karaoke. a campaign aide told me that the song he was singing was beyond the sea by bobby darin. i can't rate his karaoke skills. that's tonight. he still in the building, soaking up some of the adoration from supporters who are happy with the result. the next step for tom suozzi is that he needs to get sworn into congress. i spoke to suozzi briefly after the election was announced, after his victory was announced. and he told me he hopes to get sworn in this week. he did not say what they, but a source familiar with his plans tells me it could be as early as thursday. given that tomorrow might be early, and if it's not thursday, he'll have to wait another week and a half, because the house goes on recess. when he does, that republican margin, already paper thin, will shrink further. it will be 219 republicans, 213 democrats, and then he has several months more of legislating before the midterm elections this fall. you have to do a government funding bill. they're looking to authorize the faa.

there are a lot of this is the time to have a big. then tom suozzi is going to be on the ballot yet again in november, in a matter of months in 2024, when this bellwether district, the seat comes back up for the voters, like many before it, like several others that flipped from blue to red in 2022 and gave republicans control of the house of representatives. the victory for tom suozzi has given a lot of democrats, including in this room, confidence that they get this elsewhere and get the house back this fall, stephanie? >> all eyes on long island tonight. sahil, thank you. folks, do not go anywhere. updates on the special election in new york are coming up right now. right now. it is midnight on the east coast, i am stephanie ruhle, and thank you for joining us for our coverage of the special election in new york's third congressional district nbc news can officially project that democrat tom suozzi has defeated republican mazi pilip. this is, of course, is the house seat vacated by george

santos when he was expelled by congress. it is a huge pick up for democrats, with the margins and the alice razor thin. suozzi spoke to supporters earlier this evening. watch this. >> for the people of long island and queens are sick and tired of the political bickering. they have had it. they want us to come together and solve problems so now, we have to carry the message of this campaign to the ignited states congress and across our entire country. [applause] it's time, time to move beyond the petty partisan bickering and the finger-pointing. it's time to focus on how to solve the problems. >> solving the problems got this guy elected. let's bring in msnbc steve kornacki at the big board. steve, for people just tuning in. set this up for us. >> yes, so basically also all the vote. we have a little more trickling in. this is basically what you're seeing right here. 97% of the votes counted in new

york's third district. cease-fire wedding this thing and thomas beating fellow up. the margin here is basically 7.8%, a 8 point margin call for suozzi tonight. and i think the differences that is the big picture significance, in this district that covers a lot. this is 80% nassau county long island classic new york city suburbs. and the eastern edge of queens right here, the smaller portion actually, technically in new york city although fairly suburban nation as well. about 20%, a little less than 20% of the vote coming out there so that's a district that we are talking about here. we see a democratic margin with eight points tonight, what is interesting is here is the journey that this district has been on. and the 2020 presidential election this district voted for joe biden by eight points. so the democrats in the presidential race four years ago carried this by a healthy margin. and then in the 2022 midterm elections the republican george santos of course carried this

district by eight points. so this things swung by democrats by 8 in 20, to republicans by 8 in 22. that's a shift of 16 points. and if you think back to 2022, there was all that talk, all that home from republicans that there would be a red wave in 2022. that they would win all of these house districts, nationally, that they think he would come in the suburbs. when the red wave did not really materialize and most of the country. but they did in this district. and it did in nassau county, it did on long island, and it did in a few other parts of new york. so much that democrats probably lost their house majority in 2022 entirely because of new york and entirely because of districts like this third district. so that is the backdrop for this. the question that we had tonight was would this district,

would this suburban district then defy what we saw in a lot of suburban districts nationally in 2022, and actually experienced a red wave politically, would it continue to vote like that in the 2024 special election or would it go back and vote like it did in the 2020 presidential election? and i think we have this clear an answer as you could possibly get because the suozzi margin is gonna land at eight points. democrats by eight republicans by eight and they'll stephanie tonight democrats by eight. >> when george santos actually won, do people know this guy? were they voting for george santos? or really was just part of that temporary red wave? >> it's hard to say that it had anything at all. very much to do with george santos himself. the republicans in this district where even saying, they were saying hey, our fault, we can that him. take that for whatever you well. but that's what republicans were saying in this election. i say that because again this

