we have breaking news on a tragic story in minnesota. this is what we saw just moments ago outside a minneapolis hospital where officers and medical workers were saluting there to fallen police officers as well as a first responder. those people responding to a domestic call in a nearby city of burnsville when gunfire broke out. we'll have a lot more for you in the details in a live report straight ahead. that's right now go to today's other top stories, a woman from florida is missing right now in spain. friends and family of anna maria-ness of itch say that she has vanished after a man disabled security cameras with spray-paint at her apartment two weeks ago.

smith serious -- authorities not commenting on this investigations yet. back in the u.s. there are growing concerns about a double homicide in the university of colorado dorm room. police have not identified any suspects in friday shooting and are not saying whether the victims were students. in the special sunday service today, joel austin's lakewood church -- security officers and first responders after last sunday's shooting. this is the shooters seven-year- old son who was shot in the head in the gunfight remains hospitalized in critical condition. in just moments msnbc's own joy reid is going to join me to talk about the mountain of money donald jump has to pay up in his legal fines and fees, plus her new book. medgar admirably. i bid you all very good day from los angeles, welcome everyone to alex witt reports. breaking news now adds -- following the death of alexei

navalny. new video shows -- interested in moscow, at least 400 have been detained. something of a cat-and-mouse game between mourners and officials at st. petersburg have officials removing flowers laid in tribute to navalny, and mourners quickly adding new ones to make a makeshift memorial. also new -- with a growing chorus from both sides the political aisle. that congress should approve funding for ukraine's fight against russian leader vladimir putin. >> our job right now if you talk about avenging the death of the hero navalny if you talk about anything for our democracy and for our economic partners across the world it is to get the security package over the line. >> president biden told putin if something happens to navalny you're gonna play a price. president biden, i agree with you. the price they should pay is to make russia state sponsored terrorism like iran, cuba, and

north korea. they deserve this designation, putin has been killing people opposition leaders for decades now. >> well one politician who's not commented publicly on navalny's death, gop presidential run front runner donald trump. he's coming to focus on his legal troubles. >> the country, the clay's is a complete and total sham, it's a sham case. there were no victims, no default snow damages, no complaints, no nothing. there is nothing. >> sounding the alarm, a popular radio host shares his concerns about the upcoming elections. >> do you think trump is going to win? >> i don't know, but that's what's scary about it, right. because when you look at everything he's done, the attempting coup of this country, but the supreme court judges on who got rid of roe v. wade, takes credit, said i am the one who got rid of roe v.

wade. says me, i did that. when you see all of that it really shouldn't be close, right? >> well we've got reporters analysts, and nbc joy reid ready to cover all of these big developments for us, we're gonna begin with nbc's jillian frankel -- early voting is already underway. julian, you have the republican party in michigan who has been dealing with plenty of its own internal chaos ahead of this primary. is it totally prepared, and tell me what we're hearing from voters? >> let's start with the trump piece of that first, alex. the former president was on the ground here in michigan last night, railing against that new york civil fraud piece, criticizing the attorney general the judge calling that case a total sham. that's not the only legal drama he mentioned last night. he also criticize fulton county district attorney fani willis, accusing her of financially profiting from her relationship with the special prosecutor nathan wade. he also said there's a double standard between his case, his

classified documents case and president biden's. i spoke with voters at his rally last night about these legal cases and what it all means for the election. take a listen. >> my mother is here she's 93 years old. she wants to live to vote for donald trump. she says that every day. >> we want to bring back the america, the way it used to be. i've been through many elections and this one has been the rocky asked, but i am for trump 100%. >> and you heard it there alex trump's most ardent supporters often agree with the former president that those legal cases are nothing more than a witch hunt. heading over to the michigan gop side of things you're right it's been mired by infighting. there are two people claiming to be the state party chair, the rnc has not weighed in saying it's peacock struck who

