about the chiefs being a dynasty. this is now three titles in five years for kansas city. chiefs kingdom is loving it out here today, chris. >> did anybody go to work today in kansas city, jesse? >> reporter: i'm sure someone's at work. i can tell you there's plenty of volunteers at the world war i museum which will make it easier to get a live picture up. the cell reception has been so terrible out here as all of this happens to so many people in the area. i don't know about work for sure. i can tell you one thing, kids in kansas city did not have school today. classes were canceled so they could go to the parade. much better than a snow day in the middle of february. >> i have been where you are, the folks at the museum are fantastic. thanks, jesse, enjoy. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now.

good to be with you, i'm katy tur. what is the chairman of the house intelligence committee talking about. around noon, congressman mike turner sent out a cryptic press release, quote, today, the house permanent select committee on intelligence has made available to all members of congress information concerning a serious national security threat. quote, i'm requesting president biden declassify all information relating to the threat, so congress, the administration and our allies can openly discuss the actions necessary to respond to this threat. that two-line statement sent capitol hill into a flurry, and scrambled the white house press briefing where national security adviser jake sullivan was already set to brief reporters on the urgent need for the house to pass the supplemental foreign aid bill to continue funding ukraine and israel. >> i reached out earlier this

week to the gang of eight, to offer myself up for a personal briefing to the gang of eight, and in fact, we scheduled a briefing for the four house members of the gang of eight tomorrow. that's been on the books. i'm surprised that congressman turner came out tonight in advance of a meeting to set with defense officials tomorrow. that's his choice to do that. all i can tell you is i'm focused to seeing him, sit with him, as well as the other house members of the gang of eight tomorrow and i'm not in a position to say anything further from this podium, at this time. >> are you aware there's an emerging threat? >> i reached out to the gang of eight. it is highly unusual, in fact, for the national security adviser to do that. i did that to set up a meeting. the senate is not here. the four house members agreed to the movie before congressman turner came out today. we'll have that conversation

tomorrow. >> when you set up the meeting to reach out to them, were you intending to discuss this matter? >> i'll leave it to you to draw whatever connections you want. >> well, sullivan was caught off guard and refused to get into details, reporters who staked out the house skiff where lawmakers review classified materials got a little bit more. quote, turner is right to highlight this issue, but it's so sensitive that he is right now not publicly discussing it said turner's democratic counter part, ranking member, jim himes. i don't want people thinking martians are coming. but it's something the administration needs to address in the medium to long run. people should not panic. that is unequivocal, people should not panic. something speaker mike johnson just emphasized as well. >> i saw chairman turner's statement on the issue, and i want to assure the american people there's no need for public alarm.

we are going to work together to address this matter as we do all sensitive matters that are classified. and beyond that, i'm not at liberty to disclose classified information, and really can't say much more. but we just want to assure everyone steady hands are at the wheel. we're working on it, and there's no need for alarm. >> so what is it, according to four sources, chairman turner was referring to a russian military capability, and a source at the white house tells me after the president was briefed on the issue, he was the one who directed the nsa to brief the gang of eight, and that is happening tomorrow. joining us brigadier general patrick ryder. i'm glad to have you today, and i want to discuss the supplemental and the aid to israel and ukraine but i want to first start with this breaking news. this press release from chairman turner got everybody pretty panicked. should americans be worried? >> first of all, thanks very much for having me today, and again, i don't have anything to

add beyond what the national security adviser highlighted. and, you know, i can assure you our country is safe. >> are we capable of meeting this threat militarily? >> again, i'm not going to be able to provide any comment on that, i'd refer you back to mr. sullivan's comments as he highlighted, he'll be briefing members of congress tomorrow. but look, your department of defense every kayday around the world is focused on protecting the nation. >> it is outhe americans are worried, and they are wondering if our pentagon is able to address this head on if need be or if the allies need to get involved, and any information you can give us, give to the public would be appreciated. >> yeah, i appreciate the question. i'm not going to have anything further to provide, other than, again, as i highlighted, the department of defense is on point every day around the world

protecting this nation, and we will obviously continue to do that. and just going to leave it there. >> in regards to the supplemental, which you came on to discuss on the show, and we appreciate it. our reporting suggests this threat surrounds russia. it's a russian military threat. does that make the supplemental more urgent, according to the pentagon. look, we have been saying for a long time, we will continue to work closely with congress to receive the funding that we need in order to fund urgent national security priorities. and the reality is as you know, the world is interconnected. the department of defense, our number one mission is to protect the homeland, and that requires us working closely with allies and partners to provide leadership so threats overseas don't become threats on the doorstep. we're doing to continue to work closely with congress, and urge members of congress to fund these important national