is the third district here. biden won it by 14 republican and staff here in the south shore is the fort district. biden won it by 14 points in 2020. 14 points for joe biden and then elected a republican. anthony d'esposito in 2022. by the way, with this districts going back to the democrats, the is going to d'esposito in the district, is one of the most nervous republican incumbents anywhere in the country. there were some other districts that where republican held were very competitive in the 2020 presidential election democrats thought they had a chance at one may be even ideal both of those. democrats lost all four of the congressional districts based on long island. they lost a district where in 2022 sean patrick maloney, the chairman of the democratic congressional campaign committee which controls the strategy for the house democratic campaign nationally, he lost his own seat in new york in 2022. and also and district up i syracuse where retired

democrats thought they had a great opportunity. they lost that. that's why i say democrats came up five seats short of hanging on to the house. against the odds in 2022 and you can find five seats in new york that slipped through their grasp in 2022. so i think again that is the significance here and it was not just in this district, it was all across long island. and it's not just in the congressional race. traditionally on long island especially in nassau county. if you went way back and i'm talking 30 40 50 years ago, there was a dominant republican political machine. you talk about in the big cities where democrats in the old days, that republicans had the biggest political machine in america. and in nassau county. that machine in the last couple of years has experience that come back. republicans won back in 2021, the office of county executives in nassau county. they won control of a county legislature. a county board of commissioners. a county legislature they got control of that. the red wave at multiple levels of the ballot in nassau county

returning it to the old days of republican dominance. and i think republicans not because of what was happening at that level, and what had happened in 2022, they could just switch it. as you can see, they expelled from the house, put a new candidate in, and there would be a strong political tie. a very strong republican apparatus to power that candidate. as you can see here, it swung back. 16 points this way, and now 16 points that way. >> i just cannot believe we are having an entire night dedicated to nassau county, long island. we need to take our audience on a field trip there. people don't necessarily know that the north and south shore of long island might as well be two entirely separate planets. we're really going to have to dig deep. i'm just listening to steve i'm like wow we are about to go deep. first garden city, next time we're going to nassau. we might talk about middle school lacrosse next.

>> get massapequa there. >> exactly,. with that, let's bring in symone sanders-townsend. you know her as call as of the fabulous new msnbc morning show , the weekend, also the former spokesperson for vice president harris. also someone i haven't seen in ages, senior political editor here and former democratic new york colleague, max rose, and former republican david jolly of florida. here's what i want to talk about. democrats did better than expected in the last midterms. they had huge wins in state races last fall. and now tonight, a double digit win. should this not shake republicans to their core, max? >> of course it should. it should not just shake them to the core in a political sense, it should shake them to the chore for a policy sense. look at what happened in the last couple of weeks. an attempted impeachment of the secretary of homeland security,

then a successful impeachment of the secretary. >> that will go nowhere in the senate? >> that will of course go nowhere. but they knew that and they did it nonetheless. a rejection of a bipartisan immigration bill, amongst many other key facets of that bill from the senate constant obstructionism, and above all else constantly kissing up to donald trump. that was the republican party in the last three weeks, and the voters who have shown very much that they are open to vote for either side over the course of the last few years, they openly and resulted in lee rejected it. and republicans thought that they were going to love it. so there should be a message that the republicans should come to the table and try to, for once in their lives, be adults and govern. but something tells me that they are not going to do it because one person does not want them to do it. and that is donald trump. >> djt. mr. jolly, your take away tonight? >> i agree with max. i think the top line is that republicans continue to do

