out of office, speaker mike johnson is under mounting pressure, after sending the house on a two week recess as critical aid for ukraine hangs in the balance. donald trump puts america's allies on edge, and a budget shutdown looms. congressman andy kim of the house foreign affairs committee, and former dnc chair howard dean join me live to discuss all of this and more.

fanny feedback. america's reaction to the fulton county d.a.'s fiery testimony this week, and what it says about race, gender, and her case against donald trump. i'll talk about it with maya wylie. and, again -- designer b. michael is here to discuss the incredible looks he cried for the iconic actress sicily tyson, and their unique bond of friendship and fashion. i'm jonathan capehart, this is the sunday show. ♪ ♪ ♪ many of you will be off for the presidents day holiday. a one day respite from work. but if you are in congress, it will be day four of a 14-day recess. lawmakers bolted town so fast they left behind a long and hefty to do list that has major implications at home, and abroad. a list that will only grow more

urgent as each passing day. when the house returns on february 28th, speaker mike johnson will have only three working days to avoid a partial government shutdown on march 1st. but right now, there is a stalemate over critical aid for ukraine, because speaker johnson will make it abundantly clear that he will not bring to floor for a vote the sentence 95.3 billion dollar foreign aid package that passed, with a staggering 70 votes. on friday, president biden blasted the republican-led house for skipping town, before sending vital support to our allies. >> history is watching the house of representatives. it's failure to support ukraine at this critical moment will never be forgotten. it's about time they step up, don't you think? they said they're going on a two week vacation. two weeks? they're walking away. >> this sentiment was echoed more starkly by ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy,

at the munich security conference. >> we all must -- do not -- something, but everything possible, to defeat the aggressor. please, everyone, remember that dictators do not go on vacation. >> grim battlefield news coming out of ukraine, highlights the urgent need for american assistance. ukrainian forces have confirmed their withdrawal from the eastern city of -- , located in central donetsk. the retreat is a major battlefield loss for ukraine, in its war against the russian invasion. a loss the biden administration is directly blaming on, quote, congressional inaction. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel explained earlier why this could be a turning point in the war. >> the russians are advancing on the front line. and now, with -- it is the biggest russian advance in the last year.

so, it is symbolic, but it is a symbol of things that are shifting here in russia's favor. >> and this setback for ukraine is unfolding as russian president vladimir putin appears more emboldened than ever. hundreds of people have been detained across russia for attending memorial gatherings after the death of the kremlin's most outspoken critic, alexei navalny, in a siberian prison. president biden pointed the finger directly at the russian president, saying quote, make no mistake, putin is responsible for navalny's death. putin has yet to comment on navalny's death. you know who else, has been silent, donald trump, the putin apologist and republican presidential front runner who is doubling down on encouraging russia to, quote, do whatever the hell they want to our nato allies, if they don't contribute enough to defense funding. joining me now, democratic congressman andy kim of new jersey, and member of the house foreign affairs committee, and candidate for the united states

senate. congressman kim, thanks for coming on to discuss the -- sunday show. will the death of alexei navalny put more pressure on congress to get aid to ukraine? >> well, it should. it should, because it highlights just the dangers that are out there. and, especially on this coming effort, the roughly two year anniversary of the russian invasion of ukraine. it really highlights the battle that is fought. but i will tell, you a lot of my colleagues in the house of representatives on the republican side, they really don't want to go forward in this direction. and they are putting our national security at tremendous risk. >> a bipartisan group of house lawmakers has also unveiled a 66.3 billion dollar alternative proposal, that includes border provisions, and only military assistance to ukraine, israel, and taiwan. what do you make of this alternative, does it stand a chance? >> well from what i've seen so far, the speaker continues to go down this very reckless and

dangerous path of just stalling anything and everything, when it comes to ukraine. so i am not sure exactly where it is going to go. i think it shows that bipartisan support is there. if he brought it to a vote, if the speaker brought it up to a vote, it would have, in terms of ukraine aid even on its, own it would have enormous support across the board. so it's really a speaker, and a small minority of the republican party that is really holding this up right now. >> yeah, and congressman kim, the new york times reports today that at the munich security conference, discussion about ultimate plans to arm ukraine, quote, include the possibility of having germany, among others, by american arms and deliver them to the ukrainian front, if congress does not find the money. would you support a clever move like that? >> well look, right now there is so much at stake, when it comes to ukraine. i mean, this is vital right now. i will certainly be open to a number of different avenues. but it just shows how