security priorities. >> i'm wondering if you could e -- elaborate on that. there are a lot of americans who look at the money we're sending to ukraine, to israel, to taiwan, and they may ask themselves why we need to be involved in other people's wars. why does the american public need to pay for weapons for ukraine, weapons for israel, weapons for taiwan. can you help that person understand a little bit more detail why it's so important to keep funding these things? >> sure, as an american, as someone who has lived in the continental united states for a very long time, i can certainly understand where it may seem like an academic concern, right. the threats that exist overseas, why is that the problem. the reality is, look back through history, and see that things that start over seas can become crises, that we have to deal with here. again, our focus is on

protecting the nation. when you look at the situation of ukraine, for example, russia is not going to stop if they win in ukraine. they next go on to attacking members of nato. that puts the united states in a situation similar to the past, to go and protect our allies, and again, we would much rather be able to address these problems before they become international crises where we have to send our troops to go fight those wars. so ukrainians are fighting very bravely, they are defending sovereignty and freedom, and we owe it to them, the international community owes it to them to help them. but most importantly to prevent russia from being able to conduct these kinds of attacks in the future. if they win, it sends a clear message to other authoritarian governments that this kind of action, this kind of activity will be tolerated. >> there are house republicans, progressive democrats looking at the ukraine funding, mostly house republicans, and saying we don't need to be pushing back on

russia this hard. intimating that russia is not a great threat. what do you think of that position? >> i think history speaks for itself here, and you don't have to look back that far to look at the kinds of threats that russia poses to the international community. and let's not forget that they have been fighting a significant ground war in ukraine, and also have a very capable air force, very capable strategic forces, very capable cyber forces and have demonstrated the intent to attack their peaceful neighbors. and so deterring those kinds of attacks in the future is important. before they, again, become threats on our own door steps. >> another reporter at another network has said that a military official, pentagon official has told her that this russian threat, this military capability has to do with space. general, can you talk about that

at all? >> nice try, again, i'm not going to have anything beyond what i have provided. >> brigadier general pat ryder, thank you so much for joining us. i do appreciate your time, sir. >> thanks so much. and joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent, monica alba, and punch bunch news cofounder jake sherman. do we know what motivated house intel chair turner to come out with this statement all of a sudden today? >> reporter: we don't, katy, but there's a couple of things you should know to set the stage for this. number one, as we speak right now, the house rules committee which sets up legislation for floor votes is considering an update to fisa section 702, which as many people know, a provision that allows the united states to surveil foreign nationals and collect what the intel community and military officials say is crucial

intelligence for the united states. now, congress has been wrestling over the future of fisa section 702 for some time, and some people have surmised. turner isn't saying much, we can't get in his head, that they want to make an example of what 702 does for the united states, that it gathers this incredibly sensitive and critical intelligence for us, for the united states, and members of congress who might not be involved in the military and intelligence realm all the time need to understand how valuable this is. now, there's always been a push and pull, katy, between civil liberties and the need for us to gather intelligence on our adversaries, and that's what's held this up for so long, but this provision, katy, fisa section 702 is coming up for renewal in april. this is coming up quite quickly, and i think even if that's not

the direct reason, it's an important backdrop as congress considers renewing this. >> monica, the white house was taken aback by the sudden announcement from chairman turner. this was not obviously what the nsa director or nsa sullivan was coming out to talk about in front of the press court today, what are you hearing from your white house sources about what this threat is in regards to, and what the real concern is. >> officials i spoke to were really baffled by congressman turner's approach here in terms of making that statement public they say because for some time now, president biden has been briefed on this threat, that he's been tracking it, and in fact, as you reported earlier, he was the one who directed his national security adviser to engage congress, engage the gang of eight and speak to them about this which we know is scheduled for tomorrow. you saw there that the national security adviser even expressed his own annoyance there that you

could pick up that this was happening and playing out with the press corps and people asking questions when he really is limited in what he can say, so the really notable thing here that i would stress is that we're learning from officials that in addition to the president directing his national security adviser to engage congress, they told us that was among other actions that he has directed as it relates to this threat of a russian military capability. so we don't know what those other actions are, but that suggests that this has been going on for some time, as some other lawmakers have indicated, so the white house was puzzled at the approach here, but they say that they feel they have been handling this in the way that is diligent, in the way that is responsible, and also i'm told by u.s. officials that they feel that when it comes to this threat, that there are ways to contain it. there are ways and options that can be evaluated to deal with it that don't have to trigger this mass panic that is raised

because there's so much secrecy and shrouding of what it's actually about. >> do you get a sense that the white house is going to say what this is. turner saying it should be declassified, available to the public immediately so the u.s. and allies can address it publicly. also sullivan was saying that in the past, when it has been a matter of national security that the american public should know that they've done that. they have declassified the information. do you get a sense that that's where this is going? >> reporter: i think it's possible that this is a day president biden doesn't have anything on his public schedule. we knew from the briefing a couple of details. there's a lot more the white house may want to come out and say to dispel some of that panic. and peter alexander raised this during the briefing, what would you say to people who are freaked out by all of this. >> i can't tell you at any particular time nobody should be worried about anything. there's a multitude of threats facing this country and the