everything wrong. everything absolutely everything wrong. to put them in a position. candidates matter, and particularly in a special election. i think tonight that has to be acknowledged. tom suozzi a strong candidate in the special election can make that spread. pilip maybe not so strong. but what we saw is despite some of the questions and reservations either legitimate or just hand-wringing about democrats right now on the economy, the conversation you are just having. it's good, but maybe not great people's of questions on the border. president biden is still upside down. but when you put in front of a receipt binary choice about where we are today and where we're going, buses handing the keys to republicans, they look at republicans are doing and they're saying, wait a minute, republicans continue to do everything wrong, i would i trust them with the future of the country? and i think that's the big thing. look, special elections in march before november election

allow a lot of message testing. republicans have really every message to fire into this, race and they've holed money they wanted to spend, and they came up short in a district that george santos had one, george santos won this district, and i got humiliated tonight. the lesson, republicans continue to do everything wrong, and they refused to learn from their mistakes. the >> messaging was tested, somebody says you pushed lies about me and i'm going to hit you over the head, and he won. what was your take away? >> look, my takeaway was investing in diverse communities makes a difference. this particular district is 20% apr. in the suburbs are diverse. some are words used to be code word for white women. >> this is a really good point. >> -- and they thought people meant we are talking to white women. nowadays, when you are talk about the suburbs across this country, you are not just talk about white women or white people, you are talking about aapi, asian american pacific islander, black people, latino folks, diversity, america, get with me, folks. and that is what happened here.

you know, i talked to trip yang who's worked a lot and democratic politics in new york, advised and coleman's congressional race, he worked with the aapi victory fund, and they ran independent expenditure directly targeted at aapi voters. and you cannot discount that work and what that meant for the results that we're seeing tonight, grace ming, congresswoman, campaigned a lot with suozzi in the last couple of weeks, was very aggressive out there, on top of tom suozzi himself bopping him on the nose when it came to immigration. notably, the first press conference that pilip did, it's about immigration, in front when these -- suozzi pulled up right next door and had a press conference, that i agree, we need to do something on immigration. but let me tell you about how she just complained it didn't have a plan. and then when republicans pulled back, just kowtowed to the -- bend the knee to donald trump on the border deal and the bill that they said they wanted, and now they're not going to vote

for it because donald trump doesn't want it, thomas was he again said, mm, look at what they're doing, they are not serious people, you can not send this lady to congress. and voters, they pay tension to that. >> all right men. mark, what's been the biggest surprise for you tonight? but >> well, i think we're underestimating a little bit the scandal around george santos. >> mm. >> often i've been covering these types of special elections, stephanie, for the last two decades. and when there is a scandal, like we saw for george santos or for other kinds of resignations or expulsion in his case, that the party that controls that seat often is paying a penalty with voters, and maybe because the depressed turnout. it was a decade ago when anthony weiner ended up resigning from congress, very close out in new york city, and democrats lost that seat in the special election. republicans ended up winning it. and one of the reasons why was due to that scandal. but i also would mention that weiner special election from a decade ago, because it is

instructive, that happened the year before barack obama's reelection. and special elections aren't always predictive of when it is happening, because of the electorate is fundamentally different then you end up seeing in a special election versus a general election on the presidential side. so this is a great night for democrats. they continue their streak of doing very well in these types especially elections, low turnout matches. but whether we can translate that fully to what ends up happening a year from now, when not only it will be a democrat versus republican, but also libertarians, green party. this is just a one-on-one matchup. and the electorate and this is the composition, the candidates are gonna be fundamentally different a year from now. >> dave it, you are not a democrat, but you did get elected in a special election just like this. what can you tell us about being on the inside of this kind of race? >> yeah, so, it was march before november critical election in