also receive trump's endorsement but christina crimea who has held deposition says it's not up to the rnc, she said she's maintaining her position and she's also maintaining control of the state parties email accounts so all of this is leading to serious confusion heading into the caucuses on march 2nd. alex? >> okay, we'll be watching marc second very closely. thank you so much, julian. joining me right now, joyce vance former u.s. attorney now law professor at the university of alabama, school of law. she's also an nbc news and nbc legal analyst and co-host of the sisters ahmaud cast. and look at you here, we have joy reid, host of the read out on -- she's also the author of the new book medgar and are merkley, medgar evers and the love story that awakened america. i've read excerpts, i'm so excited to talk to you about it. but first, joyce. we're gonna do the legal thing. trump is looking at astronomical legal fines and fees. just from the recent lawsuits

he's filed and all those lawsuits have been filed against him. what actual math you think he's going to need to put up to appeal the latest ruling from judge engoron? >> astronomical is right. alex it's not just the amount of judgment, he's also got to pay pre judgment interest on the amount that was awarded's. that means he's looking at someplace just north of 400 and $55 million as a total amount the bond that will be required if he wants to pursue an appeal will have to be sufficient to guarantee that entire payment. that means we're talking about very likely haven't to liquidate assets to get their. there may be some accommodation because of the high dollar amounts but this is not going to be an inconsequential bond when things shake down. >> what is that usually? it's usually 10% or more? four bonds? >> so you know, it can really

vary. it's a matter of state law, this is a state case and it's a civil case, federal appellate bonds are a little bit different and we've looked at that sort of situation in other cases, but typically the rule in the situation like this is you have to get a bond that secures the entire amounts of the judgment against you, which means that you have to have that collateral on hands. that is increasingly a problem for donald trump because much of his collateral's played against other loans. it'll be very interesting to watch how this develops. >> yeah, for sure. so joy new york attorney general letitia james pointed out that every day americans can't lie about their net worth together mortgage or get a college loan, but trump continues to protest that there was no crime and no victim. why are the victims of this lost on trump? >> right. the reality is his own former lawyer michael cohen was prosecuted for taking out a

second mortgage on his own home from a bank that he paid back because he was taking out that loan to give stormy daniels $130,000 to cover up an affair that she had with donald trump. and so if his own former lawyer should be prosecuted for that, and could be by his own attorney general, who then rim present him because he wanted to write a book and when it refused to do it, there's all sorts of irony there. the reality is, this is something that gets prosecuted all the time when it's an ordinary person. donald trump has lived outside and above the law for his entire life. he's gotten away with not paying his taxes he ran a sham university that took a long time for the state of new york to unravel, and he's gotten away with it for so long i think he's just used to impunity and then assume that the presidency gave him even more. >> yeah, while things may be changing now because joyce you have donald trump who last

night attacked fulton county d.a. fani willis following the evidentiary hearing last week. this from a legal perspective is my question. did trump -- prosecuting that georgia election case? >> no. there's absolutely nothing there, this is all been a lot of smoke and an effort at character simpson a shunt against willis. no one's defending her judgment in having a relationship with someone she was working with, but that is not the issue for the court to decide here. it's whether, under georgia law, she should be disqualified from the prosecution. that requires some form of a financial conflict of interest. georgia law is pretty clear to disqualify a prosecutor in a case like this you would need to show for instance that they had some sort of an inappropriate financial interest in the outcome of the case and that's not what was shown here so judge mcafee should, there'll be a little bit more testimony next week he

certainly giving the defense in trump's codefendants every opportunity to make out their case but there's not really any beef here. >> okay, but joy, playing devil's advocate here what happens if trump and his codefendants are successful at getting willis removed from the case. i'm curious what your assessment is and what kind of domino effect that would create. >> i think obviously it would cradle trump wants, which is delays. there's no way on the facts, he would win any of these cases. he would be convicted because there's tape of him asking for 1100 thousand x number of votes to steal the election in georgia. what he wants is for a disqualification to result in what's happened in a similar case in georgia where it's been 18 months and the state has still not reappointed a new prosecutor. i have to add here that not only is there no case here but in stretching to try to create a financial incentive that apparently they're trying to allege fani willis would have

had to prosecute 19 people for trying to steal the election somehow for a financial incentive in order to go on vacation with her not even current boyfriend that is a fellow prosecutor? number one, how insulting is it to try and alleged that this prosecutor created a case that essentially is about the attempt to steal votes of georgia voters for financial incentive, number two to try to say that she required money to go on vacation with this other prosecutor is absurd, it is insulting i think every woman who watched her testify to the fact that she's got her own money a man is not a plan she said. she was rightly insulted and angry at the insinuation. as a black woman i think a lot of people like me watched it and were insulted on her behalf, and very proud of her for standing up for herself. the last thing i'll say is i am old enough to remember the oj

