was training or acquiring new weapons, talking about hurting herself or others, and they'll look at the tape and video tape at the church, and saying the initial entrance, passing a security officer, was there something there that should have caused concern, a trench coat, a bag, that kind of thing security officers are trained to watch for. look, we're at a point in society where multiple armed off duty police officers are hired to secure our houses of worship. they did their job. the question moving forward is how do we mitigate the need for all of those people. >> and we heard an official say churches, synagogues, mosques there are going to need extra support right now. frank figliuzzi, thank you. they are translating what we heard earlier. we will go back to it as more new information comes to us. but that's going to do it for us this hour. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now.

♪♪ law enforcement officials in houston just gave an update on yesterday's shooting at pastor joel osteen's megachurch. one victim has been released from the hospital. the other is a 7-year-old boy who is in critical condition. shot in the head. joining us now, nbc news investigative correspondent tom winter. the 7-year-old boy was brought in by the suspect, the shooter who was killed. how did he end up getting shot in the head? >> according to law enforcement officials, katy, gennessey moreno, who they identified as the shooter, she's 36 years old. pulls up in a white vehicle, exits the vehicle. takes the kid from the car, a bag from the car. is brought in to the church or at least welcomed into the church much the way that presumably anybody else would and then takes a gun out and starts firing. at some .2 off duty members of law enforcement engage with her. they fire a number of rounds, we're told over three dozen

fired by the shooter alone. there's a shoot out that occurs. it's not immediately clear who shot the boy. it might have been the off duty officers. it might have been the shooter. it might have been a ricochet bullet. it's too soon to say. obviously the primary concern for first responders is to try to get the 7-year-old to a point where they survive this incident. a gunshot wound to the head, as you said, for any kid is, if they make it through, it will be a miracle. that's the first thing as far as it pertains to that 7-year-old. more details on a possible motive. law enforcement saying they haven't come to a determination, but this individual had a documented history with mental health concerns, going back to 2016 when the houston police department put in an emergency detention order. they have six priorities. apparently, according to houston police in their head of homicide, there was a dispute

recently between moreno and the ex-husband's family who are jewish and anti-semitic writings found on this individual, separate and apart from the press conference, nbc news is reporting there were several chemicals that authorities are trying to determine whether or not they could be used to help put together an explosive found during a federal search warrant executed on moreno's home. the details here are obviously particularly horrific. but it's very clear from both what officials said at the press conference and what we have been reporting on the shooting is the fact that it is only two people that have been shot here besides the shooter is frankly just incredible. this could have turned out so much worse. the individual obviously had a lot of ammo on them and came prepared to do a lot of damage yesterday. so just a difficult case all together. katy. >> tom, i'm going to interrupt you there. they're taking questions. let's go back in. that day and all the days, going. >> can you talk, sir, about the

relationship between the suspect and the 7-year-old fighting for their life? >> i'll let the investigators say a few words on it. but we do believe it's a relative, and i think it's been confirmed that is the biological mother, yes, the biological mother. >> a question about the weapon and special agent in charge, we understand she had a previous criminal background. a weapon that was taken away from her and that the fbi also made question about a possible weapon she was going to purchase in 2023. how was she able to get ahold of these weapons? >> that's part of the investigation, and he can speak to that, if you want, really quickly, but that's the challenges that we have. and that's what law enforcement talk about all the time. we need to make sure everything is tight. we're not people standing up

here against second right amendments but people who are suffering from mental illness, criminals. we're looking at that, and if you want to add to it, okay. >> go ahead. come on. >> i don't really have anything to add. we're in the infancy stages of this. i understand you want to know the motive, how she got the weapon, why she did this, we're not there yet. >> reporter: the fbi does make an inquiry about weapons, someone who has mental health issues and a criminal background, what do you with that information? >> when that information comes through, the fbi will receive it, and we share that with our local partners. >> go ahead. >> reporter: was it clear how much ammunition the suspect was carrying between the two rifles? >> i think we were working through it. can i say multiple rounds of ammunition. multiple rounds were fired.