2014. it was a district that president barack obama had won, but was held by congressional republicans, a perfect swing district, even tighter than the one we're watching tonight. the biggest takeaway of all is that yes candidates matter. the candidates don't control the resources in the special election like this. the national parties do. i think that's really important. because there is so much money, maybe $20 million spent on tv, a lot of it on immigration, someone reproductive freedom, a lot of it on crime. and the national parties got to see in realtime what's working this cycle and what's not, and they learn what they can take into november and how they can win competitive races. and i think it is so critical, particularly when the democrats can take from tonight, with tom suozzi's when is this. that there is a real possibility that the house of representatives is the firewall in november for democrats. look, the presidential races neck and neck. it's a bit of a coin flip. i still think joe biden can easily win the popular vote. i think there's a blinking red

light on the electoral college. -- republican hands just because of the seats that are up this cycle. it's really hard for democrats to control the senate. so let's say donald trump are able to pull off an electoral college victory and republicans take the senate the house is the firewall, not just for democratic priorities, but in many ways to try to protect democracy. and so what they tested in the suozzi race, the lessons of the numbers that they could take of that and translate in november are critically, critically important to where we find ourselves a year from now. >> what do you think some? and >> i think that's absolutely correct. i have said for a long time privately that democrats are really gonna have to muck it up royally for hakeem jeffries not to be the next speaker of the house. the way that the numbers are shaking out, just how these races are looking, the additional majority black opportunity district created an alabama, as well as louisiana. that's a mentioned that redistricting that's gonna happen in new york. we don't know what this district, to be very clear, it's gonna look like come november.

and so this very same race, tom suozzi it's gonna have to run another race yet again and we don't know what his district makeup will be. one can argue it will be one a little bit more favorable for democrats. and so the senate? i think it's a large, uphill battle. but the senate is very, very, very important. i just don't know if the numbers get there. so yes, house democrats are gonna be very important to the presidents reelection campaign. house democrats frankly need to be some of the most vocal people out there. if you look at this last week it has been house democrats that have been leading the charge on making sure that going on television, they're quoted in the papers they're doing their social videos. making sure that the american people are aware of what is happening and pushing back on media narratives that are frankly just incorrect. >> max? >> you know, remember this happened a few hours ago. this sham impeachment. so i think why is this such a big deal? hundreds of these seats, the republicans would not have had

enough votes to successfully impeach the secretary of homeland security if tom swansea were in congress. >> that's why they have to do it tonight. >> that's why they had to do, it but i also think they did it because they thought it was a political win for them and. so it is clear as they how significant this is but there is another very clear point about this election. there's a message for democrats nationwide which is that the average american voter is supportive of democrats policies. they're supportive of the ways in which the democratic party has rescued the economy. they're supportive of investing in our economy and being there for those who need government the most. but if you scare the hell out of them about democrats they will run to the other side. so what tom suozzi did tonight is he took those able, weird stuff they say about democrats and he went right to the camera and he said that is not who i

am. and democrats need to do that more. i've been guilty of not doing that. democrats have to do it and when they do people will feel safe, comfortable, and secure voting for the democratic party. the democrats will take back the house. >> mark i want to go back to appoint someone was making about suburban voters. the knee jerk reaction is often suburban women, jewel cleaver, and karen brady. but that is not who is occupying the suburbs of america anymore. help us understand this changing demographic, because these voters will be crucial in november. >> yeah, and not all suburbs are created equally, stephanie. but you're exactly right, that are suburbs in a lot of ways have become extensions of our larger cities. so the suburbs of the 1950s that do not match for the suburbs that we see outside of my area in washington, d.c., or certainly in a lot of the

dayton metropolitan -- suburbs of philadelphia, which are always crucial. but stephanie, you have to meet voters where they are. and david was just talking about the national parties in their messaging. and again, i was just struck on the immigration messaging that democrats and holmes was he had , really took the republicans head on and said, look, we actually need to fix our borders. tom suozzi was taking a moderate, hey, we need to get control of this situation, did not play defense at all. and we're going to see if that actually carries forward. again, immigration has been an issue. poll after poll shows republicans with a really, really big advantage. republicans thought this would be the one issue that they could maybe be able to win on in this particular district. and they weren't able to do so. so that gives democrats he playbook to go back to a year from now. >> but of course, every district is different. david, do you think we're going to see more democratic candidates take the centrist route, like we saw from suozzi?