diminished american global leadership is right now, and just how much damage the republican party is doing to our standing. i mean, i can't tell you the number of world leaders and other officials from other governments i talked to, that are just honestly saying where is america? the main question they say is, is america a reliable partner? and honestly, they say the answer to that is no. and so, that is something that is deeply alarming to me, and it is something that is going to be affecting our ability to handle other crises around the world to. >> congressman kim, if speaker johnson does nothing, democrats can use the legislative tool called a discharge petition to force the senate's foreign aid bill onto the floor, if they can get 218 backers. there is a broadly worded discharge petition that already exists, but it still leaves a handful of more lawmakers to sign on. two questions. could that be used? and have you signed on to that discharge petition already? >> it could be used. we have to be able to find

enough republicans that are willing to buck donald trump and bucked the seat -- speaker right now. and i'll be honest with you that is hard going. we have a lot of cowards in the house of representatives right now in congress right now that are unwilling to do that despite again how much damage is doing to our credibility to our leadership and to our national security. so i hope that we are able to find every tool, and that is certainly one that i would be supportive of. but we've got to make sure that we get the votes that we need to to get it to pass. >> so that means you have signed on to the discharge petition? >> the discharge petition hasn't moved forward just yet. but it is something that we, are again, engaged in conversations about. with republicans, to see whether or not there will be enough to support it. >> okay, i will take that as a yet. congressman andy kim from the great state of new jersey, my home state, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> and joining me now to continue the conversation, howard dean, former democratic governor of vermont, and former

chairman of the dnc. chairman dean, great to see you. the biden harris campaign is jumping on trump's attacks on nato, listen. >> for 75 years, nato has been the most important military alliance in the world. it's been the cornerstone of americas security. it's how we won the cold war, and defeated the soviet union. every president since truman has been a rock solid supporter of nato. except for donald trump. trump wants to walk away from nato. he's even given putin and russia the greenlight to attack america's allies. >> i would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. >> no president has ever said anything like that. it's shameful. it's weak. it's dangerous. it's un-american. >> governor dean, will this resonate, will that message we just listened to and watch, will that resonate with american voters? >> yeah, i think they're going to be a number of factors that when joe biden the election.

and that's one of them. we've never had somebody who you could probably accuse of treason, become the president of the united states. on the freewill of american voters. i know there are a lot of people out there who just want to kick the government in the butt. but the fact is, the government is protecting us from people like putin. and if you think navalny was the last person he's going to poison wait till he gets his hands on the united states of america. so this is stupidity, in addition to the crack pot-ism and the republican party seems to be composed of two kinds of people. there are about 10% reasonable thoughtful people that i may disagree with, and 45% crazy people. and the other 30% or 40% are cowards. you know, you've got to stand up for america, your job is not to stand up for donald trump or some other politician. stand up for america, and do what's right for a change. on the issue of abortion, the new york times reports that trump told his advisers and allies that he likes the idea of a 16-week national abortion

ban. and the times reports today on the front page, this headline, trump's allies planned to bolster abortion plants. don't these revelations keep the issue alive for democrats to use against republicans up and down the ballot? >> they will be used against republicans. and furthermore, i don't believe trump, trump's for a 16- week abortions while he is running for office. but the people behind him want to eliminated and ban it all the time, with the article on the front page of the suggesting that we use an old -- -- act to make abortion illegal everywhere in the country. you can't, i am shocked by the amount of harm that the republicans are doing to this country. i am shocked. and if you think the economy is going to get better under donald trump, you are big mistaken, big time. it is going to get a lot worse, because people are going to start taking their money and investing it in a stable country, which doesn't kowtow to dictators. >> on another issue governor, there was also a report from