24 hours into it, i don't want to give you a definitive answer. multiple rounds, and multiple rounds fired. go ahead, and we'll work our way to the back. >> indicated christian moreno, is that the officer for hbd that returned fire? >> christopher moreno, and we'll be sending that information out to y'all. i don't want to speak for my tabc, but we'll get that out sometime pretty soon. >> reporter: dealing with multiple morenos is there any relation? >> no, not that we know of. >> reporter: a question, a clarification on my question. >> one more and that's it. there's a lot of people in the room. go ahead, mario. >> reporter: i got it at 1:53 she arrives, how long before there was gunfire engaged and how long did that gun exchange

last? >>. >> the shooting began almost instantaneous of her entering the building, 1:55. takes her a minute to get in after talking with the security guard. firing commences right after that. there's a few minute gun battle for lack of a better term. they're exchaking gunfire. she is down, and then our officers followed their tactical training. they linked up. they talked, talked about a game plan, approached the body. somebody else pulled the 7-year-old to safety. all of this transpired within a matter of, you know, less than 12 minutes. >> we'll get a time line later. let me get to more questions. >> reporter: it's a long way from conroe where she lived. >> i can't speculation. as i said earlier, i want us to kind of get this. it could be any location. bad people or people suffering

from mental illness with guns, we need to all look out for them. >> reporter: was she in a dispute with some services there? >> not at all. >> reporter: there are resources. [ inaudible ] >> say that one more time, i'm sorry. [ speaking in global language ] >> one in back and work our way in the front. how you doing?

>> reporter: prefacing the writings -- so we have been listening to the news conference from texas officials, houston officials about the shooting at joel osteen's church. a woman was killed, the shooter, and her 7-year-old boy was shot in the head. joining us now, retired seattle police chief and msnbc law enforcement analyst, carmen best. what is the protocol when a shooter comes in with a child? is there a protocol? >> no, it's really difficult. the idea is that if an active shooter comes in, you want to detain, isolate, and eliminate the threat. i'm sure that is what the two officers were trying to do in this circumstance, and it's very tragic and sad. i don't know, you know, exactly the circumstances around the young child getting shot. but very sad that happened. the mother leading the child to the circumstances is tragic.

there's a documented series of mental health issues also, you know, criminal behavior, how could she get a gun? >> yeah, that's a good question. i think the chief was asking the same thing, and talking about the fact that they're going to investigate as part of the investigation how she located the gun, somehow did she have it. did she purchase it. we don't know. that's information that they'll be talking about and trying to get those details. >> anything sticking out at you in terms of what you've heard so far regarding this investigation? just another horrible event with, you know, a person who clearly had mental issues getting access to a gun, and trying to kill people, instead finding herself killed and her 7-year-old shot in the head. >> yeah, it's so sad. we have just all of these sad stories from the shootings that

are occurring. it's a miracle in many ways that the way she was armed that no one else was hurt. there was not further damage or casualties in this situation. for that, at least, we can be thankful. but these situations are truly tragic. >> tom winter, do you know more about how she got the gun? >> in the state of texas, one one of the few states we can get someone's entirely criminal history. when we pulled out earlier today, the only convictions that we are able to see is that there are a number of misdemeanor convictions or guilty pleas. there's no felonies. depending on the circumstances of those plea agreements. they would not have tripped a felon in possession, somebody you could not sell a gun to. based on the criminal history, there's tho indication this person should have been

prohibited from buying a firearm legally. according to the houston police department, they have had their concerns about this individual, and they were able to get an emergency detention order back in 2016. that order appears to have lapsed but not in effect at this time. looking at it strictly through the public records that are available to us now, and i don't have subpoena power or search warrant authority, it does not appear they would have tripped any of the trip wires, if you will, that would have prevented this person from legally purchasing a gun. i know there are folks who will watch this and say are you ouch your mind, look at this person's mental health history, and what occurred here today, but the law, look k at these documents does not seem to be a prohibitive factor in allowing this person to buy a game. >> when you say it's not a gun issue, it's a mental health issue, you better have rules in place to make sure people with mental health issues don't get those guns. tom winter, thank you very much. >> and we're going to move on to

our other top story of the day, it is monday, february 12th and the start of a consequential week for donald trump. today is the deadline for his legal team to ask the supreme court to intervene on his immunity claim. last week, a d.c. appeals court torched his argument that as president he was above the law. will the supreme court take the place or let the appeals addition stand. could there be skepticism around the decision to bar trump from the ballot, set the court up to cleanly rule against donald trump on immunity. we'll see. it's expected that the new york ag wants trump to pay $370 million and be barred from doing business in new york state. will judge engoron agree? third, on thursday, in another new york court just down

