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so much going on in the news right now. so much going on in the news, just today. i do feel like it's one of those times, one of those news days, when it seems like the world is trying to make us feel like we are not alone. in the nation of panama, for example, they have a rich conservative businessman who was a former president. since leaving the presidency recently, he has faced multiple criminal charges, he beat some of those charges, but not all of them. when he was convicted on money laundering charges recently, he was sentenced to ten years in prison. now, the country's supreme court recently denied his appeal of that conviction. but then in a dramatic move another country nicaragua, stepped in and offered him amnesty. and this other country, nicaragua, is apparently trying to protect him from going to jail. this former president of panama, who again has been convicted, who is due in prison, he has not gone to

prison. instead he has moved into the nicaraguan embassy of his country. because nicaragua has offered him asylum. he moved in with his desk, and his sofa, and his dog, who is named bruno. and, there is bruno. from that exile, from that other countries embassy, while he is hiding out from his ten- year prison sentence, he is now running for president of panama again. and he is winning. according to the new york times, recent polls show him running in first place. this convicted fugitive right- wing businessman, former president, now trying to rally his countryman. saying online, quote, you have to be very quality -- to disqualify a presidential candidate who's first in the polls. yes, if i could win votes, who cares that i am a convicted felon, spring me out of here! that is happening right now in panama, the convict, now a fugitive, he has taken his dog, and moved into the fort embassy

of a country that has granted him asylum. and he may win the election from their. it's so, we are not alone. up [laughter] in some weird way. that's panama. also, pakistan, there they've got a former prime minister who was ousted from being prime minister in 2022. he is now in prison, campaigning from prison, his party won this weekend's elections in pakistan. his party didn't exactly know how to deal with the logistics of him proclaiming victory while he is in prison, so they had a i generate a fake victory speech, in what sounded like his voice, even though it wasn't really his voice, because he is in prison, so we could actually give the speech. now, they have to figure how to try to form a government with him in jail, but with his party having won. and all of the headlines about this turn of events in pakistan are breaking some version of the same thing. all of the headlines using the same word, chaos, chaos, chaos,

chaos. nobody wants to be a country where the election news and the prison news are kind of the same thing. nobody wants to be that. that said, if you elect someone to be president who has been committing crimes, and or you elect someone president, and then when they're president they do some crimes, maybe to try to stay in office once they have been voted out, then honestly you have no choice. congratulations, you have joined the community of nations where sometimes, people run for president from prison, and they sometimes when. and there's no easy way out of that. in brazil, the so-called tropical trump, right-wing former president jair bolsonaro, he was just named officially as a target in a federal criminal investigation in brazil. as to whether he plotted a military coup, to try to stay in power. you will remember that bolsonaro lost reelection in 2022, he claimed he was robbed,

that the election was rigged and it was stolen. he made those claims about the election being rigged even before people started voting in that election. so when he lost, his supporters were of course primed to protest, and to disbelieve the results. why does that sound familiar? then on january 6th, i mean the eight, after the election, his supporters gathered for a protest at the capitol, which quickly turned into a violent mob attack on the capitol, and the supreme court, as they tried to use a riot, they tried to use mob violence to keep bolsonaro in power, rather than allow for the peaceful transition of power to the new guy, who actually had beaten bolsonaro in the election. well now, it looks like bolsonaro is going to be federally prosecuted in brazil, for his efforts to overturn the government and stay in power. the courts in brazil have already barred him from standing for election again, anytime in the near future. but now, it looks like they are going to charge him. within the past few days, four

of his aides were arrested. he was also made to hand over his passport, so he cannot leave the country to try to avoid beef prosecuted. who knows the, maybe he will try to get asylum somewhere. maybe he will try to sneak back to south florida again. if you see him in south florida, which is where he went right after he lost reelection, or even if you see him in brazil. hey, if you see him walking his dog tour the embassy of nicaragua, call somebody, it's news. i mean, all things considered, it is better to not be a country where presidents and prime ministers go to prison. we had that for, we had the luxury of not being that for a very long time, right. the closest we got was nixon, right. and everybody was furious when gerald ford gave nixon a pardon. rather than waiting for nixon to probably inevitably get indicted, before nixon could be indicted, he was probably going to get indicted, ford gave him that pardon, and everybody was so mad.