simpson case, and i highly doubt that oj simpson would've had a case to say that marsh clark and one of the other prosecutors that i kept members name they african american prosecutor who later admitted they were in a relationship at the time i highly doubt og simpson would've had a case to say that prosecution was invalid because of that. >> yeah. point well taken on that. let me ask you quickly, joy about the supreme court on trump's immunity claims do you expect chief justice roberts to decide quickly on whether not to get involved and to effectively delay trump's d.c. election trial? >> this seems to be the easiest case that the supreme court has ever had in front of them, and i'm not a lawyer, joyce is a greater expert tonight i clearly on that but if you read the case underlying it the idea that donald trump would have absolute immunity and his own lawyers arguing that that would include being able to use s.e.a.l. team six to kill his political opponents that is a no-brainer and i hope that the supreme

court will be expeditious in affirming what should be obvious to every american, that no person is above the law and that the president is simply citizen trump after that term is over and that donald trump absolutely does not enjoy absolute immunity, it would be absurd. i would think on this and on the case of whether he violated section three of the 14th amendment it's clear that he did but the supreme court is as we no, they don't seem to make clear cases strictly on the constitution, sometimes they are politicians and so we will see the politics of these two cases are but it seems clear that at least on the immunity question this should be open and shut and they should affirm it. i don't think they need it because the d.c. circuit was clear, but i think would be nice to have the supreme court affirm that president cannot kill his political opponents using our military. >> what do you think, joyce is going to be the greatest influence on the supreme court as it weighs this immunity request from trump?

>> i think joy discusses exactly the key fact if trump has immunity for the conduct that he engaged in and that he's charged with here then there's very little that's off the table and this example that he could for instance direct government assets to assassinate political allies would be the result of a ruling in his favor so the only real question here is not about how the supreme court will rule it's about how quickly they'll do its. right now the issue that the special counsel has teed up is the right of the american people to a speedy trial trumps lawyer say that's not the case trump is entitled to lots of time to figure out a way to defend and the supreme court will have to decide between those two different points of view and really it's a decision about whether or not we are continuing to be a democratic nation where presidents can be held accountable just like anyone else can. >> joyce, it seems like the hush money trial in new york that might be the first criminal case to get started,

it's scheduled mark 25th and our colleague mark -- trump is not going to try to delay this trial because he can spin any outcome to his benefit out on the campaign trail. do you agree with that? >> well it's tough to spin the outcome of a trial from prison and of course we don't know whether the judge would be inclined to take him straight into custody if he is convicted or if he would get an appeal bonds, but i suppose that's one dynamic there but look it's one thing to spin a case before it's tried, it's an entirely different thing after the fact. there will be reporting, there will be transcripts of testimony from witnesses and there will be a jury of donald trump's peers who will pass judgment on whether he is guilty or not, we know the jury verdicts carry great verdict for the public, there are polls when a number of republican and independent voters have said they would be turned off from voting for the former president if he is convicted in a case so

watch trump to say that this case is insignificant, that is an important, that it's a witch hunt. the reality is this is a case about election interference and donald trump trying to keep key facts away from american voters on the eve of an election. i think the outcome of this case if there's a conviction will be monumental and donald trump will have a lot of trouble spinning it away. >> yeah, i want to thank you joyce, enjoy wanda -- i also watch the oj simpson case, and it was darden, it is christopher darden that was the attorney with marshall clark in the l.a. d.a.'s office. anyway, thank you very again joyce -- can get all the new deeps on your book medgar and nearly. that's coming up shortly. meantime we have some new information of the death of alexei navalny, four back in 60 seconds. back in 60 seconds. charmin ultra strong cleans better with fewer sheets and less effort. [inaudible] a subway series footlong.