the street, judge juan mar chan will decide when to schedule the first criminal trial of an ex-president ever. will it be before the election. fourth, in south florida, this morning, donald trump showed up to attend a classified documents hearing as judge aileen cannon met with both the special counsel and trump's lawyers to go over discovery ahead of the classified documents trial. joining us now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian, and lisa rubin. it's a grab bag here. i'll let you start wherever you would like. >> the hearing in the classified documents case in florida was interesting, mainly about what kinds of classified material trump and his lawyers will get access to as part of the defense. judge cannon scheduled a 4 1/2 hours hearing, outside the presence of prosecutors. this is a closed hearing, where trump's lawyers were expected to present some of their defense theories while arguing they do, in fact, need access to certain

classified evidence. it's interesting, trump was not required to attend the session. he chose to do so anyway. this would have been the first time he was face to face with cannon who he nominated from the bench and perceived to grant him favorable rulings. in a session with prosecutors outside the presence of trump's legal team where jack smith's group will argue against giving trump access to classified evidence, they're expected to propose changes, like deleting names of countries and details of intelligent sources and methods and hoping that will be adequate to let the defendants make their point in court. the hearings are taking place in space housed to outfit classified information. >> what do you think of donald trump showing up to this hearing, ken? >> reporter: it seems to be part of a strategy where he is making a point of doing that in various cases in order to, you know, sort of show his sporters that

he is being persecuted by the legal system, and hung up in court when he should be campaigning. that's one way to look at it. >> lisa, let's talk about the wide range of cases against him. the supreme court and immunity. this is the deadline. the appeals court said to donald trump you've got to get your motions in by monday. you can't take the 90-day period to get them in. it's not asking the court to rule on this. what are they asking donald trump's team to do today? >> all donald trump needs to do by today is ask the supreme court to stay or pause any further proceedings if the lower court. theoretically if they were to grant the motion for a stay, they would give him a window of time to review the lower court. agreeing to grant a review of the case takes four justices.

so we may learn everything we need to know just in the reaction to the motion that he has to file today. will the supreme court sort of pause the clock for trump. if there aren't five justices who will say yes, that tells you that the case can continue with judge tanya chutkan down blow. >> could it get back on the schedule rather quickly? >> yes, it doesn't mean it's going to trial anytime soon. motion practice can resume and the kinds of things put on hold can resume. the march trial date was taken off the calendar, another trial in april. it's unclear when this could get started. if that happens, if the supreme court doesn't stay the case, it certainly will get to trial well before a lot of primary voters vote, and certainly before the general election. judge engoron, we have been waiting for him. he said by the end of the month in january, we are well into

february. it's almost valentine's day. he's considering whether to fine donald trump $370 million, which is what the ag wants. upped it from $250. more crucially for donald trump, he can't do business in new york. what's at play and why do we expect a decision this week? >> judge engoron expected to rule from early february to mid february. the midpoint of february is at the end of this week. i think everyone is expecting this week is the week. in terms of the remedies, you're right to say they want $370 million from donald trump, which coupled with the award to e. jean carroll, $88.3 billion might exceed the amount of cash or liquidity that donald trump has on hand, even by his own admission. >> he has to postpone. if he appeals the rulings, he

has to post the money. >> he can find the equivalent of an insurance company. he would put up roughly 10 to 20%, and give them collateral. he can't transfer assets without knowledge and notice to the court and the indemnity monitor in that case, former judge barbara jones. >> the alvin bragg trying, hush money famt, it's the first case that he was indicted on. >> on thursday, the point of the hearing is to determine whether or not donald trump's motions pre-trial to get additional discovery, to dismiss the indictment full out. can get any traction. in addition to that, most people don't expect that to map, and they're looking for judge

marshal to set a trial date. he may say given where we are, he doesn't have enough information. on the other hand, he's prepared to go forward. we know he's talked to judge chutkan in the past. he hasn't been keen on revealing details. >> lisa rubin and ken dilanian, we'll watch and get a consequential. donald trump said he would let russia invade a nato country if it didn't pay up. what it would mean for the united states, if donald trump becomes president and follows through on that promise. if those words are real. and who's going to replace george santos, the special election is tomorrow. what issues will matter and what it will tell us about vember. plus, what president biden calls prime minister benjamin netanyahu in private, and when it will affect what the white house does for israel in public. we're back in 60 seconds. frz

