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ayman. tonight, that breweries acre and bank account of donald j trump. order to pay 450 million bucks and banned from doing business and his native new york. how is he going to pedophile? also a ton of drama going down and georgia. but through the eyes of the law, what are we actually looking at here? could d.a. fani willis they disqualified from prosecuting donald trump? and overseas, israel is hell- bent on and biden rafah, saying it is giving innocent people time to flee. the obvious problem, there is nowhere for them to go. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's do it. do it. for decades, now, the trump name has been synonymous with real estate in new york. since donald trump's grandfather bag and buying up land over 100 years ago, the family has run their now global real estate empire right out of

the city. however, following the historic ruling from new york supreme court judge arthur engoron yesterday, that will soon change. on friday, judge engoron handed down his decision and trump's civil fraud trial ordering the ex president to pay over $450 million dollars for his company. trump organization's deceptive financial practices. that judgment include over but $350 million in penalties, plus an additional almost $100 million and interest alone. interest that will continue to grow until trump is. up the former president eldest sons were also hit with fines, don junior and eric both executives and the family business have been ordered to pay $4 million. age and fraud as decision had trump into places that could really hurt him the most. his wallet, which we all know about, and his ego, which we all see. trump is now barred from personally running any company in new york for a total of three years, his sons were hit

with two-year bans. judge engoron also ordered the apartment of two overseers, monitor and an independent director of compliance to watch out for the company. so the parable ensure the trump organization adheres to its financial reporting obligations. and other words, while trump will remain the owner of his company, neither he nor his sons will actually have any control over their namesake empire. now trump organization his forearms the center of the ex presidents public persona, helping him craft the successful businessman image that essentially voted him both into reality temple of asian stardom which then led to the white house. but look, don't take my word for it. here is what the ex president had to say during a videotaped deposition in this case just last year, directly attributing his political success was because of his name and persona. >> probably my most valuable asset i didn't include on your

statement, that's the brains. i became president because of the brand. okay? i became president. i think it's the hottest brand in the world. >> the hottest brand in the world. now, though, however, donald trump's as he begins to either second slip at the white house, that brand has taken a rather big. get as sidney blumenthal wrote and a new piece for the guardian, the trump brand once synonymous with real estate in new york is now, quote, adjudicated to be synonymous with fraud and failure. let's kick off this hour with david cay johnston, professor and distinguished visiting lecturer at the college of law and founder of d.c. report to, also the author of the book, the victory, count on trump fleeced america and enriched himself and his family. renato mariotti, former federal prosecutor and legal affairs columnist at politico. and carol lam, also a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. great to have you here.

renato, i'll start with you. your top line reaction both to that number and the impact it could have on the ex presidents finances, and, as we said, his public persona? >> it is paid by any measure. donald trump has tried to downplay his legal problems, try to schlub them off, suggests he's incredibly wealthy. the fact of the matter is, if any company was hit with that judgment, it would be very, very significant. and i really think the number, ayman, is not really the main event when it comes to the penalties served. all the penalties and included, all the measures of the judge ordered, that constrain trump's business, are so significant. having independent compliance person. having a monitor. restricting his ability, and his family's ability, to control the company for a period of time. in the business world, you have

to be nimble, particularly after trying to sell real estate, in order to satisfy a judgment. and now they're not going to be as nimble because they have all these restrictions. so i just think it's absolutely devastating for business, and, really, the fact that this trial has not had more attention paid to it, compared to some of the others, purely is just because donald trump is facing such emails legal problems on set many different fronts. >> the immense legal problems that renato is talking about, carol, they also include the judgments and e. jean the carroll defamation case. and when you look at that, that means trump is really on the hook for more than half a billion dollars in total. what are the negatives here? can former president delay this payment during the appeal process inevitably? >> he can delay the payment of the full amount, but only if he's able to post the bond. that bond is probably going to end up for acquiring at least

ten to 20% of the amount of money that was imposed by judge engoron. that means he has to go to some kind of surety, some kind of bondsman and put down some cash and then he's going to have to put up sufficient collateral, probably in the form of his real estate to secure the rest of the money. so should he flee or go into default and not be able to pay the entire amount of the judgment, then the bondsman is on the hope for it. so the bondsman is going to want to have some security for that as well. that gets into some very, very difficult situations for donald trump. because as renato was pointing out, not only is he -- does he have dispute judgment against him now, as well as the e. jean carroll judgment, he's also not allowed to get loans from banks that are registered or chartered in new york state. so where he's going to get the money? from he will probably have to put some of his assets up for