maybe if fort hadn't have pardoned nixon, we would have learned our lesson then. we would have learned that the consequences of putting a criminal in the white house are absolutely terrible for the country, terrible for the criminal himself, sure. but way worse for the country, that has then, and forever after to jam up it's politics, a retrievable, with accountability under the criminal court. politics news and the present news, always having from that point forward, to go together. but now here we are, we have lost the luxury that we used to have. we are definitely not alone in the world on this score anymore. and so yes, tonight on this broadcast, we are going to be talking about former president donald trump's filing that he just made in the u.s. supreme court, claiming to be immune from prosecution for any crimes he might have committed while serving as president. we will be talking about efforts to disqualify the prosecutor who has brought him up on r.i.c.o. charges for his alleged efforts to overturn the election

results in the state of georgia. we will be talking about the timing of his criminal trial, for alleged illegal hush money payments to a mistress. a trial we might get a start date for by the end of this week. we will be talking about the expected civil judgment against him, and his business, which may total hundreds of millions of dollars. that judgment is also expected to come by the end of this week, and, and, and, and, and that's only some of them, that is leaving some of them out. but this is what covering politics is like now in america. here, like so many countries all around the world, covering politics now has to include a lot of the prison side of things to. and the inherent drama of all of that courtroom confrontation. it does make covering politics feel different. i mean sometimes, i think it makes it hard to remember that we are not just running a steeple chase of unprecedented legal challenges and hurdles and hazards that we never had to deal with before as a country. i mean yes, we are now, right now, in our generation, in our

lifetime, in this year, we are trying to avoid becoming a fundamentally different kind of country. right, by having to do all this. yes, we are caught up in this incredible and frustrating drama of trying to use democratic means to save our democracy from people who are not using democratic means, because they want to end democracy, and it just seize power by force. we are trying to defeat those forces as a country, while holding on to our democracy itself, and using democratic means to save the democracy we are fighting for. and that's really hard, and there is so much procedural drama in this whole process that we are in the middle of, that it is sometimes easy to forget that through this mess up, fraught, upsetting, unprecedented process we are in, we are also picking a candidate. we are also picking a president. with all of the high stakes that that means.

have you ever heard of the chip and dale building in new york city? that's its nickname, the chip and dale building. it's in new york, midtown manhattan in madison avenue, from the ground, it kind of looks like a normal new york office building. but then up top, it's weird looking. the top of the building kind of looks like it's visiting from another object, right. like, the top looks like maybe a piece of furniture, that's where the nickname came from, the chippendales building. it's like this building version, it's the building version of a mullet. business building downstairs, some kind of weird, an inviting party happening upstairs. the ship andale building in new york. some people love it, some people hate it. but if you want to see the critics point of view, that this really is just a building with a whole another idea for a whole separate building plopped awkwardly on top of it. if you want to see the point of view of the people who really don't like this, and who think this has got kind of a hat on a horse element to it, i think

you can see the critics perspective really clearly, if you see it alongside another building that was made by the same architect, where he seemed to be pursuing the same type of idea. so here's that other building, the same guy made both of these. and you can see the idea carried fruit from one to the other, right. in both cases, what you've got is a normal building, maybe even kind of unattractive building, with a whole other building just plopped on top of it, like an afterthought, or like a joke. the one on the left is the chippendales building in new york, the one on the right is the university of houston, it is their architecture school there, sadly. both designed by the same guy, a man named philip johnson. and port houston, houston is a great american city, one of my favorite cities in the country. but houston has lots of philip johnson buildings around, way more than their quote, i think, way more than houston deserves. philip johnson buildings are kind of the iconic building of the houston skyline.

