tv Katy Tur Reports MSNBCW February 13, 2024 12:00pm-1:00pm PST
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hello, it's good to be with you. right now on capitol hill, house republicans are threatening to yank yet another bipartisan senate bill after pulling an all nighter, the upper chamber pushed through a $95 billion national security package which includes funding for israel, ukraine, and taiwan, but no border security measures. which is why mike johnson is hailing it as a nonstarter in the house and why some like lindsey graham are slamming it. echoing comments from president trump over the weekend who said the u.s. should stop approving aid all together unless it's structured as a loan.
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instead, the house is focusing on round two, trying to impeach homeland security mayorkas. speaker johnson believes he has the numbers this time around. after that stinging defeat on the floor last week. but the math is really all hinging on attendance. so how many last minute no shows can johnson afford today? elsewhere on the hill, democrats are calling for new steps to protect nato after donald trump said he would encourage russia to attack member countries that don't meet their financial targets. got a whole lot to cover. let's start with the reporting. ryan nobles and chief white house correspondent for the "new york times," peter baker. ryan, walk us through just how dicey things are looking for this bill in the house and how former president trump fits into all of this. >> there's no doubt that this was a tough sell in the senate. somehow the senate majority
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leader and mitch mcconnell were able to get it to 70 votes to get it over the finish line, but it's a much different situation in the house. obviously, the margins between republicans and democrats are so thin, but at the same time, house republicans have this cloud of donald trump hanging over them where trump has been insistent that this package not be passed in any way, shape, or form. that's made it very complicated for the house speaker to even entertain the idea of putting the bill on the floor. today, the majority leader, chuck schumer in the senate, pointing to the fact that 22 senate republicans voted for this package as a sign that it's something that conservatives can support. i specifically asked the majority leader what he would say to speaker johnson and this is how he responded. >> i will say to speaker johnson, i am confident that there's a large majority in the house who will vote for this bill. i am confident there are many republicans in his caucus. i know i've spoken to a whole
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bunch of them, who feel strongly we ought to pass this bill. and i will urge speaker johnson to step up to the moment and do the right thing. >> reporter: now, whether or not speaker johnson heeds those calls remains to be seen. he did briefly touch on the supplemental package today telling reporters that national security begins at the border. meaning that he wants some sort of border security aspect to this. this of course comes at the same time that he and his fellow republicans rejected a bipartisan agreement that included billions of dollars in border security funding and policy changes. even though this has gotten through the senate, we haven't made much progress in terms of getting funding for ukraine and israel over the finish line because it's going to be a very tough sell for mike johnson. >> so what's happening now with this house mayorkas impeachment vote today? >> reporter: they're going to
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take a second run at it. of course, last week, the house speaker embarrassed by the fact they thought they had enough votes to impeach when democrats surprised johnson and his team by having al green, one of their members who's recovering from surgery, show up at the last minute creating a tie, which led to the resolution failing. they believe they have the votes now. that's because the house majority leader, steve scalise, is expected to be back here in washington. after what we saw here yesterday, anything can happen. this is a fly in day. meaning this is the day many members of the house return to washington to begin their workweek and the weather's been dicey up and down the east coast so there are no guarantees as to who exactly shows up. the count, whether or not the resolution fails or passes, is based on who shows up tonight. so we're not going to know for sure until those votes are cast. >> they've counted the votes going into these big floor votes