american people. but i can assure you the administration is working to do everything it can on this particular threat and to share more when it feels they can do that. he did point to instances in the past where the administration has done that, touting the fact that he believes the administration has done that more than predecessors, saying when he can, he feels they will be able to share more on that. >> i wonder if there's tension between senate intel and house intel. we got a statement from senator rubio on senate intel, and they say that they have seen this, they have been tracking this rigorously from the start. they are taking it seriously, but the pertinent part, in the meantime, we must be cautious about potentially disclosing sources and methods that may be key to preserving a range of options for u.s. action. is there tension between the senate and the house regarding, hey, listen, what are you doing, if you expose this material, we might lose our ability to

continue to track this information. >> there's always tension between the senate and the house, and you'll notice that that statement from the senate came from mark warner, the chair and marco rubio, the vice chair or ranking member, the top republican on the committee. mike turner's statement came from mike turner alone. that's important to note that distinction. i want to make two other points here. number one, when the speaker says there's steady hands at the wheel. i'm not sure anyone thinks that about congress. and congress obviously isn't the prime operator here. the u.s. military is, and the intelligence community is. i agree this administration has been more forthcoming with declassifying information, but when they did that, and i think they're referring to declassifying information about ukraine, the build up russian troops on the build up of the border, they were doing that for their own purposes, to build a public case that russia was going into ukraine, and that the u.s. should be prepared and the

global community should be prepare for that actuality. it's a course of a different color in some respects, it's not like they're declassifying intelligence all the time to be more open about covert operations in other countries. they have in some instances done that but i will say, this briefing right now, this intelligence is in the skiff, the secure facility right below us in the capitol, available for 435 members of congress to see. this will not be a secret for much longer. at some point in the next couple of days, someone will talk, preferably to "punchbowl news" and tell us what's going on and what this information s. it is classified, i understand that, but people like to talk, and once information is available to a range of people, the likelihood is someone is going to talk. >> we're going to have congressman you on. he's seen the intelligence and again, while it's classified, there's only so much he can say

as we saw with brigadier general pat ryder, i think it's going to be interesting to see how he would couch the information in terms of urgency. the qualification i got from a white house official is this was timely. not necessarily imminently urgent, but timely. >> reporter: yeah, and i think we have to really look at the larger backdrop to all of this, the pain reason the national security adviser was coming to the podium, and that was to talk about the urgent need for weapons and military aid to ukraine, and discussing russia's continued invasion of ukraine, and what that means on the world stage, what message that sends. and it comes at a time, the republican front runner for the nomination, former president trump made some very eyebrow raising and controversial and in the words of this white house, dangerous and un-american comments about nato and about what would happen if there was any kind of attack on a nato

country from russia and president putin. there's so much geopolitically going on on what the united states wanted to do when it comes to russia and ukraine, and there won't be massive speculation about what this is about, and they will want to share specifics so people have an idea of what they're talking about but also they want to remind americans of what's at stake here if ukraine does not get this funding from congress. and that has been a drum beat and a message that this president and administration have really been on for weeks and for months now. >> thank you very much. still ahead, what does tom suozzi's special election win say about democrats heading into november. what to expect ahead of a dig bay for donald trump's legal team tomorrow. the former president will be in a courtroom, while the judge and georgia is considering removing

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here, and you'll also see a lot of people that have red jerseys on. this was the after math of the rally to celebrate the back-to-back super bowl champion kansas city chiefs. the expectation was there was going to be about a million people out here in downtown kansas city today. for context, that's about twice the population of the city, all downtown, in about the same time period, and as the rally was wrapping up. we noticed as people were slowly milling about and moving away from the rally area, i'm going to have chris the photographer pan over a little bit to the right side of union station, historic union station, off to the right side, the right of the stage, we noticed there were people in red jerseys, presumably fans that seemed to be rushing away from the area, and at the same time people that appear to be in dark clothing, black clothing, potentially could have been police officers, we're quite a ways back, but looked like people who were rushing in to some kind of situation. at that point, we had a sense that something was not right.

we saw people jumping a fence as well. the other thing to show you that of course with so many people downtown, you would have heightened security presence, and part of that involves having personnel on roof tops. we have people with by knock -- binoculars over here. teams with long guns u there. one of the two people on the rooftop rushed back, was running to grab something, and rushed back over to the front edge there, so clearly there was a renewed sense of urgency around the area, and you can still hear in the background, we've got sirens going off, and that has been something that has been on again, off again, since this unfolded. i would say in the last 20 minutes or so. you mentioned we had footage of someone on a stretcher, and the last piece of this is that we had on the loud speaker people being asked to leave the area.