or completely depends on the candidate and what they represent. i mean, long island, that's a central place. >> yeah, but i don't know if it has to be about ideology as much as it can be about the contrast in governing or lack thereof. there's an argument about rejecting the bipartisan immigration deal that republicans just did, or impeaching mayorkas without a plan. look, in many ways, a mayorkas trial could help democrats, because this is one of the very few times democrats have turned the tables on republicans on this issue of immigration. steph, you asked about my special election ten years ago. and there is an anecdote that is very telling for where we are now. i came through the primary, the republican primary, and that special election. and we were broke after winning the primary. no money for the general. the democrats had cleared their field, their candidate had all the money the day of the primary. and we don't know what to do. and i consulted, one of the best in the, games that were going up with an ad on immigration. we don't have any pulling on it, but it works. immigration always works. and that was ten years ago, and

it hasn't been solved. and the american voters have caught on to the -- in the scheme that republicans play with immigration and caravans and invasion and poisoning the blood. when you look at a bipartisan deal that democrats, and joe biden, frankly, we're going to swallow and enact themselves, and republicans stopped it. it doesn't have to be about ideology. it can dispute honesty on the issue. and i think that is what you saw suozzi do. >> it was two weeks ago president biden said i will close the border. let me sign this bill. and republicans, they took it away. mark, max, david, thank you all. i'm not saying thank you to you yet, symone, because you're not leaving just yet. when we come, back we're going to break down this new york special election with someone who knows the area very well. used to represent it himself. former congressman steve israel, hasn't been here in ages, or psych to have a back, when the 11th hour continues. k, when the 11th hour continues.

i want some safe streets. and the crime is really been up on the island lately. >> immigration, economy, foreign policy, they all weigh heavily on my mind as a vote. >> honestly, just fair treatment of people. >> yes. >> it is gotten so nasty out there. former democratic congressman steve israel represented new york's third district for 16 years in congress. he wrote in an op-ed on the hill today, quote, while the district historically famous democrats, republicans have consistently outperformed in recent cycles. so what changed? the narrative propelling voters, on these on long island, is crime and immigration. here with us for more insight on his former district is former congressman steve israel. steve, i don't think i even have questions for you.

explain this election. >> sure, well, first, stephanie, i heard you talking to kornacki about doing a field trip to new york. if you do that, i will gladly pay for the new york pizza for everybody, it's the best in the country, i want you to know. >> listen, people who don't know long island, i mean, north shore, south shore, there's a lot of different factions and that small area, and a whole lot of traffic. >> that's right. and you're absolutely right, this is a very diverse electorate. as symone said. there's several things that i think are just critical in expanding the electorate. number one, it is defiantly moderate. it does swing back and forth. and it has kind of become more conservative. in 2021, 2022, propelled by anxieties over immigration and crime. the second thing, which i don't think is being talked about, is you've got to work your you know what off to get people to vote for you. these are one islanders.

they want you to work. and one of the chief liabilities that the republicans had is the choose a candidate and immediately put her in the witness protection program. they kept her under wraps. she only degree to one debate with tom suozzi. long islanders are robbed the wrong way when a candidate becomes a phantom, particularly when that candidate wants to succeed the fabulous, the can fabulous contriving george santos. so i think those two things you really play against republicans in the special election. >> if you don't show up and show out for long island, they're not showing up to vote for you. why did republicans have are under wraps? they had time. they could hand select someone to run against suozzi here. they chose her. >> they did. and this speaks to something else that i think is largely being overlooked, and that is the extraordinary prepwork and investment by hakeem jeffries and house democrats and the democratic congressional campaign committee, which i

