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it is good to be back with you for this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, hospital horror. the shocking images after a car smashes through a texas emergency room, killing one, injuring five, and sending dust and debris all over the lobby. high drama on the high seas, ukraine celebrates the sinking of a russian warship, ahead of a two-year anniversary of vladimir putin's invasion. we are live at the border, what new numbers reveal about migrant crossings after a historic vote to impeach the dhs

secretary. and breaking news, three police officers shot in washington, d.c. by a suspect who is still barricaded. what we just learned at a press conference moments ago. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with that shocking crash in texas, with nbc's kathy park live in austin. do we have any idea how this happened, kathy? >> chris, good afternoon to you. at this hour, we don't know exactly how the driver managed to crash into the emergency room. all authorities are telling us is that this was not intentional, but we are standing by for a press conference later on this afternoon, so hopefully we'll get a new update there. but this all unfolded, the chaos unfolded 5:30 last night, that's when the initial calls came in of a car crashing into the emergency room entrance of the north austin hospital behind me. and we're told that five people were injured. one person was killed. the fatality being the driver.

and chris, keep in mind, this is a very busy hospital, and several people were inside the waiting room at the time of the crash. in fact, some people managed to pull out their phones and capture the aftermath, and one witness described the chaos. take a listen. >> i had been there, you know, a few hours earlier, just standing in the very spot where the accident happened. and i just quickly saw that there was a woman that was very close to the car's path, that they were helping move aside. a nurse had just moved a young child away from there. i was assuming that was their mother. that was pretty scary. that was also one of the reasons that i got out of there. the car was still running, didn't know what was going on, and you never know what could happen. i mean, got gas in the tank that's leaking, you know, it went through quite a bit of stuff. >> reporter: and, chris, since this all happened so suddenly,

some people thought this was maybe explosion. perhaps there was a fire in the hospital because all the alarms were going off. you probably saw that social media video. you see the smoke quickly enveloping that lobby area. in the video, you can actually hear the tires screeching, and you can see how far that vehicle got in. one witness that we spoke with not too long ago, she said that she can't get the screams out of her head as the panic quickly set in. but she finds comfort knowing that medical personnel, the nursing staff quickly jumped into action. chris. >> kathy park, thank you. let's go to the black sea where ukraine is claiming major success against the russian navy. ukraine has put out dramatic new video. what can you tell us? >> so while the offensive here on the ground has been largely stalled for the better part of a year, that's the basic artillery fight. at sea, ukraine has been having

quite a bit more success, actually it has been dealing devastating blows for almost the last year against the russian navy. and ukrainian intelligence said that they sank a russian ship earlier this morning. and they put out this video to prove it. and they say that the ship was attacked by special forces using naval drones, and in the footage, you can see what do appear to be naval drones approaching the ship, according to ukrainian intelligence, the naval drones blew up. they blew holes in the port side of the russian landing craft. according to the ukrainians, there were about 87 russian personnel aboard these ships, aboard this singular ship, and that rescue attempts were unsuccessful, and that according to the ukrainians, most of those 87 crew were killed. russia has not confirmed the death toll, has not confirmed

that the ship sank, but has confirmed through russian military bloggers who are often the only sources in russia reporting sensitive military details that there was, in fact, a drone attack on a ship in the black sea. images even late last year showed because of consistent naval attacks, sea drone attacks primarily by ukraine against russian forces that the majority of russia's black sea fleet, which had been based in crimea, and this attack took place off the southern coast of crimea has been transferred away from crimea, so the ukrainians have been having quite a bit of success in opening up a naval corridor in the black sea, which russia has been trying to blockade and trying to lock off. >> richard engel, thank you. and here at home, new numbers show migrant crossings plummeted last month as republicans impeached the dhs

