>> on this new hour of ayman, congressman, jamie raskin, goes on the record about the in epic embarrassment facing his republican colleague james comer, after a star witness gets charged with lying to the

fbi about the bidens. plus, in a yet another sad first for america, donald trump gets a date for his criminal trial involving that preelection payoff, to a porn star, and the whopping issue president biden and his party can no longer ignore as we barrel towards november. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's do it. the basis of the gop's yearlong impeachment probe of joe biden, the basis of countless subpoenas, thousands of pages of emails, and bank records, endless hours of conservative media monologues, well, it utterly imploded this week. on thursday, the probe star witness, fbi informant, alexander smirnoff, was arrested, in charged with fabricating a multi million dollar bribery scheme involving president joe biden, his son hunter, and ukrainian energy

company, burisma. smirnov allegedly told the fbi, falsely, that burisma officials had informed him they hired hunter biden because he, quote, protects us through his dad, from all kinds of problems, smirnov allegedly told the fbi, again, falsely, that burisma officials told him that they paid hunter and joe biden $5 million each and that it would take investigators ten years to finally elicited payments. it is not an exaggeration to say that this is perhaps the single most spectacularly embarrassing moment for the modern republican party. as msnbc's steve bannon reports, for biden's gop detractors in the house and senate, smirnov's claims were foundational. he was the party's star witness. sean hannity's fox news show ran with disinformation's claimed -- or this informants claims, in at least 85 separate segments last year. the republicans entire bribery

conspiracy theory was based on the claims this one supposed informant made to the fbi. so, if house republicans like the speaker, mike johnson, and house oversight chair, james comer, weren't such gluttons for punishment, they would have ended their investigation a long time ago, and certainly right now, the key evidence really, the only evidence at the center of their impeachment inquiry, is now an abject lie. it's not me climbing that, it's not the democrats on capitol hill who are saying it, it's actually the special counsel, david weiss. a man appointed by former president, donald trump, who has spent years now, investigating hunter biden. but, if past is prologue, republicans will just plow ahead. regardless of the facts, regardless of this development. remember, back in july, when another supposed key witness against joe biden touted by comer as a brave truth teller turned out to be an arms

trafficking chinese agent? or how about in december, when comer mistook payments hunter biden made to his father for his ford truck, as an influence peddling scheme? republicans have decided, time and time again, that something as inconvenient as the truth should never get in the way of a good political sideshow. joining me now is maryland congressman, jamie raskin, ranking member of the house committee on oversight and accountability. congressman raskin, it's good to see you again, thank you so much for coming back on the show. give me your thoughts about this. is there any rationale, any justification for house republicans to continue their impeachment inquiry after the developments of this week? is this now dead? >> no, it's time to fold up the circus. and, of course, it's not just based on this explosive finding, but on a whole series of similar findings. we got a letter from rudy

giuliani's right-hand man, left parnas, who basically said he was sent out to try to find dirt like this, and there was nothing there. and he's never seen anything to substantiate those original false allegations that have now just been established or presumably established by the fbi. we saw it from gordon sondland, who testified in the first impeachment hearing, we heard it from the former president of ukraine, poroshenko. the republican senators who investigated this in 2020 came back totally empty-handed and said there was nothing there. so, i'm afraid that our friends really should just fold up shop and say they acted in good faith, we'll be willing to grant them a pass on that one. but it's over, we should stop wasting the taxpayers money, and stop wasting energy on this, when there's so many other serious matters to be conducting oversight over with respect to the government or respect to the country.

we look at this terrible epidemic of gun violence taking place in the country, that's something we should be studying to see if we can do something about that. so there are lots of things that i think would rightfully call upon our attention, legislatively, but this one is over. and i called on them friday, just to acknowledge their defeat. >> going to say, you are better than me, you're a better man then me for giving them that much credit that they were acting in good faith. i think for most people, this was a political sideshow from the very get-go. the truth is, congressman, and we should remind our viewers, this epic embarrassment is hardly a first for your colleague, james comer, because throughout this process, he has repeatedly presented so called smoking guns only to have them blow up in his face, even some of his own, as you just mentioned, republican colleagues, even know that this isn't going anywhere. what are you hearing from the republicans on your committee? and more widely on the hill, if they are ready to move on.

