on anything related to immigration. and by the way, they don't share our values. they want to separate families. they want to go to trumpian, harsh enforcement policies that simply don't work. and that's the way i would phrase it. is not that we had a perfect border deal. i don't like that border deal. but i think it is an opportunity to show the hypocrisy of republicans, and to remind democrats, once again, that we win elections when we turn out our base as well as independents. and i think that something democrats constantly forget. let's not run away from immigration. let's dive into it, and show the beauty of the democratic vision when it comes to immigration. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you, as always. it's great to hear from you tonight. that is our show for this evening. now, it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. as you know, there were two big winners last night in special elections. when you are just talking about, the other in pennsylvania. we're gonna get from the winner from pennsylvania to join us later in this discussion.

>> can't wait to see it. great show. >> thank you. tonight, president biden said this. today's events should move us, shock us. shame us into acting. what are we waiting for? what else do we need to see? how many more families need to be torn apart? it is time to act. that's where i stand, and i asked the country to stand with me to make your voice heard in congress. so we finally act to ban assault weapons. to limit high capacity magazines. strengthen background checks. keep guns out of the hands of those who have no business owning them or handling them. we have to decide. who we are as a country. for me, we're a country where people should have the right to go to school, to walk the street, and to attend a super bowl celebration. without fear of losing your life to gun violence. jill and i pray for those killed and injured today in

kansas city. and for our country to find the result of to end this senseless epidemic of gun violence tearing us at the seams. later in this hour, we'll be joined by david hogg, a survivor of the mass murder in parkland, florida, exactly six years ago today. our breaking legal news tonight, once again, a special prosecutor jack smith once the united states supreme court to move fast. yesterday's supreme court told the special prosecutor and his team that they had seven days to respond to donald trump's appeal to the united states supreme court on donald trump's claim of absolute immunity from any and all criminal prosecutions of any crimes he may have committed while he was president of the united states. having been given seven full day's, jack smith took exactly one day to file a 40-page response in opposition to the supreme court making the argument that there was no reason for the supreme court to

hear donald trump's appeal of a unanimous opinion by the second most important court in the country, the washington d. c. federal court of appeals, who supported the trial judge's ruling that there is no such thing as immunity from criminal prosecution for former presidents. the arguments on both sides are re-statements of what they argued to the appeals court, which accepted literally every word of jack smith's argument and rejected every word of the trump argument. jack smith told the supreme court that if they do take the case, they should move as fast as the supreme court ruled when they ruled unanimously against republican president richard nixon. when they ordered president nixon in 1974 to comply with a subpoena for audio tapes of his white house conversation. that unanimous opinion and

order by the supreme court ended the nixon presidency. richard nixon followed the supreme court's order and handed over the tapes. nixon realized he was caught on those tapes committing crimes, so he quickly resigned the presidency to avoid being impeached and convicted in the united states senate. he made that decision to resign after a small group of republican senators went to the white house to tell the president -- the vote count he was facing on impeachment. the leader of that republican group was the most conservative republican senator, very barry goldwater, who had been the last republican nominee for president before richard nixon. barry goldwater, who could be as tough and stern as anyone in the senate said he was, quote, very, very upset about the evidence of richard nixon's participation in obstruction of justice. barry goldwater said it really shook me up. the evidence really -- shook

him up. for the republican senators meeting in the oval office, barry goldwater, told the new york times that he told the president that the vote for impeachment in the house of representatives would be nearly unanimous. that was his phrase. nearly unanimous. and he said the president nixon would get at least, at least, 85 guilty votes in the united states senate. -- speaking to reporters the white house driveway after -- senator goldwater told the reporters i don't even know yet how he knew -- i would vote if it came to the senate. i will be guided by what i hear and what i believe. everyone who knew barry goldwater, including nixon, took that to mean barry goldwater would vote guilty. and that means it is possible that the guilty vote in the united states senate would have been nearly unanimous, if not