the washington post that u.s. immigration and customs enforcement has drafted plans to release thousands of migrants, due to budget shortfalls, that congress has failed to address. in other words, inaction will make border problems even worse. how should the biden administration of prepare for this? >> you take a page out of tom suozzi. tom suozzi won that election and took over a republican seat, because exactly because of the actions of the republicans in congress. when you put the well-being of your lunatic campaign for president above the well-being of the country, you made a big mistake. there was a tough immigration bill that went to the house, and nothing has happened, because donald trump didn't want it to happen, and the republicans don't have a backbone between all 100 and whatever, of the 218 of them. they don't have a single backbone, that is willing to stand up to donald trump and do its right to the country. we do need to tighten immigration laws, we need to separate -- we don't need to

separate children from their parents as trump was doing. but we do need to tighten the border. and the republicans apparently are not interested in that, as long as they can have an election issue. i have never seen a candidate who comes as close to treason, and who's been president of the united states as donald trump. >> and to be clear, that senate bill that speaker johnson won't bring to the floor for a vote will provide the funding that would make it possible for ice to do its job. governor, one more question for you. the south carolina republican presidential primary is, it will be in six days, the upcoming saturday. if nikki haley loses her home state, should she and her campaign? >> i think that depends. you know, i don't know nikki haley, i've never met her. she did a credible job as a united nations ambassador, and she certainly understands the world, unlike trump. so what i would say is, having been there before, you can't tell somebody, you can't tell somebody when to end their campaign. she is going to do that and figure that out for herself, far be for me to advice or what

to do. she will feel when the right time is to end it. >> howard dean, former chair of the dnc, former governor of vermont, thank you as always for coming to the sunday show. >> thanks jonathan. >> and a programming note, for saturday, join us at four pm eastern, when jen psaki and i will host special coverage of the republican south carolina presidential primary. and then, at 6:30 pm eastern, rachel maddow will lead our analysis of the results, with steve kornacki and the big board. all of that next saturday, right here on msnbc. but up next, why fiery courtroom testimony from fulton county d.a. fani willis resonate with many black women, and what's at stake in the georgia election interference case. i'll break it all down with maya wylie, after the break. w maya wylie, after the break. with a dreamy honey taste nyquil honey, (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data.

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trying to steal an election in 2020. i am not on trial, no matter how hard you try to put me on trial. >> oh funny. fulton county district georgia district attorney fani willis was one of several witnesses at her own misconduct hearing, as donald trump and his codefendants tried to get her disqualified. her fiery testimony -- has already sparked intense conversation about race and gender in american culture. joining me now, civil rights attorney maya wylie. she is the president, and ceo of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. maya, thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. >> always a pleasure. >> now to my mind, the sound we just played of d.a. willis was a turning point in testimony, reminding people who actually is on trial, and why they are all gather together in the courtroom in the first place. what did you think? >> well, i thought that was exactly right. and a reminder about what is actually at stake. because remember that we are talking about georgia, georgia is the state where not only did

trump's attorney, rudy giuliani show up and make false statements, both testifying in front of the state house. but also a video that ended up endangering the lives of two black women, who were public servants themselves, plus the fake electors scheme. we even know that there were folks that decided not to show up as electors, at least four of them, because it was so shady. and it was a context in which the former president himself at the time had called the secretary of state, trying to find votes. >> 11,780 votes. >> correct. so what we say here is, this is an effort to try to get a case, if not delayed, then through -- there's no evidence of disqualification, so we should just take that off of the table. but the massive distraction, and the politics of the way

they are playing the defense, here i think is very much what we saw at play in these hearings. now, it's a judge that is going to decide, but as we, know there is a constant effort to portray defendants in these cases that took actions and make decisions, all on their own, but as victims of a public servants charge, which is to decide and bring to jurors, right, there is a grand jury that decided that there should be indictments here, not the district attorney herself, the grand jury, that these people should be held accountable, and be called to account before a jury of their peers. that's what's at stake here. >> now you said a moment ago that you don't think that she will be disqualified. but let's just for the folks who might be curious. if she is disqualified, what happens, what happens to the case? >> well the case doesn't necessarily go away. so what happens if she's disqualified, and i do want to

