weeks then get back at it. >> reporter: the only thing that would have made it better is if my lions would get in. >> what about the dolphins, man? steve patterson, good to see you, buddy. thanks. that wraps up the hour for me. you can reach me on social media. watch clips from our show at msnbc.com/jdb. thank you for privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news now. right now, donald trump and his lawyers could win another delay in his classified documents trial in a florida courtroom today but the former president is under fire for comments encouraging putin to attack nato allies who he says don't pay their fair share to the alliance. president biden and the first lady pushing back on the special counsel's damaging description of him as a quote, elderly man

with a poor memory. also today, israel rescuing two male hostages from rafah. they say they're closing in on a hostage deal. bill burns heading to egypt for talks tomorrow to try to seal an agreement. while critical funding for ukraine including israel and taiwan, throws a major hurdle in the senate for its passage possibly this week, but donald trump is urging key republicans to kill it in the house. senator amy klobuchar, a big supporter, joins me this hour. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. donald trump brings his campaign back to the court today. here's in a federal court in fort pierce, florida. mr. trump said he would choose

putin over america's nato allies even inciting possible russian attacks against nato members if they were not spending enough on their defense. >> nato was busted until i came along. i said everybody's got the pay. they said if we don't pay, are you still going to protect us? i said absolutely not. one of the presidents of a big country stood up said well, sir, if we don't pay and we're attacked by russia, will you protect us? i said, you didn't pay, you're delinquent, he said, yes, say that happened. no, i would not protect you. in fact, i would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. you've got to pay your bills. most politicians have said to that, yes, we will protect you. i said, no, no, you have to understand, you don't pay your bills, you get no production. it's very simple. >> outrage over mr. trump's remarks have been pouring in. nato's secretary general saying

the comment quote undermines all of our security and puts american and european soldiers at increased risk. poland, which has endured decades of russian threats and occupation says no election campaign is an excuse for playing with the security of the alliance. and the white house said encouraging invasions of our closest allies by murderous regimes is appalling and unhinged, but president biden's team is also playing defense after the special counsel report did not recommend prosecuting him for taking classified documents but added a devastating description portraying the president as a quote elderly man with poor memory whose practices present serious risks to national security. we start today with garrett haake who covers the trump campaign. msnbc legal contributor outside the courthouse in florida, and nbc news senior white house correspondent, gabe gutierrez. garrett, mr. trump made his

contempt for nato clear while he was president. how did saturday's comments exacerbate the situation and influence senate votes. >> donald trump's never been a fan of multilateral alliances, nato. he thinks america gets scammed when we leave troops overseas including with allies like germany and south korea. i can tell you the outrage you're talking about from europe has not been echoed within the republican party, which has largely dismissed these comments as the way donald trump talks about this. and they argue this is the way he negotiates and in fact, during his presidency, more countries came closer to hitting the 2% gdp goal. that deserves a fact check, too. these countries don't owe us anything. it's money that has to be spent on their own defense. but the way that donald trump talks about this and the way he talks about foreign aid in

general. he said all foreign aid should be in the form of a loan. it's the kind of thing that continues to put downward pressure on the likelihood that we see a successful senate vote. i think that's more likely, or any house vote on the ukraine aid and ukraine and israel aid package that's been working its way slowly through congress. this kind of commentary from donald trump will echo loudly in the minds of republicans who may want to vote for this but not want to pop their heads up and be seen as going cross wise with the likely nominee of their party. i want to bring in gabe. in fact, the u.s. is spending less as a percentage of our gdp on our allotment to nato than many of our european allies. the scandinavian allies are in the forefront. we're number 14 or something. and gabe, it's also true that europe has just approved $54 billion for ukraine. they did that unanimously. the european unanimously over

the objections of the dictator, totalitarian leader orban in hungary. their hands are clean on this and his, donald trump's comments come at a terrible time as many in europe, including the reporters going. they're gathering in munich at a critical time for president zelenskyy and ukraine. >> reporter: president biden set to meet with the king of jordan today and that's why you heard the white house talk about how donald trump's comments were quote appalling and unhinged. this is part of what the white house and biden campaign is trying to draw this distinction between what they see as a dangerous former president and trying to not put at the forefront some of the other issues biden is dealing with.

