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politicsnation. tonight's lead, for the art of the steel. right now that donald trump brand, which he's banking on for another what house when, is buckling under the added weight of a nearly health a billion dollar judgment. after his new york civil trial concluded yesterday, with the former president, has adult sons, and several of his associates effectively barred from personally running a business in new york. and trump's legal challenges are only likely to deepen as we move further into a campaign season and the republican front- runner spends more time between the trial in the courtroom. msnbc legal analyst and host

katie phang joins me shortly as we unpack an intense week of legal news for trump and for his prosecutors. plus the latest space and of national geographic's genius series. not only examines the parallel lives of dr. martin luther king junior and malcolm x, but it shines a special light on their wives, caretta scott king and dr. betty -- and i'm pleased to say the actresses who play both these mothers of the movement joined me later in the show for black history month. but we start with a very busy political week on the hill. dealing with immigration policies, border security, and that loom in front of russia's flooding may putin on american politics. let's get into it. joining me now, congressman colin all right, democrat of texas. currently running for the u.s.

senate. congressman, first, thank you for joining us tonight. and as you expect, i want to start with a judgment facing republicans later, no i'm not talking about mike johnson or mitch mcconnell, but i'm talking about donald trump, of course. who now, he's facing almost a half billion dollars in penalties and a three-year ban on leading a business here in new york. after the civil fraud case against him, his two oldest sons, and several of his associates found that they massively overvalued trump's properties. that former president says he'll appeal the decision, but in the meantime what is your reaction to the latest legal hit against that former president? >> good afternoon, right, thanks for me on. i was a voting rights lawyer,

so this isn't exactly my area of law. but i have a different experience former president with trump, which is i was on the house floor on january 6th. and i saw that mob at the doors. in fact, i thought i would have to defend my colleagues from that mob. and i have felt very strongly, hey should never come anywhere near at the presidency again. we are seeing courses play out in courts across the country, both on the civil and criminal side, i think we both agree on this. we have to make sure we protect our democracy at the ballot box this november. that's the most important and i think last and were for us to reject what we have been seeing here in our country. and to me that is also the way, regardless of the outcomes of these cases, can allow us to move out as a country and as a people. >> clearly, voting rights is a big issue with all of us and the fact that there is some voting changes in some of the state laws is of concern.

but also, i take note to have the front runner and the republican party found by a court to be guilty of fraud and heaven to spend a half billion dollars when you head up the interest is something i can take into consideration, whether they are lawyers or not. but back to congress, where you serve. and the senate which you are running for. as trump's primary lead has widened, his grip on republicans and congress has tightened. and he's openly bragged he killed the bipartisan border deal in both chambers this month. you represent our state with the longest southern border. what does it say to you that your republican colleagues suddenly a perilous interested solving its problems then in appeasing donald trump in an election year? >> that's right, that's right. i'm in mcallen texas right now.

i've been here all day. i can tell you texans need us to deliver and actually get something done. because we do have a crisis at the border. and we have that because countries like venezuela, or 6 million folks have lift -- a record number of cautions in december. waiting to respond to it. and we have partisan effort to try and do just that. it's tough but i think some fear reforms to our immigration system. it wasn't everything i want, but it had some important things and. folks like ted cruz came out against it not because of the policy but because of the politics. i haven't seen anybody pay this but before with a say, openly, i don't want to fix this problem because i want to run on it. to me, that's a new level of specimen actually have insane. and you are. right at all began, trump has enabled it, with folks like ted cruz who take their marching orders and say i don't care if it's good for my state, i'll do what somebody tells me to.

do i intakes instant what a senator like that. we want a senator who do what's best for us. >> staying with the border. a texas and the biden administration laura squared off and federal court this week in advance of the new state law would allow police to arrest that suspected of illegally crossing the border. at the core of various disputes over asylum and state and federal authority, texas contends it is necessary to stem a historic migrant surge. the administration says immigration low is strictly a federal prerogative, a federal decision is expected before march 5th when the law takes effect. what are you will thoughts on this, congressman? >> i think most first yellow students can tell you this as a federal province. and this as a federal law that has to be in control. here we have to act at the federal level. when we don't have action, we do leave a vacuum sometimes for a bed at hers like governor