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in russia after the kremlin confirmed the death of alexei navalny. according to a prominent rights group, those arrests have taken place at several memorials across russia, where hundreds of mourners have been paying tribute to navalny and other victims of political repression. let's bring in peter baker, msnbc political analyst chief white house correspondent for the new york times, and author of the divider trump in the white house 2017 to 2021. welcome my friend. navalny's wife is calling on the kremlin to release her husband's body. what are you hearing about that, is -- is there any indication that they're gonna do it? >> of course they want the body to find out what happens the problem is you can't trust the russian authorities. they say that he simply fell down and collapsed after a walk in the outdoors with arctic prison where he staying that's not what anyone expects it is a true or false story, and they want to be able to examine their remains in order to find out the truth.

this of course is not new for navalny's family. when he was poisoned in russia with novichok, which is a very lethal poison that is controlled only by people like the russian governments the doctors there basically tried to cover it up and they had to take him to germany to find out what was really wrong with him, what it really happens. i think there are very eager to get the body back in order to discover the truth. >> but if what you're saying is true it is likely that they won't get it anytime soon, is that a fair something? >> we'll see. i think the concern is the longer you wait the more it could be hard to determine what the truth is, at the very least it could delay things, they would like a prompt resolution to that. >> so you studied and written a book about putin peter. is there reason to believe he is directly responsible for navalny's death since all signs

suggest navalny was healthy the day before he died? >> he certainly looked the day -- video from a courtroom appearance, he was laughing, making jokes. he looked a little emaciated compared to where he has he's been -- isolation during his time there, that would take a toll in anyone, they did not obviously treat him well in prison and it is true that people in russian prisons tend to find that their health deteriorates that's both a consequence of the treatment there and also us deliberately tempt to harm and or potentially kill problematic prisoners by the russians, and vladimir putin orders southern or know about exactly, we don't know. but as president biden said the other day putin is responsible because of course he is the reason why navalny was in prison in the first place, he's the reason why navalny was put in the conditions in which he died, even if he died of poor treatment in prison but was not

directly murdered this condition that he was put in were a consequence of his nemesis vladimir putin. >> donald trump is facing some backlash for doubling down on the notion that if he were president he wouldn't stop russia from attacking any nato allies that didn't contribute enough towards their defense. in one of your new articles peter you said that president biden should send his predecessor a thank you note for the stunning statement. why is that? how did this helped biden out as you put it? >> it's a matter of politics, we're not talking about the geopolitical consequences because obviously biden's concerns of a former president of the united states say that about russia. that sends a bad message, in biden's view to the rest the world. i just got back from munich when i was traveling with vice president harris and if you listen to the europeans their they're very worried about whether or not america is going to stand by the commitments it sad for almost 75 years to the nato alliance. but a matter of politics it's a

helpful to president biden because it took attention away from the conversation that had been leading up to that comment by president trump about president biden's age. instead of talking about whether or not the current president was too old to be no oval office we're now talking about the former president who want to be president again is too reckless to be in the oval office. that's a comparison that biden likes and a comparison that he thinks he can make on the campaign trail framing the choice. yes biden may be old but trump is dangerous, and old. >> okay. that's right 77 himself. so the u.s. is signaling it's going to vote no on the u.n.'s upcoming vote demanding an immediate cease-fire in the israel-hamas war. how is the biden administration weighing their international obligation to israel with all the political bash clash that is facing at home especially as the humanitarian crisis in gaza continues going from bad to worse? >> you've heard some frustrations on the part of the president in recent days about

prime minister netanyahu's conduct of the war there. he said just the other day that it's been over the top, he's had a couple phone conversations last week -- he impressed the prime minister not go into rafah without a credible point for protecting the million or so israeli palestinian civilians who were there and then he went there because israelis told them to, so that frustration is increasingly clear on the part of the president that does not mean he's going to support a cease-fire. he doesn't believe in this u.n. resolution because he thinks that israel does have a right to self defense does have a right to retaliate for the terrorist attack of october 7th, he just wants them to do it in a different way. >> okay, peter baker, as always such a pleasure. thank you my friend. the stinging setback from the republican impeachment cases against joe biden joe bide . vaporize sore throat pain.