they say what could potentially happen during a second trump administration is much more dangerous. >> let me ask you about that report because "the washington post" in particular had chapter and verse clearly from his attorney, bob bower, over what they perceived as the way the interviews went. the interviews he submitted to voluntarily and special counsel did point out the distinctions between donald trump and the indictments in mar-a-lago, the alleged obstruction of justice, moving the documents, having to subpoena, refusing to turn them over, the cooperation from joe biden and the white house the minute they found them. misplaced admittedly and mishandled. acknowledging that. but the way they describe the interview was he had come off the october 7th massacre. staying up all night talking to allies. having to talk to allies in israel about that. and agreed to five hours, two days worth, of intensive

cooperation, which most defense people playing defense don't do. >> reporter: that's right. the white house is highlighting all of that. the differences between the biden classified documents case and what's going on with former president trump. he's facing 40 criminal counts but the white house is stressing it was president biden who immediately upon learning that he had these classified documents actually returned them to authorities. now, andrea, i also want to point out one of the major questions here at the white house is whether transcripts of these interviews will be released. you mentioned president biden's personal attorney wouldn't commit to it. he says he's out of government, it's not really up to him. but on friday, ian sams wouldn't rule it out that these transcripts would come out. he said classified information in those interviews would have to be redacted and looked over but didn't commit one way or the other. but just within the past few

minutes, contrasting to that angry, fiery joe biden that we heard on thursday night talking about the report, president biden speaking in front of county officials just a few moments ago and we haven't turned around the sound yet, but he said i don't look like it, but i've been around a while. i do remember that. essentially joking about the report and trying to deal with it with some humor, andrea. but this is something that the biden campaign will have to deal with in months going forward. >> of course, he's reading from a telepromter there. at a major washington hotel speaking to county officials and we'll play that for you in a bit. but again, being on telepromter is different than being in an interview when stressed and having to answer questions. katie, donald trump has now decided to show up to emphasize the mar-a-lago classified

documents case. clearly trying to draw a comparison to what he claims is the unfairness of president biden not being indicted for something he was indicted for. even in the report, he pointed out there were major distinctions between what trump did and having to be subpoenaed and have an fbi raid on his home and the cooperation from joe biden. >> reporter: yeah, the hur report made sure there was a clear distinction between it comes to intent. behind me in the federal courthouse, what is taking place is a closed door proceeding where the lawyers for donald trump and walt nauta are meeting with judge cannon to discuss their theories of defense.

beginning at 3:00, the government will return. they were here on january 31st. they met with her for three hours on january 31st in an attempt to explain to her why certain classified should not be turned over to the defense. now, there are also certain classified materials they say they're willing to turn over but should be redacted or should be substitutions made. but the judge will be the final gate keeper on that decision and based upon what she decides, jack smith can then take an expedited appeal to the 11th circuit court of appeals to determine whether or not that classified information has to be turned over. it makes it very specific in terms of what processes have to be done so it's a little unusual to see donald trump here today because the only other time he's been around the courtroom for his case is at his first appearance. >> just to clarify, first of all, does jack smith have any

representation there or is this closed just to the defense the way the prosecution was alone with her on their arguments about it and will he have access to the classified documents they are discussing today? >> so, the defense is by itself without jack smith's team. this afternoon, it is jack smith's team without the defense. and donald trump, because of his prior classified access, does have access to those documents. there is an indication that he has been to a skip previously in miami to be able to look at the classified documents but today is really the purpose of educating the judge on their theories of defense. >> of course, the contention of those supporting the prosecution for a while now has been that she is less experienced, has been overturned once by the 11th circuit and is potentially delaying this case. a case that they frankly thought was a slam dunk. let me also just play the sound that gabe, you were referring

to. this is the president just moments ago speaking to a group of county leaders here in washington for a conference today. >> vitalizing fence line communitied smothered by the legacy of pollution. i know it doesn't look look it, but i've been around a while. i do remember that. >> the president clearly trying to take the sting out of that report before a favorable audience today. garrett haake, gabe, katie, thank you so much for starting us off. and we have breaking news in yesterday's terrible shooting at joel osteen's church in houston. two senior law enforcement officials briefed on the matter tell nbc news the suspect was carrying an assault style rifle which had the word, palestine, written on it. tom winter joins us now.