abbott to step in and take steps i think are inhumane or un-american or inconsistent with our values. to make, we can have a secure border without i barbaric border. and i think as americans we understand that. we can have that conversation and figure out how to do that together. we have to have leaders who want to do it and not just have a political stunt, which is what i see far too often from republican turn texas. they're using the border as a political backdrop. my family is from the tip of texas. my grandmother was. hear this as a place where real folks live, raising their families, weren't they want us to do something to help them, not just come around and pointed problems. >> the border fight is one of the main issues shape in your senate race in texas to unseat republican ted cruz. some recent polls have shown both of you to close to call, and a prospective matchup. some even showing you in a dead

heat with him. who you have out fundraised, according to recent fec filings. and you just put out a video reminding voters that it was three years ago this weekend that crews fled to cancun, mexico, in the midst of a deadly winter storm that crippled the state. still, the last time texas sent a democrat to the senate was by appointment 41 years ago. how will you change, that congressman? >> this was about our future. not about our past. it is about the next six years for a diverse, dynamic, rapidly growing state. we need to have a center who cares about bill 14 million of us, not just himself. that's what we have with ted cruz right. now i think it's important to point out we are at the three year anniversary of ted cruz deciding it was a good idea, during a statewide crisis, when 30 million texans were freezing in the dark, to go on vacation.

not just that. he's been joking about it since then. he posts jokes and says, if it's too cold, you can join me in cancun. he thinks it's funny he abandoned us, when hundreds of texans died and thousands more were just plays we're headed your lives severely impacted. i know what i was doing at the time. i was working with fame and local agencies, trying to help folks. there is a lot a u.s. senator could have done. and that callousness and arrogance is the profit really pauses me the most. because i think folks expect their public servants, when there is a crisis, will try and help them. not that they'll go on vacation and love about it and say, how, i get your stick with me. no we're not. we can get a new senator at this election. >> i must ask. you used it on the house foreign affairs committee, so i am imagine you are watching the situation closely in florida may putin's russia. we are 340 people have been

detained since the reported death of child putin opposition leader alexei navalny. navalny, yesterday, according to the russian monitoring group ovd, 230 of those arrests happening today alone. navalny was a critic of russia's war on ukraine, which so many of virginia pick colleagues are now opposed to providing usaid. some suggesting that the u.s. may deal with putin and donald trump saying russia could do whatever they want on his watch to nato countries that don't pay up. how do you explain what seems like an increasingly putin friendly stance from the right? >> that's right. putin is a murderous thug. and i'm wondering to see how some of my colleagues have

become pro putin are going to respond to the fact pages killed his only real political rival and head him murdered. after he'd put him in jail. so this has completely inconsistent with who we are as americans, who have been. right, as you know for decades, when we stand up to strongmen and thoughts and dictators like this. they are afraid of us. not just because all of our military or the size of our economy, they are afraid of our ideals. when we lose those ideals, when we put them aside, we are more like them and we lose something fundamental to who we are as americans. i think the good news is that's not what the american people are and i know that's not where all of my republican colleagues are. my request to them it isn't up, stand up, let's have a pro democracy ever here. we are wasting up for folks struggling for their own democracy in ukraine, stand up for our own democracy here item. break free from whatever it is controlling this party right

now. and go back to his summit with the ideals that we all sheared for quite some time. yes, we had a lot of battles, but we agreed on a few basic things about democracy, about state -- standing up to strongmen and dictators. let's go back to that. and some cases, we'll have to help them to stand up debating bed outdoors like head cruise and that's what i plan on to win on november 5th. >> okay, thanks for joining. us congressman colin allred of texas. joining me now for more on the breaking news out of a trump relative draw squeak, attorney and legal analyst katie phang, host of the katie phang show here on msnbc. katie, thanks for being with us this evening. what a week. you just soul trump's civil fraud trial conclude here in new york and you watched that conclusion from atlanta, where you've been covering fani willis's disqualification hearing in georgia's election interference case against trump. we'll get to that shortly.

but we are starting here in new york, where trump will appeal yesterday's nearly half a billion dollar judgment and being barred from new york business. he has to either come up with the money or post a bond and that next month. what are your takeaways and expectations 24 hours later? >> thanks, rev. al, for having me. i appreciate it. i'll note, i started this week in fort pierce, florida, for trump's mar-a-lago case. the reason why bring this up as even though it wasn't in new york, it's about money. so you just talked about that ruling from justice engoron and the new york attorney general's civil fraud case. almost half a billion dollars. and taking, by the way. the entrance just keeps on adding on, day by day. but every time donald trump has a case, criminal or civil, it's costing him money. he has to pay for lawyers.

