantic, mark, his latest piece is entitled the validation brigade salutes trump. and in its, mark, you write, quote, the gop once prided itself on being an alliance of free thinking frontiersman, who embraced rugged individualism,

a term populated by republican president herbert hoover. this is no longer that time. full acquiescence to trump is now the most essential republican ethic, such as it is, or at least the chief prerequisite, to viability in the party. this near total submission to the former boss has persisted no matter how egregious his actions are, or how plainly he states his authoritarian goals. yet, the republican party now appears to have entered a new level of capitulation to trump. i kind of ho-hum acceptance phase, we are full support as become almost mundane, just like joining a grocery line. there's a certain power and bland and seemingly harmless gestures from people who know better. permission structure's strength overtime. complicity calcifies in

obscurity. go ahead. >> i was just saying, it used to be that republicans, or in the early days, would have to justify mean tweets. if you listen to what a certain senator aside from utica. but now, he's classifying as quote, mean tweets, rape, donald trump raping a woman, according to a judge. >> defaming her. >> defaming her. >> saying nasty things about a lot of women. >> and also, saying nasty things about generals he's going to execute. talking about being a dictator on day one, talking about terminating the constitution, talking about using s.e.a.l. team six to assassinate political opponents, being okay for him. and of course, talking about banning news outlets. we can go down the list. the bar keeps getting higher and republicans keep jumping.

mark leibovich, what say you? >> joe, hi guys. >> good morning, mark. did you want to talk about the beatles? is that's why you're here? >> he's a confident man, with a short memory. >> i thought he was here to talk about the 60th anniversary of -- >> do know how big the beatles would've been if one of them were dating travis kelce's sister or something like that? my piece, sticking it back to ted cruz, what i wanted to do was to juxtapose really what was quite a spirited, relatively speaking, internal fight and the republican party, back when trumpism was looking like then or when people had worse visions of trumpism and what it's become now. and what i want to look at was the very mundane and funnel adding to the list of the likes

of john cornyn, john barrasso -- marco rubio, cruise, tom hammer, just your standard garden-variety quote unquote prominent republicans, who in the last few weeks, have just sort of -- almost as a matter of -- saying i stand with donald trump. and you can ignore everything they said about him after january six. everything that they've said about him in the last however many years. this is just what they do now, and what i think it's really emblematic of when you look at what cruz said eight years ago, and i remember being in the hall that night. it was one of the most riveting things i've ever seen in politics, because it was even then quite rare to see someone stand up as fulsomely. but really it's so mundane now. ted cruz put his name on a list, everyone else just sort of went along, and that's the nature of complicity in general. you lose your fight overtime, you become totally numb to it, and this is what the republican party is. >> mark, then there are the people who have taken it a step

further, those, particularly, who want to be donald trump's vice presidential running mate, perhaps. ali stefanik, the congresswoman from new york, was on cnn last night where she said she would not have done what mike pence did on january 6th, meaning she would not have certified the election. she went on to say, just repeating lies about the 2020 election. this is a prominent member of congress who could potentially be vice president of the united states. so setting themselves up now, that if donald trump loses, if donald trump doesn't like the results he gets, when he becomes president, that you have a group of people that will go along with whatever he says. there will be no guardrails. a group of people who will, perhaps, violate the constitution in the service of donald trump. >> yeah, you can focus -- the elise stefanik's of the world, the vivek ramaswamy's of the world, these are very flamboyant sick upon -- sycophants at this point. they're kind of competing for

his affection, maybe to be his running mate or some high-level in the administration. clearly, if he is elected, he is going to have a level of greater authority certainly, in the party, and it's not like a senator congress made up of his party. whether the majority or not is going to sanction that. he is going to have these sycophants around him. but again, i want to focus on the people who know better. the quote on quote, serious republicans. the people who have said as much in the past, who certainly have said this privately and continued to say it privately, who continue to go along. and that's really what the strength of his power is, just sort of leading an entire party of people who know better to then -- collectively. >> you've written about this a fair amount, and written a book about this. it's obviously been gradual, the capitulation of the party to trump, it's been a gradual or story over the last years.

when you think about the ways that that emboldens trump, there were guardrails, that constraint him. especially, importantly, at the end of his term in office, and around january 6th, and the courts, et cetera. trump's aware that the supplication is getting deeper and deeper. he's a cagey reader of his own -- and the sycophancy round him. how do you think it affects him tangibly in terms of how he actually governs and how he -- how far he's willing to go, in the next four years, if he gets reelected and he sees all of this around him? >> the fact is, as far as he can. i still, to this day, don't think enough attention is paid to the people that allow him to happen. i mean, donald trump, for the obvious reasons, is a singular figure. a dangerous figure. but he would not exist if there was not a major political party

to sanction him. so he understands it. i remember eight or nine years ago, back when trump used to talk to people like me, he was talking about how weak politicians are. look, i've been in real estate, i've been in entertainment, compared -- in these early months, in this early part of my career in politics, i am shocked at how easy it is to sort of turnaround politicians. they really are just very weak. and if trump has one really well developed sense of himself, it's how you identify weakness and people to exploit it, in some cases, entire political party. >> coming up next, former attorney general eric holder is our guest. we will discuss within the work he's doing to ensure the next presidential election is fair.