unanimous. because even the most hard-core republican in the senate, barry goldwater, refused to defend richard nixon's criminality. such as the tragic decline of the republican party from 1974 to 2024. a 50-year decline from opposing criminal conduct by republican presidents to supporting criminal conduct by one republican president. in his filing today, jack smith reminded the supreme court just how fast they can act. quote, this court acted expeditiously to resolve a claim of presidential immunity and privilege in the united states vieth nixon. a footnote in jack smith's brief refers the court to a petition jacks mitt filed with the court on december 11th, trying to get the supreme court to take this case then and by past the court of appeals. because it was obviously going to eventually end up in the supreme court anyway, as it

has. in that filing, in december, jack smith laid out the timeline of just how quickly the united states supreme court can act when it wants to. quote, on may 24th, 1974, the special prosecutor -- socked -- a week later, and set the case for -- july, 1970 the decision issued 16 days later. when the trial began in the fall of 1974. so the timeline, when the supreme court wanted to new move fast in the nixon case, was a total of two months. from the first filing requesting that the supreme court hear the case to the day the supreme court issued its opinion. two months. if the supreme court had taken this case when jack smith asked him to -- on december 11th and if they followed the nixon schedule, they would've issued their opinion on this case on

monday of this week. two days ago. and instead, on monday of this week, the trump lawyers filed their request for the supreme to -- take over the case. so, the supreme court already let two months pass on this case, which was completely unnecessary unless, unless -- after refusing to take the case themselves two months ago they decide that the work dung by the circuit of appeals is so thorough and thoroughly acceptable to them that they reject donald trump's request to hear another appeal of the case. and then the case could quickly be returned to the trial schedule, and judge tanya chutkan's courtroom. on the last page of jack smith 's brief today after telling the supreme court there is no reason for them to take the case, he then suggested a schedule.

for the supreme court. if they decide to take this case, jack smith told the court, if they decide to take the case that -- forced to file their appeals brief ten days after the supreme court agrees to take the case, and that jack smith should then be required to file his brief seven days thereafter, and that the trump lawyers could then be allowed to file a reply brief five days thereafter. that allows a total of three weeks for all of the briefs to be written, submitted to the court, after the day the supreme court agrees to take the case. if today is any indication of the speed of jack smith's team, they probably would not use all seven days to write the brief. so it could be a few days friday than three weeks. it can be done. it has been done. when the stakes for this high once before in 1974, when a criminal president was seeking the protection of the united states supreme court, the united states supreme court quickly and unanimously refused to protect the republican president of the united states.

in an opinion written by chief justice warren burger, who was appointed by richard nixon, whose residency chief justice burger in effect destroyed with that unanimous opinion. leading off our discussion it is neal katyal, msnbc legal analyst and host of the podcast courtside with neal katyal. i left a wrinkle in what this filing actually is. the trump team has not actually requested the supreme court to take over the case right now. they're just asking them to force the circuit court of appeals below them to have another hearing on it. take us through that, and how we would then also end up in the supreme court, even if that did happen. >> yeah. so the story begins with last week, when criminal defendant

donald trump lost a three to our decision in the court of appeals which basically called his claim of absolute immunity crazy. they said, oh, -- put the president above the law even for murder, and that could not possibly be the constitution of the united states. so trump now, where it says -- basically seeking to things. one is he ultimately wants the supreme court to hear is absolute immunity case, and second, in the interim, while they're deciding whether to hear it and when they get briefing, and so on about, it he wanted -- the trial stopped in the interim. he wants to delay his criminal trial. today's finding really about that latter question the. supreme court gave jack smith, as you noted, a week to file that. they said that yesterday. jack smith took one day. they could go home for valentine's day at dinner. that's how fast they were. for me, the challenging part for jack smith was had to face all the glaring areas in