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in the past. peter, i mentioned donald trump's comments about foreign aid and republicans parroting some of it, but his recent nato remarks also causing commotion. here's president biden addressing that just last hour. >> republicans in congress who think they can oppose funding for ukraine and not be held accountable, history is watching. history is watching. history is watching. failure to support ukraine at this critical moment will never be forgotten. you can't walk away now. that's what putin's betting on. he flatly said that. supporting this bill is standing up to putin. opposing it is playing into putin's hands. >> so, peter, in your latest reporting, you say the timing of all this couldn't be better for president biden. you write trump step es up helping biden just when the president needs him. explain. >> as a matter of politics anyway. the comments about nato, which have stirred up such a
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controversy, distracted attention from the questions about the current president's age. just last week, he was under fire for a lot of -- memory lapse which raised by special counsel -- then suddenly, you know, the former president comes in effectively changes the subject. the biden people couldn't be happier about that. not that they want, agree with the former president, but as a matter of politics, they see it as a way of reframing the debate about the age. saying in effect, fine, you may think president biden's too old, but the other guy is not only old, he's dangerous. it's been very helpful to the white house. >> but given the climate and of course what's happening in gaza and ukraine, is there any sign voters are actually moved by these trump comments? >> well, you know, maybe not. it's a good question. and we haven't seen polling on that to show whether or not, but i think what it does from the
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biden white house point of view, it reenforces their strategy of reminding voters of why they voted against president trump in 2020. remind them that in their view, he is reckless and our chaotic. that he would once again bring the sort of unpredictable volatility to the white house that would you know, that tired out a lot of voters and whether they'll react to this or not, we don't know. obviously if you're in some of these communities, swing states, polish american communities, lithuanian communities, those that feel vulnerable to russia and depended on nato, they may take that seriously. you don't need that many votes in many states to change the outcome. >> thank you both. joining us now is former rnc chairman, host of msnbc's the weekend, michael steel. let's continue the conversation and pick up where we left off with peter there. do trump's comments on nato really hurt him with the voters or is it just what most people expect? is it really baked into the
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cake? >> i don't know how much this one is baked into the cake. i think there is maybe certainly with independent voters, i think you will see erosion there or at least reconsideration of some of trump's language around our relationships with our allies abroad. i think also with a number of republicans that are still within the party such as they exist, they will also be somewhat concerned about that. i think to the larger maga base, it's let's do more of that. but here's the rub on not just the comments that he's made. that tucker interview and all the other things that are illiberal behaviors of this republican party. the reality of it is they've been working with an administration in the biden administration and republicans
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and democrats in the senate to pretty much give what they want in the house. do you know how hard it is to get to 60 votes in the senate let alone 70? 70 votes. on anything. and so to have this now be a part of the opportunity that they then spit on by claiming oh, well, we need something that has border security. well, numb nut, you had border security exactly as you wanted it last week. we gave you everything you wanted. i mean, it is, senator langford wrote along with his democratic counterpart, a very conservative bill. >> right. >> that a lot of progressives and traditional liberals were having a hard time swallowing but for the good of the order, for the good of the country, and the idea that everybody wants our border secured, they went along with it. no. not in the house. why? because the idiot savant known
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as donald trump, right, the guy who knows all about everything, decided, oh, well, no, we don't want to do border security now because we don't biden to have a political win. well what about a win for the country? a win for the american people who do want it? this is the juxtaposition to the conversation you were just having about how this could potentially be something that the biden administration can talk more about and clarify for the american people who really does want border security for the country. >> we've heard president biden talk about his battle for the soul of the country and you've somewhat touched on the battle for the soul of the republican party. we are hearing some of these gop lawmakers defend trump's nato comments or at least brush them aside. but then you have mitt romney, who used to be the standard bearer for the republican party. once was the nominee. saying this.