it was reported that it was a woman who was the alleged shooter. >> andrea, yes. good afternoon. at 2:30 eastern time today, the fbi and houston police department expected to conduct a briefing, what they found, what they're still looking for, which is our understanding they're still looking for a motive. could be hate crime related, terrorism, something else entirely. but they are hot on the chase. they've executed a search warrant at this individual's home north of texas. at this hour, we can tell you the individual who's believed to be responsible for this shooting and is now deceased, shot by two off duty officers at the church after shots were fired, they've identified this person as 36 years old, that they are transgender. we have a couple of different names. we're just trying to rectify with public information and public databases to make sure that we report accurately, but we should be able to do that soon. they say what happened is this individual approached the church at some point during the course of the shooting, they said they

had bombs. turned out to be unfounded. you're looking at a bomb squad vehicle and robot dead center screen above those flags. they stated they had the bombs. they searched the vehicle, did not find any. there were known on this person so they ruled that out. over the course of the incident, we're not quite sure the sequences yet, still something they're looking at. there were over several dozen rounds that were fired and this person had the assault style rifle. their criminal history, more information on the gun, still things they're looking into. we'll continue to report out as we get the latest details. >> tom winter, thanks so much. and new hope. israelis cheering the return of two hostages freed from captivity as negotiators push for a hostage deal to try to get the rest out. the state of those talks next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in just 60 seconds. stay with us. you're watching msnbc. t 60 secos stay with us you're watching msnbc. that's why my go to is nurtec odt.

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the hamas attacks of october 7th, israeli forces have rescued two more hostages from gaza. the two israeli men were air lifted to a hospital in israel. they were then united with their families and according to israeli military, they are in good condition. the operation to free the men involved israeli air strikes on rafah. that's a city in gaza near the egyptian border in the south where more than a million displaced palestinians have been also sheltering. palestinian health officials say the air strikes killed dozens of people including women and children. meanwhile, one senior u.s. administration official tells nbc news a new hostage deal is pretty much there. other officials are telling me today there is still a significant issue not yet resolved with hamas. joining us now is molly hunter from jerusalem. thanks for being on top of all of this. how could the latest rescue operation impact the hostage negotiations? i'm told that hamas is holding

out on something that's very important and that israel and the united states are actually in agreement on this. we know that the cia director is heading to egypt to try to get egypt to pressure, use whatever influence they have with hamas to try to narrow those final differences, but that they've agreed on most of the elements of a three-stage hostage release. >> reporter: that's a big deal and i think what you and others in our d.c. bureau have been reporting, too, is that this hostage deal will look different than november. it will be more complex and israel is going for all of the hostages. i think one of the things we've been trying to figure out today as we get more details, is does this hostage rescue embolden netanyahu? does it make him for comfortable walking away or more likely to make a deal because he's had a taste of victory. we saw that reunion video.

two happy families thinking the israeli government for their efforts. what the rescue tells us is that one, this is possible. we've only seen two successful rescue operations in the last four months since october. they were kept in a civilian building in rafah on the second floor. also, it comes at a huge cost. health authorities say dozens of palestinians were killed in that area that provided cover for the hostages as they were making their escape. speaking of the cost of these air strikes, we just got a statement from the spokesperson from the militant arm of hamas who now says three, looks like i'm reading this right now. three hostages were also killed in the israeli air strikes. nbc news has not confirmed yet, but that suggests and speaks to the complexity of operating like this in such an urban environment. andrea? >> one of the big disagreements that president biden stressed in a phone call with the prime

minister yesterday is over rafah. over a grand, any ground operation. secretary blinken made that very clear in his public comments in tel aviv last week. it's an issue of disagreement between netanyahu and the u.s. government. which feels that you cannot go in on the ground in rafah with all those civilians sheltering there and a million people in a tent city. >> reporter: that's where the u.s. and other strategic arab partners are in agreement. israel cannot go in a ground incursion. rafah is the southern most city in the gaza strip, right up against the egyptian border. 1.4 million palestinians who have been displaced from other part of the gaza strip. these are not residents of rafah necessarily. these are people who have had to move again and again to an area that the israeli military told

them to go to. just to read part of the readout, the president says any operation in rafah should not proceed without a credible and executable plan for insuring safety and support of the millions there. right now, they're clearly, if there is a plan, it is not up to u.s. standards and has not met whatever bar the u.s. has set. the other really strong language we're hearing is from the region. the border. they have warned of dire consequences. they say they would not accept the displacement of palestinians into egypt. they don't want a million palestinian refugees. they've also said, and this is really important, that it threatens the 1979 peace treaty. >> thank you so much. joining us now is david ignatius. david, you, among all correspondents, have been on the forefront of reporting on the hostage deals that have been going on with bill burns.