and so every time he gets sued, every time he suits somebody, every time he gets indicted, that dollar bill is slipping out of his wallet over and over again. so donald trump's opportunities to appeal, they accessed by right. you have that right, and the opportunity, to appeal a judgment or a verdict. but the problem for donald trump's he couldn't even find somebody to assist him to post a bond in the first e. jean carroll, verdict, that was about $5 million. what happened was he was trying to use other money that his own personal funds. that's the reason why he wasn't able to get a bond component was the bond. now remember, e. jean carroll just had her multi million dollar vote against a few weeks ago as well. he still hasn't paid with the bond for that one yet. >> that 83 million, is that right? >> that is correct. and it 83 million plus interest. that's the point. every time he's racking up

these verdicts and his judgments, and these rulings, it's definitely edging onto the dollars he has to pay. not to mention the fact that lasalle james was very smart. donald trump is a businessman. often put that in quotes because he front of himself as being a skilled businessman. but as we saw, he's a fraudulent businessman. and eventually the house of cards falls down. but letitia james was really smart. she not only solved the disgorgement of ill gotten gains, but she also sought something called injunctive relief. she sought what justice engoron writes in her. up the inability for trump, his sons, and other people that were a part of that business, entities he was running or owning, they cannot serve as directors and officers invested of new york for a period of three years. of course, we would have loved to have seen longer within three years. but remember, walked it i say at the beginning of this competition with you? it's about the money. being a director and an officer is not some level can for the people in the trump family. it's about the grift.

and the growth comes through serving as a director and officer because they're making money doing that as well. >> and i'm from brooklyn, new york. and we learned a long time ago, touchi ms. is very smart. she is from brooklyn. move on to atlanta. where it was day two yesterday at fulton county's hearing over misconduct allegations and pets district attorney fani willis and the special prosecutor she appointed to the trump election interference case. trump lawyers have accused willis of benefiting from personal relationship with a prosecutor, nathan wade. and in a rare move, both willis and her father testified this week in defense of her conduct. same as before, katie, what are your takeaways and your expectations for the future of willis's r.i.c.o. case against trump and his associates in georgia? >> this was a sideshow. this was a circus sideshow that

was unnecessary. it was a personal opposition research stout moved by defendant michael roman, because that's what he's on a number of decades for the gop. his specialty is up research. he elected trying to dig up dirt. and i emphasize, tripods in this instance, he thought he was going to sling mud and it was going to stick. however, d.a. fani willis, as you see right now on the screen, took the stand. she didn't have. two she had been subpoenaed. there was an objection. and it looked like the judge in this case was not going to for her to testify. but she withdrew that objection. she says i wave that objection, she wanted to be able to explain why the lies, the new, into that salacious rumors, or only damaging her professional credibility and reputation with zero proof and evidence to support the claims from the defense. at the conclusion of the evidence is today, the judge announced he'd be hearing oral arguments closing arguments, if you will, in about a week and maybe some. change but because it's an

evidentiary hearing, you have to have exactly that evidence. and the defense only put up a former disgruntled employee of the fulton county d.a.'s office who was forced to leave her job because of subpar performance and she's the only one who ever said that fani willis and nathan wade hit a personalist chip that began before he was appointed special prosecutor. but fani willis and nathan wade under oath said they're relationship again afterwards. putting aside the personal relationship, the money. did fani willis have a personal, financial benefit from nathan wade's appointment? the answer is. no not only to we hear from fani willis when she said she didn't intimate apparel pills, and she always gave money to nathan wade for her share of any type of vacations or other type of personal things, but her father took the stand. her father said he raised his daughter to note she needed to have financial independence in the form of cash. always have cash to take care

of yourself, is what john floyd iii said undergrowth. i would note, on a personal level, what pains me the most about listening to mr. floyd testify was the fact that i bet you that he never thought that over the decades of time that he would have to take the stand, and recount the stories of the fact his daughter couldn't live in the home that she bought with her hard earned money, because there were threats of violence outside the home, there were racial epithets, the n-word being screened, we are on the home and other terrible things being written, that man, john floyd iii, he talked about how his credit cards were not accepted because he was. black that really struck me. right? the fact he had to use cash. that's what he told his daughter, you better have cash, fani, because that's sometimes going to make a difference. >> you -- i watched. he had a very moving testimony. i think the thing that struck me, the evidence, not one

person that came on that stand, and the evidence brought before the court that said where was this benefit to her. woman makes over $200,000 a year. it could afford vacations. but i think what was also striking to me was when former governor of the state of georgia, barnes, she offered him a job. others have been offered the job. so when did this conspiracy? start this district attorney went through to a grand juries, a two-year investigation. why was she trying to do that if she was trying to make a deal with someone she was dating? you could say a judgment is right or wrong, but it ain't coming in my opinion near proven what they had. alleged katie phang, thanks for being with me. up next, ron desantis gets a rude awakening as he returned to his day job as governor of florida. i'll explain why in this week's gotcha. stay tuned, you're watching politicsnation. ed, you're watc politicsnation.