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>> now i know the shock jocks and online instigators have effectively riled up many in the far reaches of my party. but if your position is being cheered by putin, it's time to reconsider your position. now i can't see into the future, but there are no guarantees that ukraine will defeat russia, but that does not mean that we should stand back and let putin have his way with europe. >> michael, i'm trying to understand. do these republicans who are defending trump's nato comments not worry about russia today? >> no. i don't think they do. i think that they are so consumed by all things trump. they're so consumed about their petty little election, right. oh, my seat is so important. it defines everything i am. that they lose sight of why they're there in the first place. you're not there to be a senator. you're there to represent the interest of the united states
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and to protect our interests globally. so this is an important moment because we have an ally that is under assault, that has been invaded by russia and we need to come to their aid. but these folks don't want to do that. from lindsey graham on up and down the line, they're proving themselves to be fekless followers of donald trump who doesn't know anything about geopolitical consequences in europe or anything else because he's only concerned about getting trump hotel moscow built. that's his end game. always has been. he wants a hotel in moscow, period. that's the transaction he wants. so everything from the time he was in the private sector to now has been built around how he can appease the guy who can green light that project. that's all you have to look at trump's view of the world. >> he does appeal to people in this country though who see
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america first. that whole mantra as something they agree with. >> can i just comment real quick? >> i want to ask you because you are the former rnc chairman, i want to ask you about the shakeup at the rnc so leave me a little bit of time. >> real quick on that. just remember where that america first thinking came from. it was born out of the world war i that gave us hitler in world war ii. that isolationist view in america has never led to anything good historically and it won't now. so all these republicans running around with their heads up their behinds talking about america first, take it out for a moment. read a history book and understand what you're saying when you say that. >> thank you for those comments and context. i want to talk about the rnc because donald trump suspect just signaling it as now time for chairman woman mcdaniel to go, he's endorsing a new leadership team.
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endorsing north carolina gop chair michael wattly as rnc chair and his daughter-in-law, laura trump, as co-chair. here's how the republican opponent of trump's is reacting. >> what we saw yesterday was he took a different approach. now, he has decided he's fired the rnc chair. he's named who's going to be the new rnc chair. his daughter-in-law will be the co-chair, and he is making his campaign manager the officer that runs the party. think about what's happening right now. is that how you're going to try and take an election? >> michael, what is this move from trump tell you? >> this is what he wants to do, what you're seeing play out at the rnc is what donald trump wants to do with the country. he wants to micro manage and control every aspect. he wants to install his
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sycophants in government, whether it's his son-in-law, daughter-in-law or the dogcatcher down the street who likes him. he doesn't care. so this is an extension of that. and the reality of it is this is going to be a hot mess. laura trump has no idea what the hell she's doing. does she even know what a campaign looks like? has she ever run one? ever sat down with a candidate and strategized on how to win an election? has she raised money for someone in small dollar increments? you just can't install your daughter-in-law in at the rnc and think you're going to win elections. but go ahead. you do you, boo. you just do you all day long because what you're creating is already a hot mess. you're making it a hotter mess and the idea that those candidates out there who are running in legitimate races are now going to be looking at this
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team, you've got an election denier as a chairman. and you've got a complete neo fight add the co-chair and donald trump's hand picked manager to manage it all? where do you think you're money goes? going to go to pay donald trump's legal bills just like when he was president. >> the money is still going to pay donald trump's legal bills right now. as he's soliciting donations. we got to leave it there, michael. it is a head scratcher, considering just how loyal mcdaniel has been to trump already. >> the price of loyalty with donald trump. right there. >> thanks for your thoughts. still ahead, the race to replace george santos. what does this contest in the swing district tell us about who will control congress and possibly the white house come 2025? and donald trump takes his immunity fight to the supreme court. how the court is now responding. plus, a family member of both the israeli hostages just freed in a dramatic overnight
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could mean something more serious, called attr-cm a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you? call your cardiologist and ask about attr-cm. welcome back. we are watching how the heavy snow will impact the special election for george santos' seat, which was already a wild card to begin with. this race between former democratic congressman tom suozzi and his republican challenger, nassau county legislator, mazi pilip, is a total toss up. and if republicans can't hold on to this seat, their razor thin majority in the house will shrink even further. jasmine is talking to voters in farmingdale, new york and steve kornacki has the big picture.
