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please help president trump if you can afford $5 or $10, if you can't afford a dollar, fine, just pray. pray for this country, for this president. if you have any money to give, give it. >> empty your piggy banks, sell your jewelry. trump and company are begging for your last few dollars to pay his bills and judgments. it's the biggest grift in american political history. start a cult and watch the money roll in. also tonight, two critical trump related rulings from the supreme court could be imminent. involving his claim of absolute immunity and on whether states can kick him off the ballot under the 14th amendment. but we begin tonight with a dictator's fears. the body of aleei navalny is still being held, because even in death, vladimir putin is afraid of him. members of navalny's team has said russian authorities claim the cause of navalny's death is

still unknown, and they have refused to release his body for the next two weeks as a preliminary inquest continues. navalny's mother has been standing outside the penal colony pleading directly to putin for the return of her son's remains. shortly after her appeal, police announced a new criminal case against alexei navalny's younger brother, oleg. on monday, navalny's widow created a twitter account and accused putin of a cover-up. elon musk's ex suspended the account briefly for scam or abuse. and you should know that holding a body hostage isn't new for vladimir putin. shortly after fsb agents poisoned navalny with a nerve agent in 2020, doctors refused to release him to a german hospital until the poison had time to work it way out of his system. navalny survived that murder attempt, but putin persists and he got his way this time. and alexei navalny wasn't the

only man putin likely had murdered last week. the body of a russian military pilot who defected from russia by flying a military helicopter into ukraine was found riddled by bullets and run over by a car in spain. he is dead likely because he dared to oppose russia's war in yauk. these murders are yet another reminder of the brutality of the putin regime, which navalny was far too familiar with. while he made it his life's work to stand up to putin's violence and evil, navalny in the final weeks of his life have warned of another threat, another evil, donald trump. according to "the new york times," navalny wrote to a friend recently, trump's agenda for a second term as the american president looked, quote, really scary. after navalny's death, trump dared to compare himself to the martyred opposition leader, claiming that stealing classified material, trying to nullify the votes of 81 million americans, and vowing to shoot

people who object to his policies was tantamount to navalny's quest to bring freedom of speech and democracy to russia. mind you, trump has never put himself in grave danger. he's a physical coward who when called upon by his country to serve in the vietnam war declined because his feet hurt. while america's former coward in chief puts away on a golf course between court hearings while comparing himself to navalny, the reality is much more apparent. trump is america's putin. so much so that he had his lawyer argue that as president, he could order s.e.a.l. team 6, one of america's most elite military institutions, to murder his political opponents. which is literally what putin seems to have just done to alexei navalny. the similarities don't end there. putin and trump both want to twist their countries into the same awful thing. a christian nationalist state.

according to politico, yet another think tank close to trump is working on plans to make that happen if he returns to the white house. politico obtained documents showing that according to the center for renewing america, led by a right-wing extremist named russell vout, christian nationalism is a top priority along with invoking the insurrection act on day one, to quash protests and refusing to spend authorized congressional funds on unwanted projects. thanks to reporting from politico, "the new york times," and axios, we now know that cra and project 25 have a long list of plans for america on day one of a second trump administration. including mass deportations, shooting migrants at the border, full immunity for police to kill at will. gutting the epa, terminating the constitution, bombing mexico, exiting nato, banning muslims

from entering the country, imposing idealogical screenings for immigrants. revoking student visas of those who protest on college campuses against israel. he also wants to dismantle the department of education, enforce florida style patriotic education in our schools, end federal funding of any schools that mention so-called critical race theory, gender ideology, or what people like stephen miller determine to be inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content. they intend to force children to learn about their version of the nuclear family, including the roles of mothers and fathers and things that make men and women different and unique. that's what our kids will learn in trump's christian nationalist public schools while corporations and america's wealthiest men like jamie dimon, elon musk, and every other rich celebrity supporting trump get yet another giant tax cut. or maybe they just cease to pay taxes at all. and i didn't even get to the