secretary over the border crisis. nbc's david noriega is reporting from san diego. david, what does this data show us? >> reporter: chris, what the numbers show is that there was, as you said, a very significant drop in the number of migrants apprehended crossing the border between ports of entry, between december and january. it was a drop of actually about 50%. that said, there are indications that the numbers are starting to climb back up, driven by pretty substantial increases on a couple of different points along the border, including the san diego sector where i am right now. when we arrived early this morning, we found a group of about 20 to 25 migrants, most of them, nearly all of them from ecuador, waiting for border patrol to pick them up and process them. i spoke to one, asked why she left her home, why she came here. she said it was because of the severely worsening security crisis in her home country, which has been, in some cases,

you know, parts of it taken over by organized criminal gangs. i'll play you a clip of what she said. take a listen. [ speaking in global language ] fz chris, the average migrant here on the border is not aware of what's happening in washington, at least not in any kind of a legible way. they have other concerns. this group, for example, spent the night outside here on the other side of this fence last night, and it got pretty cold here. it got down into the 30s. it's not unusual for often children, sometimes infants to spend the night in these conditions. the area behind the fence is an area the border patrol has been using as a de facto open air

detention site before they formally detain people and take them to holding cells. this has become quite a controversial practice. a group of advocates sued the border patrol saying they ought to be providing these migrants' basic needs, food, shelter, water, because you have volunteers providing the needs instead. this morning they gave them mylar blankets. border patrol's position is the migrants are not officially, technically detained at this moment, and therefore they do not have the legal responsibility to provide them with those needs. that's something we're going to be watching as it plays out in court. chris. >> it's a critical question. david noriega, thank you. just moments ago, we heard from officials in southeast d.c. in lockdown after three officers were shot. nbc's garrett haake is live for us there. what do we know, garrett? >> reporter: chris, they're loosening up this lockdown to a certain extent. you can probably see behind me, the elementary school, a few blocks from where the shooting took place is now being let out. the chief of police told reporters a little while ago

that they are now in communication by phone, with the suspect, who they believe shot three police officers this morning who had come to serve a warrant for animal cruelty. all of those officers are expected to survive. and this hour's long standoff continues with the chief of police describing the suspect as agitated in their conversations with him today. listen to what she told reporters just a few minutes ago. >> we have not made visual contact with him since this morning when the incident occurred with regards to trying to execute the search warrant, i mean, the arrest warrant, forgive me. with regards to his up and down behavior, it appears as though during conversation, he seems to communicate very effectively with us. but then there are times he appears to be very agitated. >> reporter: chris, part of the challenge here is that suspect was continuing to fire shots into the neighborhood across the course of the morning. as for the three police officers, i spoke to the head of d.c. police union as he was leaving the hospital, having visited them.

two of the officers was shot in the lower leg, one shot twice in the chest. the bullets were stopped by his ballistic vest. incredibly lucky to be alive. all of the officers are expected to be just fine. >> garrett haake, thank you. in 60 seconds, breaking news on a cryptic warning sent out by the house intelligence chair about a national security threat. plus, in the race for the white house, the pros and cons of president biden framing his reelection strategy around donald trump. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt. sometimes jonah wrestles with falling asleep... ...so he takes zzzquil. the world's #1 sleep aid brand. and wakes up feeling like himself. get the rest to be your best with non-habit forming zzzquil. ♪ ♪

if the big democratic victory in the new york special election was a referendum on donald trump and there's debate to be had about that, what are the chances that's where the fate of the november elections rests? because another argument is that while, yes, it will be a referendum, maybe it's on president biden. with serious questions about his age, the economy and a general

malaise among voters, that could be a triple threat to his reelection efforts. let's bring in nbc news xi political analyst, chuck todd, mark mckinnon, creator of "the circus," great to have you guys. such a great article you wrote. let me take it piece by piece. you wrote about the challenge president biden faces for starters in making the election a referendum on trump, not him, and you highlight some of the obstacles that stand in his way. tell us more. >> he's the one with the job right now, and it's very hard for a sitting president to make it frankly it's usually hard for any incumbent to make the campaign about his challenger. it happens in rare cases when your challenge is a big celebrity, an outsized person. i guess you could say edwin edwards and david duke, he was