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>> you have some people that just think, honestly, think a lot of these books are pet even though they're classics. i outdoors that are doing it draft to try to create an era to, to try to act, like, oh my gosh, these books are under a few. this is all theater, this is a performative. and it really has no place in our school system. so today, i'm proud to be able to direct the department of education to take appropriate action to deal with some of the bad actors who are intentionally depriving students of rifle education by politicizing this process. >> it seems desantis can only recognize politically motivated territory when it's turned against him. but in my capacity as head of national action network, i was and tallahassee around this time last year, saying what i have been warning the governor for years. that going after children's books, black history, and

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welcome back to politicsnation. let's bring in our political panel, carlos curbelo, former republican congressman of florida, and alicia johnson, democratic strategist and former senior advisor for biden 2020 campaign. carlos, let's start with that nearly half a billion dollar ruling against donald trump in his new york fraud case yesterday. the former president cold rolling a sham, and plans to appeal. and as usual, the campaign is fundraising on that decision. the settlement is massive. we have seen roland's go against trump and these cases before. does it change politically

anything for the former president, in your opinion? >> rev, probably in this primary process the republicans are going through, it doesn't change much. we have seen donald trump jump from controversy to controversy, indictments, scandals, and a republican primary voters seems to continue rewarding him. nikki haley has a pick up attorney now in her home state. i'm sure she's going to continue reminding the primary voters and that state that donald trump is not an ideal general election candidate. he's someone who has a lot of legal issues and now, right, because of this rolling, and a previous one, he's probably someone who has a lot of financial issues. he's gonna have trouble making some of these payments, right? this is not the kind of candidate you want going into a big election. but this is the kind of candidate that at least up to not most republican primary voters seem to want. so >> alecia, part of his brand,

in 2020, with you involved in the campaign, was he was a savvy businessman who had been president. now donald trump is facing criminal charges in georgia for alleged 2020 election interference. but it was about lead prosecutor in the case who took to the stand this week to fight a motion to disqualify her over and alleged affair with a special prosecutor she hired killer the case. in many ways, these proceedings seemed more about trying to embarrass that dna than any really wrongdoing related to the case against trump. how did the day april forum on the stand in your opinion, alecia? >> listen, i think as a black woman, and position she's, and she's had a lot of practice of heaven to unfortunately defend herself. she did a phenomenal job and

broke it back to the real issue at hand, she's not on trial, matter effect, it's donald trump and his cronies on trial for indifferent with an election. there was also a history lesson here, a cold front lesson here, rev, which you can appreciate. have been this conversation around cash and what at mains for black people to have cash in their. home there is also something i don't think is getting much attention. the testimony from people who denied their desire to be the special prosecutor. leaving that a with her only opportunity to have a special prosecutor because so many people were concerned for the lives. i think she did a good job in this was just another delay and destruction from the trump campaign to make sure he is not on trial in the election, as we know, that takes away from republicans. >> i think it was important. many people, as i said before, in this show, turned down being

special counsel in this, including the former governor of the state, governor burns, saying hey knew he would be subject to threats. it's not like she just went and hired someone she was having this affair with. and even, then there was no evidence given that there was some kind of benefit to her, financially. but, carlos, donald trump has been noticeably silent since it was reported yesterday that russian opposition leader alexei navalny died in person. this comes days after trump made comments at a rally in south carolina suggesting he would allow russia to attack nato allies hey concerted delinquents. meanwhile, the senate passed a 95 billion dollar aid package to u.s. allies, ukraine and israel. but the photos this same bill remains uncertain and a gop led

house. do you think navalny's death will have any impacts either on funding for the ukraine war efforts or the nato debate on the campaign trail? >> rev, i'm optimistic that the house will eventually act to pass funding for both ukraine, israel, and also for taiwan. they are at least 300 members of the house who favor supporting ukraine. there is a group of maga republicans and the house, obviously, who only followed donald trump's orders or are trying to block the house from acting. but centrist republicans have already come together with democrats to file a discharge petition, which is a mechanism that would force legislation to go to the floor, would circumvent the speaker and the house rules committee. this vote is going to happen. and i'm confident that when it happens, it will pass.