national abortion ban trump is planning. and the further plans of the right wing majority of the supreme court. the conservative majority on the court led by samuel alito and clarence thomas have already waged a full frontal assault on modern society. including repealing the civil rights era abortion access and affirmative action, and they are currently gunning for contraceptive access and maybe even gay marriage. and that is because justices like alito and thomas share the religious far right's grievances about society's evolution. alito once complained that in certain quarters, religious liberty is fast becoming a disfavored right while the ultimate second tier constitutional right in the minds of some is the second amendment right to keep and bear arms. why would he care about actual second class citizens like women, the poor, black and brown people or gays, lesbians, and trans people. alito and trump are joined by house speaker mike johnson who according to one msnbc columnist

is the most unabashedly christian nationalist speaker in u.s. history. which means he too wants to basically eviscerate the separation between church and state. he once called homosexuality an inherently unnatural and dangerous lifestyle. if all of this sounds like the handmaid's tale, congratulations, you get it. yesterday, mike johnson made his maiden pilgrimage as speaker to mar-a-lago to pledge his allegiance not to the constitution but to donald trump on the same day trump was voted by historians as the worst president in u.s. history. joining me now is eugene robinson, "washington post" columnist and msnbc political analyst, and steven luvitsky, professor of government at harvard university and co-author of "how democracies die" his latest book is tyranny of the minority. thank you both for being here. eugene, i want to start with

you. you have been an international reporter, you have reported on other countries including autocracies. how close do you feel ours is coming? >> too close for comfort, to tell you the truth, joy. the thing is that let's imagine for a second that donald trump gets elected president again. and does half of the things that he says he's going to do. four years, we'll survive the four years somehow. we'll fight tooth and nail, everything bad that he's trying to do. but in the end, when you lose these norms, when you lose that basic principle, the separation of church and state, for example, when you lose respect for the independent justice system, it's very hard to get those things back. i watch countries in south america that had undergone years of autocracy trying to get their democratic norms back, and it's

really difficult. easy to lose them, hard to get them back. >> yeah, and here's how it begins, steven. it begins with cowards. not just trump, who is a physical coward and tries to compare himself to a very brave man, the late mr. navalny, but also people like tim scott, because tim scott is vowing to say it wouldn't be four years. if he were somehow made vice president, which he's desperate to be, he would do what mike pence would not. here is tim scott. >> i'm not going to answer hypothetical questions. >> you voted to certify the election results in the senate in the first republican debate last year. >> i did. >> you said vice president pence did the right thing. that's still your view, yes? >> i have not changed my view. here's the question, you're asking a hypothetical question you know could never happen again. >> they're all tim scott, all of them, all of the republicans elected now in congress, house, and senate, they would all concede and allow donald trump

to stay in office. how would they ever get him to leave because they wouldn't even try, clearly? >> this is what keeps me up at night. a single leader, even somebody like donald trump, cannot kill democracy on his own. he needs accomplices. and it's mainstream politicians who serve as those accomplices. the fact that the republican party leaders, all of it at this point, has made it abundantly clear that they will condone, they will tolerate, they will accept, they will go along with virtually all of trump's authoritarian shenanigans which is very different from the republican party even a decade ago. all of the critics, even the few people who stood up to donald trump during his first term have been run out of the republican party. and so now the entire party is saying that it is willing to back trump even if he's convicted of having tried to overturn an election.