trump's filing while still staying within the supreme court's word count. but nonetheless, this brief today wrote itself. and this question, what we call a stay, it's really the ball game. it's, do you put this trial on pause? because trump's entire strategy, he knows absolute immunity is a total dead loser. it's all about delay. and if he can delay the trial enough, then -- his hope is he can become president and ordered the trial to be stopped. and next. >> neal, in what jack smith filed today, what stood out for you? >> a couple things stood out for me. one is just how muscular jack smith was about the allegations against the president. he didn't mince where it's and say that this would basically put the president totally above the law, that it was inconsistent with our entire tradition for 200 years and the like. so that's one thing. the other is, i think he did a

very good job of taking trump's best argument and using it against him. trump's best argument was, hey, jack smith, you sought the supreme court to hear this case yourself out last month. you try to get them to bypass the court of appeals. so you are saying supreme court, here in this case. now, you're saying supreme court, don't hear this case. you look like you're contradicting yourself. and what smith said is basically, no way. the way the supreme court operates is they consider themselves a court of review, not a first view. that is to say, they like legal issues to percolate in the lower courts and get ventilated between the different judges before the u. s. supreme court gets involved. but smith side is, that's what's happened now. you had this unanimous decision in the court of our appeals, our nation's second highest court. and on that panel of judges was a really diverse group of judges. it wasn't just liberal judges. it was one very prominent conservative judges while.

everyone agreed trump's claim was bogus. so you don't need the supreme court. >> let me ask you a tactical question, as an experienced supreme court practitioner. that last page where you're saying to the court, here's the actual schedule you should get. you should get ten days followed by seven days followed by five days. how does the court react to that kind of specific instruction, you might call it? did they consider that presumptuous? what they prefer you just say expedite, expedite, go really fast, but don't be so presumptuous to give us a number of days like that? >> you know, i've been in exactly that position. when you represent the united states justice department, as jack smith does, you do exactly that. so you first stay, as he said, for 36 pages. don't hear this case. but then the responsible thing to do is say, if you're gonna hear, it here's the timetable in which you should hear it. he's the president which size you should do that. there is one other important thing, lawrence. there was another filing in this case with senator -- chief

sponsor to the u.s. supreme court in this confirmation hearing, who is joined by judge michael luttig, a very noted conservative jurist, larry thompson, a great deputy trade general number two by george w. bush, and they said to the supreme court, absolutely. don't delay this. because if you grant trump's request for a delay, you will undermine our entire constitutional structure. and i suspect that that brief is gonna have a lot of close readership at the u.s. supreme court. and so, if i were a betting man right now, i would say the u.s. supreme court is not gonna hear this case, despite how important trump says it is and the like. the findings are just so powerful in the direction of the supreme court -- staying out. >> oh, boy. the las vegas bookies tonight, getting all this action on this bet laid down by neal katyal. neal, thank you very much for

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>> just a few days ago, trump gave an invitation to putin to invade some of our allies, nato allies. he said, if an ally didn't spend enough money on defense, he would encourage russia to, quote, do whatever the hell they want, and of quote. can you imagine? a former president of the united states saying that? the whole world heard it. the worst thing is, he means that. no other president in our history has ever vowed down to a russian dictator. let me say, this is clearly as i can. i never will. for god sake, it's dumb, it's shameful, it's dangerous, it's

un-american. >> that was president biden speaking at the white house yesterday. that was in response to donald trump saying that he would encourage vladimir putin to attack poland and other american allies in europe. >> one of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, well, sir, if we don't pay, and were attacked by russia, will you protect us? i said, you didn't pay? you're delinquent? he said, yes. let's say that happened. no, i would not protect you. in fact, i would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. >> donald trump is, of course, lying to his know nothing followers when he tells them countries have to pay dues to nato. there are no dues for nato membership. with donald trump described there is a crime. as our membership in nato is based on a treaty agreed to by the united states of america, which makes it the law of the land of the united states of america. >> supporting this bill is standing up to putin.