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are voters making it out to the polls today despite the weather and what is motivating those you're talking to? >> reporter: yeah, the answer is yes. straight up yes. they're making it out to the polls. in snow. now that the snow has stopped. >> oh, bummer. we just lost her signal. mother nature perhaps getting in the way. we'll try to get her back. steve, talk to us about how this race may be a harbinger of what could come in november. what's your watching for today. >> this is an interesting one because the political terrain here in new york's third congressional district is going to be the type of political terrain nationally in november that is most hotly contested. we are talking about the suburbs. in this case, the suburbs of new york city. this is the district right here. what it basically is, this line separates long island. you've got long island here then new york city. this little portion is queens. there's some, it's really kind
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of a, that's a really messy way. that says queens in case you can't read my writing. it's really the far edges of queens. then you get into long island. nassau county. this is just classic commuter, densely populated suburbs, developments and all this. so this district, this suburban district here in 2020 voted for joe biden. biden carried this district in 2020 by eight points. then in the 2022 midterm elections, that's when george santos got elected. this is an open seat in 2022 and santos actually won this district that biden had won by eight points. so it went from democratic plus eight to republican place eight in 2022. this was the story all across long island in 2022. one of the reasons democrats had a good night in '22 and almost kept the majority but didn't quite get there was because they
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didn't make the gains they were expecting on long island. so what we're seeing in this race is republicans pressing many of the themes that worked for them in 2022 where they, crime, quality of life issues, a lot of stories from new york city, worrying voters in the suburbs. republicans are now adding to that the migrant crisis, the border, immigration. trying to pin it on the democrats, on tom suozzi, who's a former congressman here. this is sort of a test. if republicans are able to hold on this to seat they won over in 2022 by playing up the themes of the border and immigration, that's something they can connects to other suburban districts this fall. democrats meanwhile, they are counting on the name brand of tom suozzi. former congressman from this district. trying to get a return to congress. long time, three-decade political fixture in nassau county. democrats are hoping there's a familiarity with suozzi here
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that will help him overcome what has been in the last couple of years all across nassau county and long island sort of a rising republican tide. that's what democrats are up against. it's a test between the familiarity of suozzi. suozzi playing up the issue of abortion, too, hoping that will help him get the seat. then this republican rising tide we see in the suburbs of new york city and long island and their particular emphasis on the border. which one wins out with voters will be interesting because there are not many congressional districts, fewer than two dozen in this country that went for joe biden in 2020. >> back in yasmin who's reestablished her signal. what are you hearing? >> reporter: hearing a lot. 500 or so voters have showed up today. polls opened up 6:00 a.m. closing later tonight. they keep coming in especially as the snow is stopping. they're checking in over there
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then making their way to the tables. as steve was talking about, immigration is top of mind for a lot of voters in this district. i heard abortion as well. and really, frustration. frustration on both sides of the aisle. somewhat of a referendum on what is to come as steve mentioned in november. let's take a listen to some of those voters if we can then i'll talk on the other side. why did you feel it was important to come and vote? >> important election. >> reporter: what are the issues for you that matter most in this election? >> honestly, just fair treatment of people. >> yes. >> it's just gotten so nasty out there. >> political. nasty. >> yeah. so, yeah, just for people to like, treat everybody equally. >> reporter: why is it you voted for mazi pilip?
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>> because i think that the last three years have not gone too well for the u.s. and i'm out here to exercise my right to vote. >> because the country's in peril right now and if we don't put the right people in office and if we continue down this same path, the country is doomed. we have to elect people that are for america. not for power. >> reporter: i think because santos' run was so controversial, so riddled with lies, a lot of folks showing up here pretty frustrated. not wanting more lies. wanting more decorum in politics and looking ahead to november and wanting that as well. i really think a referendum on what we're going to see whether it be the former president of the united states, donald trump, if in fact he is the republican candidate for president, and or joe biden. his bid for re-election. we're going to be here all day and bringing it to you. >> sounds like people feel passionately going into this. thank you so much.