now he's heading to egypt tomorrow to try to close a deal. i'm told that there is a lot of disagreement over rafah and other issues, that there is broad agreement between the u.s. and netanyahu on the hostage negotiations. but that there is one very large remaining issue with hamas. pretty good sense of what it is. what is your reporting telling you? >> so, andrea, it's basically the same. that they're close but not there and the key issue as i understand it remains hamas' desire that this all for all hostage exchange be the end of the conflict. they want to know that when the extended pause in fighting ends, israel won't go back to war. that's precisely what israel refuses to offer them. working out language on that has been difficult. people have been trying for weeks to do that. the problem i think of today's

events early this morning's events in rafah reports by your correspondent, is that in a sense, it enhances both biden's and prime minister netanyahu's arguments. prime minister netanyahu can say as he did on tv on sunday, victory is within reach. here we are, we're moving in rafah. we're going after these hostages. freeing two of them. but biden can say the cost of that rescue mission in terms of palestinian civilian casualties, perhaps, we're just getting these fragmentary reports from the hamas side so we can't trust them yet. but perhaps at a cost of israeli hostages, too. biden can say this is not the credible, well planned operation that he was talking about. so i think each, in a way, is reenforced. i do think we're heading toward a showdown between biden and netanyahu over the way that this desire the u.s. has for

deescalation through hostage release negotiations. they're come to be a crunch on that. i'm told that biden is prepared to be much tougher with netanyahu if he doesn't give way. >> yeah, and there is a phase one where there's broad agreement on what hostages would come out, the women and the six week pause in the fighting, but also there's big disagreement with hamas over the demand for all those palestinian prisoners, the ratio as well. nbc is also reporting, david, that president biden has been venting his frustration about the prime minister in private. that's not entirely new. they've never gotten along fully, but that he's now beginning to say it. and trying to get them to agree to reduce civilian deaths and get more aid in. also, blinken on his last two trips has been meeting separately with opposition

leaders and other members of the war cabinet. there's a building opposition to netanyahu which he sees as threatening but the u.s. says biden has been calling netanyahu a quote, a hole. i'm cleaning that up. and the u.s. believes that netanyahu is putting his own political future and staying out of legal jeopardy ahead of what's best for his country. >> so, andrea, as you know from your reporting, the u.s. has put together a broad effort to deescalate the conflict and move toward a resolution through the saudi offer of normalization with israel. through work that jordan has been doing with the palestinian authority to create what is being called a revitalized palestinian authority that could be a pathway to a palestinian state. king abdullah of jordan is in washington today. is going to be meeting with the white house to outline his plans

for helping the palestinians to get better governments, a kind of security force that could reassure israelis. so all of this is waiting, but it requires the hostage release deal and the extended calm in fighting for anybody to be willing to step forward. the saudis will not move until there's a halt in fighting in gaza. neither will the jordanians. that's why this moment is so tense. u.s. really wants the deal and the pause in fighting. netanyahu keeps saying let me keep going. we're so close. we're so close. i think that's emotionally at the heart of this. >> david ignatius, as always, thank you very much. and europe on edge. the long reaching ripple effects of former president trump's stunning comments about nato and putin. that's next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. watching "anl reports" on msnbc. you! your business bank account with quickbooks money now earns 5% apy.

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european leaders including nato allies are outraged by former president trump's comments this weekend where he encouraged russia to quote, do whatever the hell they want if they were to attack a country that didn't spend enough on defense. what message did that send? i can only imagine, admiral, your reaction when you saw that. as a former sacker as it's known. europe is up in arms over it. verbally. the fact that the e.u. got all their members together including hungary to put 40, $50 billion in ukraine's pocket just a week or so ago and the u.s. has still not anteed up and the u.s. is not number one on its contributions to nato. far from it.

per capita for gdp. >> yeah. you and i old enough to remember mr. gorbachev tear down this wall. what we're hearing now is mr. putin, do whatever you want to europe. we've come a long way since the days of ronald reagan and it would be a klaas sal mistake for the united states to walk away from nato. here is an alliance of 32 countries that represent over 55% of the world's gdp. 3 million troops under arms. almost all of them volunteers. and by the way, on defense spending, the europeans collectively spend over $300 billion a year. news flash. that's the second largest defense budget in the world. bigger than china. about triple what russia puts on the table. so where former president trump is coming up with this

mysterious conversation where supposedly the leader of a large european country said to him, sir, what would you do if we didn't pay or dues, i can assure you, that conversation never happened. it's surreal. so, again, this is a real failure of u.s. leadership if we walk away. and you're correct, andrea. the europeans are quite concerned about it. >> yeah. i was actually at the gate covering reagan's speech. one of the great moments of my career because it was so dramatic. defense secretary lloyd austin very unhappy epilogue here has canceled his trip to brussels after being hospitalized for a bladder issue. not related supposedly to the