it was not an urgent call but people being asked to leave the area. i can tell you, and you can see there are still several people milling about out here. i think for the overwhelming majority of people out here, they may not have realized what was going on up close in union station. this looked like an average day in the park. it's beautiful weather. a lot of people were out here for the celebration. it's calm out here now. but definitely there was a time where there was this sense of urgency from officials, and again, we're talking about a vicinity that had thousands upon thousands of people broadly for this area, and the downtown street. about a 2 mile stretch for this parade. officials expected about a million people. somewhere this that vicinity. it's warm out. so you expect more people, potentially because of that, and all of those people were in the broader vicinity of what just unfolded here. >> jesse kirsch, thank you, retired atf special agent in

charge, jim kavanagh. this is a big event, you certainly had security there. the police were with long guns on top of roofs. how do you prepare for an event like this, and what do you do when something happens? >> it's hard to cover that area, katy. i know it well. i was stationed in kansas city division. agent in charge in wichita. i have been right at that spot many times by the union station. it's a large open area. has a lot of tall buildings around it. it's a perfect place for the parade but also a perfect place for an attack. so we're going to have to see, you know, who's the gunman or gunmen that have perpetrated this, and was it an attack on the parade or was it some other criminal activity. it's right in the center of kansas city, so, you know, it's hard to say exactly what it was at the moment.

kmomc is all over it. thaich got their officers on the roof, out there checking for the wounded. we'll have to see what facts unfold. >> let me read you a little bit from our affiliate knbc, they say police investigated a reported shooting at the victory rally for the kansas city chiefs and union city. the kansas city fire department confirmed it happened and called it a fluid situation. shots were fired west of union station, and yoet, several people were struck. two armed people have now been detained. there's a heavy police presence in the area as we can see. news chopper 9 footage spotted an emergency crew heading into union station. crews were working on at least two people outside of the station. and by crews were working on, we assume that means emts were working on as in delivering

either life saving measures or working on wounds on people outside of the station. knbc's len jennings said police were running toward the news station. knbc's laura moritz said a crowd surrounded somebody on the ground. the nfl network's james palmer tweeted a video of police escorting him and others from union station. again, jim, this is one of those events where, you know, it is hard to control. you have so many people going in. this is not a situation where you can set up metal detectors. you're not entering a stadium. you're in a public square. the vicinity surrounding a train station. >> exactly. this is very similar to train stations say in washington, d.c. other major cities have these older train stations.

this is the scene of the kansas city massacre where pretty boy floyd tried to break out a couple of gangsters. some officers were killed. four died in the shootout. the bullet holes are still in the building from that famous, you know, gangster era shootout, with machine guns. so it's so ironic, you know, when this comes on the screen that we have this massacre at the site of the kansas city massacre. this is a good police force. fbi and atf are station. they're going to be plenty of help. they said they had two men detained and that should give a lot of answers about what this is about. is this two groups shooting at each other, some kind of dispute in the street. gang activity, drug activity,

rival street thugs. sometimes that happens, you know, or is it persons who are targeting the revelers who are there to celebrate the chiefs victory. we don't have that answer yet. that's what we need to find out. >> we're going to find out in due time. speculation can only take us so far. just a little bit of information about missouri. it's the fifth highest rate of gun deaths in the united states. the state of missouri has that. there have been 47 mass shootings in 2024. just this year, february 14th, according to the gun violence archive. our affiliate, kshb covering this as well. we're going to dip into some of their coverage. >> reporter: trying to run towards our stage to the left of us and then maybe five minutes later the back right corner of the stage, people started screaming and caving in that way, and so that's when we ducked and held on to each other, and you know, kevin kind

of just put his arms around all of us and we started making phone calls and texting while also trying to stay on air and bring you guys live coverage of this because we want you guys to know what is happening here. you know, it was supposed to be a day of celebration. i think we're all just staying close to try and figure out what's to come and what really happened here today, and i will be, once i get the clear, walking around the parade route, trying to find witnesses, anybody who heard anything, anybody who saw anything, so we can bring you more information on what exactly happened here today, but yeah, i'm currently squatting on the side of the stage right now, just waiting for any direction from officers that are walking by. we'll send it back to you for now. >> i got to say, stay safe, and i'm glad that you are safe right now as we try to assess the scene and figure out exactly what happened.