able to make it a referendum on david duke. but it's usually quite difficult to do that. and the other warning is character. what are you going to make, if you want to try to turn the tables. every time they've tried to make this a character contest with trump, trump has won, and i would argue that over the last 30 years, chris, character doesn't count with voters. how many times have we seen them try to run character campaigns and it not work and against donald trump it not work. character works with a small slice of voters, voters who have the luxury to vote on character, meaning there are not other things going on in their life, no, i need to worry more about x than y, so can they turn it into a choice campaign that uses character to get at policy? and it's easy for me to write about it. i think it's very hard for any good politician to do, let alone one that has some rhetorical limitations right now, like the sitting president. >> mark, there is that old saying that every election is a

referendum on the incouple -- incumbent. given that biden is the incumbent, can he turn the tables and make this a referendum about trump? >> sure he can. that's what our challenge was when i worked for george w. bush. if that election was a referendum on george bush, we would have lost. we made it a referendum on john kerry. you can effectively do it. chuck makes some smart points. if character counted, trump would have been elected in 2016. chuck's right, you've got to make it about policy as well as character, and i think that the special election showed there's some real opportunities there. the real reason that joe biden won is because he made an argument about calm versus chaos. now, the fact may be that people may want a little more chaos, but i don't think they want absolute chaos, and the border is a good example. biden's never going to win on that issue, but he may be able

to neutralize it in a way to say, listen, we have a solution on the table that border agents want, most conservatives want, the "wall street journal" wants, and trump is using it as a political weapon. what does that do? it brings more chaos. i'll bring calm and order to our country and the border. >> here's the argument on the other side of the whole, he needs to make this about issues, chuck. i mean, i'm looking at our most recent nbc news poll. he is way behind on the economy, crime, border, our standing in the world. so how do you make this a winning issues election? >> well, i think what you have to do is there needs to be a couple of things. i do think he has to come up with an aspirational agenda of some sort. look, you know, i think one of the problems that biden has with this group of voters who are negative on him but don't like trump either, and i have had conversations with these voters going, look, i don't want to go back to trump.

that was crazy, but i don't want another four years. i didn't love this four years, right, it's sort of like, you're saying, all right, did we get another mediocre four years or another horrible four years? he can't make that seem like it's the choice. right? he's got to do -- barack obama, it turned out he was wrong. one of the ways he tried to beat back to sort of message to the moody moderates, i call them, is to say, hey, if i win again, the fever is going to break skpks and we're going to be able to get something done. the fever didn't break, but they made an attempt in year one to break it. we got close with the immigration deal and all of those things. i think he's got to get at that issue, right? there's a whole bunch of depressed people in the middle who don't like the dysfunction and thought. maybe new leadership would do the dysfunction. here's another thing the biden campaign has to do. they have to reeducate the public at the first three years of the trump campaign. i think covid was so

traumatizing to the public, we had forgotten how chaotic and unimpressive trump was as president, including the fact that he had total political control of the government, and he couldn't get anything done. and i think biden probably has to reeducate the public to remind them that trump's presidency was not just not a success, it was a failure because he got in his own way. he could have had success. he could have solved the immigration problem, he refused to take the deal. he could have had infrastructure, he refused to take the deal. he could have had these things. he refused to take the deal. i think that's how you connect it to policy. >> i should point out there's still a primary campaign in progress, though nikki haley seems to want to leapfrog past it and head to the general election contest. i want to play a little bit of what she told nbc's craig melvin in the "today" show exclusive. >> everybody sees how diminished joe biden is. look at every general election poll, look at any of them, trump loses by 5, by 7, on a good day