say why she won't be. but if she were to be disqualified, there's actually a committee that makes a decision about where to shift the case too. in other words, it will go to another district attorney. but what that means is that that district attorney, with people worry about is well, another district attorney could make a different decision about what to do with the case, about whether to keep all of the indictments, whether to drop some of, them -- . that, that's a lot of speculation about what another district attorney would do. i suspect with all of this evidence, there would still be a prosecution of some people. but i just say, this disqualification is not going to happen, because they don't have evidence to disqualify. >> so you know, d.a. fani willis had some other choice things to say, let's listen. >> i'm very much -- so i am not -- . i very much wants to be here. but let's be clear, because you lied, and i want to tell you which one you lied about here. i think you lied right here.

no no no, this is the truth judge. and it is a lie, it is a lie! i don't need anything from a man, a man is not a plan, a man is a companion. i don't need anybody to foot my bill's. the only man who's ever foot my bill's completely is my daddy. >> now, we played that mash-up, because to me, what we were watching was a legal moment, but also a cultural moment. what did you think of not just the mash-up that you just showed, but of her testimony overall? >> well i mean, so much of i think one, she is saying i am not afraid to be here. that was part of what she was saying is, i am not afraid here, and don't get it twisted. well [laughter] and i think we also saw a woman who wanted to stand up, and obviously stand up for herself. and i think the reason it is such a big cultural and important conversation in this

moment is because black women have been struggling to get respect, be seen for their competence, and who they are. but also, to be recognized in their professional positions. she is the first black woman to be a fulton county district attorney. i mean as of like 2015, 95% of district attorneys were white men. so, this is, this is both about how she wants to be seen, as not only a professional, and as a competent prosecutor, but also as someone who is able to take care of herself, and who will stand up for herself. >> you know, robin -- my washington post columnist colleague. she had a traffic -- it was in the actual paper yesterday, where she writes about willis. she sat in the hot seat like it was her thrown. and she was ready to slice off some heads. i knew that it was going to be on and popping when she set

after she walked in, she said oh no, i'm ready to go now. go ahead. >> so, one of the things that we have seen in cases in which donald trump is a defendant, is intimidation. and intimidation with words, and oftentimes words that are also racist. and if you are a black prosecutor going up against donald trump, we have heard the racism, animal, peekaboo. which rhymes with a racial slur. so, part of i think what we are seeing with fani willis here is, i am not going to let you think you are doing that to me. and remember, she was being attacked back in the summer, and she told everybody it's good, we are just going to keep our heads down, and do our jobs. so we are seeing a very different fani willis today. >> maya wiley, -- number one, thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. >> thanks for having me. >> after the break, it is that

time again, sounding off with my sunday panel. first up, how liz cheney says history will remember house speaker mike johnson. we will discuss this, and more, next. we will discuss this, and next.

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mike johnson could, if he wanted to today, announced that he is going to call the house of representatives back into session. he could put the bill already passed the senate onto the floor of the house for a vote tomorrow. it could be on joe biden's desk by tomorrow night, in the aid could be flown to ukraine. history will back at this moment, and ask what did mike johnson do? he ought to understand that it -- is if he has to lose his speakership, in order to make sure that freedom survives, in order to make sure that the united states of america continues to play its leadership role in the world. >> that was former wyoming congresswoman liz cheney this morning, on house speaker mike johnson is refusing to do his job, and how history may remember him for it. joining me for a another round of sound offs is molly jong-

fast, special correspondent for vanity fair, host of the fast politics fault podcast, and an msnbc political analyst. basil -- junior of -- at hunter college, in a democratic strategist. and stuart stevens, a senior adviser to the lincoln project, and author of the book, the conspiracy to end america, five ways my old party is driving our democracy to autocracy. thank you all very much for coming back to the sunday show. stuart, let me start with you, and get your reaction to what former congresswoman liz cheney was saying about speaker johnson. i mean, will he have the courage to put a speakership on the line, to be on the right side of history? >> well, mike johnson says that god picked him to be speaker. maybe that's true, maybe it's not, but we do know that vladimir putin picked donald trump to be president. and we also are pretty confident that god didn't pick