prostate. he's alerted the white house, the joint chiefs. joint chiefs chairman, general brown. he was much more transparent about his health according to the new guidelines he's agreed to compared to when he was hospitalized in general. your thoughts? >> immense patriot of this nation. we all wish him well and he will, i'm sure, recover. number two, he owned the mistake he made. very few people do that these days. he said, i did this. i handled this poorly. i'll do it right next time. i don't think he anticipated turning around a few weeks later and getting a chance to show that, but he's done so. and thirdly, the deputy secretary of defense hicks, highly competent and capable. the department's in good hands between her and the chairman of the joint chiefs, general brown.

u.s. security won't miss a beat. let's hope that lloyd austin recovers quickly. >> indeed. thank you so much. next, a deep dive into former president trump's extensive list of legal issues from a leading institutional law professor. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. watching "andreal reports. this is msnbc. while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. e*trade from morgan stanley.

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for donald trump to appeal to the court that firmly rejected his claims of immunity from criminal prosecution because he's a former president. even if he files that appeal as expected, could still decline to take the case. that would permit pretrial motions to begin in his d.c. elections interference trial. it's all been on hold. joining me now is lawrence tribe, who has decades of experience arguing and studying the supreme court. it's a great privilege. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me, andrea. >> well, professor tribe, on immunity. first of all, do you expect an appeal from donald trump today and then what do you expect the supreme court to do? is there any way to figure whether even though the appeals court ruled it had little if any merit, whether they would want to put their stamp on something that had never been decided by the high court? >> well, donald trump has

another 11 hours within which to seek a stay of the decision of the d.c. circuit. the unanimous decision, rejecting his extraordinary, extravagant and unprecedented claim of immunity. i don't expect that the u.s. supreme court will grant his stay. there's really no basis for it. i don't think there's any good reason for the u.s. supreme court to grant review of the case. so i think the odds are really very good that by tomorrow, we'll be back on track before judge chutkan and the clock will be ticking again. she won't be able to begin the trial on march 4th as originally scheduled, but it could certainly begin by late spring or early summer and the american people will have an answer beyond a reasonable doubt as to

whether donald trump did in fact try to steal the 2020 election by committing the very serious crimes that are charged by jack smith in this indictment. and it's very important to note that although the label of the indictment is not insurrection against the constitution, it is not the label that counts. it's the content. if in fact he is convicted of trying to undermine and destroy the constitution's central pillar, which involves the transfer of power from one president to the next, that will satisfy what section three of the 14th amendment identifies as an insurrection against the constitution and it will legally disqualify mr. trump from ever again holding the office of president, whatever the supreme court says in the colorado case. which raises a rather narrower question of whether an

individual state may exclude donald trump from its ballot. >> you seem rather confident that the court will not weigh in. will not further delay. she's not been able to do any pretrial, you know, hearings. she's not been able to do jury selection. she could have gotten an earlier start if everything had not been put on hold by his immunity appeal which most legal scholars said was frivolous. >> i think it is frivolous and i think even the current very conservative supreme court will have no reason to disgrace itself by playing into trump's obvious gambit of simply delay, delay, delay. it will be obvious to everybody if the supreme court grants a stay in a case where it's inconceivable that it would do anything other than eventually affirm what the d.c. circuit

held in rejecting the claim that a sitting president can do anything he wants. kill his opponent if he wants. and then when he's out of office, he can't be prosecuted. there's no way the u.s. supreme court and i would venture to say that nobody on the current court would agree with it. and given they won't agree, it would be obvious that for them to grant a stay is simply to delay the accountability of this former president. you know, the right to speedy trial is not just the right of the accused. not just a right of the prosecution. it's the right of the american people to know when they go to the polling booth, whether the person they are voting for has been convicted of trying to steal the last election. committing a very grave felony and undermining the constitution. and the only way the american people can know that is if we get going with the trial before judge chutkan and the only way

that can happen is if the court denies the stay. and that's why i think it's almost certain it will do that. >> what is your view about the controversy surrounding the special counsel, not just to prosecute biden for taking documents and not handling them in the proper way, but for what he's described as his lack of memory. his failure to remember many things during five hours of interviews. he does point out that he cooperated, unlike donald trump. that he didn't withhold documents, try to obstruct or destroy documents. didn't have to be subpoenaed. but despite that cooperation, he went very far in a damaging political description of the former president, current