he's even. margin of error. i defeat biden by up to 17 points. >> but president biden is not in the primary. >> no, and we're going to continue to work on the primary. >> i think this is also a competency election if it's biden, trump for sure. do you think that nikki haley is helping herself with that argument? >> well, i don't know how much she's helping herself but may be helping joe biden for the general election. she makes a really clear and obvious point that's backed up by tons of data, which is she would be a much stronger general election candidate against donald trump. but conversely, if gretchen whitmer were the democratic nominee, she would probably be beating trump by double digits too. we have two potentially flawed nominees. it's going to be fought out at the margins and, it's likely going to be very close. as chuck said, you know, i don't

think a lot of people are going to get up out of their seats if it's mediocre versus horrible. we have to find out how to reframe the election. what chuck is saying, it's got to be on a policy brain that gives people a choice. part of that is biden outlining a clear second term agenda which he hasn't done yet, and presumably he'll start doing in his state of the union in march. >> maybe you guys will come back then, and we'll talk about how he does that. chuck todd, mark mckinnon, thank you so much. we have breaking news now. new details on the nature of a national security threat that the house intelligence chairman sent a cryptic warning about. nbc national security and global affairs reporter, dan deluce what are you found out. >> a foreign military capability, and that foreign military is the russian military. now, specifically why he chose to make his statement when he did and why he didn't choose to

wait until we understand tomorrow the national security adviser is going to be briefing the house intelligence committee about this threat but that apparently is what he was referring to, some type of russian military capability that is a threat over the medium and long term. and you had today, congressman himes, his democratic counter part, the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee saying people should not panic. this is something that's serious and is being addressed but it's not sort of an emergency. now, that will lead to many questions. is this somehow related to russia's space weapons or space capabilities? is it related, perhaps, to their nuclear force, what they're doing with their submarines. we'll have to wait to see. that apparently is what congressman turner was referring to, and we'll hopefully hear more soon. the white house of course so far not willing to comment about this threat that representative turner has been talking about. >> dan de luce, thank you for

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please vote yes on prop f. israel has released new footage that shows the leader of hamas escaping the tunnel in the october 7th attack. nbc's raf sanchez spoke about

the hunt for sinwar. >> reporter: four months since the war, israel claims to have killed, or wouned around half of hamas's fighters in gaza. >> we're mopping up the remaining terrorists with ongoing radars. >> reporter: israel's number one target remains at large. sinwar is the leader of hamas in gaza, and according to israeli officials, the man who master minded the october 7th massacre. sinwar has been in hiding since then. this video shows him fleeing in a tunnel with his family three days after the attack. two former intelligence officers confirmed to us, it shows sinwar, but despite a $400,000 bounty on his head and an air and ground assault, he has so far stayed one step ahead of israeli forces. we joined some of those troops as they pushed into gaza.

arriving in the remains of can khan younis. we followed them deep underground, where they believe sinwar was sheltering. these beds suggest senior leaders were here. inside this cage, troops say they discovered the dna of three young hostages, all released during the temporary cease fire deal in november. . somewhere in this vast tunnel complex, the israeli military complex believes sinwar is hiding. it's not clear if he is still able to give commands to his troops, how much he can communicate with the outside world. every day that he is alive is a day that he is defying israel. and so the hunt continues. you have been chasing sinwar fur four months, why is it you haven't caught him yet? >> we'll get him. he doesn't care about his

people. he's putting his people between him and us. >> reporter: israel now hunting sinwar while at the same time negotiating with him over the fate of the hostages, and few believe his death will mean the defeat of hamas. >> israel has assassinated so many hamas leaders in the past. didn't do anything to the organization. but make it stronger, more determined. >> reporter: but for israel, killing sinwar would be a battlefield victory and some small measure of justice. >> our thanks to raf sanchez for that report, and here at home, a startling new statistic about the surge in anti-semitism. the american jewish committee finds half of american jews, 46%, changed their behavior out of fear of anti-semitism in the fall of 2023, and 78% said they felt less safe as a jewish person in the u.s. after hearing about the october 7th attackment joining me now, former