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it has been a terrible day in burnsville, minnesota after a deadly shooting there.

two police officers and first responders were killed while responding to a domestic violence call. we're giving you right now an aerial view of a procession that has begun. you see there there are some buses and cars following that, and this is a procession honoring in some fashion at this point those two and that first two police officers and the first responder. there's going to be a lot more to come on that. but first of all let's get more on what exactly happened, and that we turn to nbc's george soliz. what have we learned about this? and the thing i found most disturbing about the last report was your description of a swath of vehicle there which we know are these hugely arnold vehicles and it had huge bullet holes in its that indicated some pretty heavy gunfire. >> that's right, alex. and the images more more harrowing as we see this procession this is something that law enforcement usually does to pay homage and respect to their personnel that is lost and in situations like this, tragically, but we have learned

a last our alex is that officials are going to be how old in a briefing, something that they described as a critical incident including the loss of life of public safety personnel reacting to the two officers in that first responder, still unclear whether that was a firefighter or medical or some combination of the two, but again we're expecting that news conference at four pm central five pm eastern and i want to have you play a little bit of sound from some of that radio call that we just obtained, painting the picture of what these officers ran into, what's been described as a domestic violence call. take a listen. >> and that ambulance to 33rd avenue. i need to additional ambulances. i think -- to patients. >> again this was a very heated exchange from what we can tell. there's exchange of gunfire again referencing that swathe

vehicle, that heavily armored vehicle that sustain those bullet holes. that was that one scene. then you have the second scene at the hospital where a number of first responders and police agencies from around that region came to be we're expecting some update about that whether that's where those first responders were taken and you can see some of the show of force there as the officers and first responders salute, i also want to mention alex that i was able to speak with someone who claims to live about a mile from where all of this took place this morning about 5:00 central 6:00 eastern. describing some the chaos, saying he wasn't sure what gunshots or flash bangs or some kind of commotion says nothing ever like it in this very quiet little neighborhoods, this is my conversation with resident dylan how who says he lives about a mile from where this all took place, alex. >> about 5:40 this morning i heard a lot of sirens coming outside my window, so i opened the window to get a gauge of

where they were heading and i heard a few loud bangs maybe amid apart. i'm not sure that those were gunshots they might have been tear gas or flash bangs or something, but i hopped on the police scanner for dakota county which burnsville is in, and i heard reports of shots fired near bristle parkway. >> you can imagine alex, just how harrowing it is to hear something like that unfolding out your window and not really sure what direction some of the shots may be fired. it's also been seeing a lot of reaction from officials, you see governor tim watts uses senator -- we're now expecting that press briefing five pm eastern here, we're gonna learn a whole lot more about this horrific incident. alex? >> which probably, or may at least include have we heard anything about the reason for which this call was made it was a domestic call and i believe

you're last hour reporting you said that the family was in danger. do we know what is happened to that family? >> yeah, those are some of the questions that we are working to track down, that was according to the governor who is saying this was the call of a family in danger, some of the reporting say this was a domestic violence call so some clarity there on what this call would have been that these first responders ran into but of course as they usually do right into the line of fire which ended of course in this horrific tragedy, alex. >> tragedy, for sure. all right thank you so much, we'll expect some more information as you get it. in the meantime there is new reaction today after the house republican impeachment investigation into president biden could be imploding. a key fbi informant is set to be in court on tuesday on charges that he lied to the bureau about president biden and his son hunter's ties to a ukrainian energy company, burisma. nbc's gary grumbach is on capitol hill for us what are you hearing from the lawmakers today, gary? >> democrats view this is game over for the sprawling biden

investigation into president joe biden, his son hunter, and their family finances. they believe they want to continue to do the oversight of the american people say they say deserves, as it relates to gun violence as it relates to the fentanyl crisis in this country and they would like to have a put it stop wasting time on this particular investigation. republicans on the other hand say this is just a mere bump in the road on their investigation of the biden family. here is what representative mike turner told christian -- on meet the press. >> you voted to support this impeachment inquiry, do you think it's responsible to continue this inquiry given these charges against this fbi informant? >> absolutely. this inquiry and, it is an inquiry is based upon actual bank records documents, transactions of money large sums of money, and doing an inquiry is to how these by

funds got to the biden family from international sources, china, russia, ukraine, that is certainly an issue debt congress needs to take up. >> now as much as democrats like it to wrap up, republicans don't appear ready to do so. they've got interview scheduled with james biden, the presidents button brother, and hunter biden in the coming weeks. alex? >> okay, thank you for keeping an eye on that for all of us. new advice for president biden over who he needs to start leaning on, with less than nine months to go until election day. months to go until election day. with nurtec odt i can treat and prevent my migraine attacks all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion and stomach pain. talk to your doctor about nurtec today. i have moderate to severe crohn's disease.