that question is how long will the instruction -- obstructionists keep it from getting to the floor and how much involved a speaker johnson willing to play with members for the majority makers? the centrist republicans who actually need these votes in order to have a chance to get reelected and maybe help republicans keep a majority in the. house >> alencia, the campaign of donald trump is trying to pour cold water in a store in the new york times this week, claiming trump providence supports a 16-week federal abortion ban if he's reelected. a source tells nbc news trump has not settled on federal restrictions. but another story out this weekend says some trump allies are already working on planes to further limit abortions using the courts in a second trump administration, including by and evoking and obscure 19th

century law called the comstock act. as the former director of public engagement for planned parenthood, how worried are you about the second trump administration? >> listen, i'm extremely worried. when i was at planned parenthood between 2013 and 2019, we constantly talked about how the next election, the next republican president was going to do exactly what donald trump did and that is a point justices that would overturn roe v. wade. the thing about the new york titicle that i really want you are the words to read is the fact that these antiabortion percenters who've been doing the work for decades, they don't care, donald trump, or whoever -- they understand that they've had -- whatever donald trump decided to do, they can also go, and the department of health and human services, the doj, all of these agencies and

tried to restrict abortion rights. that's why so many groups like my former job, planned parenthood, colleagues over there, as well as aclu, the list goes on and on and on, are ringing the alarm bells about how dangerous the next trump presidency can be. also what he says, because of the people around him. the last thing i'll say on this, really quickly, there is a race in the biden harris campaign has leaned in on this issue, that day they announced their reelection campaign in april. because this is going to be the issue. mark my words, that gets democrats over the line this year. >> carlos curbelo ands alencia johnson, thank you both for being with us this evening. coming up, a new television series explore the lives of greater scott king and doctorate betty chavez. america's original mothers of the movement. there are trials, tribulations, and triumphs as civil rights icons. that's up next. icons.

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dog or i was going. [laughter] >> i was scared. >> i was scared, too. >> the latest season of national geographic's genius series not only examines the public and private lives of that reverend dr. martin luther king junior and malcolm x, but it also shines a much deserved light on the legacies of their wives, coretta scott king and doctor betty shabazz, who were both activists in their own right. continuing to push the movement long after her husbands were gone. joining me now, ladies all of genius, mlk/x, weruche opia who

plays coretta scott king and jayme lawson who plays dr. betty shabazz. ladies, forrest, thank you for joining us. i want to start by focusing specifically on the woman you depict. because i've had the honor of knowing both of them. here at this event, sometime in the late 90s, they were incredibly formidable people, mothers of the movement, along with marley edwards, who we talked about on the show last week. i knew them and i knew them as a woman -- i got to work very closely with mrs. king because of my relationship with martin the third. and betty shabazz was like godmother of my two daughters. they carried on. and personally their husbands legacies. while continuing to carve out their own. opia, how do you spry --

describe the specific pressures these women faced as wives and widows? >> i can't begin to think of how hard the pressure was for them. they were the supporters, the main woman who were there to support these men, who we know have done an incredible work. and i think one thing about betty ands coretta was they had similar experiences. they had to hold down the home for weeks while their husbands were out, fighting against injustice. i'm sure they were worried about their husbands coming home every night, whether they were safe, and all those things. so i think the pressure was definitely a lot. but that's why they were extremely strong women. they were capable of holding everything down, holden and the hope, supporting your husband, and still kept going while their husbands were fighting for the greater good. for all of us, really. but i think that both had that experience in their separate lives, but again, it's wonderful how it reflected each

other's lives at the same time. >> i want to play another clip from the series. this one giving some insight on the dynamics, the romance between malcolm and betty shabazz. doctor betty shabazz. roll the clip, please. >> well, well. it isn't you again. why do i get the feeling you're following me, sister betty? >> you would so lucky, minister. i'm not mistaken, this trip was designated for everyone at our temple, including may and my fellow sisters. >> that's true. your fellow sisters are over fear and yet you are over here, near me. >> i simply wanted to see god. you just happened to be here.

