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>> he wishes he was herbert hoover, who ranked significantly higher than trump in a new historians poll of the best and worst presidents. our president historian michael beschloss will join me. also on this moral monday, waking the sleeping giant. bishop william barber joins me on his new effort to mobilize millions of poor voters. plus, more anti-abortion lunacy from the right as the alabama supreme court rules that frozen embryos are children. as trump reportedly pushes for a 16-week national abortion ban. but we begin tonight with courage versus cowardice. in the days since russian opposition leader alexei navalny's death was announced, ordinary russians are picking up the mantle of courage even in the face of a crackdown from the regime of russian dictator vladimir putin. across russia, more than 400

people have been detained at tributes and memorials to navalny in the most significant wave of arrests since protests against the war in ukraine in september of 2022. by risking arrest to mourn the martyred opposition leader, navalny's supporters provided a fitting tribute to the man who returned to russia knowing he would be arrested and probably killed, but who never gave in to evil. even as his last months in a siberian gulag took its toll, navalny never lost his sense of purpose or his sense of humor. "the new york times" reports confined to cold, concrete cells and often alone with his books, navalny sought solace in letters. he wrote to one acquaintance in july that no one could understand russian prison life without having been here. adding in his deadpan humor, but there's no need to be here. now that navalny is gone, his supporters show he'll live on as a symbol of their resistance to

putin. a resistance that also lives on in another top opposition figure, vladimir care amerser, serving a 25-year sentence for criticizing putin. even from his solitary cell in a prison colony, he can see putin's weakness in the upcoming election. there's also the stunning bravery of alexei navalny's widow who accuses the kremlin of hiding her husband's body to cover up his murder. she released a video today vowing on to carry on her husband's fight against putin, selling supporters, i am not afraid and you shouldn't be afraid. by speaking truth to power at the risk of becoming putin's next target, yulia navalny, just like her late husband join in the company of the heroes of our american civil rights era, like

the reverend martin luther king jr. and malcolm x and medgar evers in a previous generation who chose courage in the face of real oppression and violence and imprisonment, and yes, certain death. yulia also joins myrlie evers williams who has continued her martyred husband's civil rights work for more than 60 years after his death. contrast that with republicans in our country who continue to genuflect to a man whose reaction to navalny's murder was to make it about himself. in his first comments on social media, nearly three days after navalny's death, the former president related his own legal woes to the russian patriot's death. donald trump used his screed to fearmonger about what he calls our failing nation. and there's legitimate reason to be afraid, of donald trump and his repeated pledges to take america down the same path of autocracy as his beloved vladimir putin in russia. only with less self-awareness.

a former official in trump's white house told jonathan karl for his book that trump lacks any shred of human decency, humility, or caring. he's morally bankrupt, breathtakingly dishonest, lethally incompetent, and stunningly ignorant of virtually anything related to governing, history, geography, human events, or world affairs. he's a traitor, and a malignancy in our nation and represents a clear and present danger to our democracy and to the rule of law. we have already seen the fruits of the danger of donald trump, not just in his supporters' attack on the capitol on january 6th but last week, when former georgia governor roy barnes testified that he declined to serve as a special prosecutor in trump's georgia election interference case. why? because of threats. >> i told d.a. willis i had

lived with bodyguards for four years, and i didn't like it. and i wasn't going to live with bodyguards for the rest of my life. >> there were even republicans in congress who told their colleagues that fear is what stopped them from voting for impeachment against trump. after he incited an insurrection. senator mitt romney told the atlantic that a republican congressman confided in him that he wanted to vote for trump's second impeachment but chose not to out of fear for his family's safety. the congressman reasoned that trump would be impeached by house democrats with or without him. why put his wife and children at risk if it wouldn't change the outcome. another one of the few republicans willing to tell the truth about trump, liz cheney, has also said republican colleagues told her they voted against impeaching him out of fear for their lives. on sunday, she slammed republicans for following trump on his threats against nato and