this is -- it's not just trump. the entire republican party has turned away from democracy. >> right, and the thing is they're doing it for very -- sort of the most base reason, money. they're doing it because they know if he gets back in there, they probably never have to pay taxes again. let's talk about russell vout, he's cited as a potential chief of staff, the president of something called the center for renewing america, a think tank and leading group preparing for a second trump term. he's embraced the idea that he says christians are under assault. he's spoken of policies he might pursue in response. the things he wants to do is strip women of all their personal rights and do what mr. molay has done in argentina where his economic proposals include essentially turning it into the sort of ultra capitalist state. helping particularly young men. he's made abortion illegal and vowed to overturn abortion

legality. essentially, we're going to sort of go down the road of argentina, including making this a christian nationalist state. that's the plan. >> we don't want to do that. we really don't want to do that. i lived in argentina. i love argentina, the people and everything, but we don't want to follow their terms of government and how they raise their government. you know, vougt wants to christian nationalism an image makeover and make it a bright and sunny and good thing. the constitution, which doesn't really say separation of church and state, according to him, that piece, the politico piece i believe about his plans is really frightening. one of the most frightening things is that apparent plans to bring back one of trump's worst appointees, michael flynn, who pops up in that story later on.

and he's, you know, become a christian nationalist nut. i guess he always was or has been for a long time. i'll tell you, this is extreme and it is -- it's not irreversible, but this is really terrible for the country. and as steven said, the republican party is fine with this, and it's not only allowing it but is aiding and abetting it and pushing it forward. in a very deliberate way. >> well, and on top of that, what we're talking about is not just making america great. it's making america a satellite of russia. putin has made it very clear he would like to regain the old satellites of the soviet union, not just ukraine but poland and any other satellite he wants. whichever he would like to reclaim as russia.

one of the satellites he would claim is the united states. we have already now seen that apparently the doj, fbi informant who made up the hunter biden conspiracy theory that was supposed to bring down joe biden, not only is he now an arrested criminal, alexander smirnoff has admitted officials associated with russian intelligence were involved in passing the story about hunter biden around. that they were the ones helping to push this on places like fox news. the people who are the most opposed to helping ukraine, the elise stefaniks, byron donalds, all of them, they go down and do this thumbs up picture with trump, but in the end, who they really truly have allegiance to apparently is russia because all of them want, i guess, to see russia, what, win the war in ukraine, so we wouldn't even be the boss in this scenario.

we would be the junior partner and putin would be the boss. >> yeah, i'm not sure i would go as far as to say trump wants to make america a satellite of russia. there's no question that trump's foreign policy toward russia would be awful and give putin a free hand in a way that is devastating for the west. i think what most troubles me though is trump wants to make america the 1950s again. this gets back to this issue of christian nationalism. the heart and soul of republican activism today is christian nationalism. what is that about? that's a reaction to the changes that have gone on in this country over the last 50 years. in 1976, when i was a kid, 80% of americans called themselves white and christian. by 2016, that number was down to 43%. white christians are a minority in this country. they're a shrinking minority, and they're terrified. and the only way to go back, and this is what frightens me, the

only way to go back to the nene 1950s is through authoritarianism. you can't transform this society as diverse as it is today and go back to the world of the 1950s without a heavy dose of authoritarianism. violence, repression, illegal behavior. that's what's coming if we don't watch out. >> and then what happens to all of those, because people, eugene, aren't just going to take that lying down. it's not as if black people are going to go back to the 1950s and regain segregation. women are not going to just give up their rights without a fight. this sounds like a recipe for civil war. >> well, you know, i hesitate to say civil war, but it's going to be a fight. because you're absolutely right. we are not going to give up all of this ground that has been gained, and we're not going to change back to what we were in the 1950s. which we're not really like that

great of time for black people in this country. >> or for women, or for anyone. >> so those were not the good old days. you know, these are the much better days. so people are not going to take this lying down. i have to say one thing about the russia angle, though. the fact that now they say it was russian intelligence that was feeding me all these lies about hunter biden and joe biden. i mean, it was all true, right? trump always comes out, russia, russia, russia, it's a hoax. it was all true. it really happened. they really did it. >> and there's a reason they want him back in power and that navalny was afraid he would get back in power because russia would have a full free hand with donald trump back in the white house. thank you very much. we say scaring is caring on the show. up next on "the reidout," trump's grift shop is open for business and his supporters are

lining up to fork over their hard earned cash. not all republicans are on board. "the reidout" continues after this. this