>> they are embarrassed and mortified that every single league or every asserted explosive bombshell witness, every breakthrough,, ended up completely meaningless. now, we know why it all started with a tissue of lies and falsifications, and fictions, it is right there in the fbi indictment. they are not even, at this point, pretending to object the indictment, which was obtained by u.s. attorney, special counsel, weiss. who, of course, was a donald trump appointee. so, acknowledging my own agnosticism about whether or not they were acting in good faith or bad faith, comer could just say, well, we were acting in good faith, but it's all over, now. and we can move on to do the people's business. but i don't know that he's got it within him. now, they are starting to

pretend as if this were not the central allegation of the whole wild goose chase. but of course, it was. this was how it started. and it should end here. >> i wanted to pin it for a moment, congressman, get your thoughts on judge engoron ruling on trump's civil fraud case. especially something like your self who's investigated trump for alleged crimes, what did you make of the thread 50 dollar -- million dollar price tag for the persistent asset inflation. do you believe this is what accountability looks like? >> exactly. for me, it's such a stark contrast to the propaganda and the disinformation, and the constant promises of evidence and facts, all of these things, which never materialized. what we have now, in a series of civil court rulings, like the e. jean carroll case, and also now, this one in the civil fraud case in new york, is the rule of law at work, and the courts actually examining real

evidence arriving at real facts, and applying the law to the facts. it's not going well for donald trump, who is now -- by my record, more than a half billion dollars in the hole, just in legal debts, that he has incurred. by violating the law. in obvious ways, that anyone would understand, and certainly professional businessmen were understand. you can't do, you can't inflate the value of your properties for some purposes and deflate them the exact same properties for other purposes. you can't sexually assault people in department stores, and then defame them about it. these are basic rules of legal conduct that apply to everybody in society, and it's an astonishing ruling by the judge in the new york case, because he basically says that there's absolutely no contrition, no

remorse, and no acceptance of responsibility for blatant violations of his civil duties. and the question is whether this pattern in the civil cases will now be able to carry over in the criminal court, assuming that the supreme court does the right thing, and finds that a president's -- or a former president, is not absolutely immune from criminal process for crimes committed while he was president, or afterwards. >> so let me ask you about that, because you just brought it up really quick. what are you watching for as the supreme court weighs in on this trump immunity claim? >> i'm not too optimistic, i'm afraid to say, about the colorado case, i went to the supreme court and watched very carefully the oral arguments. and i was disappointed to come away with the sense that the justice enter the courtroom with their minds made up.

i think they clearly did not want to implement and enforce the clear meaning of section three of the 14th amendment. but it did trigger in me, at least, the suggestion, well, maybe there's an implicit kind of arrangement, where they are going to allow trump to go on the ballot, despite the explicit prohibition of allowing people to be president who have engaged in insurrection or rebellion, if they had once sworn an oath of loyalty to the constitution. but that they might find he can be on the ballot, but of course, we are going to reject, as the d.c. circuit court did, this absolute categorical claim that presidents are somehow immune from criminal liability, finding that the president really is above the law. and i would hope that that would be a unanimous ruling. the d.c. circuit court decision is just splendid, and sweeping, in saying this is a direct attack on the constitution, and

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weeks after the super tuesday primaries. it is the first of trump's criminal prosecutions to move to trial, it is the first time a former president has ever faced a criminal trial. the judge expects it will last about six weeks. with me now, jill wine-banks, former watergate prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, and co- host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. here with me on set, malaysian fast, a special correspondent for vanity fair, she's an msnbc political analyst, and also hosts the fast politics podcast. and dean obeidallah, msnbc colleague ministers and host of the dean obeidallah show on sirius xm. it's greta value of you with us. jill, also with you, you're no stranger to historic legal proceedings, obviously. annex you said it was good news that a trial date has been set in the hush money trial. explain the significance for us here, of that. >> the significance, of course, is that it is, let me say, an election fraud case. instead of saying it is a hush money case, i prefer to say

that it is an election fraud case, because it is. it was intended to deceive the voters. what's significant is it is a serious felony, multiple felonies, 34 counts of felony, and it is a different way of holding the former president accountable. you've named multiple civil cases, he has, thanks to new york, to defamation judgments, a sexual assault judgment, and a fraud case, both in his new york university, his foundation, and now, for his corporation, and a criminal conviction for his corporation, all in new york. this is going to be the next new york finding against him, and then we can move on to other places. georgia, and two federal courts, d.c. and florida. it's significant because we didn't get to do it in watergate. i believe that we should have done it the day that richard nixon resigned, i actually also