vladimir putin. so this is really a historical moment. i think this is going to have repercussions for the next generation, in really unimaginable. this thing will pass, if they bring it up. i don't know mike johnson, i don't know what kind of person he is. i know that he says he has supported ukraine. but this is not theoretical, you basically are asking how many ukrainians, innocent men, women and children, and brave soldiers fighting, are going to have to die for mike johnson's conscience? and it's as stark as that. it is a moment unlike any we have had since pearl harbor, in america. >> >> if we do not defend ukraine, russia will certainly murder many more innocent ukrainians, and could very well take ukraine, and we could be fighting in warsaw within this decade. >> basil, and molly, i want to play a little bit more of what liz cheney had to say today, on

cnn. let's listen. >> when you think about donald trump, for example, pledging retribution what vladimir putin did to navalny's what retribution looks like, in a country where the leader is not subject to the rule of law. and i think that we have to take donald trump very seriously, we have to take seriously the extent to which you have now got the prudent wing of the republican party. i believe the issue this election cycle is make sure that the putin wing of the republican party does not take over the west wing of the white house. >> and basil, that is the way i think democrats should be talking about the republican party now. the putin wing of the republican party. >> that's right. and i think with liz cheney is trying to say is if somebody tells you who you are, you believe them. >> how you believe. and >> how many times has donald trump told who he is, but there are republicans who want to say oh, he is not really serious. oh, we will moderate him overtime. that is not going to happen, you were talking about mike

johnson not doing his job. the man who said that, let's see what happens if i pull out a gun and shoot somebody on fifth avenue, you've got to believe that he will push and push and push, and test as far as he can go, because we've seen it already. so i have no problem trying to, for the democratic party, for aid, including to go out there and say this man is dangerous, and belief. >> molly, i see you scribbling down. [laughter] what are you writing? >> well the good news is i have such bad handwriting, you could -- never [laughter] . but what i was going to say was, he's very brave. and if you watch the rest of that program, you had tim scott on there, trying to defend the absolutely indefensible. and there were so many of these republicans on this putin arm of the republican party, who are willing to do anything to protect donald trump. and then here you have liz cheney, and she is out there. and i'm sure it is not a very comfortable place to be where she is right now. and she is really like it's

very, i don't agree with a lot of her political beliefs, but she has taken a very courageous stand. >> you mentioned senator tim scott, who was on one of the shows, and i saw some of the comments he made. and i was like, the man's human nyquil, i can't, i'm not going to play any of his sound. but i do want to play sound from senator lindsey graham of south carolina. he was on face the nation, talking about support for a bipartisan border deal, and a border national security -- . just listen to this man. >> i am saying that the house proposal, it depends on how it is written, makes perfect sense to me. i think you'll pick up 6 to 8 republicans who want to help ukraine, but believe that the bipartisan border bill was not sufficient enough. president trump says less -- on the border with all due respect, we cannot wait. it is a national security nightmare. >> stuart, help me understand, for all of the reporting i have

seen, senator graham was at the negotiating table for the bill that he then voted against. and the bill that he says, it depends on how it is written, is the one that is the 60 something billion dollar bill. that's a nice little caveat there, it depends on how it is written. can you believe anything that comes out of senator graham's mouth anymore, these days? >> you know, it's really really difficult to find a more pathetic example of public -- then lindsey graham. i mean, parents look at lindsey graham, tell your children don't become that. he spent his entire career with john mccain, and now he's spending this part of his career with donald trump. so, he knows what is at stake in ukraine he knows that the united states has a larger military than the next nine countries combined. he knows that we are spending less than 5% of the military budget on ukraine, and 90% of

that is spent in the united states. so why in the world do we have -- the budget of this size in the military, we could do both, and it is such a false choice. between the border and ukraine and israel. it's just, this is what being the world's only superpower, and a vastly wealthy country, and enabled you to do. you don't have to make these choices, you just have to be an honest human being, and responsible, and act like you are elected to govern. >> i mean, that sounds perfectly reasonable to me. there is just way too many people on capitol hill for whom that is just a bridge too far. all right, don't go anywhere, much more to talk about with my panel, including nikki haley throwing some serious shade on vice president kamala harris. that's after the break. vice president kamala harris. that's after the break. st. jude is hope that you have a chance at life. and it goes such a long way for every child diagnosed with cancer because the research is being