used to chair, in setting the ground, in shaping the landscape . they recruited tom suozzi. governor hochul was incredibly magnum this. he primaried her for governor, and then she work for them to get him to congress. spent, we outspent the republicans, probably about 2 to 1. those mechanical efforts by house democrats to shape the environment plus an excellent candidate in tom suozzi, who as the point has been made, you know, he took it to mazi pilip. he did not allow her to define him or the narrative. you put all that together, and it helps explain the results. i will say one other thing, if i'm donald trump and the maga folks, i'm worried about what's happening in nassau county. this continues a rule by the democrats across battleground suburban electorates throughout the country. and so, if you look at those battleground states like pennsylvania, wisconsin, georgia, michigan, and others,

you look at those critical suburbs, this is a lesson for the biden campaign in how you win those critical suburbs, which means winning those battleground states. >> both of these candidates largely avoided both of donald trump and president biden. what does that tell you? >> well, no surprise. it's been done before, i remember when i chaired dccc, we tried to talk to republicans with mitt romney, and i had them in these moderate districts, they try to -- they denied they even knew the man, practically, they just stayed away. in the last poll that i saw the district, stephanie, biden was about five points behind trump. tom suozzi read the same polls, and he wasn't going to get strapped by the republicans into litigating joe biden. what he did is he litigated against mazi pilip. and that's how he won. >> you don't just know this district, but as he said, he wants ran the dccc. i want to change the subject

before we go. what is your take on the fact that donald trump is now looking to make his daughter-in- law the co-chair of the rnc? she's already gone on record and said she would spend every dollar they have on donald trump . if that is and, and i don't want to say the nail in the coffin, but making it official, official, official, this is the party of trump, and then what is? >> absolutely. this continues the complete takeover of the republican party by donald trump, putting his minions, his relatives in every corner of the republican structure and organization. he just continues, you know, this grift that trump has and this desire to purge the republican party of anybody who is sensible, responsible, moderate , with his own loyalists. and you think it's bad he's doing this with the rnc, way to

see what he does if he becomes president to the justice department, to the fbi, to the organs, the independent agencies and organs of the federal government. that's something that we should all worry about. >> i'm going to be in hot water for not going to commercial, but i have to ask, why are republicans letting it happen? with the exception of 2016 when donald trump won the presidential election, there is basically been a wide swath of losing ever since? >> i think it's a combination of things. many republicans made to tess trump for his personality in his tweets, but they love the tax cuts, they love the deregulation. you know, he's kind of a clown that delivers what they want on policy. so there's some of that. and then, you know, we're in a really perilous time in american history, where social media, this is two max roses point earlier, social media and the breakdown of faith in institutions has rattled much of the electorate. and they see donald trump as a

strongman, as an authoritarian, and then given the benefit of the doubt. when he said i could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and they'd vote for me, he had it right. >> and a reminder to our audience, while tax cuts, even if they are for you, feel sweet when they come, just remember, you've got to pay for them somewhere. and as for regulation, it's not about regulate or deregulate, it's about smart regulation. steve, great to see you. welcome back, haven't seen you in ages. when we come, back we are going to talk more about what matters to voters in new york's third congressional district, and could be a window into the presidential election, which is now 260 odd days away? ♪ ♪ ♪ no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: leo learned that most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2.

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this race was fun. among a closely divided electorate, much like our whole country. this race was centered on immigration and the economy, much like the issues all across our country. we won this race, we, you won this race. >> [applause] >> because we address the issues and we found a way to bind our divisions. >> long island voters braved the cold and snow to cast their

votes today, with border security crime, and the economy top of mind. to join me now to talk new york politics, symone sanders-townsend is still, without henry civil, a new york times homicide briefly worked for tom suozzi's campaign many years ago, and dave weigel, political reporter for semafor. all right, dave, both candidates ran on crime and it is totally a issue for long island voters. but for facts sake, the government office announced that outside new york city, crime fell in new york by 6% last year. murders, down by 27%. rape, demi 16%. robbery, down by five. so what did you take away from the outcome? >> well, i'm glad you brought those numbers up. because the crime issue in this race ahead change in 2022, when the zell was worried about crime, the panic about crime in new york city, a change to the migrant influx into new york. and if you watch tv in the district over the last few weeks, you saw again and again