the extended silence following the death of alexei navalny. >> when you think about donald trump, for example, pledging retribution, what vladimir putin did to navalny is what retribution looks like in a country where the leader is not subject to the rule of law. and i think that we have to take donald trump very seriously. we have to take seriously the extent to which, you know, you have now got a putin wing of the republican party. i believe the issue this election cycle is making sure that putin wing of the republican party does not take over the west wing of the white house. >> joining me is michael mcfaul, former ambassador to russia, and charlie sykes, msnbc contributor and columnist. thank you both for being here. i want to start with you, michael, ambassador mcfaul. i guess because i finished writing a book about medgar evers and myrlie evers williams

it's on my mind, this idea of courage in the face of what is near certain death. people who stay or go into a place where they know that they are physically at risk because of their love of country, love of their family, just love of good things, of good. and of right. alexei navalny went into russia knowing he would likely be arrested, knowing he would likely be killed. he's that kind of figure. what do you make of how alone he sort of is in terms of american conservatives who i think a generation ago would have been lauding him in his sacrifice but today are largely silent? and tell us what was he like, what was he like as a person? >> joy, to your first question, i'm glad you brought up those historical examples. that's exactly the kind of person we should be comparing alexei navalny to. and you're right, he knew the risks. i was talking to him right before he went back.

he knew exactly the risks you were talking about. the greatest burden he had to be honest was not about himself but about being the absent father and about being the absent husband that he knew was likely to happen and the burden on his family. it was not about his own fate. and tragically, that burden has become even greater, though as you noted, yulia has already decided she's going toplay the role of leading this movement. doesn't surprise me in the least. and she's a very strong, competent, capable person to do so. it's just tragic she has to do so under these circumstances. you know, with respect to alexei, that's a big question. i would say a couple things. you know, i knew him for a long time, but because of politics like when i was ambassador, we never met once because it was bad for his political career. we would joke about it, and we ran into each other one time at an anniversary meeting for the moscow times. but he didn't want to be accused of being a puppet of the united

states. after i got out of the government, i became closer to his family because his daughter goes to school here at stanford. i just saw yulia the night before alexei was killed in munich and i talked to her the day after and saw her. and getting to know them, i would say this is a world historic figure. you don't get a chance to meet many in life x i have in my time in life. i also write about them because i write about democracy movements and i teach courses on democratization. she's one of those figures. he had the intelligence, charisma, extremely funny. he was extremely principled. and courageous. and he knew that his ideas were better than putin's ideas. and yes, dictators can kill individuals, but they can't kill ideas. i'm confident in predicting, i don't know when, but i'm confident in predicting his ideas will prevail over putin's ideas in the long run.

>> perfect. it was medgar evers who said you can kill a man but you can't kill an idea. he embodies the same thing. let me go to you, charlie. donald trump had the nerve, and it is pretty -- it takes a lot of nerve to compare yourself to alexei navalny, who sacrificed his life for his country because he is a patriot of his country. donald trump tried to overthrow the government of his country. he might do better to compare himself to putin, when he himself has argued through his lawyers that he has the authority and right as president to use s.e.a.l. team 6 to kill his political opponents. putin just used a prison to kill his political opponent, allegedly. you have people that he praises like viktor orban, that's who he respects, people like xi jinping in china. people like kim jong-un in north korea. that's who he respects.

how dare he? those are his friends, that's who he likes. what do you make of the fact he dared to compare himself to somebody who martyred himself, was a martyr for the betterment of russia? >> well, it was obscene. as the ambassador pointed out, alexei navalny represented two things very starkly, i think last week, number one was what real genuine courage looked like. and two, highlighted the existence of evil in russia today. and vladimir putin represents not just authoritarian force, but he is a murderer. a murderer who has been defended and befriended by donald trump. when liz cheney talked about the putin wing of the republican party, she's talking about something that has flowed directly from its leader, donald trump. and how obscene is it that donald trump spend so many days unable to even mention navalny's day while he was hoching tacky

gold sneakers. just another reminder of the absolute moral bankruptcy that was described in jonathan karl's book, where you have this world leader who has been martyred, murdered by vladimir putin, and all donald trump can think about is how can he make it about himself? how can he cast himself as a victim? how can he associate himself with a man of this kind of courage and vision? which he utterly and completely lacks. one of the things about donald trump is his inability to recognize the heroism of others, the courage of others. can't recognize it in john mccain, can't recognize it in navalny. so what he needs to do is tear it down and make it all about himself. this was one of those moments where i think if we were not aware of the stakes of this year's elections, that it does involve the putin wing of the republican party possibly getting back into the white house. the events of the last several