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. one of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, sir, if we don't pay, and we're attacked by russia, will you protect us. i said, you didn't pay, you're delinquent, let's say that happened, no, i would not protect you. in fact, i would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. you got to pay your bills. >> that was former president donald trump telling supporters in south carolina he would encourage russia to invade a nato ally. afterwards, republicans on the hill were asked about it. here is what they said. >> i would be worried. i would be very worried, especially if they don't have 2% of their gdp. >> i think it's very important what trump was saying that they need to pay their fair share, and they need to pay. i think it was a mistake to say he would encourage russia to attack them. that was a careless remark, and shouldn't have been said. >> i think, i mean, i think the

message should be, the united states -- >> joining us now, former u.s. ambassador to russia, and msnbc international affairs analyst, michael mcfaul. could you tell me what functionally it would mean if donald trump became president and followed through on this and said, hey, germany, i don't think you're paying quite enough or you're not paying 2% of your gdp or poland, you're not paying 2% of your gdp and looked at russia and vladimir putin, and said go for it, do whatever you want? >> it would be catastrophic, and i think the senators are too calm in talking about how catastrophic it would be. if russia, god forbid, putin decides to tests nato, decides to attack, or even attack sdmen and retreat from our nato allies, it will cause chaos,

economic chaos, we will eventually be dragged in. we have american soldiers in many of those countries. do you really think that if american soldiers were attacked by russia the american people would rally behind president trump and say that's not our problem? of course that's not going to happen. by signaling weakness, we encourage these kinds of outcomes. so i just think it's so outrageously inappropriate for any of the united states to say such things, and i wish poem people from the party, i wish they would say it louder, how outrageous it is. >> you have a lot of house republicans and republicans in the senate who don't agree even in private. they'll say they don't want to get involved in the world's issues. they don't want to get involved in russia's war in ukraine, they don't want to get involved with the taiwan stuff. they don't want to get involved with the middle east. if donald trump is president,

and he hues to what the republicans are feeling, and they're falling in line behind him, and he says i'm going to pull american troops out of country x or country y and that's the nato country that russia invades and there's not americans on the ground there, i'm just trying to game plan what it would look like so that people understand when they're voting, what would it look like if americans pulled out of europe and allowed russia to do what they wanted? america became more isolationist as it seems some republicans are advocating? >> it's a great question. i would encourage americans to read history. read the 1930s. because this is exactly -- where did the phrase america first come from? it came from isolationists in the united states in the 1930s. when italians went to ethiopia, not our problem, the japanese went to china, many americans

said not our problem, they will never threaten us. and hitler went into poland, 1939 and the soviets went in too, we said not our problem, not our problem. we don't need to get involved, and then we know how that story ends. that story ends december 7th, 1941, when we are attacked and dragged into world war ii, and had we been more engaged before then, we might have avoided world war ii. to me, that's exactly the analogy now. read history, let's learn from history so that we don't repeat those horrible mistakes from history again. >> what do you say to voters or republicans who say he's already been president. we know what he's done in the past. he didn't pull out of nato before. this is just them speaking off the cuff. you can't take him seriously. >> i hear that a lot. and i hope that's right, and if he becomes elected president, i hope that will be the case. but i'd say two things are different this time around. number one, you won't have the

generals around him that helped him not do those stupid things. secretary of defense matas, hr mcmaster, none will be on trump team 2.0. second, if he's reelected, mr. trump will think he has a mandate to do those kinds of things that he didn't have the first time around. i think it will be a lot more dangerous should he be reelected president the next time around. >> ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you for joining us. >> and we're about to get our first look at what november is going to be like. voters in george santos's old district, new york 3 on long island will decide who to replace him with tomorrow. the contest is between a well known democrat who used to sit in the seat, tom suozzi and a completely unknown republican, new comber, mazi philip. what will be driving voters, abortion, immigration,

republicans rejected a compromise on the board, or trust. how heavy is the santos hangover? whatever it is, both parties are deeply invested because the outcome not only foreshadows november, it will immediately change the voting dynamic in the house. joining us now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent, ryan nobles and in great neck, new york, nbc news senior national political report, sahil kapur. what are voters telling you about how they plan on voting tomorrow? >> reporter: this high stakes election pits the republican mazi philip against tom suozzi, known as mazi versus suozzi. there are local issues like the environment and drinking water at play. there's heavy emphasis everywhere else around the country. this is a swing district that joe biden played.