as you saw, we saw one man in a red sweat suit who was in handcuffs. it's unclear what role he may have played in this. you see several officers trying to secure the perimeter. just, i would say, within 150, 200 yards from where i'm standing, i see at least 40 officers, and that's probably a modest count right there. you see right there on your screen, at least a dozen right there. >> and we're seeing different agents, these two certainly represented by kcpd, seeing officers in army fatigue. whether that's part of a s.w.a.t unit. hard to say, multiple agencies were out here for the parade. >> exactly. >> and we saw an officer running by with a long one at one point. definitely there was a very quick response, at this time, at least from what we saw, it was so chaotic, seemed as though there might have been multiple locations. i'm sure that's something they're trying to sort out at

this point. >> by the looks of things, traffic is gridlocked. you expected that right now, but a lot of people, their hearts beating even faster right now, trying to figure out exactly what happened and hoping they have the vitals with them right now. >> we're going to toss things back to the studio to see if you have received new information from authorities. >> we have, and unfortunately children's mercy hospital is treating multiple children as a result of this shooting told. multiple victims who are children being treated at children's mercy hospital right now. out with their families no doubt at the chiefs parade. other hospitals in the area have confirmed they're seeing patients. kansas city police tell us ten victims in the shooting today that happened west of union station near the garage after the chiefs championship parade. ten victims and of them multiple children. >> and we're hearing that university health is receiving two patients heading their way. again, we saw multiple ambulances probably going to several hospitals. we know at least university

health. >> this is video of the moments when they figured out, there's a shooting happening and they're trying to respond and assess the situation. we brought this to you live earlier in the broadcast. we're replaying what happened in those moments. again, we have not gotten updates on conditions of those victims yet. but at this point, the very latest information we have is that there are ten total victims and multiple children. >> and you can see just how many people were at today's parade. multiple law enforcement. we know hundreds of at least kansas city police officers, not to mention state troopers, and we also saw some military members as well. >> a significant challenge in a situation like this, with so many fans packed into so many places. we have multiple locations. multiple patients are being treated at children's mercy hospital, so they are saying that children's mercy may be treating multiple people. maybe not all of them are children, maybe one of them are

children. those are multiple patients being treated. >> it's devastating to hear. we know one child, maybe more than one child hurt in all of this. you saw a lot of children with their families, and we do have crews out there right now, gathering the latest information. we have reporter, and elise do you have more information? >> reporter: we're hearing what sounds like more noise of shots right now that just literally happened right as you were saying my name there, cameron. i don't know where that sound is coming from. again, that is just sounds i just heard. that does sound like shots. i don't know for sure. it's down the street from where i am at. where i'm at is on grand and pershing. i believe you're looking directly down what the parade route was. you can see that there are multiple police cars lined up, multiple. just all the way farther back than i can even, my line of sight will even let me go. i know just talking about the fact that we learned there were

ten victims confirmed. honestly, as far as the atmosphere out here, it's just heartbreaking. people have been really shaken up. i know we mentioned the fact that there's the potential that some of these victims are children, and just seeing how many children were here with their families today and how excited they were to be here, there is no -- in no world should a child have to experience or face or see or even be near this. the area has cleared out a little bit. we did see some paramedics treating what looks like to be perhaps a person or two on the ground. they have since moved and at least were okay enough to leave or potentially one of the people transported. again, it's just a lot of just frustration and sadness out here as we're celebrating what should be of course a happy day for chiefs kingdom. it appears that most people are starting to leave and starting to clear the area, which is of course exactly what we want to make sure people are getting out of here safely.

police have some of these portions of the streets just blocked, and they're making sure that people are reuniting with loved ones. making sure people are making calls. the reception is often not great. people connecting with loved ones, making sure they're calling those who are with them, and make sure they are okay adds well. we're going to try to see what else we can confirm out here and to see if there's any other information we can bring it you all. again, it is heartbreaking to be out here and sad this is the way we had to wrap up our parade. i see another ambulance coming hear through the gates. i'll let my photographer pan over to that. going right through, again, that's going to be toward the stages which is obviously where this unfolded. hopefully it's not because they have to treat someone else. hopefully it's out of precaution. we'll try to figure out and see if there are any other victims out here and just the status of those who are out here.

we'll go ahead and send things back to you for now. >> we got to correct a couple of things, and keep you up to date. >> we're finding out what you may have heard during elise's shot was fireworks, in fact, not shots fired. she said it was possibly that. but we want to correct that. it was fireworks, that's what we heard from law enforcement there. >> what we have confirmed, there are ten victims, two armed people who are now in custody for questioning. we have children's mercy, truman health, they are all receiving patients. we are unsure the ages of those patients, the conditions of the victims of the shooting. we're working to get as much information as we can and bring it to you. this is a situation that, i mean, you feel for all of those families. this is a joyous day. a day to create memories for families, and for it to end this way is just truly crushing. >> nobody expects for this to happen.