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president trump is the best president we ever have in american history. on his way to becoming the world greatest leader the world ever seen before. >> i understand him. it's not him being a jerk. he's sarcastic. he's funny. and i love him. i do.

i love him. >> we need him. he's a christian, he's a good honest man. they're after him for no reason. >> wow, when you listen to some of donald trump's most ardent followers you would think they're talking about the coming of the messiah and not the grifter he more closely resembled. the last woman we showed you was with trump over the weekend when he was trying to get followers to pay hundreds of dollars for his sneakers he was hawking. and as the assistant attorney general of new york points out, those sneakers are not only expected not to ship until summer at best, they include the disclaimer, we cannot guarantee when an order will arrive. but of course, that money will have already lined trump's little pockets regardless of whether those sneakers ever make it onto the feet of his faithful followers. it is just the latest way republicans are acting less like a political party and more like a cult. or as devout followers of a

televangelists vowing more and more of their fixed incomes to their leader. you have trump pushing to put his key people in the rnc including his daughter-in-law, lara trump, who says if she's elected, every single penny will go to the number one and only job of the rnc, electing his father-in-law. that has some senior republicans who perhaps haven't drunk all the kool-aid yet fearful it would mean the committee would once again cover trump's legal bills rather than using the money to support candidates up and down the ticket. it's a legitimate concern because there are those republican lawmakers who are more than happy to spend their supporters' money to foot trump's bills, but even taxpayers while they're at it. there was a push in florida to do just that with a bill that would have allowed the state of florida to hand up to $5 million in florida taxpayer revenue to pay trump's legal bills.

it was only stopped because, wait for it, governor ron desantis of all people who i should note is no longer running for president, threatened to veto such a bill. joining me now is tara setmayer, senior adviser for the lincoln project. i want to say, you and i agree, tara, if ron desantis still thought he was viable for president, he would have not threatened to veto. he would have signed off and florida would be paying trump's legal bills. >> of course. i mean, there's no question about that. this idea that the republican party has turned into a cult is something i said back in 2018. this really isn't new. i think what becomes more apparent now is just how obvious it is. it may not -- it was obvious to all of us who weren't part of it, but there were a lot of people inside the party that were trying to deny what was really happening here. since 2020, since the denial of the election and then the

insurrection and everything that's happened after that, when republicans did not off ramp instead they tripled down on the big lie, and then you have the mainstream republicans which are very few and far between now, going along with donald trump, he is now even more blatant than he was before about his authoritarian motives here. it's not a dog whistle anymore. he's bragging about it and tripling down on it, and people are going, yeah, they're cheering behind him. and not just his loyal supporters. it's now people like the tim scotts of the world, the elise stefaniks. people who should know better that now it's giving a permission structure to people who thought they were the normies that i guess this is okay. that's what steven's book is about and i'm glad they wrote it. >> it's literally, we showed the thumbs up pictures. they made lil wayne do the picture. they have to do a specific symbol of their adoration for him, the thumbs up has become a thing you must go down there and

take a picture with him. it reminds me not just of a cult but also this. i'm old enough to remember the televangelist thing that took off in the '80s. this is 2019, jim baker, who is a sort of version of donald trump for tv. >> this coin is our point of contact. when i asked the lord why the coin, he says because when you take the coin, it's a point of contact. your faith is being released with a million other believers to pray, protection, and peace and wisdom and counsel over the president of the united states and over his family. >> okay, so what's on that coin, tara, is a picture of donald trump. it's probably a gold plated coin. but people are going to pay for it. they're going to do it. let me put up how much money trump owes. $throw 55 million plus interest. it's over $400 million with interest. $88 million to e. jean carroll. $938 for filing a frivolous lawsuit against hillary clinton.