and they are solace office parks. i mean, this is a matter of taste, don't get me wrong, there are definitely lots of people who love philip johnson as an architect. people like a vodka martinis to, to each their own. no accounting for taste. but it does remain one of the great skeletons not quite in the closet of american architecture. that this guy, philip johnson, probably the most famous and well-known and prolific american modernist architect, philip johnson, was also a raging fascist. philip johnson wrote admiring reviews of mein kampf. philip johnson went to germany in 1932, to attend a giant hitler youth rally in -- . philip johnson tried to start his own fascist political party in the united states, which he wanted to be an armed faction that will become the single party in a one party fascist state. philip johnson tried to form a

paramilitary group, in addition to the fascist political party. it was modeled specifically on hitler's brownshirts and muzzling's black shirts. philip johnson called his groups the gray shirts, and they met in philip johnson's apartment. philip johnson personally bankrolled fascist intellectuals in the united states in the wheat up to world war ii. he put them on his personal payroll, and plate -- so that they could continue their work as fascist intellectuals and writers. philip johnson wrote eugenics based essays about how the white race was dying, and needed to be rescued. philip johnson, very famous american architect, was a world american fascist. and in 1939, when german troops invaded poland and started world war ii,, philip johnson was invited along to poland, to cover the fun. he was invited by the german government. reporters and correspondents for major news organizations or

covering the of invasion its aftermath, that was not unusual. but it was unusual that philip johnson was invited to be there to, because he really wasn't a journalist. he was an american, pro-nazi fascist activist. and would be architect, seemingly. but he was nevertheless invited along by the germans, to cover their magnificent invasion. and he filed articles about it for the pro fascist newsletter that was put out in america by father charles coughlin. and what philip johnson wrote about the naughty's starting world war ii, what he wrote about it was that poland really was asking for it. poland had given hitler no choice. that sure, it might look to the world like hitler and the not seas had just invaded poland, and their fight started world war ii. but really poland made hitler do it made him cooperate with hitler up to a point but then they stop cooperating with him the way he wanted, and so we have to innovate, and it was

their fault. really, philip johnson further explained it, it kind of seemed like hitler should have invaded poland. philip johnson wrote up that invasion as what hitler had done pull in a real favor. because among other things, poland was really full of jews. philip johnson was not a very reliable observer of what was going on in that invasion, that started world war ii. but he was a great stenographer of exactly what hitler and the nazis themselves wanted the world to think about what they did. he did a great job conveying they're absolutely ridiculous, self exculpatory-y cover story. in no world, in no contemporary journalism, in no history since them, did pullen start world war ii. in no world did poland force hitler to invade poland. i mean, not since hitler and the not cease cooked up as a ridiculous joke in 1939, and

committed american fascists like the guy who made this monstrosity wrote it down for them, and tried to spread it around to the american public. not an 85 years has anybody tried to sell that kind of horse hockey fairytale of who started world war ii, to the american people. until now, now it's back. >> thursday night, a new interview with russian president vladimir putin, with a former fox news host was posted online. and if you heard anything about it, i'm going to guess that you probably read news articles about it, that described the interview as boring. you might have read that it started with putin giving a long, inexplicable, and boring history lecture that went on and on and on and on, and didn't seem to have a point, and that definitely lost most of its american audience. true, all true. except for the part of the history lecture where putin got to 1939. at which point, he then claimed

in this interview, that it was poland who started world war ii. poland did it. because even though poland had cooperated with hitler up to a point, they stopped cooperating with hitler, when hitler really wanted them to cooperate more. and once that happened, hitler had no choice, he just had to invade. and by the way, it was kind of doing poland a favor. exact same line. i mean, we haven't had someone trying to sell this line to an american audience since it happened the first time, in 1939. with philip johnson, score on quote, reporting. up went with him, we had a committed american fascist allied with the nazis, openly rooting for them, trying to sell us this bill of goods. that happened in 1939, it hasn't happened since, until now. and the recent putin is trying to sell us the american public this bizarre line now, is more worrying than it is interesting. it might be boring, but it is