days i think have highlighted that in really stark and dramatic terms. >> absolutely. let me correct myself, mulay is of argentina, the one like trump. i think they're doing abortion bans and such. it's venezuela that wands to invade guyana. to go back to you, ambassador mcfaul, the republicans seem very reluctant to help ukraine defeat russia. and you know, like the old soviet union that putin would like to put back together, degrading their military by ukraine without a single u.s. soldier having to lose their lives you would think would be agreed upon by everyone to be good national security. russia can't beat ukraine outright. and it seems like republicans want to help ukraine lose. what do you make of that, and do you think navalny's death might change some of their minds and make them stand up to putin? >> first, thanks to both of you for using the word evil.

that's right. putin is evil. and this is a fight between good and evil, with large, large consequences. if putin prevails in ukraine, i just got back from the munich security conference, meeting with lots of leaders from the eastern part of our alliance, and let me tell you, the specter of the 1930s was hanging over all of those conversations. because first it's ukraine, then it's lithuania, then it's poland. it was michael, americans, wake up. do not repeat this history again. those isolationist tendencies, the lindberghs of the world saying, putting their heads in the sand. they look foolish. go back and read them, don't be that, speaker johnson. that's your fate if you don't take this action now. and the second thing i would say, you know, in fights against good and evil, it's hard when you're far away. what can you do? you feel helpless. i know yulia and people around her, what are they supposed to

do against this evil person, vladimir putin, the day after, just days after he killed her husband? but members of congress have it right in their hands. it's a piece of legislation that's already passed in had senate. they can come back from their holiday and be on the right side of history. and do good against evil. they don't have to do anything. and i met some of those members of congress in munich. and it's striking to me how nobody argues against me when i say that. they're just worried about mr. trump. and i just think you have to sometimes do what's right and worry about the consequences later, and they have this moment. so i just plead with speaker johnson, do the righteous thing. you don't get a chance in life very often to do the righteous thing. if you're voted out of speaker a few weeks later, at least you had your shot to do something good. this is their shot. they need to do it now.

do it for the warriors in ukraine and do it for yulia and all the supporters of alexei navalny. >> instead of that, charlie, here was the reaction from jd vance. quote, we know why muvalny died because we know putin is a brutepal guy, but i knew putin was a brutal guy a year ago and i know he'll be a brutal guy a year from now. mike johnson, as congress debates the best path forward, the united states and our partners must be using every means to prevent putin from funding his aggression against the baltic states, but he doesn't want to do that. you have dinesh d'souza, navalny equals trump. the plan is to insure their leading political opponent dies in prison. there's no difference between the time-out cases. that's what we have got from republicans, charlie. >> well, to dinesh's point, that is complete toxic bs. i'm editing myself here. but as the ambassador said, look, mike johnson has a chance

to actually answer vladimir putin back. he has the piece of legislation in his hand. he is holding back on it because number one, he is unlike navalny, he is a political coward so far. an overwhelming majority of members of the house would vote for that legislation, so he's blocking it because he is afraid of donald trump. he's afraid of losing his job. he's not afraid of being thrown into prison. he's afraid of going on the ash heap, look, he's not going to stay speaker for very long anyway. he has to ask himself, how does he want to be remembered? what is important to him, what are the values he's willing to sacrifice for? so far, it is nothing, but again, it is a very stark moment. by the way, speaking of political cowardice, jd vance refused to meet with ukrainian president zelenskyy because he did not even want to be in the same room with him, did not want to look him in the eye. >> because trump doesn't like him. absolutely. this is a 7 in 10 position.