all of that money, i do believe he is going to get his base, they're going to pay for it because they are like the fans of a televangelist. >> yeah, i mean, he's going to try. they'll raise a lot of money. but the televangelist part of this is something that people need to understand. they are using the same tactics. because these are people who are looking for somewhere to belong. donald trump has been smart enough to make this about them, not him, when he says i am your voice. they are coming after me, i'm the only thing that stops them from coming after you. and this is catering to a very large, alarmingly large amount of americans who feel as though they have been left behind and donald trump is their champion and their voice and all of the lowest common denominator things they weren't allowed to say before, donald trump has given them a sense of belonging. when you look at people who are so deceived, a lot of this is

the same thing with the mega preachers who prey on people looking for answers to things. they want simple answers, right and wrong, good versus evil. the fact that donald trump is using that good versus evil christian nationalist rhetoric now and fully embracing that is something that i think allows for people to no longer respect our democratic institutions, because there's a higher power that's calling them now to support him. this isn't even about trump anymore. it's about good and evil. that gives people an idea like stephen bannon who is out here trying to use this holy war crap, that gives them even the right to say i'm going to take up arms because it's god's will to do it. if people took one day and watched the indoctrinating rhetoric that the right wing ecosystem is pumping into people, just one day, i think democrats would freak out and realize what they're actually up against. because i don't know that they fully understand what we're actually up against, and when you start talking about holy war stuff, this is far beyond just your average policy argument

over something or whether joe biden is too old or not. we need to understand the enemy that we're facing here. >> indeed. you're from lincoln project. let's play your new ad, a little bit of it. >> donny, i always knew you would blow it. you were always a fool. a joke, low rent. i bailed you out so many times. your deals were all garbage. you couldn't even make money off a casino, you [ bleep ]. i'm ashamed you have my name. >> why are you using ai fred trump against his son, against donny? >> joy, you know why. because you know donald trump's entire xins has been about trying to please his daddy. and his father always knew he was a screw-up, and a line that was written in the ad if you watch the whole thing, it says i may have lost my mind, but i never lost my businesses. and haunting donald trump is the ghost of fred trump. and this may not be the only

time he hears that. so we're doing that to also remind people that donald trump has screwed things up, his father's business, he didn't build it, his father did. this is the same guy who bankrupted casinos, vodka, water, charities. the list is very long here, but yet people think he's a successful businessman. no, he's actually not. we'll continue to poke at him about that because it's the truth. >> bankrupted casinos in atlantic city. that's really hard to do. tara setmayer, really hard to do. thank you, my friend. >> still ahead, we're still waiting on a decision from the supreme court on whether they will hear arguments on citizen trump's bogus claim of absolute immunity. legal scholar neal katyal joins me with his thoughts on the likelihood of that happening and when after this. baby: liberty. how many people did you tell? only pay for what you need. jingle: ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ baby: ♪ liberty. ♪

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most politicians just fight each other. while katie porter fights for you. for senate - democrat katie porter. i'm katie porter and i approve this message. within a matter of days the u.s. supreme court could rule on the two most consequential trump legal matters. we're awaiting a ruling on his fraepth amendment ruling in colorado and a ruling on his presidential immunity case. he's asked the court to pause the lower court ruling rejecting his claim of absolute immunity for his acts leading up to the january 6th insurrection. jack smith has urged the court to reject trump's request and move quickly. a reminder that in its unanimous decision, the circuit court torched nearly every aspect of

trump's arguments reminding us all for the purpose of this case, former president trump has become citizen trump with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant. rulings on emergency applications can come at any time. friend of the show and supreme court scholar neal katyal suspects we will know whether the court will hear the immunity case within the next 72 hours. joining me is msnbc legal analyst neal katyal, professor of law at georgetown university and former acting solicitor general. i don't go what you're rooting for, i'm not going to guess, but what i'm ruling is the supreme court is going to say we're going to stay out of it because i read the 57-page ruling by the circuit court. looked good to me. >> the supreme court gets about 10,000 requests a year to hear cases. and it hears about 60, and it only hears cases in which granting the case and hearing it is going to make a difference to the parties, and here, i don't think there's any way, shape, or form in which hearing this case is going to change the bottom