think a sitting president can be indicted. but i lost that argument with a special prosecutor, and while we were discussing indicting richard nixon, after he resigned and was a private citizen, just as donald trump is, he got pardoned by his successor, gerald ford, and once he's pardoned, there was nothing we could do. we wouldn't be having all these arguments now, if we had done it then. and the evidence was as clear then as it is now, and it's time to say we don't have a king, we we have a former president who is an american citizen subject to all of our laws, he's alleged to have violated criminal statutes and it is time for a jury to decide whether the proof measures up to the crimes that he is charged with. >> i think history has taught us that you are probably correct in pushing for the prosecution of richard nixon before he was pardoned. molly, talk to us about the

significance of jury selection starting on the 25th of march. it's quite remarkable to think of where -- of what that moment means, and the fact that the president, former president, might attempt to probably delay it if possible. >> look, if it happens, super tuesday's march 5th. republicans will have picked their guy, then he will immediately be sitting for jury selection, for a criminal trial. >> bizarre. >> that's incredible stuff. they're going to try as hard as possible to kick the can, that's all they have, right? his legal team, delay, delay, delay. but it seems like this is going to happen. really, this election interference element is a very big deal. and the idea here is that he went in there, and wrote these hush money payments to stormy daniels, in order to have it -- you know, to interfere with the election. >> as jill was saying, this is an election interference case. even if it is financed

payments, or illegal finance payments made to shush a porn star. let me get your thoughts on the conversation between the judge, and calling judge tanya chutkan, who is overseeing the actual election interference case that is now delayed as trump -- if he'll works its way to the supreme court. what do you make of that decision, given that the trial is so critical for both what happens in new york and what happens in d.c.? >> first of all, let me just say, literally, i've got someone for jury duty here in new york county, for later february. i can move her to a new date, i moved her to mid march 25th. i will be fair when i convict him, i promise. -- >> i don't think you're allowed to tell anyone that you're on that jury. >> i don't think you're going to make it. >> i'm not kidding, i really do. for two weeks from now, but you can move it to a later date. >> you understand that when you become a part of those legal worries, as we just saw, you get death threats, bomb threats, as we saw. >> i sued trump supporters for trying to kill me from -- the

maga publication. i think all of us, and listeners to my show as well, but i've liked the d.c. case to go first. that was donald trump's attack on our democracy. for serious felonies for that. we can't use that date. it's up to the court. but i will say, the same thing my friend molly and jill said, if you know anyone in corporate media, ayman, it's not the hush money case, it's election interference. when you look at the timeline, october 7th -- october 10th, three days later, it's when trump's team reached out to stormy daniels, because they knew she was going to go public. in the midst of the firestorm, she's going to say i had an affair with donald trump four months after he had a child with melania. instead of being there with his wife and the new child, he's having sex with a porn star. and he would've lost the election. he knows he would've lost the election. he committed crimes so that we, the voters of america did know that. he would've lost if that came out. >> a very important point because dean is making a very

important point that it would've cost him in the election in 2016, this time around, when he's actually on trial, will it actually have any impact on his voters? >> here's the thing about trump's voters. trump has these low frequency voters, who come out. it's a shifting electorate. he opens the door to a very strange problem, the people who came out in 2016 and 2020 for him are not the people who come out normally. the question is, those voters are very hard to measure, which is why we have this polling crisis in our country. we don't know, as the normal electorate show up? does this trump electorate show up? the trump voters are his people. they are not going to listen to anything normal. but that's okay. because that group is smaller, and harder, and just less open to reason than they've ever been. now, there are a lot of persuadable voters in this country, or people for whom being a defendant in a criminal case is disqualified. even though, i think polling is very broken, if you look at

polls, these respondents say, a criminal case, our guy being in court, they're not so sure. >> yeah, it might actually be a factor in how they make their decisions. jail, trump's legal team has argued relentlessly that the trial wrongfully interferes with his presidential campaign. but trump seems to be making these court proceedings part of his campaign, certainly even just from a fundraising point of view. what is your take on that strategy. good idea or legally dangerous? >> i don't know how legally dangerous it is, but i'd want to say to deem, you have justice qualified yourself from being on that jury by your statement. >> jill, i promise when i vote to convict him, i'll be very fair about my vote. i will get all the jury to convict him. i will convince them. i'm a lawyer, trust me, guilty. >> jill, you're assuming you're giving a lot to new york jurors, thinking they're watching the show. i really appreciate that, but thank you. >> if any of the lawyers are

watching, he's off the jury. but to answer your question, i think it is maybe -- i don't know, legally or politically how dangerous it is, but it's certainly not a good, or affective argument. i don't think it has any strength at all. and that it will go nowhere in terms of effecting the case or the outcome at all. >> all right, jill wine-banks, thank you so much, greatly appreciate your insights as always. molly and dean, stick around, we've got a lot more to discuss with you. next, growing calls and concerns that president biden, nor his party, can ignore. can.