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more than $400 million to the state of new york from his civil fraud trial, including interest. but in truth, the sneakers which some have dubbed jan 6s, and the cologne, are just the latest grifts in trump's long history of trying to get his faithful fans to hand over their hard earned money so he can do things like avoid using whatever money he actually has to pay judgments like these. in just over the past year, we have seen him hawk digital trading cards with him dressed up as all kinds of characters like a cowboy, rock star, and superhero with a whole different body and everything. he's pushed merchandise with his infamous mugshot photo from his georgia indictment. that one is funny given they feature the slogan, never surrender, when the photo proves he literally surrendered to authorities. i wonder if his supporters see the irony there. from the same arraignment, he's been hawking actual pieces of the suit he wore. and yet his cult following buys it up because who wouldn't want

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when there's a crash, i hope it's going to be during this next 12 months because i don't want to be herbert hoover. the one president i just don't want to be herbert hoover. >> okay, that was donald trump actively rooting against the wellbeing of this country and the american people. saying he hopes the economy crashes this year because he, quote, doesn't want to be herbert hoover. well, trump got his wish. a new poll out today shows he's not herbert hoover. he's actually way, way worse. the poll of historians and scholars ranks every president in u.s. history from best to worst, and while hubert hoover received the 36th spot, trump is ranked dead last. at 45. behind the likes of richard nixon, franklin pierce, even william henry harrison who died

31 days after taking office. joining me now is nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. you have to be pretty terrible to be ranked below james buchanan, civil war failure, and a guy who only lived for 31 days as president. your thoughts. >> i would say so, and richard nixon, who would have been impeached and probably put in jail if it weren't for a pardon by gerald ford, don't you think? >> i would think. >> i have to begin by asking am i actually getting to talk to the number one "new york times" best selling author of medgar and myrlie as of this week? everyone give their congratulations to joy. that's not an easy thing to do, and the book deserves it. >> i think it was your blurb. i believe that's what did it. >> glad to take the credit but i don't deserve it. >> thank you so much, michael. you're a good friend. a good guy. let's talk about these rankings. i'm obsessed with these rankings. i cannot wait for them to come

out every year. i'm obsessed with it. here are the top ten. abraham lincoln, who always ranks at the top. fdr moving up into number two. jefferson there despite the gulag with a slave under his bedroom. barack obama jumps up to number seven, eisenhower, kennedy at ten, lyndon johnson at nine. do you agree with these rankings? ? i have some differences. it's hard to compare presidents across the generations. they all had different problems. different times. they were living in times that certainly ideas were more important than others. i mean, for instance, theodore roosevelt, i don't know when historians are going to wake up to the fact the guy used very racist rhetoric, the 1912 theodore roosevelt progressive party bull moose platform was for segregation of the races in

america. i'm not sure how long that's going to stick. >> right. woodrow wilson always used to get in the top ten. this guy was a horribly racist monster, and he dropped out. he's gone down. interesting in some of the movement. andrew jackson used to get ranked highly. he's gone, dropped out of the top ten, which i think is a good thing. he's now at 21, down 12 places since 2015. as i mentioned, woodrow wilson, he's down five points since 2015. some of those are good. what do you think about the idea of barack obama being so high? he used to be 11 and now he's 7. he's moved up. >> he has moved up and i think he will move up further. as far as andrew jackson is concerned, it shows historians can do the right thing. it takes us a while. he was president in the early 19th century, but a liberal like arthur schlessinger wrote a glowing book about him. lbj had his portrait in the oval

office, but we now, given what people are more justifiably more sensitive to, this was the guy who did to native americans, who was responsible for the trail of tears and was a slave holder. why should he be that high on the list? >> let's talk about joe biden. he's at 15. what do you think ultimately his ranking ends up being? >> it is possible, and i'm not saying he's harry truman, not saying he's fdr. fox news, hold your fire. but what i would say is that people may very well say that there were elements of greatness in joe biden that a lot of people did not expect that were actually rather similar of harry truman, who had decades of experience, loved democracy, willing to make tough calls. >> yeah. and let me show you this. there was a nazi march this weekend in nashville that was reminiscent of what happened in the 1930s. we are in the year that is reminiscent of 1924, the year that the democratic national

convention was nicknamed the klan bake. that was three years before donald trump's father got arrested at a klan riot. so that period in the 1920s feels a lot like today. do you agree with that? >> i totally agree. 1924 was the apex of the power of the ku klux klan in america. half of the democratic delegates at that convention were either members of, leaders of, or controlled pie the ku klux klan. the democratic party in contrast today was a southern racist party. thank god we have come that far, but the nazi and klan are still there. >> the last thing i have to bring up because it is a little fun. so the rankings by republican -- by ideology, donald trump among the republicans who made the rankings, best and worst presidents, they ranked him at 41. the democrats ranked him at the bottom, 45. independents, bottom. conservatives, 43.