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now a political fight has been raging over a republican effort to prevent the state supreme court from having the final say in how legislative districts are drawn. it's just one of several battles that have a huge impact on our democracy, and the weight power is wielded by the party, hoping to stay in power. joining us now, former u.s. attorney general eric holder. he is chair of the national democratic we'd disturbing community, which brings legal challenges to gerrymandered redistricting -- for violations of the voting rights act. he's been focusing on many of these showdowns, we just talked about this concept. but you are also looking at louisiana. tell us about the situation there. >> well, in louisiana, a bunch of citizens brought a lawsuit that we supported. the challenge the way that the districts were drawn there that has a impact on the ability of black residents to have a full

degree of political power, and violated section two of the voting rights act of 1965. based on allen versus milligan case, an alabama case that we won before the united states supreme court, a very conservative united states supreme court, we said that there's a basis to draw another black opportunity district in louisiana. in the south, we have racially polarized voting, and it is a result of the allen versus -- case, we have brought another black opportunity district in louisiana, as well as in alabama. >> so, i want to get a sense of the importance of this work, across the country. even the implications of the case you were just talking about. could it impact how the states deal with this question across the country? >> yeah, i mean, the case we won before the supreme court will have a nationwide impact, and it enhances the ability to

use section two of the voting rights act to go after states that are trying to dilute the power of citizens of color, with regard to their representation. but we've also been bringing lawsuits on other bases in other parts of the country, in wisconsin, ohio, north carolina. we brought a number of cases, all trying to make the system more fair. the reality is that gerrymandering is cheating. partisan, racial gerrymandering, is cheating. it deprives the american people of the ability to have representatives who really represent a fair policy desires. and also, if you would look at this immigration bill that is not going to get voted on, one of the reasons it's not going to get voted on is because people, republicans in particular, fear primary challenges. and that's what gerrymandering does. it makes you safe in a general election, and the only thing you're really worried about is a primary challenge. and therefore you don't want to

compromise with people across the aisle, because that scene as a sign of weakness, and invites a primary challenge. so gerrymandering has an impact on a whole range of things, and that's what we have decided to fight for fairness in our redistricting process. >> can you tell us a little bit more, if you will, about the ongoing impact that donald trump's big lie has won this process? which of course, has fueled voting rights changes in a number of states, a number of republican held legislatures. any idea that it's not just what he did in 2020, but the fact that he's still out there, he still pushing the big lie, and he's still the most dominant figure in republican politics? >> that's one of the really negative impacts of what the former president has done. by pushing this lie, that we have a voting system that is unfair, that is somehow corrupt, it allows republicans and state legislatures to put in place measures that are designed to keep certain people away from the polls.

restrictive measures like unnecessary photo i.d. laws. purging of voter rolls. there's a whole range of things that happen based on these misperceptions, these lies, that are perpetrated by the former president. and that's why we have to fight for a fair system. it's what i've tried to do is the head of the national -- district-ing community. not to fight for partisan advantage, but for fairness in the electoral system. i think if that's the case, democrats, races, will do just fine. but we face that headwind that comes from the former president, and his acolytes, saying that there is in fact voter fraud, when in fact the brennan center did a study and said you're more likely to be hit by lightning than cast an in-person fraudulent vote. so these are the kind of things we have to push back against. >> eric, i really want you to address another thing that the former president has done, that

has delegitimized the department of justice and the fbi. i don't think people realize the percentage of people who work for the department of justice, and he worked for the fbi, that are the very definition of non political. i don't think people realize that the vast majority of those employees are people who came to those institutions because of the work they wanted to do. without any kind of political pre notion of how they could accept politics or policy. could you speak to that and the damage he has done to these really important institutions in terms of the rule of law? >> that's exactly right. i mean, the notion that the justice department or the fbi are peoples with employees who have political leanings and who do things on the basis of political favor is totally inconsistent with how the system apartment is run, how the fbi's run.

there's a way in which people in the department interact with one another, where political things are not raised. i was a young lawyer in the justice department along time ago, and a person who i tried my first case with and who hired a great relationship with, i just assumed was a democrat. i just assumed he was a democrat. and after getting to talk to him over years, i realize that he was a pretty conservative republican. i never understood, never knew that. it is something that is not discussed in the justice department. the career employees, that's what people need to understand. these are career employees who served for 15 and 20 years, do so in a political way, don't do anything on the basis of politics, and the way in which the former president and too many republicans have attacked those institutions has had a negative impact on their ability to do cases that are in the political sphere, when they are doing political corruption cases. but also has a negative impact

on the way in which juries look at people from the fbi, when they are testifying in nonclinical cases. so there's a negatives systemic institutional impact that these lives have had. >> we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe: weekend, continues, after a short break.