sale. and most buyers are going to recognize it's a bit of a fire sales or he may not even get the amount he could get on the market, in our regular situation. >> david, as i mentioned, along with that fine, judge engoron has ordered the apartment of monitor as well as an independent director of compliance to watch over the company. then get to the second part of what i was talking about. not just the money tell you about the ego, but decision has obviously had trump's ego. you probably know it better than most. the idea he's no longer really and control of the company that bears his name. and the company that was basically passed down to him from his grandfather, from his father and grandfather. something that was started over 100 years ago. >> donald, except for a brief period around 1990, when the bankers took control somewhat of his operations, because he couldn't pay them back, has never had to be accountable to

anything. and this is going to be very difficult for him. the monitors powers were increased because contrary to court order, donald trump had money moved without telling the monitor and in ways the monitor says were improper. now no money can be moved without the monitors authority. they can pay ordinary bills, salaries to people, vendors who deliver food to restaurants. but no significant money movement without the advanced approval of the monitor. and the independent compliance director, for all practical purposes, we'll be on the executive level running the company because nothing will happen without the approval and oversight of these two parties, particularly the independent director. >> renato, perhaps the only bright spot for trump here, if there is, one is that his namesake company was actually spirit from what some have cold

the corporate death penalty. the so-called contamination office just responses. last year there was judge engoron threatening a little bit too close part of trump's business by proposing there to solution. that didn't happen. what do you make of it? why do you think the judge backed off that suggestion and his final rolling, that he's not colin for the dissolution of the company? >> the judge knows those cases going up on appeal. in fact, he's already had a deal with the appellate courts, when he was trying to make sure that guy colder stayed in place. and so he knew this was something that was going to be reviewed. and when you look at the imposition of what you are calling a corporate death penalty, it has usually been imposed when there is a significant harm to victims. it just did not fit the facts here. i think the judge knew that was a little bit of a stretch and did not want to go any further than was necessary and put his ruling in jeopardy.

because trump is somebody who, even if, let's say, the corporate death penalty was imposed, in addition to all this other stuff, and the court of appeals overturned that one tiny part of the ruling, that would be the focus, it would end up taking away from that judges ruling. he's got to do what the law requires. >> to that point, carol, maybe this is another way of rephrasing it, but is there any way donald trump continues to confess -- effectively control and operate this company, or in any other way business as usual? >> no, and that was the judge's intent. here by having barr parchment with a monitor and with the additional acquirement of and independents compliance officer, this is something that corporations like to avoid. because it means that every decision is scrutinized by somebody who doesn't represent the corporation in the sense of wanting to maximize their profits or maximize that money

that's flowing to the owners of the corporation, whether it be a public or a private corporation it means -- it means there is no job is to make sure that the company is abiding by laws and regulations. and she is going to report to the court compliance with the rules and regulations of the laws that oversee companies like the trump organization. so this is, to donald trump, basically taking the trump organization out of his hands, out of his son's hands, out of his family's hands, and putting it into the hands of people who report to the court and have no fealty or loyalty whatsoever to don't trump. that is the judges aim here and he's going to accomplish it. >> david, you heard in the setup there, when we replaying it, the deposition where trump talks about how his brain is basically his most valuable asset, it's what got him to the presidency. and i want you to talk about that for a moment. what does this decision due to that brand, and the question i

think everybody wants to know, despite the fact it has not affected his political future, coat this, now, have any impact on his political future? that he is seen as a fraud? >> first of all, his brand, which was very valuable, has been severely tarnished in the last nine years. his name has been taken off a number of buildings by other people, like the trump soho hotel. and he has lost all sorts of business because of his behavior, but being who he is. secondly, he faces a really severe problem in addition to trying to raise for money, by selling assets, as long as he does have, although we haven't seen the actual documents, probably won't or cold cross collateralized mission requirements. if you default on something, if you are subject to certain judicial rulings, if you don't have a certain level of cash in your accounts, you are in

default. the lenders can come after you. they may or may not do that. and he can't borrow from any significant bank in the u.s. which means he's gonna have to people like saudi arabians, russian oligarchs, perhaps some wealthy american oligarch in order to raise money to make these demands. the other issue you have asked about, you know, august 8th, 1974, almost 50 years ago, three people and congress went to nixon and said you have to leave. no republican seems to have the courage to tell richard nixon -- to tell donald trump, back out. >> that's a very important point. there is gonna be no political pressure from within his party, so obviously he'll keep doing as he does. but david cay johnston, always a pleasure, great to see you. renato, carol, please stick around -- we'll talk about the case against trump and georgia and what happens if, and that is a big, if fulton county district attorney fani willis it is disqualified from prosecuting donald trump. donal