congressman, ted deutsch, ceo of the american jewish committee. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> tell us a little bit about what you found, some examples of how the daily lives of american jews have changed? >> that statistic that you just showed, the data point about the fact that half, nearly half of the jews living in america have changed their behavior so people don't know that they're jewish, so what does that mean? it means that they are consciously thinking about where they go, what they wear, what they post online. because they're concerned that if people identify them as jewish, that will make them vulnerable. that's not something that we should ever accept in america because it's never just the jewish community that's at risk, chris. it reflects a much deeper problem that we have to confront together. >> if you change, let's say, what you wear, if you decide, i'm not going to wear a yamaka

because i don't want people to identify me as jewish, that's one very identifiable thing. the second difficult part here, 78% say they feel less safe. that's something that is obviously inside you, but has ways in which it presents itself everywhere. >> well, it impacts also where you go and what you do and the fact that we now so often take for granted everyone, jews and non-jews alike on a friday night or a saturday morning, outside of the synagogue, you'll see a cruiser car or multiple police cars, that there's a gate to go through. there's a metal detector, all of that to have to go through just to be safe while praying, while expressing your identity as a practicing jew. that's the concern. look, the supplemental, i know this isn't a political conversation, but the supplemental among the other things included is money for

nonprofit security grants that will help to secure institutions like synagogues but also across the denominations and across the country. we have to be looking at every way we can, starting with the white house's national strategy, making sure that we implement it, to combat this anti-semitism, this jew hatred that is putting so many at risk. >> has it shocked you to see how things have changed and how quickly? >> when i was in congress, i remember after the violence against the jewish community in europe, we hosted the event with ambassadors from european countries and talked about how awful it was that they had to build essentially these fortresses for people to pray in. how could it get to that point. and now here we are, we're in the same position. what we can't allow to have happen is for the next piece of that, the fact that over 60% of american jews feel less secure

now than they did one year ago, we've got to reverse that trend. the good news in our survey, if any, is over 90% of americans surveyed, jews and non-jews understand that taking on anti-semitism requires all of us and not just the jewish community. >> before joining ajc, you were the congressman for parkland, florida, the shooting happened there six years ago today. last hour, we heard from some democratic lawmakers who are pushing new legislation to regulate gun sales, including the youngest member of congress, a guy named max well frost from florida. i want to play that. >> i stand before you as a floridian that got involved in politics in the first place at the age of 15 because i didn't want to get shot in school. i stood in front of families this morning who have used technology to create a voice message from their dead children that will be sent to members of congress today and over the next

several months. it's uncomfortable. it's disturbing, but what's more uncomfortable and disturbing is the fact that their kids died in a pool of of their own blood on the floor of their school. >> i spoke in the last hour to david hogg who as you know is a parkland survivor. he was the founder of march for our lives. he's spear heading that new effort. we played some of that ai-generated voice, and it's chilling to say the least. he hopes that this will serve as for some people, a wake up call that could move at least on the margins as some legislation. as an outside observer now, do you see that happening? >> on this day six years ago i was probably the next day until we got the names. i wrote down the names of all of the victims of parkland. and i wrote down their ages as

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it was the most impactful moment in congress, in my life, i carry this with me still, and i continue to put my heart out there to the families, not just in parkland, especially today, but all around the country who have lost loved ones. we need to come together. congress has to figure out how to do this. and remove the politics to help save lives. >> one of the voices we heard earlier today with david was a 17-year-old who will never be 18. former congressman ted deutsch, thank you. >> thanks, chris. >> and we'll be right back. across bipolar depression. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and ii depression. and in clinical trials, movement disorders and weight gain were not common. call your doctor about sudden mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants may increase these risks in young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements

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from bags of cash in the basement to money shoved into jacket pockets and boots, prosecutors have released some wild new details and senator bob menendez's bribery case. it includes how menendez's wife tried to explain the gold bars found in their home, plus, allegations that the engagement ring the senator used to propose at the taj mahal was purchased with money from a bribe. nbc's tom winter is following all of this for us. walk us through it, tgs a lot. >> there's incredible details here today, chris, and i think when we look at totality of the case, and the filings, this was a challenge by defense attorneys to keep out the fruits of search warrants executed by the fbi. the challenge is of course

prosecutors get to respond to that. in doing so, there was several instances, one time when a menendez staffer says they were told by the senator that the gold bars came from the deceased mother of nadine menendez, and nadine told that to a jeweler as well. the problem with that is according to reporting that was initially led by our colleague jonathan deitz at wnbc, those gold bars, some of which you're looking at on screen were previously taken in a robbery involving the developer charged in this case. when that developer went to the local police department to get his items back when they were recovered. he had sign out for them, and the serial number on some of those gold bars exactly matches the gold bars found at the menendez home, and that's why prosecutors say this is linked to the bribery scheme. they say what nadine menendez was saying was a quote, false story, and they were able to introduce additional evidence, the types of things you and i are talking about today, on top

of that, they say as part of the briby scheme, one of the individuals purchased the engagement ring for senator menendez said he was purchasing at a certain level. in fact, he was purchasing for tens of thousands of dollars less. the ring is not valued as much as mrs. menendez thought or the senator thought. these are all the types of things coming out in the core papers in advance of the trial coming out in several months time, and is the type of thing prosecutors when given a window to respond to and be specific with their evidence pretrial, certainly take that opportunity. and it's important to note that all of the defendants in this case, including senator menendez have pleaded not guilty, and they're innocent of the indictment of the charges leveed against them. >> tom winter, thank you so much. >> you got it. coming up, we are watching far judge's ruling that could be a serious blow to former president trump's bottom line, plus, the other case that will have the former president in court this week. ent in court this week. and a high-risk factor for it becoming severe.

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made his name. but before all of that, trump is set to make an appearance in court for an important hearing in the hush money criminal trial. vaughn hillyard is following this, and criminal defense attorney, and msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos. what are we hearing from trump world about all the stuff that's going to happen this week? >> reporter: there's a recognition with every passing week, chris, the stakes of the 2024 election only become higher. just in the last few minutes, i got off the phone with an rnc committee member who told me, look, this is what the republican party is stuck with, stuck with being donald trump as the nominee. this member is a supporter of donald trump. being a supporter of donald trump and having him as the nominee is facing legal peril from florida to new york, to georgia to washington, d.c. tomorrow, he and his attorneys are going to go be ever judge marchan in manhattan, with the

last attempt to have the indictment and 34 felony counts against him thrown out. these are pretrial motions that have been on the books for the judge to hear. donald trump's attorneys will claim that his due process rights have been violated, that the charges were all but intentionally delayed to harm his presidential candidacy. so for donald trump, this is a last moment. we do expect the judge to affirm potentially that march 25th will be the trial date in which the hush money trial will begin. we expect that to last at least several weeks, now that we know the federal election interference case will no longer begin on march 4th and that is not slated to begin until an undefinite amount of time. for donald trump and his political apparatus, we expect him to continue to show up in courtrooms. there was murmur about potentially going to georgia for the fulton county hearing, slated to take place tomorrow,

in which fulton county district attorney fani willis will go before the judge to defend her personal relationship with one of the special prosecutors brought on board. that hearing is happening at the same time as the hush money pretrial hearing is beginning. for donald trump, it's about picking and choosing at this point. it's clear that he and his political allies are not going to run away from the charges or trial against him. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you for that. let's take these one by one. the judge in the new york civil fraud trial, this is not a question about whether fraud was committed. that has been decided. it's what the penalty is going to be. what has he been looking at and what are you expect something. >> the people are asking for 370 million plus interest, and probably more important is the cancellation or disgorgement of this money, and here's the catch, i'm really looking to see whether the court considers cancelling out just the business certificates or what do you do about the actual properties?