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welcome back. former president trump is now asking the supreme court to pause and appeals court ruling that denied him blanket immunity from criminal charges while just this morning, the supreme court gave special counsel jack smith a week to respond. and trump's criminal trial in washington meantime remains delayed. joining us now, garrett haake covering the trump campaign. jack smith has until february 20th, next tuesday, one week, to respond to the court. is anything stopping him from
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responding sooner? >> reporter: certainly not. for the special counsel's office, time is of the essence. remember, they argued before this case even went to the appeals court that it ought to go to the supreme court first. they felt like it was only the supreme court that was going to be able to settle this question of immunity once and for all and they wanted the supreme court to take it up immediately. so you have to think the lawyers on jack smith's staff have been preparing for this moment since at least then and probably have their briefs ready to go. they don't want to see any more delay here. they've already lost the early march trial date they thought they were going to have. any further delay serves to help donald trump politically, perhaps legally as well. if i'm jack smith, i'm burning the midnight oil to get those briefs filed as quickly as possible in the hopes they can spur this process along sooner rather than later. >> appreciate the update. joining us now, msnbc legal analyst, former federal
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prosecutor and senior member of robert mueller's probe, andrew weissman. in a piece in "the new york times," david french writes that according to precedent, a stay is granted only when one, there's a reasonable probability, easy for me to say, that four justices would agree that issues in this case are sufficiently meritorious for the court to take the case. number two, that there is a significant possibility of reversal of the lower court's decision and three, there's a likelihood that irreparable harm will result if that decision is not stayed. so, if that is the standard or precedent, in your opinion, does this case meet that standard for a stay? >> of course, it doesn't. the issue of whether the supreme court would take this case because they're thinking of reversing the d.c. circuit seems highly unlikely. remember, what donald trump argued there was that he should
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be free to kill political opponents as long as he's president at the time. and so long as he's not successfully impeached. he's free to do essentially whatever he wants. that argument is never going to prevail and so you know, the standard that you just read is the standard. however, the reality is that if the supreme court thinks this it wants to be the court to really pronounce what the d.c. circuit pronounced. in other words, they should come from the highest court in the land, they may feel like they need to take it. one possibility, although remote, is that they actually take the case but they do not stay the trial court. in other words, they let the trial court go ahead and do pretrial proceedings and they just decide this in a normal course. they could do that relatively quickly but they could essentially say we'll take the
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case but we're not going to stay judge chutkan. so the case could proceed. the other thing is they could stay it and take the appeal, which would be a huge win for donald trump even if he didn't prevail because it would give him the delay you're talking about. of course, the final option is they could say we're not going to hear this case. you do not meet the legal standard you just set out. there's no reason for us to weigh in at this point and they let judge chutkan go forward with her trial. >> you just nicely laid out all of the possibilities of how this could move forward. how quickly after they get the response would you expect the supreme court to move just given how they've handled it so far? >> i, like garrett, think we could be seeing a response today or certainly by tomorrow from this, from the team. so i think that the supreme court will have this fully briefed in very short order. i know the people on the team
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and you know, they're excellent and they're very fast. so i don't see them waiting the full week. and then you know, it's anyone's guess but i would be surprised if we did not know within the week what it is the supreme court wants to do. they'll take a vote and they'll need to decide whether they're going to issue a state and whether they'll take the case on appeal. those are two separate decisions that need to be made. do they want to issue a stay and do they want to take the case on appeal. but i think we're going to know relatively quickly. >> it's going to be a big week for trump's legal team as we look ahead to other court developments. we've learned trump is planning to be in court on thursday here in new york for the hush money case where the judge could decide a trial date. we know tentatively that trial was slated to start march 25th. it seems trump has been showing up more and more to more of these hearings in different