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and important question emerged of week. what happens district attorney if fani willis it is disqualified from prosecuting donald trump in fulton county, georgia. this week, you would think it was willis herself on trial when she took the stand to defend herself against allegations of misconduct. over a from a relationship with a special prosecutor on the trump case, nathan wade. the burden of proof needed is high to toss willis and her team off the case. but if that somehow happens, logbook comes all the election interference case that has been built against donald trump? is it delayed or dropped altogether? both willis's critics and supporters can't agree the relationship was likely a mistake but it does not take away from the evidence willis and her team have on donald trump and a distinction that date a made clear from the witness stand. >> you are confused.

you think i'm on trial. these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. i'm not on trial, no matter how hard you try to put me on trial. >> okay, renato mariotti ands carol lam or back with. us renato, trump and his allies are trying to argue this week's hearing showed willis should not only be removed from the georgia case but the investigation should be dismissed altogether. evaluate that for us. how strong is that argument, even if something happens to her, because the case simply go away? >> the case does not go away. it is not that simple. first of all, if something did happen and she was recused from the case, which is every high bar, i really don't think we've met that burden here, but even if that happens, what would happen isn't another office, another day a and d.a.'s office would be appointed to take over the case. the concern, i think, is that as a practical matter, that could mean the case essentially goes away because it would very

significantly delay the case -- and it's also fair to say that there is a lot of district attorneys in georgia who would not want to vigorously pursue a case against donald trump. so this is really, potentially we -- but the case doesn't go away and it is very, very unlikely, to put it mildly, that the case would be dismissed. recusal is more likely but even that burden is -- >> carol, the defense and this needs to prove willis that's former relationship with nathan wade some have presented a conflict of interest. that she financially benefited from having him on the case. we'll get through that arguments. how effective have they been improving this? >> right, well, ayman, this whole hearing and the outcome of this hearing is all about the burden of proof. because it is the defendants in

the january 6th selection interference prosecution who have brought this motion to recuse fani willis. they burned the burden of proof of proving less on this case. and what has happened here is that perhaps got over the first hurdle because they had some credit card receipts showing mr. wade had actually paid for vacations that he and fani willis went on. that perhaps got them the hearing. but what happened at the hearing was they produced that evidence that there had been some money that he had been paid by the state that then went to purchase vacations for himself and ms. willis. therefore potentially creating possibly a conflict of interest or some sort of ethical violation. but then both he and she, and to some extent her father, took the stand and said, no, black women keep a lot of cash around because often they can't get things paid for by critic charge, because they're black.

there is a racial element to this. and so she claimed, and mr. wade confirmed, she repaid him in cash. not an ideal situation, perhaps, for mr. wade and miss willis, but there is really no evidence to counteract that. so for the judge to find that she actually benefited, some, help hiring mr. wade to pay the special prosecutor in this case, she would have to make a finding that both he and she were not telling the truth on the stand and evaluate their credibility that way. that seems somewhat unlikely in this case. >> speaking of her father, let me play for both of you this harrowing account of willis's father, john flood, who testified yesterday about the threats his daughter has been facing. watch. >> there have been so many death threats, and they said they were going to blow up the house, killed her, kill me. there were gonna kill my grandchildren.

i mean, on, and on, and on. it just became -- i was concerned for her safety. >> he's our renowned lawyer and has a right, renato, give me your thoughts on that and these threats. there are not new but when you heard some time and time again, certainly on a witness stand, somebody prosecuting donald trump, it does kind of just give you a moment of pause about where we are as a country. >> yeah, look, i will just say i do not understand what it was like. when i was a federal prosecutor, my office threatened many times. i was in protective custody. for a period of time. the deputy u.s. marshals. it is very, very scary when you are fighting for your insights, deep when your friends for your family safety. it is a life-changing experience. at least it was for me. i can understand the impact it's having on her. this is absolutely immense, the pressure she's under. obviously, like you said before, didn't make perhaps the best choices here.