it's a district that went to george santos by 8 points in 2022. it's the bellwether battle ground that could decide the majority and give us a glimpse into the presidential election. issues that are playing here. immigration, public safety, abortion, unease about washington. let's play what some of the voters told me earlier today? >> eleven months we have been without a voice. now it's closer to a year and, you know, a year and a quarter that we have been without a voice in washington. they're trying to give us a candidate who is just going to be a rubber stamp for the republicans. she has no ideas of her own. she has no policy experience. and she's just so not ready for prime time. she's being hidden from the community, and people who go get thrown out of her events if they don't know who they are. it's just outrageous. i'm not an infuriated as i was when santos was elected but it's close. >> reporter: that's one woman who said she was so embarrassed by the election of george

santos, she came out of retirement to get involved in this. she's working to help tom suozzi get elected. it was 48% for tom suozzi, 44% for mazi pilip. a 9 point advantage on abortion. tom suozzi has a 23 point advantage. this is a pro choice district, and he leads on protecting democracy and making congress work. the biggest issue in tv ads on heavy rotation is migration. tom suozzi is trying to counter the attacks pointing out he supported a bipartisan bill, mazi pilip opposes t. the one issue that unifies voters, george santos, they are embarrassed by him. quite embarrassed that he got elected and regardless of whether they're supporting mazi pilip or tom suozzi, they want to turn the page on him.

>> you're going to hear a tom suozzi ad talking about ice, a republican ad or a tom suozzi ad saying he's supporting i.c.e. it's blanketing the air waves in the tristate area. ryan nobles, this is such an important race. it's going to change what's going on in congress right now. republicans have a very narrow majority that they are having a really hard time keeping together. if they lose this seat and lose that, you know, that blank check they had with george santos, what does it mean for their ability to impeach alejandro mayorkas, to pass any legislation, what's going to happen? >> reporter: everything becomes more difficult in terms of the way the republicans are trying to govern the house of representatives. the most obvious example would be what's happening here tomorrow night. it's going to be the second run at attempt to go impeach alejandro mayorkas, the homeland security secretary, and part of the reason they sped the process up and rush to get the house majority leader steve scalise back in washington, who's

recovering from cancer treatments and thankfully, he is declared to be in remission right now, it's because of that election. if democrats are able to pull it off, as it stands right now, they basically can only afford to lose three votes on any given measure that they're working on. and so that's made it really difficult for the house speaker mike johnson to do basic stuff. the normal functions of the house of representatives because the freedom caucus flank of his party has such a loud voice and can basically derail any type of legislation they're trying to push forward. that's difficult for them, and makes it difficult for basic governance in totality. there's a national security supplemental package that it looks like the senate is poised to pass later this week. there's no telling what happens in the house once it gets to this side of the capital. this race is very important on many levels because the balance

of power will have a dramatic impact based on the results. >> ryan nobles, sahil kapur, gentlemen, thank you very much. david brooks writes donald trump came for the republican party but took over their souls. what is happening to make otherwise sober lawmakers claim it's perfect fine to talk about urging russia to invade a nato ally. when the pentagon says the secretary of defense will be back at work after another emergency hospital stay, do not go anywhere. go anywhere. i'm getting vaccinated... ...with pfizer's pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine. so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i already got a pneumonia vaccine, ...but i'm asking about the added protection of prevnar 20®. if you're 19 or older with certain chronic conditions... ...like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease,...