worrying. here's russian journalist -- . explaining it for an american audience in the new yorker. in a piece that i really highly recommend that you take a look at, if you can, in the new yorker. -- says this. quote, i can't get one passage out of my mind. in the history lecture portion of the interview, when putin got to 1939, he said poland cooperated with germany, but then it refused to comply with hitler's demands. polls forced him they overplayed their hand and they forced hitler to start the second world war by attacking poland. poland forced hitler to invade them. the idea -- says, the idea that the victim of the attacks serves as its instigator, by forcing the hand of the aggressor, that is central to all of putin's explanations for russia's war in ukraine. -- says, to my knowledge, this is the first time putin described hitler's aggression in these same terms. quote, the way putin described

the beginning of the second world war in this interview, suggests that in his mind, he might see himself as hitler. but perhaps a wily or one, one who can make inroads into the united states, and create an alliance with its presumed future president. it's telling to -- continues, that putin took the time to accuse poland of both allying with not see germany, and excite -- hitler's aggression. as he has done with ukraine in the past, he is positioning poland as the air to nazism. putin mentioned poland more than 30 times in this conversation with mr. carlson. if i were poland, i'd be scared. and quote. vladimir putin is selling a new line, to americans. he's saying that poland is the real aggressor that we should blame for world war ii, and he's starting to use the same

language starting to cite the same weird reasons he used to justify invading ukraine, when he talks about poland. and what's really really important to understand about that is that poland is a nato country, they happen for 25 years now. and we are a nato country true. and if putin decides that he doesn't just want to invade ukraine, which he has done twice not since 2014, and he doesn't just want to invade georgia and moldova as well, which he has also invaded. if he decides, as he is sort of threatening here. if he decides that he is going to start shooting at poland now too, or trying to take land in poland, that would be putin and russia attacking nato. which would oblige the other 30 nato countries in the world, including us, to come to their rescue against russia. or maybe not? less than 48 hours after that interview posted online, former president donald trump at a rally, said if he is president

again, basically he would not honor that commitment. he appears to have made up a conversation with what he called the leader of a, quote large nato country, in which he says he told this leader that if that country were attacked by russia, quote, no, i would not protect you. he said quote, in fact, i would encourage them, meaning russia, to do whatever the hell they want. as david singer wrote in the new york times today, quote, the large implication of his statement is that he, trump, might invite president vladimir putin of russia to pick off a nato nation as a warning and a lesson to the 30 or others heading -- about heating mr. trump's demands. i have to stress here that trump really did use the word encourage. he did not say that the united states would sit idly by in case russia invaded a nato ally. he said he would encourage russia to go after one of our allies. he would encourage them. in other words, he would tell

russia to go take out one of our allies, with the assurance that we do nothing to help. this is happening within 48 hours of putin telling a handpicked interviewer which country see things really have had it coming. and he's got one of them in nato at the top of his list. but don't forget, president biden's three years older than that guy. so obviously, they are equally enormous risk in picking either these candidates to be president of the united states. one is obviously old, one is also old, and facing 91 felony charges, and saying he will literally encourage russia to expand its war to hit our allies. while russia's dictator is single -- to an american audience that he plans to do just that. lots of other countries, i am sad to say it, but lots of other countries have to deal with former presidents and prime ministers facing criminal charges. it is awful, and complicated, and fraught, and nobody in this country wishes that we had to

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for the last 75 years. but what bothers me about this is, don't take the site of a thug who kills his opponents. don't take the sight of someone who has gone in and invaded a country, and half 1 million people have died or been wounded because of putin. >> amid all of the other political drama and legal drama that we are contending with right now as a country, including the drama that our legal stuff and our political stuff is intermingled from here on out. the leading republican presidential candidate and former president, donald trump this week, and promised that if he is elected president again, the united states will no longer pledge to defend american nato allies, if any of them are attacked by russia. and in fact, he said he would quote, encourage russia. that was the word he used, encouraged russia to do, quote, whatever the hell they wanted. joining us now is former u.s. ambassador to russia michael -- , ambassador -- was recently in lithuania, where he had the opportunity to speak with some