but ultimately, i think you could not get out of watching that hearing without feeling some sympathy for fani willis and her entire family. >> carol, a final word to you. we can't overstate how important this case is compared to the other ones, because unlike the other cases, trump and this one can't pardon himself for this, even if he is really elected president. what is the damage that could happen if, in fact, fani willis is removed or the case is dismissed? >> i think this is a little bit hard to tell, exactly, what will happen here. it is a somewhat unprecedented situation. in the past where there's been, for example, she had to recuse herself from the investigation of mr. jones because she had sponsored a fund-raiser for his opponent. but that was during the investigation. and that investigation has gone nowhere, in fact, it hasn't

even been assigned to another prosecutor. this is an indicted case. we don't really know what the parameters of the recusal of the entire day's office would be. i don't know that it's clear whether, for example, mr. wade, who is not an employee, per se, of that d.a.'s office, could he continue to work in the case? could another d.a.'s office simply to out and hire for parties to prosecute the case because it is already indicted, there is some momentum going through now. there are court deadlines that have to be dealt with. it doesn't necessarily mean it would grind to a halt but it is important to remember that there were already a number of speed limit signs build and to this prosecution. that number of defendants and that way the slope manner in which pursuit means that it was likely not going to get tried by the election in any event. >> okay, but renato mariotti

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to pick winds this week for democrats. in new york, thomas was people less pressure election to replace republican congressman, the disgraced georgia sent us. the other contests and pennsylvania is the one we need to drill down on tonight. democrat jim prokopiak bait republican canda cabanas -- while protests, here in his victory cement democrats hold on it's razor-thin majority in the state house, which has a huge deal for two very important reasons. one, it keeps maga republicans from control the next election. and two, it gives democrats a preview at growth a stand with

american voters. in pennsylvania and beyond. because prokopiak didn't just one, he took about a staggering 35 point margin. pennsylvania state representative elect jim prokopiak is with us now. sir, congratulations on your race and thank you so much for joining us. this was an important race. the balance of power in pennsylvania, in the state house, has been on the line now four times in a single year. that's quite a lot. what does it mean for your party to be holding this majority in the pennsylvania state house? >> thank you for having me. this race wasn't just about may. it was about the whole democratic agenda that speaker mcclendon has been funding for for the last year. about pushing forth and agenda, that fully fund education, protects women's reproductive rights, fight for a livable wage in pennsylvania. it's a big deal for working families. >> let's ask about those goals. you said one of the big fight and that's that house right as funding education.

in addition to that, give me some of your top priorities and your top goes heading into office? >> one of the things we need to do, and it's been recognized by the commonwealth court here in pennsylvania, the state has not done its job in fully funding education and the state. that has led to local taxpayers have been to foot the bill for profit to texas and funding education. we need to do more for architect the best chance and success in life. >> one of the concerns that maga republicans, that people have had about mac republicans and pennsylvania is that gotten increasingly extreme. not just for the candidates before the put, fork but the winds were actually in the party now. they have been recently pushing to change election rules. talk to this for its -- how do you punt push back against his efforts to protect election integrity, which will be a central issue going and the 2024? >> absolutely, especially here in bucks county, as one county, and pennsylvania as a swing state.

the biggest them where to, enforceable, is making sure people come out and vote in november. i think one of the reasons why we had such a large factory was because people understood that voting integrity is on the line here. not just here in pennsylvania, but all across the country. so i think voters are well aware that way into fight and come out and vote or else somewhat my take away that right. >> if you had to send a message to the broader democratic party, because obviously people will be looking at your race and other forces across this country, the special races, as bellwether races, to get what's coming down the pipeline in 2020 fall, what's your message to pandemocrats and including president biden and regards to how that campaign, how they engage, held a win over specifically pennsylvania voters, which is going to be one of the most important states and the 2020 fall race? what do you think he needs to prioritize? >> i can talk about what we are focused, on which is really

economic issues. help, in talking about working class families and the struggles we're facing right now. and how we want to help. that hail we're looking to focus on making sure they can pay their bills, how is your kid to get a good quality education, and also talking about the riots on the line here. the simple fact is, while it may not be the most important issue in voters minds, it's a very important issue in migration and districts. the continued protection of women's reproductive rights from pennsylvania. so i think an economic message, compliant with common sense solutions, to problems that working families face and struggle with, as well as protecting their rights here in pennsylvania about reproductive rights and voting rights will be a winning issue. >> it's gonna be a very close race to watch on all these issues. pennsylvania state representative elects jim prokopiak, thanks for your time.