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>> a detailed new piece in the new york times magazine charts the career path of former white house chief of staff mark meadows. and how he became, quote, the least trusted man in washington. contributing writer robert spoke with real estate agents that worked with meadows before he turned to politics, and with some of his colleagues after meadows switched to politics. he says, quote, the recurrent feature of meadow's career ascent is that he persuaded people to trust him, leaving them later to regret having done so. and robert draper joins us now. this is so interesting. i saw that happen, i'm not gonna say elijah cummings regretted befriending mark meadows, because he had a love in his heart for everybody. but i saw him in real time, just -- i don't know if i can think of a less crass way of putting it, but he just turns

on people. to his own necessity. crying and claiming his own a racist, and using elijah in ways that i thought was so, so inappropriate. and yet he ascended to the highest office of the land, working alongside the president. what's the deal with this guy? >> yeah, it's straight out of of wintry o'connor short story. this is a guy that came out of tampa, florida, in his mid twenties, showed up this little resort town in north carolina with his wife, he'd been a customer service salesman for the tampa electric company, opened up a sandwich shop in highlands, and then just kind of year after year began conning people and moving his way up and doing so. he began with this little christian lady, who helped him get a job, helped him with money, and then ultimately moved on it up and had her fear

links very embittered. that behavior continued until he became a member of congress, when he showed a propensity for telling people things they wanted to hear. not because he was a chronic people pleaser, but for reasons of self advancement. and it worked. for a decade, a decades time in washington, he rose from being this obscure first term congressman to being white house chief of staff, and the very last chief of staff for donald trump. so it's the story of duplicity, a story of an artful dodger who's now found himself in a box, which is the box of being under indictment in fulton county, and perhaps having to testify in the federal january 6th trial. >> robert, good morning. you led me to my question, which is look where it's gotten him. trying to please everybody at once, and now he finds himself in some trouble and finds himself as one of the primary sources of evidence against donald trump in some of these cases. though he wouldn't testify, he turned over tons of texts and emails to the january six committee, so what is your sense -- i know people talk to

you for this piece, but your sense of where he is now, how he is now? >> how he's doing is he is well off, he has a job paying him roughly $850,000 a year, and this mega think tank called the conservative partnership institute. it's unclear what he does for all that money, because 1.6 million dollar lake house in south carolina. but in a broader sense, willie, he is in deep trouble. he received an immunity order to testify before the federal grand jury, and it seems pretty evident to me that the game that meadows is playing here is he wants to stay out of trouble, he doesn't want to be prosecuted by jack smith's team, but the same time he doesn't want to take the witness stand, so essentially he's provided a kind of roadmap during six hours of testimony that he gave to the grand jury on march the 23rd of last year. but my suspicion is that smith's team is going to want him on the witness stand,

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>> what do you say about the conspiracies that have popped up concerning travis kelce and taylor swift, some kind of republican conspiracy that you guys made at the super bowl to actually secretly help reelect

president biden? [laughter] >> that's way out of my league. very similar to me speaking german. but listen, we appreciate and i appreciate the question. she has been great, and we had a nice visit with president biden. that's about as far as i can go. >> the chief visiting the white house, as super bowl champions last year. kansas city had coach andy reid there, a brushing off a question from a german reporter during a pre super bowl news conference. -- you really go back to one week between the kansas city -- >> this is one of my defining issues. the two-week gap, it's not good for anyone. it just leads to trouble, and now we are seeing at the latest with the fuel the -- that's out there, as we've been talking about this week, that the nfl somehow whip their season this year, so taylor swift could be in attendance at the super bowl

on sunday, increasing viewership. but the twist for republicans is that she and travis kelce or perhaps newly engaged. >> you're telling me that you don't believe that roger caddell is capable of pulling this thing together? >> to know how air pressure works in football? >> probably the last time you're gonna see me on tv, because i'm gonna be canceled. i'm gonna say something negative about taylor swift. i thought her acceptance speech at the grammys was really disappointing, and tone-deaf, just basically getting up there. instead of humbly thinking people, and here's the big news. my next album drops so and so. >> in april. >> should i just stop right now before i'm canceled? >> no, it's over. >> this will be my last appearance on morning joe. can we -- she's a human being, can we not say that?