we talked about planning, kevin talked about that. we talked about safety. no doubt law enforcement plans for something that could happen. but in reality, we all don't expect something to happen. >> we still see every one, as you're watching, i mean, we're seeing this live as you're seeing it. multiple law enforcement. members of law enforcement still ambulances pulling up there to the scene. and, again, they were trying to evacuate this area, so we were bringing you those images live, and you saw the rush of people, law enforcement was really trying to open it up and make space for first responders to get there. >> there were so many law enforcement vehicles. i counted at least a dozen. it stretched very far back, at least a block. probably a few blocks. it shows the law enforcement presence that was there at the parade today. we know the fbi had a presence here, and they are helping out. mainly the information is going to come from kansas city police, fire department, that's who we

continue to reach out to for updates. >> we're going to go to daniela leon who we have there on the scene for us. please tell us what's going on, what you're feeling, what you're seeing? >> reporter: hey, it's a lot happening right now. you can see behind me, there is a heavy police presence happening all throughout union station. i was one of the first reporters who spotted officers running. in fact, i was with steve. we were right next to union station, our photographer, and we saw officers running in all different directions. we're going to pan the camera this way because there are victims being taken out. i'm seeing one out on the stretcher, this way over here, that way we give them privacy. we're trying to figure out exactly what's going on. we did see a man who was arrested. we don't know the connection yet. we're trying to get details from officers, they kept telling me it's a fluid situation out here. we have been trying to talk to people. simply telling me they heard

shooting and people started running different directions. this is a very new situation happening at union station. not the scene we were used to this morning. it's turned into a nightmare. a lot of people have left their belongings, as you can see out there. running in all types of direction. we're working on gathering detail. it's a strange situation. i can't put words to it. back to you. >> thank you for that. we're actually starting to get reaction now from players on the kansas city chiefs, the people right there on the stage there at union station to celebrate with the city. >> drue tranquil posted on social media, please join me in prayer for all the victims of this heinous act. pray that doctors and first responders would have steady hands and that all would experience full healing. and governor laura kenny in

kansas. showing the same sentiments as well. she said shots were fired nearby union station. -- we are tuning into our local affiliate in kansas city as they cover the shooting, kshb is the affiliate. we can confirm ten victims right now. we do not know the ages of these victims, they have been taken to a number of hospitals. we do not know if children are among the victims, and nor do we know the status of these victims, whether they're critical or in stable condition or what. we don't know anything about that right now. we're waiting on more word from law enforcement officials. two people who were armed, two armed people were taken into custody according to officials there. again, around a million people, maybe more were showing up for the kansas city super bowl celebration parade. and this shooting happened near

the garage as people were disbursing. the team had already left. some local reporters heard the gunshots reported right there. law enforcement immediately flooded the area. obviously this is a high intensity event. it is a high security event. but it's not a stadium. there's no metal detectors. you can't go through them to get into a space as large as this. it's a gathering. you know, but they did have sharp shooters on routes. they were prepared in the event that something bad did happen. it does sound like police and law enforcement were able to respond relatively quickly. let's bring in democratic congressman jason crow. the cochair of the gun violence prevention task force. he is a congressman from colorado, aurora, colorado, where the movie theater shooting happened in 2012, 12 people died there. congressman, i hate to bring you on to talk about this, but i'm

glad you're here with us because this is something that is not being resolved. the gun violence in this country is not being resolved, despite the steps that have been taken by lawmakers, i mean the few steps, the very small steps. what needs to be done? >> my heart is breaking for kansas city and the victims and their families. this is a terrible, devastating incident, no doubt about it. i represent a community as you pointed out that is no stranger to gun violence. some of the largest mass shootings in our nation occurred at my district, at the aurora theater and columbine as well. we're going to be at the 20th anniversary of columbine. that is uniquely american

problem. nobody else in the world has the problem that we have right now. any heart breaks, my thoughts and prayers go out to the families and the victims here, but listen, i'm a member of congress. i'm a legislature. i'm not a member of the clergy. and my job is not to just send thoughts and prayers. my job is to legislate and try to solve problems, and that's why i have been pushing hard to try to solve it. people should be pushing their members of congress and others to join with us to do the same. >> is there a way to get movement on this issue? is there a voice that can force movement? maybe the football players, the kansas city chiefs who were there right before this happened? could they have a voice in this? >> everybody can and should have a voice in this. everybody who's had enough and knows that this does not need to be this way, this is not the price of freedom.

this is not the price of democracy. this is not just the way it needs to be. we shouldn't grow numb to this problem. it was not this way before. right? this is something that is new. when i was growing up this was not happening. this is a new problem. there are policy solutions that will not completely solve it, right. there's no one law that solves everything. but we can pass really common sense policies that are overwhelmingly supported by the american people. for example, background checs, about nine out of ten americans agree with that. that's a commons basic thing that responsible firearm owners will agree to. everybody should stand up and say enough is enough and call for action here. >> to reiterate that we have been dealing with this a lot lately. it's six years to the day for the parkland shooting. six years ago, almost to the minute, that we found out that there was a shooting at parkland high school down in florida.