footage of migrants scuffling with police, warnings that migrants were committed crimes. that was the issue, and that is what suozzi was financing. he funnest it in the way of saying that if it were up to me, migrants committing those crimes will be deported immediately. and if it were up to him, they would be an immigration compromise passing through the house that reduce the number of asylum seekers staying in new york. so he had a solution to the issue that he explained pretty briskly throughout the race. he did not try to argue that crime is going down. he said they're right about parts of this, and i don't plan to fix it, mazi pilip does not. >> harry, what do you think? >> mazi pilip, or her pack clothes on her behalf, with a 1.5 million dollar super bowl by that ends with the migrants in times square kicking those police officers. that was the race. and she came in with nothing else to say. one hunted percent of her ads, i believe, manchin

immigration. she had no particular plan. she just identified a problem and you have this candidate who is running this weird rose garden campaign. a part-time lawmaker right now tom suozzi is a very known quality. and the idea that he is tom suozzi. and sanctions city suozzi. >> that's just not true. what's your take simone because now tom suozzi is walking into congress. he ran an economy and immigration? >> this house is not going to do anything for the foreseeable future? >> on economy immigration? >> anything. >> they list them down. but house democrats can continue to be, because they are the minority, they can continue to champion and talk about the things that they would do if voters put them back in charge. which i think is going to be very important. because every single member of the house of representatives is up for reelection this fall. tom suozzi included. all of the republicans, mike johnson, people in louisiana if you think that mike johnson is not doing it right. you can vote him out.

just letting you know. i think that to this point the great day that while just made. they did not try to convince voters that crime was going down. he heard the concerns, and address that. >> this is such a big point! >> this is a thing. this is what i think that democratic campaigns across the country need to do. this is where i think this applies across the board. you can spend the next you know, now until october because it's really october when the only voting starts. you can spend the time between now and october trying to convince voters that the economy is very good. trying to convince voters given all the things that joe biden and the democrats have done. and if you want to be right that's where you should spend your time and money doing. but if you would like to when you need to hear the concerns that the voters are putting forth and put forward a solution. housing is a big issue for votes. young people, not so young people, it's in spencer to right now it's impossible to buy if you make good money. so what is the plan for that? maxine waters had a bill in the last congress that when democrats were in charge, they

passed. that the senate never took up. so housing is an issue for folks. what joe biden did on the shrinkflation, i love the conversation on the shrinkflation. the reason why inflation is going down, but the stuff at the grocery store is so expensive, is because people haven't identified that they're willing to pay for it. to have to go to the companies i'm sorry and say hey it's time to be bringing them down. they need pressure and that's something that democrats and frankly republican legislatures can do. they can start calling out the special interests, the corporate folks. that's how you speak directly to the concerns voters have. don't try to convince some of the next couple of months that they're just not getting on the economy because there lived experience, just listen to it. >> they, of do you think you're gonna see this administration put my pressure on corporate america? yes we hear over and over costs are high and we have to pass the cost on to consumers. at the same time corporations

are having record profits across industries. the fact that we saw the president make the statement about shrinkflation the other day, is that a window into what we are going to see more of in the coming months? no we are unlikely to see any sort of regulation. but the president can certainly put public pressure? >> we might see more executive orders. i think we're gonna hear more talk on what the biden administration is done in regards to labor. it's an issue that he can talk to very clearly if he wanted to. elon musk is trying to blow up the entire labor board. joe biden has used a very aggressively, he's talked to people in units and tom suozzi has called them out. they are very satisfied with the way that joe biden approached labor more than brock obama. and joe biden is good in calling out the issues, the way that he's expressing it, the way that he's and then seeing it frankly. you hear more of that, and that's one take that will happen this election in new