opposing it is playing into putin's hands. and they say that the house members, house republicans, you've gotta decide. are you gonna stand up for freedom? or are you going to decide with terror and tyranny? are you gonna stand with ukraine? are you gonna stand with putin? we stand with america or trump? republicans and democrats in the senate came together to send a message of unity to the world. it's time for the house republicans to do the same thing. to pass this bill immediately. to stand for decency, to stand for democracy. to stand up to a so-called leader hell-bent on weakening american security. and i mean this sincerely. history is watching. history is watching. >> yesterday, the white house issues this statement. speaker johnson said he wouldn't pass a national security bill without a border deal. president biden and a bipartisan group of senators

negotiated a border deal. speaker johnson rejected the border deal. the senate passed the national security bill without a border bill without a border deal. speaker johnson says -- he won't bring the national security bill for a vote because it doesn't include a border deal. make it make sense. joining us now to make it make sense is democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger of virginia. she's a member of the house intelligence committee, she was part of a congressional delegation to ukraine last week. they met with president zelenskyy. thank you for joining us tonight. you heard the president yesterday. they've issued a new statement tonight from the campaign, because donald trump sided said it again tonight. that he would absolutely abandon nato allies. it's become a promise. it's like a campaign promise of his. what is at stake for america in this choice? in this choice on nato policy between joe biden and donald trump? >> everything is at stake.

the absolute role of the united states in the world, our national security, the alliances that we belt coming out of world war ii. the alliances, economic, military, political, that we have made that have been, you know, part and parcel of our success as a country, and the alliances that we have depended on are all at stake. we talk frequently about the challenge in ukraine, noting that if putin is able to defeat ukraine and continue on to poland, at that point, it's an article five situation. at that point, we must go on the ground, boots on the ground, to defend an ally. and i would just note, there has only been one time that article five has been invoked. and that was september 12, 2001. in defense of the united states

of america when we wear were attacked. our nato allies joined with us. they went to war for 20 years with us. and so the fact that the a. former president and now a candidate for the presidency would defile, degrade, and threaten an alliance that has been vital to our security, but also to the security of the world order, as absolutely astonishing. and it speaks to how completely unprepared, ill-equipped, and absolutely not deserving of the role this man is. >> i want to listen to something the president said yesterday, that donald trump doesn't know, and that his followers don't know about how ukraine aid actually creates jobs in the united states. let's listen to this. >> yeah. >> this bill sends military equipment to ukraine. it spends the money right here in the united states of

america. places like arizona, where the patriot missiles are built. and alabama, where the javelin missiles are built. pennsylvania, ohio, in texas where it artillery shells and made. and the way it works is we supply ukraine with military equipment from our stockpiles. and then we spend our money replenishing the stock files so our military has access to them. stockpiles that are made right here in america, by american workers. not only supports american jobs and communities. it allows us to invest in maintaining and strengthening our own defense manufacturing capacity. -- >> that is basically the case that president roosevelt made 1940 to supply and the british in their fight against hitler not nazi germany before the united states was engaged in that war. this is basically exactly the same message, and in 1940 americans understood it. >> yes. the reality is, it is in our

national security interest to continue supporting ukraine. by providing the president, the patriots, the javelins, these are the elements of military aid that support our ukrainian partners ability to fight this war, protect their cities, protect their civilian population as they work to regain their territory and defeat vladimir putin's army. it also in the process allows us to you know, build up our own stockpile as we are moving weapons to ukraine, we are replenishing our own, and yes the reality is that those are weapon systems that are made in the united states. so when we talk about the funding for our support to ukraine, this is funding for systems, military --