and that is one of the deadliest shootings that has happened at a school, and yet so little has changed. that generation is pretty vocal about this. i mean, we've seen a number of youth leaders come out of that school in particular on the issue of guns. do you see this as a generational issue? is change going to come when that generation joins the ranks of congress? >> certainly young folks are leading the way. they have had enough, and they're bearing the brunt of this. i'm the father of two young school aged children who now have to go through gun drills in school. you know, my daughter when she was younger in elementary school would go through bad guy drills, and hide in a bathroom, and she would come home and say, i had to hide in a bathroom in case a bad guy came. this is absurd, it's beyond

absurd, it's a tragedy and a moral travesty that we can't act on this. people need to stand up and say enough is enough. by the way, what i just said, there are people who are going to come to me and say, oh, you're politicizing a tragedy. oh, it's too early to talk about this and talk about legislation. you know, we are mature enough to actually grieve and ascend thoughts and prayers with the family, and say we're going to grieve with you, but also demand change. this is happening all the time. frequently enough that we can't pound our fists. >> we don't know the details. we don't know who pulled the trigger. we don't know who's in custody. we know little about the situation. we don't know if this person or people got guns lawfully. what if they got them illegally? how do you fix that issue? >> here's the deal. we know no one law solves every

problem. decades ago a lot of people used to die in car accidents. then we passed seat belt laws. significantly fewer people die in car accidents. if we pass laws will there be people that slip through the cracks and die because of guns, yes, but it will be less than 40,000, that's much i can tell you. people will find ways through the cracks but our job is to make policy here, and policy that will be good for everybody, and that, you know, is common sense stuff. i'm a gun owner, by the way, i grew up a gun owner, a hunter, i'm a former army ranger. i went to war three times for this country in iraq and afghanistan. and i carried weapons of war with me in iraq and afghanistan. and i carried hunting rifles when i went gear hunting. guess what, i didn't take an assault rifle with me when i went deer hunting and i didn't take my hunting knife with me when i went to war in iraq and afghanistan. the weapon matters. we don't know this specific incident what happened.

and we're going to learn over the coming days what happened here. i can tell you, overall, we have a problem. this is one example of the major crisis and problem, and there's ways to make it better. >> more than a million people showing up to celebrate the kansas city chiefs and the super bowl win. the city closed schools for the parade so kids could celebrate as well. 14 schools were closed in the kansas city area according to npr. certainly a mixed crowd. all age ranges. a lot of people there in what should have been a celebratory event. thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it, and we appreciate your candor about what needs to be done and the hurdles that are currently blocking it. let's bring in nbc national security analyst, clint watts, i would like to get a little more insight on how you protect a situation like this, what you do when there is a giant celebration, not an arena, again, it's not easy to put metal detectors up, when you

have a mass of people gathering for any event, how do you protect that? >> katy, there's no good answer to be honest, but the ones that do it the best is the nypd and what they do in new york city, you can think of the new year's eve celebration, and what do they do, they do containment, they do security checks, you see them bring in people incrementally to defined areas which are then overwatched. you make sure people don't have weapons. very easy oftentimes to deal with weapons because they're not allowed in the same way that you see in other parts of the country. that's just not going to be possible, especially in something like a parade over a long, extended stretch. it's just very very challenging, like you said, a parade of a million people, that is handle . they're not going to have the capacity to do something like that. so in comes the, you know, tradeoffs of freedoms we always hear about the freedom in terms of weapons, freedom in terms of carrying weapons but at the same time what is the freedom for the

million people that wanted to go to the parade today that they have to feel like they're under threat, they are at risk for their lives for attending. i think that's the challenge here is how do you create a security state around these gigantic events? it's really not possible to some degree, especially on something that's like a moving situation like a parade, where you have a long corridor that you have to secure. >> and a profile is a dirty word, but how do you profile a potential shooter? what can you do to stop this before it happens? >> i think the key things that we can look at is always frequency and impact. there's two parts of this. the frequency is usually when we see an incident there's been some sort of indicator, suspicious activity report, some sort of criminal violation. it could be a mental health report that's come on. all of those things could be triggers and trips that we can use to go out and proactively engage people that might engage in some sort of a shooting. the other part is doing vulnerability assessments around

key events. so how do they try to prevent, you know, people from entering a spot like this, maybe hitting a specific target or really a mass target like this, i know you and i were probably on air during the las vegas shooting many years ago, you know, how do you prevent something like that? then the other part is the impact and that really comes down to weapons. if people, you know, have easy and open access to weapons, if they have weapons when they're in a mental state that's not quite right or other circumstances where they shouldn't have it, these are the other measures by which we can do it. there's a range of things we could do. there are a range of ways we can stop that but most of the time we are not seeing that implemented in any consistent way across the country and from state to state the rules vary dramatically in terms of the laws and regulations and the capacity of law enforcement to really preempt things like that. >> we see a bunch of ambulances, again, the number of people shot at least ten according to law enforcement officials, that number could be as many as 12