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international community sounding the alarm about israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's plan military invasion of rafah. even israel's on allies, including britain and the u.s. have raised their concerns and warnings about. it you and a chief martin grove of has said that in military operation could lead to slaughter. that's because rafah, the southernmost part of gaza, which is bold right by egypt, is tightly packed in with 1.4 million palestinian civilians after months of following israel's orders to move further

and further south. more than half of gaza's population has been taking shelter there in metro tents. netanyahu said his army will undertake powerful action once civilians have been allowed to flee. but where exactly are the palestinians supposed to go? israel's bombing campaign has left entire neighborhoods flat into the ground. hundreds of thousands of people have been left to starve without clean drinking water. hospitals left and pretty and completely destroyed. palestinians have been displaced multiple times over the last four months and still some fearing another attack on rafah actually moved back up to central gaza this week in hopes they can survive. but today, a new round of strikes killed more than 40 people in this area, including children. israel has already begun striking rafah. we are all tuning into this bubble last weekend, captivated by celebrity appearances and commercials, horrors unfolded on the other side of the world. israel's bombing campaign

killed at least 67 people, according to the palestine health ministry. they say they can do this with strikes in order to provide a cover for the two israeli hostages that they managed to rescue. that is the israeli military. but as for the seven year old of come all such a described, it was a not full of horror, strikes, death and destruction. some of these scenes horrific to see. perfection and stories being answered on social media almost immediately following those strikes. such as this one. a seven year old such a houston who was sheltering with her family instead of building. her lifeless body was left hanging mutilated on this up the building. a seven year old girl hanging on the side of a building. she was the cousin of the palestinian ambassador to the uk's wife. her family, including her twin sister, suzanne, and 15 month old brother were also killed. in a coal pot, big president

bottom top netanyahu he should not move for the military operation without presenting a credible plan for ensuring civilian safety. but earlier this week, three anonymous u.s. officials told politico the biden administration is not planning to punish israel if they do not protect civilians. in fact, here is how a national security spokesperson john kirby responded when he was asked about the hasse civilian death toll by a report this week. >> as i said, we have seen them take actions. sometimes actions that even i'm not sure our military would take in terms of informing civilian populations ahead of operations. we are to go or not to go. >> it is a striking statement. and what a preserve thing for an american spokes person to say. effectively that is really forces are taking actions that even our own military would not take to save innocent lives. but again, look, rafah was deemed a safe zone by israeli forces before.

and there is now nowhere left for people and gaza. go literally. despite any such warnings to evacuate. and while biden administration officials say they're concerned about the first death toll in gaza, that reality on the ground as the killings and death of palestinians continue every single day with endless supplies of american weapons. at least five patients have died during israel's right on the medical complex this thursday, where israeli forces still remain. it was the last major functioning medical facility in southern gaza. palestinian health authorities said the deaths were caused by a lack of oxygen and power outages during the raid. doctors displaced civilians and critically ill patients were forced evacuated, although some patients were left behind because they were simply too weak to move. and as the situation grows dire by each passing day, lawmakers on capitol hill are deciding whether to sign another multibillion delay package to israel, ukraine, and other u.s. allies. the bill passed by a 70 to 29

vote in the senate on tuesday with three senate democratic caucus members opposing it, believe it or not, because of israel's military actions in gaza. house speaker mike johnson said he's in no rush to bring that bill to the floor for a vote because of its lack of u.s. border security provisions. the path -- package includes 14.1 billion dollars for israel, nine point 15 billion dollars in humanitarian assistance for acosta and the west bank. we should note this week the world health organization accused israel of a painting eight into the strip. and fact, yesterday, israel held up one of the aid trucks near nassar hospital for hours. during a press conference in washington, the white house national security adviser jake sullivan said israel is preventing flower from getting in. saying the expect them to follow through on its commitment. this comes after reports israel's ultra nationalist

finance minister is blocking the flower from actually getting through to gaza strip. lawmakers are debating a bill that will continue to arm israel and its campaign against gaza. civilians and rafah are attentively, fearing another attack. hospitals are being destroyed and evacuated, latent patients to die. and with no work to go for aid. it is a jarring split screen. the words of american politicians and officials and leaders who pride themselves on humanitarian values and the right to life, while people and gaza literally are being forced to survive with american-backed israeli weapons being dropped on them for a 144 days. after the break, i'll be joined by doctor jon keller, medglobal closer who recently returned from a two-week medical mission in gaza. from a two-week medica in gaza. but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too. okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy.

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from breaking your momentum. you may have already been vaccinated against the flu, but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too. joining me now to discuss the link land invasion and rafah and the direct medical situation on the ground is doctor john kahler, who just

spent two weeks on a medical mission and gaza. he is a pediatrician and founder of medglobal, humanitarian organization providing emergency response aid around the world. dr. kahler, great to have you on the show. thank you so much ambition time for. us i want to start by asking you about your experience in gaza. what you. so you are there last month. the situation has only gotten worse since you were there. the gaza health ministry now has placed the child death toll at least 12,300 with thousands more still missing. >> first of all, thank you so much for addressing this dire situation, pending catastrophe.

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