constructed here in the united states, which is dollars -- never to be -- seeing again. but at the end of the day, lawrence, the ability of the ukrainian people, the ukrainian army to defeat vladimir putin's army, to stand up for democracy, to fight for their own freedom, it is in the united states says national security interest. vladimir putin is watching whether we will vote for this national security supplemental. president xi is watching. the ayatollah is watching. north korea's watching. our foes, tyrants, terrorist and terrorists alike are watching whether the united states will continue to uphold not only our obligations, but our sense of our values, of american democracy and democracy the world, over whether we will support our allies in their fight for freedom, or whether we will retreat on the world stage. it is fundamentally an hour interest to support ukraine, to support our israeli allies, to

deliver humanitarian aid to civilians in gaza, and to ensure that we are supporting taiwan's ability to potentially meet ready to defend itself into the future. this bill that the speaker will not bring to the house floor is in our nation's best interest. he must bring it, we must pass it, the world is watching, and frankly it is our security that is on the line just like the other nations we seem to support. >> quick question, but before we go, i need to ask you about something that the republican chairman of the intelligence house committee did today which is something i've never seen a chairman of either knowledge and community house or senate do. he publicly revealed what he said was a new national security threat from russia involving a new weapon, that russia was in the process of developing apparently. there is some indication that he may have thought this was a way to help leverage aid for ukraine against russia since he likely returned from the trip

from ukraine. what can you tell us about that? >> as a member of the house intelligence committee, i actually cannot say anything about that. i did not know what might have been the idea behind the chairman's decision to share that information publicly, but i do know the information that i have received related to anything within the intelligence sphere, and the briefings diversity of are not something i can share publicly. i respect you for asking, i certainly know it is making the, news but i can't comment on it. >> the administration is assuring people that they are well aware of, this and have it fully under control. we will be following that. congresswoman abigail spanberger, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> coming up, last night the democrats went two for two in two important special elections. one of the democrats big winners on this, night will join us next. will join us next. with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis or active psoriatic arthritis,

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those are good careers! but i chose a different path. first, as mayor and then in the legislature. i enshrined abortion rights in our california constitution. in the face of trump, i strengthened hate crime laws and lowered the costs for the middle class. now i'm running to bring the fight to congress. you were always stubborn. and on that note, i'm evan low, and i approve this message. last night the democrats went two for two. the special elections, two big victories. last night at this very hour, this minute actually, we were listening to the victory speech of democrat tom suozzi in a special election in new york's third congressional district on long island. congressman-elect suozzi will take the now vacant seat of expelled republican congressman george santos who -- the speaker of what harry truman is to call the do nothing congress

is sending the house are presented ifs on an honorary recess until february 28th, which means tom suozzi will not be sworn in until february 28th, the republican majority in the house will go down to only six seats on february 20th, needham the democratic congressional campaign committee released its list of 33 districts in play which include most of the 17 republicans who currently sit in biden districts, five in new york, five in california, two in arizona, and one in nebraska, new jersey, pennsylvania, and virginia. last night was also a victory for democrats in pennsylvania's house of representatives. democrat jim prokupecz ak, prok, jim prokopiak jim prokopiak won a house seat in bucks county and suburban philadelphia by 35 points. that when secured democrats a one seat majority in the house

of representatives. the biden harris campaign released the statement after the two big democratic victories. there is now an undeniable pattern of strong democratic performances under president biden and despite not -- baffling punditry saying otherwise, that is good news for our campaign after winning more votes in 2020 than any candidate for president in american history joe biden has overseen the strongest of your and midterm election performances under a democratic incumbent president in decades. joining us now is simon rosenberg, democratic strategist and author of -- hopeium why nichols on substack. simon, you've had -- let me see

the map, and i wasn't yet ready to look at it. there is enormous potential, and clearly there's an indication here of the -- strength in the biden reelection -- >> yeah, i think it's really important with the biden campaign said, baffling, thank you for saying that. because it is baffling. since tabs in 2022 we just keep winning. we defied history in 2022 midterms, 2023 in another extraordinary set of wins across the country and we have seen the same pattern of democratic over performance and it is baffling the reason more attention to the fact of how rare this is. it is very rare in our system for the party in power to win and make gains again and again and again now over three calendar years and have an election and parts of the country, it has been an extraordinary performance for the democrats and as the campaign indicated who would you rather be as we head to the