the judge goes so far as to essentially effectively seize those properties and divest the trump organization or trump companies. >> that's an option? >> it's potentially an option. it's not really what the ag is asking for. the ag is looking for money damages in the form of $370 million. and then of course the industry bar, keeping the defendant from conducting business in the state of new york. and they're looking for an overseer, a monitor to compel their compliance. look for those. that's what the people are asking for. the defendant is really at this point since summary judgment was already entered against them on the issue of fraud, they're arguing up hill from here. they have argued things like, hey, you know, these financial statements weren't really that inaccurate. even if they were, this is really an interesting argument. people like deutsche bank, they don't even rely on them. they did their own assessments. you know, these are probably a

stretch. but when you're in the position the defendants are in, you try everything you can and you hope something sticks. >> let's talk about march 25th. we heard vaughn talking about that. it is possible that we could get a trial date tomorrow during the hearing for the trump hush money case. that would mean, right, that d.a. alvin bragg in manhattan will be the first out of the four criminal cases to take the former president to trial. how does that affect his strategy and everyone else's? >> i have been saying this for months now. my rule of thumb is in a highly complex, high profile case, even a date set in stone, a trial date set in stone is likely to get moved. so even if they do set a date tomorrow, i wouldn't be surprised if that date ends up getting moved. the new york state case, we haven't heard a lot about it. it's based on a novel application of the law, one of the top prosecutors left that team that ended up indicting donald trump here in new york, and wrote a book about calling these charges the zombie case.

they died, they were resurrected, they came back. i don't rank of the four criminal cases, i put the new york state criminal case at the very bottom. 4 out of 4 in ranking the seriousness of criminal cases against donald trump. but in terms of scheduling, it may be the kind of thing, if, and i've thought of this as a criminal defense attorney, if there's any case trump can beat, it might be this one. and what if he did that before the election. >> danny cevallos, making that very critical point. thank you. all right. still ahead on this valentine's day, a whole lot of people are dressed in red. who are they? well, they're showing their love to their ultimate valentines, members of the super bowl champion kansas city chiefs. on . before they even start. it's the #1 prescribed branded chronic migraine treatment. so far, more than 5 million botox® treatments have been given to over eight hundred and fifty thousand chronic migraine patients.

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right now, all of chiefs kingdom is out to celebrate their super bowl champions, and

necessary's jesse kirsch is live in kansas city. jesse, how is the party going? >> reporter: well, it's just winding down. they just wrapped up the rally. you can see behind me, still thousands of people filling downtown near the historic union station. they estimated there would be around a million people out here, a couple of factors to potentially bump up attendance. it's sunny. it's pretty warm out. we're approaching around 60 degrees out here right now. or right around 60. so it is quite warm for this time of year, makes it nice and easy to be out here in the elements, and of course there was all the taylor swift intrigue. doesn't look like we saw taylor in attendance with her boyfriend travis kelce who was on the championship team, but that did not thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people from being out here to cheer on the team. this is the first time we have seen back-to-back titles and parades and celebrations in the same city in almost 20 years, and there is all kinds of talk

about the chiefs being a dynasty. this is now three titles in five years for kansas city. chiefs kingdom is loving it out here today, chris. >> did anybody go to work today in kansas city, jesse? >> reporter: i'm sure someone's at work. i can tell you there's plenty of volunteers at the world war i museum which will make it easier to get a live picture up. the cell reception has been so terrible out here as all of this happens to so many people in the area. i don't know about work for sure. i can tell you one thing, kids in kansas city did not have school today. classes were canceled so they could go to the parade. much better than a snow day in the middle of february. >> i have been where you are, the folks at the museum are fantastic. thanks, jesse, enjoy. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now.