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new today, prominent radio host charlamagne tha god talking about his fears over the presidential election, and concerns about president biden. >> he's just an uninspiring candidate. there's nothing about joe biden that makes you want to listen to him that's why he should be

leaning on his vice president kamala harris, whose way more charismatic than him he should be leaning on many surrogates. >> do you think trump is going to win? >> i don't know but that's what's scary about it. >> i want to get him in adrienne elrod -- senior aide on the 2020 biden harris campaign. welcome, my friend. what do you make of charlotte mains comment? does president biden need to lean more on his surrogates? particularly his vice president? >> i think he is, alex and, i disagree. i think president biden is an inspiring, especially when you look at all his accomplishments and what he has achieved. i think he's inspiring when showing empathy to families who have gone through tragedies, i think he's inspiring but i think he's also leaning on surrogates like kamala harris like, members of his cabinet because he wants to get out there and share his story tell the message about what he's done as president, what he will do in his second term and vice president is an incredibly effective on reproductive

freedom tour, i think you're gonna see more of that where she's talking about the distinct choice between where president biden where vice president harris stand on abortion rights versus donald trump who despite his leaking that he supports the 16-week abortion ban he doesn't. he's the one who put three supreme court justices who were staunchly pro life in their hearings and absence overturned roe v. wade, he's made it very clear that this is where donald trump stands on that issue so i think you're gonna keep hearing more from the surrogates as the campaign continues to heat up. and look i think the more we can hear from the vice president harris the better. >> listen in the meantime let's be a bit more of what charles amin said, here's that, adrian. >> do you think trump is going to win? >> i don't know that's what's scary about it, right? because when you look at everything he's done right. attempting to of this country, putting the supreme court judges on who got rid of roe v.

wade takes credit says i'm the one who got rid of roe v. wade, me i did that, when you see all of that it really shouldn't be close right? >> so look, is he right? because he's essentially saying that nobody is taking the trump threat as seriously as they should, even if it's early. is the biden campaign doing enough on that front? >> the bandit campaign is certainly taking the threat of donald trump seriously but no i think charlamagne tha god is exactly right, everything he laid out he really laid the case of why we have to make sure that president biden and vice president harris are reelected to the presidency. the contrast could not be more clear, and when you hear someone like charlamagne tha god who is such a major influence over millions and millions of americans, he's got a huge fan base of people who tune into a show, it's really important for people like him to be making the case as well not just the surrogates and president biden's cabinet and not just the never trump surrogates out there, but

people like him who can really make that case because he's able to bring in a completely different audience and while charlamagne tha god is not traditionally unofficial surrogate for the campaign he someone who obviously cares very deeply about this country and when you have radio hosts like him who are making the case about what's at stake in this election, that certainly helps the biden harris ticket. >> yeah. let's look at what happened this week which was we saw democrats flip a house seat with tom sweaty's win in new york. how much should we take away from that. this was a special election, there was some pretty bad weather out there, likely affecting turnout, but should it give democrats some confidence going into november especially in suburban areas? >> it's really said, alex. this is a seat that democrats held and then president biden won the seat by eight points in 2020 democrats lost a seat in the midterms of course and weekend it back and we didn't just gain it back by a couple of points weekend back by a relatively wide margin. it is the typical traditional

swing seat that i think right now gives us a snapshot of where we are in this country. it also gives us a road map on what issues are working how to approach certain issues, for the presidential election for the general election. for example, trump swansea ron -- that's what we should be doing going into 2024. he ran an offense on the economy very proud of the accomplishments that president biden and the administration has made on the economy making clear the our economy is strong, maybe not everyone is feeling it but inflation is going down the gdp is at an all- time high really laying out the case to go on offense on the economy so what he did is he approach the issues very effectively and gave us again a roadmap for what president biden, vice president harris and other down ballot candidates can do going into 2024. >> okay. adrienne elrod, always good to see you, we'll see you soon. you know that feeling when you hear great news about a