general election? the campaign that kept winning elections all across the, country or the one that keeps losing elections all across the country. right? there is a quiet confidence in the democratic party, now that things are going well for us. we keep winning in these, by the way to winning in tough places. we are winning in florida, pennsylvania, wisconsin, these are -- not layups. even what happened in new york last night, this was one of the toughest as steve kornacki did a very good job explaining this last night on air. one of the toughest places in 2022. we've lost this district by seven and a half points, 1. 8 points, going into 2024 with a lot of momentum. everyone should feel very good about where we are. >> simon rosenberg, thank you for joining us once again tonight. and, joining us now, -- bucks county pennsylvania democratic present elect. jim prokopiak and pennsylvania speaker of the house joanna clinton. speaker mcclinton, i would like to begin with you to give you

an opportunity to thank jim for keeping you in your job by preserving the majority for democrats in the house of representatives. >> representative-elect jim prokopiak, thank you. thank you for doing the are work, for being a committed public servant. he is still leaving the local school, board he was a supervisor, and he did the hard work over the last couple months to get his neighbors out on february 13th to keep the majority in pennsylvania. >> jim prokopiak, every wants to know how you did it, and what does it mean for joe biden in november in your state of pennsylvania, and in those suburbs of pennsylvania. >> thank you for having me. the first thing i will say is i think what we were able to do is really show a difference between the republicans and democrats, both in the state house, and pennsylvania, as well as nationwide. you know, under the leadership

of -- speaker mcclintock democrats in the state house -- and then pushing a pro worker, pro family, pro education, and keep that momentum moving. >> was there a single -- winning issue for you in your district? >> well, people have really -- education is huge issue in our district. funding education so that the local property owners do not have to have it through property taxes. no matter where to succeed where they are, and frankly right now there is a big fight in the state house. and people know it. >> speaker mcclinton, what would you tell president biden about what this might tell us about how to win pennsylvania in november? >> so it is very telling in the

suburbs of philadelphia, jim was able to have such a wide margin, a victory on an off day election on special election. not a regular primary day and certainly now the november. i think that what it shows is that we stand for the workers. we are the party for the folks who are -- and for the ones who need support. where the one standing on the -- two fairly full in the schools, to protect and defend democracy. when some of our colleagues -- and jim will be soon. tried to -- try to throw our votes out four years ago, president joe biden and democrats stood the line and held the line and told the truth about the election. >> and jim prokopiak, as you go forward now, in this new job, you are in because of the electoral college, one of the most important states in america, not all states are created equally with the electoral college. you are the one who can decide

presidential elections, and you consider the republicans to use the state legislature, and power the slate legislature to try to overturn presidential election in the state of pennsylvania, and other states like it. we're pennsylvania voters concerned about that at this point? or do they now believe that those kinds of issues have been solved in pennsylvania? >> i think that is actually one of the reasons we had so many people understand about defending democracy. they understand that the only way they can defend that is by coming out and voting. >> pennsylvania state representative-elect jim prokopiak and pennsylvania house speaker joanna mcclinton, who remains a speaker thanks to jim prokopiak. thank you both very much for joining us on this night after victory. night thank you. >> thank you. >> and coming up, republicans