liberals, 45. everyone agreed, including the republican rank ers that he's terrible. he couldn't get higher than 41, even with the republicans. what do you make of that? >> i can't imagine why someone who was twice impeached and wanted to suspend the constitution, an insurrection that might have led to the deaths of leaders of congress would rank so low. can i ask a final question? in honor of presidents' day, may i bring you a bottle of donald trump perfume? >> i might actually toss that out or regift. if you bring me that, i might regift. >> no gold shoes. >> yeah, i think not. michael beschloss, we'll regift. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, my friend. good night. coming up, the poor people's campaign aims to wake the sleeping giant by spearheading a new effort to mobilize millions of low income voters across the

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we're going to call this a moral monday. tell me what you're planning on doing and why. >> you just showed that clip, so they say they want to cut this and they stand against raising the minimum wage, what's happening if the sheer size, 85 million lower income voters eligible to vote, some 23 million didn't voes in the last election, and there's not a state, particularly in battleground states where if you were to mobilize 20% of low wage voters who were already registered that you could not overcome the margin of victory. tomorrow, we're going to the state houses because we're doing it at state houses and then on march 2nd in 33 states, we're launching a 42-week effort to reach 15 million poor and low wage voters in a very targeted way. what i mean by that, joy, if you look at for instance the margin of victory in pennsylvania, in

wisconsin, in north carolina, and in michigan, and combine the margin of victory, it's 240,000 votes. if you subtract the 170,000 in north carolina, it's 70,000 votes. the number of poor and low-wage voters in those states who didn't vote is 4.3 million. >> you talked about north carolina. let's go through, this is the numbers we got from repairers of the breach. there are 3.4 million low wage voters including 107,000 latino voters, 26,000 asian american voters, 885,000 black voters, and 35,000 indigenous voters. right now, what is the turnout like among those kinds of voters? because it does seem, you said they account for 41.5% of the electorate in that state. north carolina. >> it's a curious turnout. on the one hand, we turn out, but on the other hand, millions

have not voted. let's take north carolina, for instance. in the last election, the margin of victory was only 170,000 votes for the presidential election. over a million poor and low wealth voters did not vote. if you were able to talk to those voters, and they want to hear about ending poverty. they want to hear about living wages because 40% of that state are people who work every day for less than living wage. they want to hear about where you stand on public education and health care. if you talk to them, which is the number one reason our studies say they don't vote and you mobilize just 18%, not 20%, just 18% of that group that did not vote, that overcomes the margin of victory in the presidential election. the sheer number of this, the fact that there's not a battleground state in this country where if you mobilize 20% of poor and low welt people, regardless of their race, creed, and color around an agenda, that that power could not transform political outcomes.

that's what we see. but it's going to take an effort. that's why we're doing this 42 weeks in 33 states, the district of columbia, every race, creed, and color, religious leaders and others, we're joining together and saying we will not ignore this sleeping giant. what we're saying, joy, is in the 60th anniversary of freedom summer, we need a resurrection, not an insurrection. we need a movement vote and not a political vote. and poor and low wealth people have to recognize now in a democracy, you must flex your power. you cannot sit out. you cannot sit back. and joy, when you look at it, as i said, it's not as though this is the biggest lift in the world. we're not talking about 50%. we're saying if you do 20%, around an agenda, that 20% can shake up the entire political calculus in this country. >> yeah. i would be remiss if i didn't ask your thoughts on what's happening in gaza as rafah is

about to be inundated by the israeli military. >> let me speak to you as a pastor, a bishop. you have to morally be against the indiscriminate killing of women and children and innocent people, period. i don't care hamas did it or netanyahu did it. even if you believe an eye for a eye, which i don't, that doesn't mean you can have disproportionate destruction. but more importantly, the scriptures are clear. isaiah 10 says war onto those who rob the poor and make women and children pray. god hates the killing of innocent people. what we know from biblical history, and whenever kings or rulers got out of hand like netanyahu is doing with all of the killing and what hamas did, prophets have to rise up from right there. the prophets always rose up and

said no. whenever there was innocent killing, and that is a moment where we must be morally right now. >> amen. bishop william barber, thank you so much. i appreciate you. still ahead, an alabama court rules that frozen embryos are children. in the latest example of right wing extremism on reproductive rights. errin haines joins me after this. because there are places you'd rather be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ (sigh)