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cases when he isn't required to be there. does it help or hurt him legally? >> well, i don't think legally it has any effect at all. i do think he's using it for the publicity value and he certainly has a lot of legal cases. it's a legal tsunami. there's the criminal case in new york that is having its court appearance and that is very much to decide whether the date of march 25th is going to stick and that of course is a tricky one because that's the state criminal case and that judge has indicated that he does not want to interfere with the judge chutkan case, but of course, no one knows when that judge chutkan case will happen now because of what we were just talking about. so it will be interesting to sew see what happens there. there's the civil fraud case. we're expecting a decision this week as well. finally, just in case this isn't
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confusing enough, there's also in georgia going to be a hearing with respect to fani willis and the issue of whether she will be recused because of a conflict or apparent conflict of interest and we have to wait and see what the proof is there. but there are a lot of balls in the air in a lot of different forum. but i would say the key one i'm keeping my eyes open for is what the supreme court is going to be doing with this immunity appeal. >> okay. then the supreme court also has to respond to the arguments we heard last week related to the 14th amendment and the colorado challenge. so, yeah, there are all of these legal cases converging right now. we've got you all covered at home. andrew weissman, thanks for being our guide. great to have you. coming up, a look at a ukrainian city still under attack despite being liberated. what life is like in kherson. and my next guest's father-in-law was one of two israeli hostages rescued in an overnight raid. what that reunion was like,
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will provide an update on when that occurs. >> lloyd austin could be heading home soon after being hospitalized for an emergency bladder issue on sunday and transferring his duties. last month, he spent several days at walter reed due to complications following prostate cancer surgery. doctors say this issue is not expected to change his full recovery and that his cancer prognosis remains excellent. overseas now. today in cairo, bill burns met with egyptian, israeli, and qatari officials to push for a new cease fire deal and a plan to free more than 100 hostages still being held by hamas. the meeting comes one day after the israeli army rescued two hostages. joins us now is idan, the son-in-law of louis har, and five of idan's family members
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were taken hostage by hamas. they are all now free. thank you for joining us. we are thrilled your family has been reunited. can you walk us through what you were feeling when you finally got to see and hug your family members? >> yes, good afternoon, first, but yes, we got special message and 36 hours ago by middle of the night phone call by contact person at the idf who just called us and said louis is in our hands. fernando is in our hands. please come to the hospital to meet them and greet them. we were a bit shocked and didn't know -- we didn't expect it at all. we haven't expected it at all, any military action to rescue them. and we just started to act automatically. got dressed, drove one hour towards the hospital and seeking really to see the faces of both
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of them after they were released after 128 days. it was really a shocking moment for us. and when we went to the hospital led by the idf and people from the hospital, just took us to the room where the two of them were kept. they were still lying in bed. doing medication. and medical treatment. and we just came in and my wife just ran inside and hugged her father like they've never hugged before and actually, no he was just hugs, tears, for a few minutes and really, really, really trying to complete all the lost minutes and moments that they haven't met each other and talked to each other, haven't been communicated to each other for 128 days since they were taken. >> and it's been 129 days that they were held captive and looking at those pictures, it is so heartwarming.
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what have you learned about their time in captivity and how is their health? >> so regarding the time in captivity, most of the information that we still have about the time in captive is when the first bunch of the family, the women, were released. and they were kept, all five family members were kept together and when they came back, they said they're in good condition. some of them kept in an area that was not bogged and not the center of the war, but very hard provisions, but they're still okay. since then, it took 75 or 76 days without any communication. without any life signal. we haven't got any information. we don't know what's happening. so when we met and saw them, we
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tried a little bit, we were a little bit hesitant to ask them what did they go there in all of this, but they were anxious to talk to us only about us. the kids, nephew nephews, famild kids. they showed somehow and care about us instead of us caring about them. so some of this still keep the hostage situation in captivity time still behind them and they're not ready to talk about it. >> i can understand that. wow, to think they're thinking of others. less about themselves and more about you and the family on the outside. again, so happy that you all are reunited. that they are now back in the care of loved ones and doctors and of course, our hearts are with the other families still waiting on that reunion. edan, thank you for joining us. >> yes, and thank you.