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commonwealth house of representatives after jim crow copiague defeated their republican challenger there. and finally in oklahoma, yes, oklahoma, democrats their lost house district 39 special election, which is one of the most red districts in oklahoma. through some combination of abortion rights, defending democracy, and fears of a second trump term, a rising tide seems to be lifting all democrat votes, all votes that, is expect for joe biden right now. best buy consistent beady -- there's a warning sign, joe biden job approval rating is still stuck at 41%. the lowest among incumbents in january of an election year. and who knows whether that number will sing following the special counsel robert hur's nightmare of an assessment of biden's mental fitness? couple that with biden's increasingly unpopular opinions regarding israel's war and the resulting you merrick therrien crisis in gaza, that raises the

question, are democrats doing well because of joe biden or despite of joe biden? my panel is back, with me, dean, i want you to start off where this intro leads off. that is with congresswoman rashida tlaib who posted a video this weekend talking about the upcoming vote -- urging voters in that state to vote against joe biden, not for joe biden in a non committed way to send a message that bears displacement or disappointment, if you will, so far among michiganders with the way he's been handling this war. what do you think of that campaign? that strategy, to try to get this administration to pivot on what's happening in gaza. >> look, rashida tlaib is speaking for many, the most humble american community, the arab american community who are christian, and even allies from other communities. it's not saying they're going to vote for trump, they're never gonna vote for trump, but like any other community, we are pressuring those in power to see our way on an issue that's important to us. it's not a political issue,

it's a very human issue within the arab american, muslim american community. many of us know people have lost and friends in gaza, and rafah, they attacked that, lining up now with netanyahu, that could be awful. they're just doing what every other community has done. i think there's nothing wrong with that. there's a lot of time between now and november, we're not doing this october 2024, we are doing this now to pressure administration to change policy. they changed course, i think you're gonna see things differently in terms of our communities excitement and animation. >> molly, let me ask about the question i framed there in the introduction, which is democrats are doing well, performing well, not just in the special races, but even in referendum that has to deal with abortion, and female reproductive rights in other states. it's not happening because of joe biden, or despite the challenges that joe biden's administration is facing over something like the gaza war? >> let's look at new york's third district, right? this is this rich suburban district, nassau county, parts of queens, the non -- the

republican candidate could not figure out how to embrace mega. she sort of did it, she sort of didn't, she wouldn't answer when she had voted for trump, finally, she said a week before that she had, the maga people didn't think she would significantly maga, the swing voters won't fold. you really see the pickle that these republicans are in. you know, she said she was pro -- she just couldn't get a foothold. meanwhile, volunteers in that district were writing postcards, phone calls, knocking on doors. so i think trump brings out the democratic base, in a way, because santos was -- you know, this republican house, if you look at it for a minute, you see dysfunction. every part. the speaker is this zealot a guy, who's just really not somebody who appeals to swing

voters. the box he has these people take our votes to impeach cabinet members. i think that this republican party has tainted themselves in such a way, suburban voters are really, at least in this district, going to vote against them. >> i'm going to say, tamales point, george santos embodied that. he was the literal physical embodiment of everything that is the new maga party, extreme fake, phony, lying, criminal, alleged criminal, but to that end, how should democrats read that victory in that state? is it a rejection of people like george santos and what he represents in the republican party? or, what somebody like tom suozzi is offering? and a broader democratic party is often. >> there's messages you can say our broader -- i went to law school with tom, i've known him for a long time. he's been on my show, i'm not plugging my show, but he's been on my show many times. >> it would be awkward if you are on the show not plug in your show. >> i come on to plug my radio show. the point about tom, he was

known, he was a former nasa county executive, the mayor of glen cove, his family is known. he was a member of congress before that. on the issues he ran on reproductive freedom, on gaza, i talked to him about it, it was an issue. he ran though on the pro israel, but he's for a two- state solution, talked about a palestinian state, humanitarian support for palestinians. his opponent who served in the israeli military, zero compassion or empathy for palestinians. doesn't believe they deserve self determination. and on immigration, which was the biggest issue, he ran on what president biden is talking about, that bipartisan deal. he called at his opponent for opposing it and having no alternative. so for people really caring about the board of instances, you want to hear policies. he had one, 20 billion dollar investment security. >> republicans don't do -- >> his opponent is saying we've got to stop people coming in, we've got a deal with immigration, at the border. he goes, i've got a plan, what's yours? none. she won't even debate him except for once.