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>> and suzanne you are -- you are number one on new york times. >> our own joy reid reacting to becoming a new york times bestselling author for her latest book titled medgar and myrlie: medgar evers and the love story that awakened america, it tells the story of civil rights leader medgar evers and a lot of activism, and sacrifice he shared with his wife marley before he was killed in 1963 by a white supremacist outside his home in his car port in mississippi. back with me now is joy reid. such a huge congratulations. before we get to this, though. can i ask you quickly i know that you recently interviewed charlamagne tha god, and listening to what he was saying

about the low energy and about the concerns in the fears about donald trump, just give me your assessment of going at it because -- david jolly took about five seconds when i asked him that any said here's the deal it's trump and his biden we have to get on board he didn't think that the negativity or that assessment of weakness was helpful. >> you know, i think both things can be true at the same time. i think the biden campaign needs to be real about the fact that he does face a challenge in terms of enthusiasm among his base. that's just a real thing chalamet has wet 3 million listeners to his morning radio show he's not making that up he's hearing that on the air as people are talking to him i hear it out here in the world's people are talking about it, the concerns are real and i think the white house is trying to dismiss them and sort of just create this aura of

enthusiasm when in reality what the enthusiasm is's not having donald trump. it's making sure donald trump is not president, i think that's an absolute truth and then of course if you talk to the tom -- the people who do those numbers the fear of an abortion ban is also very motivating for democratic base voters. i think things are true, i think there is a lack of enthusiasm for a rematch of trump v. biden these two older white guys going at it again i think there's not a lot of enthusiasm for that rematch. but what biden is operating with is they failed to create a core enthusiasm on his side and they're -- the enthusiasm is all about donald trump. and gaza he has a real challenge not just with arab american muslim american voters but also with black voters who are not down with his gaza policy. i think they have now pushed enough their economic accomplishments that people feel it and know about it, things like student loans are not pushing enough that the people realize that he's done

that and all the accomplishments he's had there. i realize -- there is this feeling of discomfort with the sense that we're back in and rock war middle east wars counter era, which is not comfortable for people. i think it's real, and i think there are concerns about age which is bizarre since donald trump is the same age basically, and sometimes doesn't know where he is. >> he's 77. if donald trump were to win if he were to win donald trump would be the oldest inaugurated president in history of the united states, people forget about that. we're here to talk about your book, which i'm so excited about. you have said that medgar evers legacy was overshadowed because of the tumultuous year, 1963 in which he died. and though we know significant civil rights moments in history, we don't necessarily know as much as we should about his role in them. talk to us about why you chose to write this book now. >> i just read the book, and it's interesting because i pulled up recently the picture

from 2018 when i got to interview marley evers williams in person for the first time, i interviewed her remotely and i really just fell in love with her story and her love for medgar evers. it comes off of her like a normal when she talks about him she still speaks about him like she's still that same 17 year olds first day at all corn university school girl who meets this handsome young man, and she still has that sense of being in love with him even to this day. i just was with her two days ago and she still first of all she's so amazing and wonderful until resident and brilliant but she is in love with this man. even her second husband knew it. so it's that's the reason i want to read the book. it is an incredible love story. i think it's important to take these civil rights icons off this sort of marble pedestal and remember that they were human beings. they were men who so fellow of, who had kids who have lives and families. that whole life is what enabled them to do the activism they

did. >> yeah. this was frustrating to learn though, which i did to the book, it took 30 years and three trials before medgar evers killer was convicted. he had two trials the following year in with hung juries in 1964. 30 years later, 1994. why so long? what changed in those three decades? >> for one thing, the makeup of juries changed. in 1960s in 1963 and 64 when the assassin medgar evers was -- was tried, women couldn't even serve on juries. and certainly blacks, because they are kept the voting roles, we're not on juries. these were all white male juries. the only surprise and 63 and 64 was that the jury hung. typically what happen -- it is perfectly legal to kill black people, up until probably the late 1970s maybe. you just wouldn't be convicted. and it wasn't until you started having juries that had black and brown folks on them, and women on them, that even at a chance of convicting a white man for killing a black person.