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if i can may say although our family now is complete and the five family members are here and the help of us and the people still not complete and there are still 134 hostages kept in gaza. some of them in very harsh conditions. some may be in buildings surrounded by the hamas and families to be happy like us. we all in israel, we continue to seek for the freedom of those hostages. it's very, very important for me to say today. it's not finished. though we are part of the happy side of the story, it's still a tough situation. >> absolutely. absolutely. and there's still so much we don't know about those still held in captivity. hopefully your family can offer them all hope though as we wait on the hostage deal that is in the works, we hope. thank you again for being here with us, edan.
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still ahead, what's inside a new inflation report that rattled wall street? and ukrainian civilians in kherson are still defending themselves and their territory. richard engel is live on the ground with what life is like there. l is live on the ground with what life is like there. you ready? surprise! i don't think you can clear this. i got this. it's yours now. t-mobile built a 5g network so powerful, it goes beyond the expected. and now, t-mobile 5g internet for homes and businesses is here. also, here... here... here... here... even here. whatever shape your home or business is, t-mobile is bringing high speed internet
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right now the ukrainian people are holding out hope that lawmakers on capitol hill will reach an agreement to green light foreign aid. $60 billion of military support is at stake. next week will mark exactly two years since russia's invasion. joining us now nbc news chief correspondent richard engel. you were just in kherson, a city liberated in november of 2022. it's still being attacked. what are you finding there today? >> reporter: kherson is a city we've gone back to many times. our team, we did a documentary on kherson. we have contacts in the city. it's a microcosm in many ways of
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the experience that ukraine has been going through during the last two years. two years ago when russian troops first invaded, the full-scale invasion of this country, ukrainians were shocked. they were taken by surprise. many of them didn't believe the invasion would happen. kherson, like kyiv almost did, kherson fell. it was occupied by russian forces. russia tried to eliminate the ukrainian identity in kherson. they banned the national anthem. they banned the flag. they tore down ukrainian symbols of independence and they tried to tell the people of kherson they were not ukrainians. they were all russians and they should be happy to be russian and they were being reunited with their motherland. they never accepted it. a year ago in a major counteroffensive the ukrainians in kherson managed to liberate the city and there was an
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underground resistance and troops came in from outside the city and they turned things around. it has deteriorated significantly since then. now the city's under constant attack. most people have left. about 70% of the population has fled to safer areas, including where i am right now, about an hour's drive away. there was a sense in kherson -- i spoke to old contacts there. people who work in local intelligence, work with the troops. unless they get outside help, more weapons soon, they'll not be able to continue defending the city. kherson could once again be lost to russian occupation and they're not convinced they could get it back again. they fully believe that they need more american support. they're very concerned about what they're seeing in the u.s. congress, particularly from
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former president trump, threats to cut off ukraine. a little bit encouraged this new aid package could come through, but they see troubling signs ahead. >> we're looking at some of the video your team sent of the children there. it's such a good reminder of what's at stake. thank you for shining light for us, richard. appreciate your report. up next, from food to housing, what the latest inflation report revealed about the prices you're paying.
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let's get some perspective on this from christine roman. analysts have been throwing around this word stubborn inflation. what does this tell us? >> people wanted to see 2.9% and they got 3.1%. it's improvement since december, but it's not going as quickly as some hoped. shelter prices were up. that's housing costs. that's hard. grocery prices were up. you saw insurance prices up. health care costs were up. some of the grocery categories are flat, so that's good news. eating out was up 5 and 6% in some categories. people are really feeling the scars of inflation still. i also ran the numbers. energy really the only bright spot there. that shelter number, a lot of people expected that to be smaller than six tenths of a percent. i ran these numbers for the
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grocery bill. this ties in clearly. grocery prices are up 25%. even when i say things are starting to get better, they're still higher than they were a few years ago. that's something that's a recent, painful memory. >> it's so in your face. >> it is. it means the fed likely won't cut interest rates any time soon. >> thanks for all of that. that does it for us today. "deadline white house" starts right now. ♪♪ ♪♪ hey, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. i'm alicia menendez in for nicole wallace. we're on the lookout for special counsel jack smith.
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