look, what's unique was tom's well known there, but what's broader is he went on the offensive in immigration, he also added pathway to citizenship, it's a little more progressive than the biden plan. really i think that's a template for democrats around the country. you don't ignore the issue, you embrace it, you say here's our issue, what's yours? they have nothing, just obstruct, obstruct, obstruct. >> i think they're going to regret killing that bill. i think really, because the thing is, we want immigration, we want to fix the border, then you just say, well you just killed the bill. remember, it was a really conservative bill. >> let me ask you really quickly about this political article published, pretty breathtaking piece. definitely ruffling a lot of feathers in washington, in the white house, detailing how there are some democrats in the donor class who started musing about a, quote, biden plan b. it's a theoretical plan, in which if biden wins, he goes to the primary -- through the primaries, ghost early june to

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which was actually developed by the soviet union. defiant, not only put his life on the line, and actually flew back to moscow in 2021. he was arrested at the airport, as expected, and has been serving time in russian -- in a russian penal colony ever since. explaining why he made such a consequential decision to return to russia, navalny said i don't want to give up either my country or my beliefs. if your beliefs are worth something, you must be willing to stand up for them and if necessary, make some sacrifice. navalny did make the ultimate sacrifice, like many others before him. since putin came to power in 1999, more than 20, yes, 20 of his critics have been killed or mysteriously died. even though next month's elections will almost certainly cement another six-year term for putin, navalny's influence runs deep within russian society. this former new york times bureau chief surge showman rights, the rise of a new martyr will give new force to the questions and actually

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disgraced former fox host interview the russian president last thursday, if you want to call it an interview. the questions were so softball that even putin was unimpressed, saying he hoped carlson would have to asked her to questions, but, quote, he chose a different tactic. not sure what that tactic was, but he did it. now, tucker is finally criticizing russia after the death of opposition leader, alexei navalny. in a statement to the new york times, carlson said, quote, it's horrifying what happened to navalny. the whole thing is barbaric and awful. no decent person would defend it. except, just days before navalny's death, this is what he had to say. >> every leader kills people, including my leader. every leader kills people. somehow more than others. leadership requires telling people, i'm sorry. at a certain point, people can decide whether they -- what countries they think are better, what systems they think are better. >> all right, let's bring in our next contender. new york governor, kathy hochul. hochul drew ethridge when she spoke at a george philanthropy

event and implied that israel had the right to destroy gaza. she did so using a bizarre analogy, hochul said, quote, if canada someday ever attacked buffalo, i'm sorry, my friends, there would be no canada the next day. last time i checked, the residents of buffalo are not living under a canadian military blockade, and they can leave and travel freely, a luxury palestinians in gaza are simply don't have. after the speech went viral, hochul issued an apology for her quote, poor choice of words. let's bring back my panel, the molly, who do you have? tucker carlson or governor kathy hochul? >> i am without speech. why are we going to war with canada? what? >> not even going to war, it's destroying canada. there won't be a canada. >> for canadians, they've really had -- both are just awful, in totally different

ways. i do have to say, watching the decline of tucker carlson has been just amazing. and i think all of us -- i mean, i can't believe how quickly he went from the king of the far-right, to being completely irrelevant. and having putin make fun of him, that was -- that seemed pretty humiliating. >> i'm gonna get your thoughts on this real quick, but watching tucker carlson in that interview with putin, was so cringeworthy, because of the fact that he totally humiliated him. he'd say you're not a real interviewer, basically saying you're not serious. i was expecting to have a serious interview, but that's not coming from you, a comedian, basically, moralis. who do you have, tucker our governor hochul? >> it's close, but i think tucker carlson. kathy hochul's comments were pandering at the worst. you see the video, the audience there cheered when she said we had to draw it a hamas, when she said that line, the audience of jewish new yorkers did not say that. she was so pandering,

cheerleading for genocide, she doesn't support, that mainstream jewish americans don't supported genocide by any stretch of imagination. tucker carlson, what he said in that clock about leadership tells people, donald trump said the same thing when asked about putin to bill o'reilly. trump said in response, we kill people to -- >> what do you think we're so -- >> they are the same brain. tucker carlson is much more dangerous. i think he did more to the mainstream white supremacy, open white supremacy, than anyone. he loses even before we get in. this is awful stuff. tucker deserves this. >> -- called him a useful idiot. to be quite honest, i think that what you are seeing, this idea that somehow tucker carlson lands in russia, goes to a supermarket, and says hey, the price of goods is so cheap that everything else russia does is basically forgiven or forgivable, or we should tolerate it. maybe that's what we need to have in our country. >> it was bizarre, then, they killed the volley.