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i'm so proud. at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you're an owner. setting up the future for the ones you love. that's the value of ownership. we are back. molly jim fast some is -- basil smikle junior -- stuart stevens, a senior adviser to the lincoln project. i had to set up. nikki haley, throwing some serious shade at vice president kamala harris. listen to what she had to say on abc's this week. >> we are gonna have a female president of the united states. it will either be me or will be kamala harris. and if donald trump is the nominee for the republican party, he will not win. every poll shows that. he will not win.

and we will have a president kamala harris. i'm not gonna allow that to happen. >> it's a little macabre if you read into what she's actually saying there. and now, listen to california senator laphonso butler, which he had to say about nikki haley in her, well, what she's doing. >> i think that ambassador haley is unfortunately perpetuating the dog whistles of divisive politics. america has demonstrated that they are ready, willing, and able to support candidates who are experienced, more qualified, and you have the interest of the american people at heart. and that has been vice president harris at every turn. >> that was senator laphonso butler on inside with jen psaki earlier today. -- kamala harris is not a liability.

she may be the democrats best weapon. explain yourself. >> well, first of all, you know what concerns me is nikki haley, a governor who couldn't even say the word slavery, is using this dog whistle to basically continue to try to suppress african american women who have done so extraordinarily well not just at upholding the democratic party, but this country broadly. we just saw that with fani willis the other day. incredible example of how, when they come after you, that's how you pushback. that's how you clap back. and so, there are two concerns i have. one, that this dog whistle might not just have risen with the -- but my concern is that there are so many rulings -- language gets picked up and thrown back at us. so i've tried to argue in that piece that i want to see more of kamala harris who uses

sports analogy -- she needs more wraps. she needs to be put out there more and more and more to go talk to constituents. there's that intersectionality that's within her, being able to talk to women's issues, people of color. why not just have her out there doing more of that? because i think she can speak directly to those constituencies that so many pockets of democrats have concerns over. >> listening to basil, i'm sitting here thinking -- it's not like the vice president is just sitting around doing nothing. she is going out there, meeting with constituencies, giving speeches, hard-hitting speeches. the problem is, the media don't cover her. >> i mean, i had such a great example of this the other day. i was at a dinner party with a bunch of really smart people, and there were saying, why don't they ever put joe biden out there? and i said, this week, he did a press conference. he was on a trip. he was with the king of jordan. i mean, i said he was on about navalny. i played the clip, and i was,

like where is this from? and i said, c-span. c-span is the only one who covers it. in the mainstream media didn't cover when the vice president went to -- and they >> screaming, yes. >> and they loved her. and you never saw any of it. >> and when she went down to tennessee to because of the state legislators that were expelled, phenomenal speech. >> it's the best political speech she is given as vice president. >> absolutely. so, yes i think she's the democrats secret weapon. part of being the secret weapon is that democrats shouldn't be pulling her down either. because that is what republicans used to talk back at us, and that is our draft now. >> the innate sexism and racism that is meeting her at every turn cannot be understated. it is just so pervasive. >> stuart, i know you're still here. i've been ignoring you. but i would love to get your

thoughts about, basically, this democrat on democrat violence here, against the sitting vice president. >> i don't get this. harris -- sitting dea, which is not a easy thing to do in san francisco. she was elected attorney general, never an easy thing to do. she was elected a united states senator, and she's vice president of the united states. if that's not a record of tremendous achievement, i don't know what it is. more people have voted for her than any woman who's run for office in the history of the united states of america. i agree, totally, that i think she's been a good vice president. it's always hard to be a great vice president. what does that mean? >> right? >> listen, i think that her versus nikki haley, i think she would absolutely wiped the floor with nikki haley. secret service talking to nikki haley? because it seems to me that

she's predicting the death -- >> thank you. >> what did she know that the rest of us don't? look, nikki haley was elected governor of south carolina. so is john thurman. i think -- [laughter] [inaudible] [laughter] >> that is a good point. great point. >> there's no need for anyone to say anything else. stewart did borrow some language from another msnbc show, you get the last word. stuart stevens, basil smikle junior, molly john bass, thank you all very much for coming back to the sunday show. up next, the author of a new memoir celebrating the life and style of the late oscar winning actress cecily tyson. designer b. michael joins me in studio to discuss how the hollywood icon became his fashion muse and good friend.