the two juries that hung, interestingly enough, only hung because those juries were mixed with some college educated jurors who in -- and some who weren't native mississippians. so that was the mixed jury who caused hung juries, which remained allow the cases to an open. and 30 years later, this is part of the love story. -- byron de la back with, she stayed at it, she stayed with in touch with their friends in mississippi. what do you have new, would you know about this man, and what is he doing. and 30 years later she still had the transcripts from the trial which had been destroyed and gotten rid of. she still have them. when he could not stop running his life mouth overtime, she, through a journalist to reopen information in the case and found the state was helping his defense with that piece of information and those transcripts in her and she was able to push to get that case

reopened, and he was convicted in 1994. >> she was not going to let her husband's killers go free. plus that woman. let me ask you, last question. she became a civil rights activist in their own right, and by the way she's 91 years old next month, pretty extraordinary. but she started out as mentors partner, and then she carried out in her husband's fight. how does she define medgar's legacy, and what do you want people to take away from your book, joy? >> it's a great question, because when we got to see her at pomona college where she actually has her records, her archives when she said is essentially his legacy is the courage to fight for what's right. and having the physical courage which he developed partly as a veteran, having fought in world war ii, but also his physical courage in mississippi which was the most dangerous place to be a black person in america in the 1960s, is that it does take

that courage. and to have that courage you need to have the love of something, the love of country, the love of family, the love of your people. he had all of that. and so i think her message, and i think his message was, it takes love to have courage, but it takes courage to save this democracy. we need that now. this is a time when we see a lot of cowardice out there among people who can afford security but are afraid of a tweet from donald trump. we need to develop the courage to fight to keep this a democracy because we've never been at a greater risk other than in the 1960s in that era, a falling into pure faster chisholm. >> okay, with my thanks and congrats, my sister from another mother, joy reid. and for all of you be sure to pick up joys book medgar and myrlie, it's now on sale, you can obviously watch the readouts, -- that seven pm eastern on here on msnbc. new outrage in israel, why protesters are calling on

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new today, in the israel- hamas war these really government formally approving its opposition to palestinian state, prime minister met in yahoo accusing the u.s. and other nations pushing for a two- state solution of attempting to unilaterally force a palestinian state on israel. this after netanyahu said pulled out of negotiations for a cease-fire and release of hostages without consulting israel's war cabinet. joining me now is jonathan declan whose son soggy declan is among the hostages held right now in gaza by hamas. jonathan, my heart goes out to you and i want to ask you how your holding up? >> i think a can speak for pretty much any of the hostage families, we do the best we can on a day-to-day basis. we need to stay strong for our loved ones, and for those

people like my daughter-in-law -- his wife and three little girls, we need to stay strong and we need to keep fighting until all the hostages are home. >> have you gotten any information, any status about whereabouts, condition, anything? >> well as you might recall in late november and early december a group of about 100 hostages were released by hamas. women and children. about 40 of those people were from my kibbutz, from my home. over 80 hostages were taken by hamas -- some of the women and a couple of the teenagers had seen him in the tunnels of hamas a few days before the release. so we do know that as of late november soggy and others from our kibbutz were in fact alive. but since that time we've heard

nothing at all from studied and other than a few people who have appeared in hostage videos since then shown to the world by hamas we have had no signs of life so whatsoever. >> the brings me to this because hostage families have become increasingly outraged at prime minister benjamin netanyahu for not doing all he can to free the remaining hostages. i'm gonna read some of what he said about that yesterday here is the quote. >> this negotiation requires a full stand, the demands of the hamas are delusional they wanted to the israel -- but when hamas drops delusional demands we can move forward. we will continue fighting until all goals are achieved. and then sir, last month relatives of hostages even protested out over -- lack of progress. how do you think netanyahu is handling these negotiations to release soggy and the other hostages? what are the communication with the israeli government been like? communication with

the israeli government been like? ongoing talks between hostage families and the israeli government. the israeli government is pursuing its policy. unfortunately, i believe that the policy of moving forward solely by military action until such time as israeli soldiers knock on the door in some underground bunker and even released the hostages, that's kind of fantasy. at that point, all of the hostages will already be did. therefore, whether or not the ruling coalition likes or c understands it, there must be some kind of negotiated process in order to get the 133, we hope, hostages who are still there a home and alive on their to feed but ernot in boxes. there is no solely military