of those countries leaders. he has a little bit of insights into how this may be playing in our allies who are very much at the pointy end of the spear -- in discussions like this. ambassador -- it's great to see, you thank you so much for being here. >> thanks for having. me >> let me first ask you, if you feel like any of the reaction to what president trump said this weekend, the interpretation of what it means, it's implications. if you feel like any of it is being misconstrued, or if you feel like people are getting at the wrong way around. or do you like this is getting the right kind of response? >> i'm shocked by how muted the responses. you said it several times tonight, rachel. it is just completely shocking what he said. and the fact that we are not all thank you right away for devoting so much time in your program tonight on it, and thank you for making the connections to the 1930s. because this is a 1930s five. and when i was in with -- a

meeting with leaders not just from lithuania, but poland, latvia, estonia. that's the metaphor they are using, in talking about these terms. what's shocking to me is that we are all not shocked by. we have become so used to mr. trump saying these outrageous things, and then it's just oh, that's just trump being trump. but the fact that trump said russia, putin, should invade one of our allies, and he would encourage, it is just outrageous, extraordinary. so that is the reaction that i think is strange to me. but there's not more people saying that, especially national security officials, former officials in the republican party. because i know that they agree with me, and i am shocked that they are so silent tonight. >> in listing waning, latvia, estonia, in poland. in those countries, is there a sense that this is more than just uncouth, that this is something that there is a real

threat here, that putin is actually testing whether or not he can cross getting other border, that he can start military action against yet another country? >> without question. publicly, leaders from those countries have said it behind closed doors. they see it and say it with even more a motion in their voice. and here is the scenario they worry about. right now, russia is stuck fighting a difficult stalemate war in ukraine. thank goodness that they haven't achieved greater objectives. and we need to help them, so that the ukrainians, so that they don't. but they worry, what happens to your phone, three years ago, four years from now, when russia has greater capabilities, and we, because mr. trump comes to power, are no longer interested in defending our nato allies. and they talk very openly about what will we have to do, if the united states is not there to help us. they talked very openly about

how the soviet union was weak in 1941, when hitler invaded, but came back roaring in 1943, 44, 45. and they talk very explicitly about, will the united states recognize the article v commitment that we have in nato, to defend them. and if we don't, which coalition of countries will have to do it on their own? now i hope they are wrong, and i think it is important to understand and underscore that so far, russia and the soviet union have never attacked a nato country, that's the good news. but the fact that they are having these conversations is deeply troubling, exacerbated then by what mr. trump just said a few days ago. >> and, i mean some of the response has been -- on the republican side. and i'm thinking principally here about senator marco rubio, but also some other republicans, who have said hey listen, we passed a law that says the senate has to give

permission if a president ever wants to get us out of nato, in the future. this is, like you said, trump just being trump, this isn't a real risk. i feel like that may be true, on paper, but the risk is that the greenlight is given, once an american commitment is questioned on american soil by would be american leader. that legally, it doesn't necessarily matter, that the greenlight has been given, that the signal has been given that the security umbrella has been removed regardless of legalistic whatever happens as a consequence of trump's remarks. is that a fair assessment? >> that's exactly right rachel. which is to say yeah, the laws there, we are not going to withdraw from nato. but if a nato country is attacked especially if it is in the big u.s. attack. not tanks rolling -- but something strange. and trump says, i don't care, because they didn't pay us. that is when nato begins to crumble, with or without that