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last week on the heels of republicans rejecting the bipartisan and arguably conservative leaning immigration deal because the solution would be hard for donald trump to campaign on, david brooks of the "new york times" wondered what happened to the soul of the gop. quote, this wasn't just about republicans cynically bending their knee to trump, rather i'm convinced that trumpism now pervades the deepest recesses of their minds and governs their unconscious assumptions. their fundamental mental instincts are no longer conservative, but trumpian. joining us now, former republican congressman, charlie dent. does that explain the reaction to donald trump telling russia that they can do whatever they want to nato allies? >> i do think david brooks' comments are fair. they are fair. what's happened is that too many republicans have embraced the

isolationism, the nativism. the protectionism of donald trump. and it's really a major problem for this party. what's even more, i think, is when trump says these things about abandoning nato and letting russia walk in, he's advancing russia's and china's foreign policy objective. useful idiot is too gentle of a word to describe donald trump. it's sad to see members of my party and congress embracing this destructive and dangerous trumpian isolationist view. the good news is there are people like mike turner and certainly mitch mcconnell, mike mccall, brian fitzpatrick and others who want to fund ukraine, and they're very passionate about this, and this seems to me there's a real divide within the party, not all of them, and so many of them do not agree with donald trump. i wish they would be much more forceful in their comments.

>> i wonder if they're part of the same party any longer or if it's two separate parties and if there is a future where there is a third party, there's the trump party. there's the republican party, or what the republican party was that you were a part of. and then there are the democrats. >> well, yes. i mean, the republican party is very fractured at this moment. if you look what's happening in the congress right now, i really wouldn't want to be speaker mike johnson. the senate appears to be sending over this foreign bill that includes ukraine funding. the governing wing of the party is shrinking. there aren't enough of them. they are there. you know, and if you're speaker johnson right now, and this senate bill comes over, what are you going to do? do you want to be the guy who will be known as the one who allowed russia to become victorious over ukraine. you really want that to be your legacy? he's going to have to bring this bill up. so regardless of all of this trumpian nonsense and all of this foolish rhetoric we have

been hearing. disruptive rhetoric, at some point, the sober minds of the house gop, especially, are going to have to take the reins and say we're going to have to take our duty. >> let's project to the future, i don't know what's going to happen in november in the election. say donald trump wins and the republicans take back the senate because the electoral map on the senate side looks good for them, and say they are able to hang on to a majority in the house, what does policy look like with donald trump having the senate and the house? >> well, it's hard to say. i would say the house goes democrat, the senate probably republican. a lot can change between now and then. let's say we have a republican congress and a republican president. if donald trump is president, he's going to use his pen in destructive ways. there's not going to be anybody there to stop him, he's going to load his administration with a bunch sycophants and drifters.

he's going to be unleashed and unbridled. that's what i worry about. on trade policy, he is going to, you know, launch an even greater trade war than we're in now. he's talking about 10% across the board. he tells us what he's going to do. there should be no surprise that if we take this sharp, illiberal populous turn in policy, it remains to be seen, the good news is the senate, you need 60 votes to do anything over there. it doesn't always matter who's got the majority. that 60 vote threshold -- >> until a majority gets rid of the filibuster, and then all bets are off. >> the republicans, i don't think they'll do that. as a more moderate house republican, that filibuster is the only thing that forces some level of bipartisan cooperation in the united states congress. and so in my view, they would be sadly mistaken to remove that. >> we'll see what happens. charlie dent, thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. thanks for helping us understand what it's going to look like in

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last night in rafah. the raid, though, reportedly killed dozens of palestinians, and it comes as the criticism of israel reaches a fever pitch. new exclusive reporting from nbc news reveals that criticism goes all the way to the white house where privately president biden vents that prime minister benjamin netanyahu is a quote, a-hole, who won't listen to u.s. objections over the military tactics. in gaza. joining us now, nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez. give us a little bit more context on why president biden would use in term about prime minister benjamin netanyahu? >> reporter: well, katy, we have seen frustration in washington at the white house mounting over the last couple of weeks. day after day, prime minister netanyahu gets up and he says israel is preparing to launch a major ground assault on the city of rafah, the southern most city in gaza. netanyahu says it is hamas's last bastion, but it is also

where more than half the population of gaza are sheltering and most of those people, most of those 1.4 million people have been displaced from their homes in the north already. they fled to rafah in search of safety. they have the sealed egyptian border to their south, israeli forces to their north, and the u.s. is saying there is no way to launch an attack on that city right now, at least. without causing major civilian casualties, and that is not something the u.s. would support. israel says it is going to develop a plan to get those civilians out of harm's way before the fighting starts. but i spoke to a senior u.n. official in gaza earlier today. he says there is simply nowhere for them to run. now, also in rafah overnight, israeli special forces bursting into an apartment building at 1:49 a.m., according to the israeli military. they used explosives to breach a second floor apartment. they went in and according to