york. tom suozzi was very clear, he's a populist, let's give people a tax break in new york. and let's get more jobs here. let's defend the rights of labor. that's a message that democrats are very comfortable. joe biden is very comfortable talking about. >> but it is a tough needle to thread because while the president can celebrate the fact that so many people are out there and have good jobs and there are more jobs available, when they leave work and they go to the grocery store, that whole paycheck is going to this week's groceries. tonight also marks the end of a very special era. the george santos era is officially over. i want to give our audience just a brief recap. >> i've worked my entire life. i lived an honest life. i've never been accused of but any bad doing. >> santos confessed he had never worked directly for goldman sachs and citi group. >> did i embellishment resume? yes, i did. >> the campaign, i say, guys,

i'm jew-ish, remember, i was raised count catholic -- >> 9/11 -- my mother's. life >> immigration records obtained by nbc news show that santos mother was not even in the u.s. when 9/11 happened. >> i will not. guys, you've got to give me a little space here. >> republicans are calling it a disgrace? >> a republican congressman is now accused of scamming a disabled veteran who's trying to raise money for his dying dogs cancer treatment. >> i've been a terrible liar on those subjects. this wasn't about tricking anybody. >> george anthony devolder santos, for me it was the jew h and spending campaign dollars on botox and onlyfans. harry, what will you remember what george? >> just a reminder of how far out the republican party has gone and their willingness to just have a completely random place holder in a need election

how some real consequences. and having nobody look into this until after the die was cast. so it's actually a very good sign to say long island voters in the aftermath of, that suozzi 's closing page was really saying that -- not vetted, not transparent, she had run this very weird hidden campaign. he said santo's 2.0, that's probably pushing it, but it's good to see long island voters take that seriously and have a much earlier night in the last polling suggested. >> what do we think republicans would've gone, let's go for transparency following santos? >> you really would think. but instead, they went with a small time local politician who struggles, to some extent, with communicating, which we saw in the one and only debate at the very end of this election that i think was substantial for voters, many of whom are seeing her and not her attack ads for the first time and saying, what is this? the most basic and important question was abortion, which was the other big issue in this

race, behind immigration, it was in about half of suozzi's ads. she said i don't personally believe in it, but i would not put that on any other women. and swansea said, oh, so you're pro-choice? this is not a trick question. this is a basic set up. and she stamford. she's flustered. and then she found across the stage and try to confront him, you know, shades of hillary clinton senate campaign. it was a wild moment. >> all right, harry. thank you, dave and -- we're going to get your final thoughts, your sent off right on the other side of the break. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50.

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i'm not going to let you go to bed without final thoughts from dave and symone. dave, dealers choice, you can go your farewell thought to george santos or your look ahead for democrats going into this presidential election. >> i guess is the last chance to talk about santos. so in addition to all his tom ripley high jinx, the important thing to remember about santos is he lost to suozzi in 2020 and claim that he won, that was his first lie, because this was a year when male in ballot was slow, painfully slow, and he was a stop the steal guy. so how many kicks of the mule durable guns need to stop nominating people to lose the election and lie about it? that's the lesson, one lesson, serious take away from santos. because suozzi the, model which suozzi is gonna talk a lot about, he likes being in front of the media, this is his big shot, is actually having some governing experience and take

the job seriously. >> well, you just sent him off of the greatest gift, to be carried to the talented mr. ripley. that's the best thing that ever happened to george. symone, last 40. you >> my last final thoughts are about george santos, and say that candidate quality matters, representation matters. >> he represents every ethnic group. >> i mean, yes, i guess so. so does mazi pilip, i could argue, and republicans picked her because she, and i think they thought that voters would like her profile. she was jewish, she was an immigrant, she was a woman of color, she had served in the idf . they thought voters would like her profile and ignore her policies, or the lack thereof. and i think the lesson here is that representation matters, yes, but substantive representation matters. and there is no stand in for policy. you gotta have something. >> all right. symone, dave, thank you. what a way to and a very long and a very big night. and i wish you had home a very good

night. our coverage continues after this short break. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. ♪ ♪ ♪