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the economy is simply not working for millions of hard working families. they're working harder than ever and they still can't make enough to get by to afford food and medicine to even keep a roof over their heads. we need to build more housing that's truly affordable. we need to address this terrible epidemic of homelessness. we need to invest in good paying jobs, union jobs and investments in our future. this, this is why i'm running for the us senate. i'm adam schiff and i approve this message. so this week, it's going to be

kind of knots. i think we can all agree for president donald trump started the week today at a courthouse in florida, a federal courthouse, it was for a hearing in the federal criminal case against him related to his allegedly hiding classified documents at his florida golf club, and refusing to turn them over when he was asked for them. that's how his week started, in the federal court in florida. the week could end with a new york judge oust him from running his family business, and ordering him to pay hundreds of millions of dollars. that's the -- hottest for the attorney generals asked fortner fraud case against donald trump in the new york times reports today that the judge in the fraud case was expected -- on friday of this. week again that was just newer times reporting we have not confirmed that. but we are watching that as well. judge and one could rule whenever he feels like it. friday is also the deadline for trump to appeal to the u.s. supreme court, to try to get the justices to throw out

lawsuits against him from capitol police officers, who were injured on january 6th. on thursday, in new york, there will be a pivotal hearing in the hush money criminal case. which the judge is expected to officially schedule the start of that new york state criminal trial that trial could start that could be the first criminal trial that trump was actually in the courtroom for. also on thursday, georgia prosecutor fani willis will be appearing at a hearing about whether or not she should be disqualified from her r.i.c.o. case against donald trump in georgia. trump and some of his 14 codefendants, in fani willis's case in georgia, are you that she should be disqualified, because she and one of the top prosecutor she hired for the case are involved in a personal romantic relationship. now fani willis has argue that nothing about that personal relationship is disqualifying. she's argue that trump and his codefendants are just using these allegations essentially as salacious distractions, to

try to muddy the waters and scuttle the case against them by creating a lot of public relations nonsense about this issue, that has no legal consequence. that said, there was a hearing today on these allegations, and the judge in this case in georgia said that these allegations against district attorney willis could result in willis being disqualified from the case. and as such, he said he definitely wants to hear evidence on these allegations. on thursday of this week. so, it all makes for a very, very busy week, in terms of the legal part of our political news now. but it also puts district attorney fani willis in quite a spot. i mean, regardless of what you or anybody of might think about willis's personal relationship with this prosecutor, and whether she did anything legally wrong here, the only person whose opinion really matters on that right now is the judge. and today in court, he did make clear, he did say explicitly that he thinks she might be disqualified from this case, because of these allegations.

now the key dynamic at work around this is that if fani willis is disqualified, fairly or an fairly, her whole office, the whole district attorney's office is disqualified from working on that case. which would mean in all likelihood, that whole case would go away. and that is why georgia state university law professor clark cunningham argued in the new york times last month that the best. -- in his rig -- defense in georgia will be for her to take a leave of absence for. to take a personal leave of absence, from the district attorney's office, or -- a deputy district attorney, that would end these proceedings against, or effectively. and, it would leave her office in charge of the case. and the case could still go forward. we contacted professor cunningham about this today, these new developments. he told us quote, this action, meaning personal leave by district attorney willis, should be looked at strategically, as the best

option she has to make this enormously distracting controversy go away, and to put the case back on track. still in the control of the fulton county d.a.'s office. if judge mcafee grants any of the motions to disqualify willis at the hearing thursday this week, then her option to take leave probably disappears at that point. now i should also mention the washington post is reporting tonight that trump plans to attend that thursday hearing in georgia, so he can be there in the courtroom, as the details of this personal relationship between fani willis and the other prosecutor are laid out in open court. that should make it all the more of a circus. there will also i believe the cameras in that court proceeding, don't quote me on that. but of course, trump would like to be there regardless. all of that, all of that legal drama that makes up donald trump's week, everything i just explained there, doesn't even make up the biggest legal development of just today. trump, as of tonight, is once

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♪♪ a three judge panel of the federal appeals court and washington d.c. released a unanimous opinion last week, saying that donald trump is not immune from criminal prosecution for his attempt to stay in power after he lost reelection.