miss lawson, haven't played who was then cold sister betty, later doctor shabazz, how would you characterize the roles these women played in their husbands work? >> they were very instrumental,? right these were women who had a very strong idea and opinion on how to best help the movement. that they are men relating. i know for dr. petty, it was very important for her, getting his foot out to as many people as possible. she carried a lot about surface education or helping young mothers. right? so she was all about how to

really get in touch with the people and get his words to, not just on a podium, but get in the homes of everyone. >> miss opia, speaking as a black, british address, what credit to these women deserve when we discuss that black freedom struggle globally? >> all the credit. it's wonderful that we know about them, but often think we can ever be more grateful for what they've done. again, the impact their lives have made. it goes beyond the boundaries of the united states, it represents all black people, all black women all over the world. i think we need to continue giving them credit. the woman especially. i think, a little the times, woman, we tend to overlook women's contributions. and i love the show because it holiday been more. i think we need to give him all the critics, even more, as much credit as possible. >> how much did you know about her? did you know about her, i'm

talking about -- both of the women. >> i did have knowledge coretta of scott king that this opportunity gave me, this project gave me opportunities to go deeper. i didn't know she was an opera singer. i knew she was an activist, very involved in the movement. i knew she was very passionate about injustice and social justice. but i didn't know she was an opera singer and where she was from, initially. when she had her vows rewritten. i didn't know just how strong a woman she was. i knew her impact, but i didn't realize how impactful she had been to the movement, to her husband, and to the world. >> jayme, one of the things that this series does is show that despite the technical differences between dr. king and malcolm x, who only met once, there were two sides of the same coin. and eventually relationships

would grow between that woman that more and then. with black history month in our minds, now, what are you will authorities when you say these two women came together? and i witnessed at many times. they met a lot more than once and they seemed to have an appreciation for, despite the technical differences they may have had, and their husbands may have had, they kind of brought unity together to at least say but let us if we disagree, not be disagreeable? >> i think that's a testament to have their husbands been permitted to live a long life, the ways in which they would have come together in unison. i don't think that's just unique to doctor betty and coretta, i think that speaks to the sentiment that would have been sharp with dr. martin luther king and with malcolm x. they recognize they had different audiences, they had a similar goal which was to give

back dignity, respect, and honor to their people that this country was not offering them. and so i think the fact that the woman came together in such a way to continue delicacies, and like you, stepmother a movement, it just speaks volumes to the kind of character even the man had themselves. >> and i think that we should never underestimate both of these woman had to go forward, not only and continue the movement, which both of them did in their own ways, and sometimes come together at events in situations, but they had to raise the children they had from their marriages. and they were not only -- at always amazed me, when i was around either of them, they always worry very, very careful to be good mothers as well as the mother the movement. and that is an awesome task. and i don't know anyone in

history, that i've read about or known, that was bed -- better at it than doctor betty shabazz and mrs. coretta weruche opia and jayme lawson, thank you both for playing these roles and for being on the show this evening. thank you very much. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. stay with us. . and locking it right on in! you feel no wetness. - oh my gosh! - totally absorbed! i got to get some always discreet! at bombas, we're obsessed with comfort. softness. quality. because your basic things should be your best things. one purchased equals one donated. visit bombas.com and get 20% off your first order.

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york, i am very aware of donald trump much of my life, we thought -- we pick it, it we marchand. and at times, we tried to be friendly and say he was a democrat. but i know from growing up in new york, his brand was that he was the savvy businessman, he was the great gatsby in real life. so the verdict that has come down on he and his businesses is a serious blow. and really, a death blow to his brand. because there will be no one now bragging about him going to stay at a trump hotel, or going to play at a trump golf course. the name trump has lost the magic that he spent years building. but he built it on quick sand, and it was only a matter of time that it would sink. you can't fool some of the people some of the time. all of the time, you can't fool

all of the people some of the time. or however the expression goes, you can't fool all the people all the time, is the conclusion. and i think his fooling ran out in court, in manhattan this week. it is ironic to me, as we enter the show talking about caretta scott king and dr. betty shabazz, two black women prosecutors, tough, and smart. letitia james and in florida, fani willis, that are part of bringing the truth to light. you can try and smear the, mr. trump, but at the end, only evidence counts in a court of law. that does it for me, thanks for watching, i'll see you back here tomorrow at five pm eastern, for another live hour of politicsnation. the saturday show with jonathan capehart starts right now. jon capehart starts right now.