right afterwards. >> then they killed believing oppositional figure, champion of democracy in that country. >> it was -- a best, it was poor timing, but it did feel like putin was sort of setting him up for this, a little bit. and look, the larger problem is not tucker carlson, the larger problem is that the far-right loves autocracy. >> right, that's what was the seeping message. that's what they are subtly seeping in this idea into the consciousness of voters. authoritarian is not so bad if you get cheap milk and she bags. that's what we should be valuing. a clean subway. >> right on time, as this moment, donald trump is still not denounced putin killing navalny -- even nikki haley has denounced it. donald trump, you should be saying something about this. what kind of leader are you? he is ushering in this maga movement. tucker could be his vp, they talk about that, it's ultimately a fascist movement, at the idea of the use of anger and turning people against each other.

it's anti-democratic. we're living through this in realtime on u.s. soil. we never thought we'd see this, -- >> you're gonna say something? >> it's good that nikki haley -- i don't agree with her, but it's good that she's out there saying normal stuff. >> it's good that somebody from the republican parties out there saying we don't like it when champions of democracy or opposition figures are being killed or murdered in a penal colony. i've got one more worst of the way contender for you. it's a late one that we've added. donald trump at a sneaker convention today, announcing his, wait for, you see it there on your screen, a new line of trump sneakers for the low price of $399. >> he's got to pay $450 million -- >> how many frequent sneakers doesn't have to have a billion dollars? how many sneakers? >> people in the new york subway selling this, help me out, i need to raise for under $50 million. he got put a lot, he got cheered, but he got booed a lot at that event. i enjoyed seeing that. >> the grift continues with this guy. >> i don't know that the 399

dollar sneakers -- i don't know that that's his audience. >> i was going to say, you're totally right. joking aside, when you think about the young kids in this country who are sneakerheads and people who really go to these conventions, and it is a very lucrative trade, people who shop, i'm not going to pretend i'm cool or know anything about sneakers, but i would say that it is not his base, the people in philadelphia who are going to sneaker connor not the ones that are probably going to buy for under dollar sneakers from trump. >> i've got my air ayman's on tonight. >> somebody sold you a fake. >> he's above it. arraignments, get them on ebay. >> you bought fake shoes that were emmons that have nothing to do with me. i will say this, it's quite remarkable that this guy will find any product to hawk to anybody just to try to get some money. it looks like it's just gonna keep getting worse for him. >> they're going to try to take over the rnc, which is just --

you know, this is so much money that he has to raise to pay for these judgments. >> out of the three of us, you probably have a bit more style fence, certainly more than dean. what do you think of the shoe? that gold shoe with the american flag. why are we putting the american flag on sneakers? >> i am with that. yet again, you have rendered me speechless. i don't know. i don't know who this is for, i don't know why this is happening. >> also, how do we think that there may be a challenge to the shoes with the red bottom souls? >> libertarians. >> trump air, trump airlines. the trump bears, is not what they're gonna call them? will somebody buy them? his base will send him money. by the way, i hope he takes over the rnc, takes every penny from them, so they can help any republican candidate across the nation. how good is this? he will destroy this version of the gop that we can't, he'll do it. >> he might end up causing them their nonprofit -- their

status. >> yeah, losing their status as a non profit. all right guys, great to see you, thank you so much. appreciate your insights about the entire hour. thank you for making time for us. make sure to come back tomorrow night at seven pm eastern, we're going to be talking to dull say sloan about her new book, and the return of john stewart to the daily show. until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york, every night. mohyeldin in new york, ey night. you! your business bank account with quickbooks money now earns 5% apy. (♪♪) that's how you business differently. intuit quickbooks. as the world keeps moving, help prevent covid-19 from breaking your momentum. you may have already been vaccinated against the flu, but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too. (bobby) my store and my design business? we're exploding. but my old internet, was not letting me run the show. so, we switched to verizon business internet. they have business grade internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your v

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