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designs. joining me now is fashion designer b. michael. his new memoir, news, sicily tyson and me -- a relationship forged in fashion. michael, thank you for coming to the sunday show. >> thank you. i'm excited to be here. >> tell me more about the outfit that she wore on stage at the academy awards. how did that come together? >> so that outfit, after she called me, hysterical, joke is that when i created her tony dress, i told her, i pray to god for vision for the dress. so she said to me, while, you went to god for the tony's, so where you going for the oscars? [laughter] but the dresses made of a vintage fabric for -- oat could sherman mr. dior was designing. and it's 144 pieces. each had to be's watched separately, and maybe about 100 hours of work went into the dress. >> holy smokes. we see it right there.

she's so incredible, how beautiful she was. and i don't think a lot of people know, she used to be a model. >> she started her career as a model. and i love that. which meant there was no dress i presented to her that she was afraid of. wide sweeps, it didn't matter, she can handle it. >> you also addressed missed tyson for her presidential medal of freedom ceremony. talk to me about that red ensemble. i love this dress. >> i love it, one, because it was a daytime event, so it was one of the rare opportunities -- i loveday clothing. and so, this is a fabric that is a british -- and i thought red because it's, you know, we're going to the white house. but just autumn red. and also, because your sharing that day with so many others, you don't want to do something that's just like, i'm the only one in the room, but it still needed to be stately and elegant and celebrate the moment. of course, she was excited to be in that white house and receiving that metal from that president. >> president barack obama.

>> obama, yes. >> in the picture in the back of her was her in that red ensemble on the red carpet inside the white house. you also styled missed tyson in an afro. i believe this was for the 50th anniversary of the voting rights act. >> the police center. >> yes, it was the paley center. what was the message behind that look? >> it was -- we used bags as accessories, but there were times when we wanted to make a very specific statement. and she loved that, you know, the whole organic, natural look. and the fact that i could do it and then pair it with such an evening ball gown type of silhouette, i love how we put that together and how she was able to execute it as a mannequin. it was totally fabulous. i loved doing that. >> in the two minutes i have left, i'm gonna try to squeeze in three questions. of all the designs, over 15

years, do you have a favorite? a favorite outfit you divide for her? >> the oscar dress, which we just talked about, would be my favorite, absolutely. >> your favorite. >> yes. >> you write that you're very first news was a grandmother. i did that relationship prepare you to work with miss tyson? >> you know, my grandmother, as many grandmothers too, had this vision, clearly, and star who i was before i could even understand it. she cultivated me, and she gave me responsibility, and pulled out my creativity, you know, i am just so grateful for that today. >> and miss tyson, as i mentioned in the interview, she was amuse, but she was also year really good friend. what would she like out of the spotlight? behind the scenes? >> you know, we did lots of laughing, lots of eating, but you know, she also would teaches lessons in terms of, you know, what it meant to

happen tension, and to do your work with excellence, and to be loyal, and family, all those wonderful things that i still cherish, and that we move forward and, you know, it's our charge now to make sure that we impart that to the next generation. >> b. michael, i should know the book by heart because i have it at home. it's beautiful. the name of the book is muse, sicily tyson and me, i relationship forged and -- >> absolutely. >> that will do it for me today. thank you for watching. remember, watch special coverage of the republican south carolina primary standing at four pm eastern saturday, when a host alongside jen psaki, we hope you'll join us for that. don't forget to follow us on x, instagram, tiktok, and threads. are there any other social media platforms? the handle is weekend capehart. don't go away, eamonn welcomes

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