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and we had hundreds of law enforcement there working hard today. i do want to echo what the chief said. we were running towards danger, but in a matter of seconds, someone who wants to disrupt anything, someone who wants to create any type of situation, or someone who is very simply reckless, can change not just one life or two lives, but almost two dozen. >> that was kansas city mayor quinton lucas today, at least one person is dead and 20 21 injured in a shooting at the end of a rally celebrating the kansas city chiefs super bowl win at kansas city's union station. children's mercy hospital said it is treating nine children with gunshot wounds. kansas city police have detained three people in connection with the shooting. today marks exactly six years to the day since 17 people were murdered in a mass murder at marjory stone douglas high school in parkland, florida. that mass murder was one of the reasons youngest member of congress, maxwell frost, ran

for office. >> we will continue to fight together for the 17 lives lost and for a world where people don't have to fight gun violence. i like to say patriotism is more than pierre, bald eagle, and flag. it's about loving the people in the country. i don't know about you, but when you love somebody you don't want them to get shot. >> meanwhile, the former president of the united states is very proud of doing nothing. >> during my four years, nothing happened, and there was great pressure on me having to do with guns. we did nothing. >> joining us now is the cofounder of march for our lives and cofounder of leaders

we deserve, david hogg. david, we were together a year ago on what was the fifth year to the day you survived one of these mass murderers. and you were here than because of a shooting incident like this in michigan. here we are again tonight. >> yep. i enjoy talking to you lawrence, but i wish it was a better subject and better time. unfortunately this is happening every day in america. especially disturbing to me and what has made this anniversary especially hard is that most days we don't do things on the anniversary, but this day someone who lost her sun in the -- shooting decided were to recreate his sons voice in some of the other victims of gun violence around the country, including from places uvalde, to recreate their voices were a

program call the shot line. i spent this morning on capitol hill encouraging people to call the members of congress through theshotline.org to use some of these victims of been violence voices that have been recreated to call the member of congress and say i may no longer be around to advocate for preventing gun violence. my parents recreated my voice using artificial intelligence to call you as a member of congress and say please act now. so that's how i started out this morning. unfortunately now i'm here talking to you about one of many more instances of gun violence that has happened. we've seen the failure of policies over and over again. we see time and time again that the same talking points that we just heard from police don't work. hundreds of police in uvalde turnout to be cowards with guns. hundreds of police with the kansas city chiefs celebration

was going on later today and still, nothing happened there. i even saw videos of them just kind of standing idly by because the reality is, nothing stops a bad guy with a gun like preventing them from getting it done in the first place. and while the governor, governor parson in missouri's proud to talk about being a lifetime nra member, and i'm sure thankful that he had personal security at the parade. no one else did, including the person who died and the nine others or more, it sounds like, who have been injured. >> david, there are those nine children in the hospital tonight. we can hope they survive. but if they do survive, they will live the rest of their lives with this, as you will live the rest of your life with your experience surviving one of these incidents. there are thousands of kids, presumably, who are out there, and adults, but let's just concentrate on the kids for moment. elementary school age kids who were there, who were hearing these shots, who knew that they could be killed at any moment

when they were hearing shots. they have to live with that trauma for the rest of their lives. what is it like for them? what will they be feeling five years from now, six years from now, and beyond, as you are feeling tonight? >> i think many of them will feel similar to how we felt since our perceive protective bubble that we had in parkland since it was burst. they will likely never feel truly safe ever again. and that is awful. i think, i hope that they are able to find some healing eventually in knowing that they are not alone in this work and that there are people out there like myself and thousands of others of young people, members of march for our lives, and people in the gun violence prevention movement advocating on this every single day and are not alone in this fight. that's the other thing, lawrence. we need more people to join us in this fight.

i can't solve this alone, no single person can. it's going to take a mobilization of the entire country, voting in massive numbers, to counter the nra and their deadly agenda. it's going to take people like football players speaking out. i of course appreciate when people talk about sending their condolences to parkland and it is very needed. but we need action to prevent the shootings in the first place. thoughts and prayers can be important and certain roles but reaction to prevent these shootings to begin with. until we have more cultural figures like football players speaking out more actively about preventing this, not non political people speaking out and telling people, you have to vote because your life is on the line where this won't change. if people want to help us with that, they can go to the shot theshotline.org as i mentioned earlier, to use one of these victims voices with their parents permission, that's going to recreate it, victims

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