them, killed three armed hamas guards, rescued these two hostages, fernando, and luis har who had spent 129 days in captivity. they were driven by armored vehicle to an improvised helicopter pad inside of gaza and flown to a hospital here in the greater tel aviv area. they are said to be in good condition. they are reunited with their families, as you said, katy, a moment of celebration, a moment of joy here in israel. as those commandos were leaving rafah, the israeli air force le rafah they launched a wave of air strikes to recover their retreat. the hamas run health ministry said at least 67 palestinian killed, many of them civilians. >> raf sanchez, thank you very much. joining us is senior fellow at the carnegie endowment and former israeli negotiator david aaron miller. we've spoken a lot over the past few months, but it's been a week or so, can you give me the state of play with what prime minister

benjamin netanyahu is trying to accomplish bombarding rafah as raf was laying out and president biden getting so frustrated he's calling him names in private? >> let's start with the biden administration, katy. the biden administration has one principle objective right now getting an israeli hamas prisoner for prisoner hostage deal. it's the only thing that could change the picture in gaza, deescalate activity, free the hostages and open the door to alleviate much of the pressure primarily from the domestic audience that the administration is under. the problem is, that the u.s. is in much greater hurry to accomplish this than either benjamin netanyahu, who is worried about straining his right wing coalition, and hamas, who continues to play. it's setting up what you would expect five months into this

war, a significant confrontation between the u.s. and israel. i just don't think, based on the last five months, that this administration is ready and/or willing to impose a cost and consequence if the israelis don't see things their way. >> okay. so if they're not willing to do that, what's the point of getting frustrated in private? i mean, you have the leverage, you have the tools that you can use to pull benjamin netanyahu back, if you are so adamant that he is going too far, why not use them? >> here's the thing. you know, i think the president's in an investment trap, frankly. he needs benjamin netanyahu to make this decision. he needs this israeli government, not the next one, this israeli government, to agree to broker a deal or to agree a deal with the qataris, the americans, the egyptians, are now negotiating, bill burns

is either in qatar or on his way there, the cia director, he needs the cooperation of netanyahu otherwise you can hose a closed for the season sign towards this crisis and the president has shown little appetite for a sustained and public confrontation. no american president -- there are exceptions, bush 41, one of my former bosses james baker -- that's the exception rather than the rule, and i think there's a reasonable chance, reasonable chance, that, in fact, the next several days and/or weeks may actually produce such a negotiation. so the president is frustrate the, angry. wouldn't be the first time bill clinton emerging from a meeting with prime minister netanyahu in his first incarnation exploded and said who is the effing super power here he was so frustrated. frustrations are rising, but i think the question is whether the president wants to make a

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he had to undergo general an theeshs ya but expected to retake over his duties as secretary of defense as early as tomorrow. that's all according to the press secretary major general pat ryder. he went to the hospital yesterday afternoon, a little after 2:00 p.m. for this bladder issue. he underwent a series of tests and evaluations and about 5:00 p.m., several hours after he arrived, he transferred his authorities to the deputy secretary kathleen hicks. we now know that was for this general anesthesia he had to undergo. he has -- it's still not clear how much longer he will be in the hospital, but according to a statement out of walter reed one of the physicians there, he's expected to recover, this is not expected to be a long, extended stay in the hospital, and one thing that we keep hearing, katy, is that this does not have any bearing on his prostate cancer. of course he was diagnosed with prostate cancer in early december. the public and the white house didn't find out about that until

january. but the officials are saying that, in fact, this bladder issue does not have any bearing on his -- the prospects for his cancer to be cured. >> back out of the hospital tomorrow. do we expect the transfer will happen while he's still in the hospital today or transfer when he's back at work tomorrow. >> seems as if it's going to be tomorrow. he may not be out of the hospital tomorrow. that's not clear. >> okay. >> high that's critical he's got a big meeting that was scheduled to be in brussels on wednesday. the ukraine defense contact group. that will be held virtually. it's not clear if he will be able to take part in it. it's an important time because ukraine needs a lot of help and that's what this meeting was to discuss. >> thank you very much. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it is 4:00 here in new york. i'm alisa menendez in for nicolle wallace. a closed