>> you're a brand guy? >> she missed. >> danny, a brand guy. she's onstage in front of millions of people. what better opportunity to announce her new album? are you kidding me? >> doing the always being selling, taylor swift, your bigger than that. i know you're heating my advice. actually, they're taking me off the set right now. i just think -- we've got a close this. taylor swift can make mistakes, she made a mistake, she's not perfect, and as i said, you can see me online after this is all over, i will no longer be on morning joe. >> yeah, go ahead, willie. >> by the way, andy reid handled that great. the thing to do with that is just a life in a way. >> who's more likable, andy reid? >> much more likable than taylor swift. >> after the break, we will talk with patti davis about her new book, a letter she wrote to

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like the coffee maker, for instance. >> you see this wire? >> so is the toaster, and the skillet, and the refrigerator, on the washer. >> i'll tell you what. let's play a game. let's see how many electric appliances we can find around the house. >> that was former president ronald reagan and his wife nancy, and their daughter on general electric theater before they came americas first family. now, patty davis is reflecting on her relationship with her parents in a new book, entitled dear mom and dad, a letter about family, memory, and the america we once knew. and patty joins us now. thank you for coming on. congratulations on the book, tell us why you decided to take on this project. >> well, i really can't take credit for the idea. my editor called me, i was in the middle of writing a novel, and he said i know you're working on another book but i

have this idea. a letter to your parents. and i thought wow, that such a good idea. i never would've thought of that format. and i've actually been trying to sort of tell this story, this kind of end of the journey of working through the puzzle of my family. i've been trying to tell this story in a documentary film that i wanted to do, that i was titling the reagan's before the world moved in. and i kept running into the same roadblock, with every producer that would be -- oh yes, this is your story. you have control over it, we are going to let you tell, it and then a mile down the road it will be like, okay, you sit over there, deer, and we will tell your story. so i had given up. and then when he called and had this idea, i said, this is the story that i want to tell. of finally getting to the point of looking at my family through a wider lens, through a clearer

lens. from a bit of a distance, and with more understanding, and more forgiveness, and all of that. so that's how it was born. >> so, there's a description that you had, kind of a case of sibling rivalry with the country. >> yes, for a long time. >> yeah, it must have been really a hard. and you described some traumas that you went through as well. what are you hoping the reader learns about your parents, that perhaps they didn't have an understanding of before? >> you know, two things, actually. i hope readers read this and reflect on their own family. every family's message to some degree, so i definitely hope that whatever i've gone through in working through things, other people can take and maybe go, oh, i should maybe take a

step back and look at things from a wider perspective. so i hope that. and also i hope that -- i think that people will take from this a more human perspective of my parents. you know, when your kids, you think that your parents were just born the second they became your parents. but obviously, they had lives before the. and i think also for the public, people think that a president or a first lady or someone in the public eye, obviously he was governor before that, that's just all they are. but they are human beings who have their own histories and childhoods. i said to someone not too long ago that if you want to understand ronald reagan, actually, i saw that in the book to. if you want to understand one raegan, you have to understand that everything about him bounced off the fact that he was the child of an alcoholic. everything. and i wrote a lot about children -- go on. >> no, it makes a lot of sense.

i'm curious, just because you talk a lot about your experience, and their experience in this book. i know when i came out with my first book, there was a lot about my parents in it. and they were unhappy, they were from eastern europe, and it was just like, you don't share. but in this book, you share a lot, even about your mother's pregnancy with you, and how that came to be. how do you think your parents would feel about this book? do you think they would like it? >> well, i would never have written this book if they were still here. because i wouldn't have been able to, particularly with my mother, i wouldn't have been able to get down to that kind of honesty in front of her. and you know, her being pregnant when she got married, this is not breaking news. everybody knows that my parents were married in march and i was born in october, so i didn't break any news there.

but it was something i kind of wanted to look out, because my mother was not a careless person. she just wasn't. she was a very deliberate person. and she said something to me at one point, that when she was dating my father, he said to her, you know, you shouldn't be renting your house. you shouldn't be throwing money away. you should buy your house. and she said, i did want to hear that. i want to us to get married, i want us to have a house together. so she definitely wanted to marry him, and the reason, actually, that i wrote about the pregnancy and him proposing to her, when she said honey, i'm pregnant, was that somebody said something to me many many years ago that the reason this person thought we had such a challenging relationship is because i was the flaw in her romantic vision. note that my parents to love each other, they did.

intensely, obviously. but the way all of that came about, it wasn't like let's go out on a canoe on a pond and hears a black box with an engagement ring. it was honey, i'm pregnant, okay, let's get married. so thinking about, that it gave me some perspective on why our relationship was just so tangled. >> and that does it for this sunday edition of morning joe. enjoy the game today, and thanks for joining us right here. we will see you back here tomorrow morning at six a.m.. msnbc's the weekend starts right now. >> good morning, it is sunday february 11th. i'm alicia menendez in new york, i'm simone sanders townsend. -- nikki haley reached a new low. the former member of an administration joins us with a