according to law enforcement. they've been brought to a number of hospitals in the area, including a children's hospital, but we do not know the age ranges of the people who are shot. again, we do not know if any of them were children, although a children's hospital is currently treating victims. and although we know there were a number of kids there in attendance, again, it's a super bowl parade. it's a celebratory event. kids love football, kids are out there celebrating as well. so we hope that no kids were involved in any of this. clint, i'm going to put you on hold for one second and go to our nbc news investigative correspondent tom winters. tom, what are you learning? we're having audio issues with tom, he will be up in just one second. again, ten victims, two armed people in custody. could be as many as 12 victims, by the way. police, though, say two armed people in custody and just

mentioning one more time this is six years to the day of the parkland shooting, february 14, six years ago, the parkland shooting happened and so many kids lost their lives in a school and yet so little has been done to address gun violence since then. there has been some legislation, a foot in the door as some lawmakers will tell you, but not all that much to address these mass shootings or to diminish them. i mean, we've seen so many just in the past six months. clint, i know you're still with us. is there legislation, honestly, that can address this at this point? >> katy, you know, in the shooting just the tragic shooting in maine you might remember from a few months ago, law enforcement, you know, firearms instructor having weapons but also having mental health issues, the question quickly came up about red flag laws. red flag laws are those where people are having some sort of mental issue or some other cause

can have their weapons, you know, removed or restrained from them, but they're very difficult to implement. there's no good way to go about implementing it and that also is just pointing to the challenges of when somebody has a weapon how do you regain control of that weapon and do it lawfully and legally. the other things are the basics and it seems like most americans agree that people should have a background check, people should have training, people should have certification that they know how to properly use the weapons or they are properly controlling those. all those things could be done at a national level, but they are not. and they would oftentimes prevent a lot of these things from happening. the other part of it is just tips and leads around iincident, the same way that we might look at the terrorism era. if it was 20 years ago, we went through some dramatic efforts and some really specific rules and techniques to try to preemptively identify terrorist plots.

we can do that but we don't. we haven't institute add system to collect all the tips and leads in a way we could be brief preemptive. >> states can enact their state laws. a shell issue state for citizens in lawful permanent residence who are 19 years or older. permitless carry took effect in 2017. there have been 47 mass shootings in 2024 according to the gun violence archive, i believe that's at least four people not not including the shooter i believe that's how they shoot it. missouri has the fifth highest rate of gun deaths in the united states. so, again, clint, a federalist system where each state can enact their own laws regarding guns means there's a patchwork situation. >> that's right, katy, and it's just a very different situation. i was born and raised in missouri, the way that things

like the nra and local gun organizations used to actually take an effort to train people, to try to, you know, have a sense of gun responsibility, that's changed dramatically over the last 40 years. so when you look at the laws they're not supporting the prevention of gun deaths. they're accelerating gun access. and accelerating gun access it really leads to people likely that should not have a gun and particularly should not have things like a semiautomatic rifle gaining quick access to them. we don't know the circumstances yet in this case so i'm not sure in terms of those that were the perpetrators today, but any location that just has a highly permissive acquisition of weapons you will likely see a higher impact in terms of violence and deaths when people have those weapons. >> we have some is it information from police scanners and just to characterize om of what i'm reading this is the

moments that police say the shooting happened. they were -- you know, in the vicinity of the west side of union station, telling people around them to shelter in place, they said the shooter was on the west side of the union station, multiple people shot, somebody with a leg injury according to this scanner operations -- or scanner communications. we have, again, ten victims, they are all gunshot wound victims. two other victims walked -- they were taken to a hospital via ambulance. two other victims have walked into hospitals with gunshot wounds since. they're still trying to figure out if they were at the parade as well. so it's unclear. so at least ten victims, potentially 12 victims. clint, finally, as we get to the end of our hour, we began this hour talking about a national security threat, an unnamed national security threat that the chairman of house intel was warning the public about without getting into details because it's classified, but he was

urging the president to declassify that information and make it public so that the american public is aware, but also so that they can publicly assess the situation with allies and come up with a plan to address this serious national security threat which we learned through reporting and sources has to do with russia. we're ending this hour talking about another mass shooting. we have so many americans that are killed by guns in this country. does the government address this as a national security threat as well given the number of americans who die because of guns? >> yeah, i think it would be absolute top priority. if you just -- imagine, katy, if this were the terrorism era and we were talking about terrorist incidents or terrorist shootings or plots, we saw reactions in places like brussels, paris, when this happened in the 2014, '15 and '16 era with isis that we would let this just continue

at random all over our country continuously and not address it is shocking to me, especially when we look at the reaction that we're having to any incident during the counterterrorism era against al qaeda and isis. so why we wouldn't elevate this to a top priority nationwide so that people could feel safe anywhere in america, it's hard to understand. >> it's stark. starting the show with the national security threat that's unnamed from another country and ending the show with at least ten people shot at a super bowl parade in kansas city, missouri. clint watts, thank you very much. that's going to do it for me. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone, it is 4:00 here in new york, i'm alicia mendez in for nicolle wallace. we are following breaking news out of kansas city where shots were fired. it is a fluid situation but here is what we know so far. officials say ten