president. >> those gratuitous remarks were disgraceful. an abuse of power. it's clear the department of justice under its rules even for a special counsel, precludes dumping on something you decided not to prosecute. after all, when you do prosecute someone, they have their day in court. they can defend themselves. apart from a press conference, there was nothing joe biden could do to defend himself from those remarks. i think it's clear that merrick garland in his role as attorney general should have granted the request by the president's personal counsel, robert bower, to either redact those unwarranted and improper comments or to insist they be deleted and failing that, merrick garland really owed the country his own statement explaining why all of that extraneous stuff was irrelevant

and why the relevant conclusion by robert herr, who had been appointed despite the fact he is a very conservative republican, the relevant conclusion was that joe biden committed no crime. he was careless. a lot of people are careless. but he did not commit a crime and the distinctions between his careless retention of some documents that were classified then cooperating fully with the government's request to get them back. the distinction between that and the blatant obstruction of justice that is charged against donald trump in the case pending before judge cannon's court, that distinction is sort of night and day. and the suggestion by donald trump and his quite frivolous motion that this was selective prosecution, the latest gambit he's claimed before the judge is

just without any merritt. although given judge cannon's record, you never know what she's going to do next. i think the time has come and it will i think be upon us soon, for jack smith to seek in the 11th circuit to have her removed from this case because she has handled the prosecution in mar-a-lago in a way that has taken what should have been an open and shut case and dragged it out and played along with the former president's desire to delay and thereby avoid accountability until after the election. >> a lot of suggestions there, professor tribe. thank you very much. i should point out, we have to leave it there, but the attorney general was former student, constitutional law student at harvard. >> he is and i admire and like him, but i think he has handled this very badly. >> thank you for joining us

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without continuing opposition from donald trump which could doom it in the house. while mr. trump has been lobbying republican senators to reject any money nor ukraine, his weekend comments encouraging vladimir putin's aggression against nato could have backfired because independent senator bernie sanders of vermont voted with republicans against the bill. 18 other republicans joined all other democrats in a rare sunday session to clearing a way for a possible final vote as soon as tomorrow. joining us is senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. you came together and approved $54 billion in aid for ukraine earlier in the month. in light of donald trump's comments about nato and the house doesn't vote this, how big a failure is this for the u.s. with grurp, especially with a lot of members of congress, republicans like myself heading to munich where ukraine is going to be a big subject two years into this war? >> you never think that donald

trump can continue to shock you, but he certainly did this weekend when he said russia should be able to do, in his words, whatever the hell they want. he's talking here about a tyrant that has ordered civilian planes to be shot down, someone who thinks nothing about killing his adversaries or poisoning journalists. in this case i will say 18 republicans stood up against it in the senate despite his lobbying attemptsment they stood up against it, and they are in favor of this package. now, i would have liked for it to include the border security measures, the fentanyl -- to stem the flow of fentanyl into the country, but they voted against that which will continue to be an issue, giving the president the emergency powers to finally do something about border security. that all being said, we now have enough votes, and you know the magic number is 60, to move this bill along.

what's happening right now is debates about do we do amendments, a limited number of amendments? i'm pushing very hard for the afghan adjustment act to stand with our allies who stood with our soldiers, a bill i have with senator graham and senator moran. we've got significant support for that. at the same time right now the focus is we cannot side with a tyrant, someone who does not have america's best interests in mind. instead we stand with democracy ars around the world and our allies which is 50% of the economy. if you want to look at it -- of the world's gdp. if you want to look at it selfishly from the lens of our own economy or national security, either way you look at it, we should stand with our allies. >> our nato allies, many of them are spending more of their gdp on nato, some of the scandinavian countries than we are, in terms of defense

contracts and jobs. >> and these countries have also -- i stood at the border in poland. they've taken in -- 40 european companies -- 40 countries around the world have taken in 8 million refugees. poland, millions of refugees. i stood there at that border and saw them just streaming in with nothing but their belongings, little kids with their stuffed animals in a backpack. we know this is going on. at this point militarily we're seeing it's an ammunition war. we've seen russia, 10,000 rounds a day versus ukraine, 2,000 rounds a day. that's why our aid in addition to the commitment of the european nations is so critical. if putin is allowed to just march into ukraine, there's nothing stopping him from keeping on marching into other nato countries which would trigger our military involvement, something no one wants and it's every bit of a reason again to stand with our

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