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and today's up a side of american dystopia, the alabama supreme court has ruled that frozen embryos are, quote, children. the justices are allowed three couples to pursue a lawsuit under a wrongful death of a minor -- frozen embryos. the ruling is rife with religious language from alabama's institution -- prevented god, and their lives cannot be destroyed without facing his glory. so much for separation of church and state. it's a decision that could have very dangerous implications for the future of fertility treatment, and it's a timely reminder that reproductive rights are very much on the menu and this year's election. and comes as the new york times

is reporting that donald trump has privately expressed support for a national 16-week abortion ban. his reasoning for choosing that number doesn't seem to be rooted in anything beyond him liking it because it's around number. you really cannot make this stuff up. all of this again shows that it is never been more important to elevate the voices of women. and the new documentary premiering tonight on previous profiles a news organization with the mission of doing exactly that. breaking the news follows the 19th -- non binary lead newsroom with the mission of delivering diverse reporting on gender and politics. joining me now is our friend errin haines featured in breaking the news as a founder and editor at large. she's also the host of their new podcast. congratulations, aaron. i want to let you comment on this abortion stuff. oklahoma has a right to human life act that defines life as beginning at inception, creates a state database of women who

has abortions, mixed doctors submitted written justification for performing an abortion, and prohibits emergency contraception. >> yeah, joy. this is reality in the two years since the fall of roe. this is the post-dobbs reality. decisions are being made state by state and in the courts, literally, day by day, hour by hour. the situation is changing on the ground for the millions of americans. and that is why we know -- are continuing to cover the reality that abortion is going to be on the ballot this november for millions of women. we've seen that since the fall of roe in election cycle after election cycle. women making their voices heard at the ballot, saying they don't appreciate their rights being taken away. >> a man. now, roll clip. >> some people who you feel like journalists should invite. i, mean i'm a black person before i'm a journalist, so that's not really an option for

me. basically, it just took four hours to vote here in philly. people do all these stories, talking about how it's like, people are in line because it's just worth it for them to cast a ballot. of course it's worth it. their citizens. this is their [bleep] right to democracy. but the idea that this is not also voter suppression -- that's exactly what this is. >> i know that lady. that was you, erin haynes. tell me more about what we're gonna learn in the stock. >> so for the profanity, mom. -- we launched in january 2020, a week before the iowa caucuses. this is the story of the appalachian of the 19th. where a newsroom named for the 19th amendment. you can look it up if you don't know at the 19th amendment is for. everyone should know what the 19th amendment was founded for. but it is also the journey of our democracy over the last three years. so really, frankly, a pretty stark look back at where we have been as a country, and i

cannot say how urgent it feels for me that this is premiering tonight, as we are headed into, once again, a very consequential election for our democracy, for our dissent society, and frankly, for our profession. >> i'm gonna mess up the quiz and tell everyone that we know, of course, the 19th is the right of women to vote. -- i will note that it was 22 members of delta -- incorporated who wanted to join the suffrage march. the massive suffrage mileage to try to get women's suffrage, and were rejected, and even beaten by some of the white suffragettes, and some men who came to say, we don't want black women to be a part of this. so this is about race and gender when we're talking about these rights. and the 19th covers both of those things. >> absolutely. and the asterisk, which is an eye logo, for exactly that, the omission of the black women who stood shoulder to shoulder with white suffragists as they stopped over us on their way to the franchise.

it's a reminder of who remains unseen and unheard and our democracy. women who are half the population, half the electorate, still treated like a special interest group. we don't believe that. we believe that all issues are women's issues. but also, lgbtq+ people, people of color, anybody who steamer remains marginalized in our community, that's who the 19th is focused on. that's who we're still trying to bring into this conversation, into our electorate, and into put dissipating and our politics in this year and all the years. democracy matters, and it is absolutely on the ballot. >> quick final question. this having a woman vice president -- how does that change the way that women you've been reporting on look at politics, if it has it all? >> we have to pay attention to the fact that the most powerful woman in the country is the second most powerful person in the country. that matters. that representation matters. and i think it is helping to shape our politics. >> indeed. erin haynes, brilliant