and when they issued that ruling, they also tried to box him into what he could do next. they tried to box him into appealing straight to the u.s. supreme court. they said the way they ruled, they said that if trump tried to come back to that same appeals court, if he tried to take make that same court take another turn that case, trump would risk the whole process speeding up, which is the last thing he wants. they said if he came back to the appeals court, just going straight to the -- his trial on this issue would effectively be unfrozen. it would get put back on the calendar, all systems go, he might end up in court sooner than he wants to. well today, donald trump did go the to the supreme court, but he asked them to over rule that part of the appeals court ruling or they were trying to get him to speed up the process. he is asking the supreme court to allow him additional review, from that same appeals court he wants to be able to go to all 11 judges, on that d.c. appeals

court, instead of just the three judge panel that gave him that ruling thus far. and he wants to be able to do that, before he appeals to the supreme court, without risking his trial starting up as punishment. he argued in his filing with the court tonight that this court should stay this unprecedented and unacceptable departure from ordinary appellant procedures, and allow president trump's claim of immunity to be decided in the ordinary course of justice. this presumably, this filing tonight from trump and his lawyers, seems to be their way of trying a bank shot. they are insisting that he should get yet more reviews, in the appeals court in d.c., before he inevitably appeals to the united states supreme court. he is always playing for more delay, always playing for more procedure, always playing for more time. well, how strong is this play? how strong is his case for this? and if the supreme court does grant him what he is asking, what would that mean for the timing of his big federal criminal trial, for trying to

stay in office after he was voted out? joining us now is chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney, senior fbi official. chuck, it's great to see you, thank you so much for being here tonight. >> my pleasure rachel. >> did i explain the basics of that correctly, that he is trying to effectively get the supreme court to take away that rushing tactic? that tactic by which the appeals court was trying to tell him you've got to end this appeals process at some point, and get to trial? >> yes, good description. i mean, think of it conceptually this way. three step ladder. step one would be the trial court, that's where the prosecutors want to be, that's where a jury would be seated, the trial would be conducted, in the verdict rendered. prosecutors want to be there, and mr. trump does not. step two on that latter would be the appellate court, where he recently lost unanimously on his claim of absolute immunity. and what he would like to do now is either be on wrong number three steps, three, the supreme court, or back in the appellate court. but by all means rachael, to

avoid step one, the trial court. >> what do you make of the strength of his argument, and the strength of this filing overall, into this approach? >> well there are different arguments. so the underlying argued that he has absolute immunity, i think is a weak argument. it's been hurt twice now, once at the district court level, once at the appellate court level. the total of four judges have ruled on, all four have agreed to there is no merit to it whatsoever. procedurally however, that is like you say, a bank shot. he wants to try and have another shot at the appellate court, on bank, with all of the judges sitting together, all 11, and hear his appeal yet again. and if he loses there, not to go back down to the trial court, but then to go up to the supreme court. what do i make of? it i don't think it's very compelling. i think everyone understands what you outlined, that in the ordinary course of justice, and as slow as possible. and i hope the supreme court

does not grant that portion of that request. >> in terms of, i know it's always folly to predict any courts decision, particularly the supreme court. but, do you think that there is anything that we saw at work in their consideration of his ballot eligibility case, the oral arguments that we saw on thursday. is there anything to extrapolate from, in those arguments, and what we saw of the justices and their approach to these matters, that might help us predict how they are going to handle this part of it? >> you know, and i think so rachel, i hope so. in the case you mentioned, on the 14th amendment, was put an expedited schedule, briefing occurred quickly, argument utter -- i imagine we will have a relatively quick decision. so, if the supreme court hears to that philosophy, they could move this absolute immunity claim quickly to. such that i still think it's possible. i am somewhat bullish, that he could be tried at wrong one of the latter, in trial court,

district court, before the election. but that turns on a lot of ifs. >> chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney, former senior fbi official, and excellent explainer of hard things. chuck as always, thank you so much for being with us, it's always great to have you. here >> my pleasure rachel, thank you. >> we'll be right back. thank you. >> we'll be right back. trappinn endless craving loop. nicorette reduces cravings until they're gone for good. when people switch their dog's food to the farmer's dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there's no magic involved. (dog bark) it's just smarter, healthier pet food. it's amazing what real food can do.

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