line results that donald trump doesn't have absolute immunity. i mean, it's true the supreme court has never squarely said a former president has absolute immunity from criminal acts. but that's because no president has ever acted so preposterously as to advance such a notion. it's so obvious, and you know, what made it really clear was the oral argument in this case, and the court of appeals when trump's lawyer admitted basically that their theory would mean donald trump could send out navy s.e.a.l. team 6 while president to assassinate his political rival and there would be no criminal consequences. that's an insane proposition. everything we fought the revolution against, so yes, i don't think the supreme court should touch this case with a ten-foot pole. it's thorough, well written, it's a unanimous decision with a very conservative judge on the kourpt of appeals siding totally against donald trump lock, stock, and barrel. >> yeah, just leave it as it is. let's talk about the other case they did hear.

it was fascinating listening to the oral arguments in this colorado case. it seems clear donald trump violated -- i'm not a lawyer, but my layman's ear listening to it, he did violate section 3 of the 14th amendment. if they say he didn't, or they say he can be on the ballot, what are the implications of that? >> first of all, i agree with your premise. i think the whole history behind the 14th amendment, section 3, is about something like donald trump. and so i think there's a right legal answer to this question, did donald trump violate the 14th amendment? it's a clear legal answer, and the answer is yes. unfortunately, i think the oral argument, and oral arguments matter, i think the oral argument by the challengers to donald trump went terribly for them. they had no cohere want theory about what they were saying or about the original understanding of this important amendment, which you and i know was forged at the most important moment in our nation's history, when thousands of lives had been shed

for principle and we wanted to make sure that insurrectionists would not come back into our government, and now, lo and behold, insurrectionists have come back. or about to come back into our government. that's what this 14th amendment dispute is about all. and unfortunately, none of that really came out. i do fortunately suspect the u.s. supreme court will deny what the colorado supreme court did because the colorado supreme court was left virtually defenseless. >> wow, that's unfortunate. let me let you listen to letitia james. this on the other side might be accountability for trump. here's letitia james tonight on abc news. >> if he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, then we will seek a judgment enforcement mechanisms in court. and we'll ask the judge to seize his assets. >> so we know that donald trump was ordered to pay $355 million

plus interest, and right now, the interest has it up north of $450 million. what do you make of the fact she's saying they're going to come to the assets? that really is the only accountability he seems to be facing, financial. >> yeah, so donald trump owes now over half a billion dollars when you combine these judgments, last week with the jean carroll judgments and at over half a billion dollars we're not in bake sale territory anymore. this is to use donald trump's words, huge money he's going to have to come up with in a short amount of time. he's going to have to sell an awful lot of tacky gold sneakers to pay off those judgments. maybe he thinks mexico is going to pay for it, i don't know. but this is, you know, finally the rule of law coming to donald trump. and holding him accountable. i think what new york has done here in their willingness to signal we're going to go after this money, this is money we won after a trial, you lost, donald trump. so now it's our turn to collect.

i think they're going to collect. and i think it's going to pose, you know, for the first time donald trump is starting to face the music. >> you know, there is an irony to me that it does feel like all of the little guys went to prison. and every level of the insurrection, but it does seem for donald trump he does seem to always wriggle away, and the only way he is being made to pay is by people like letitia james that are making him pay out of his pockets. is that what we're looking at here, that that's the only way he's going to pay is financially for all of these crimes? >> no, i don't think so. remember, on march 25th, the criminal trial is going to begin. and up until march 25th i agree with you, michael cohen went to jail for those crimes. trump had so far skated free. on march 25th, there will be a criminal trial in new york over trump's hush money payments, and what he did in terms of illegal campaign contributions and the like. that's the first trial. i agree with you that he still

hasn't faced accountability for january 6th, one of the most momentous, horrible moments in our history and something still inconceivable to me that a president of the united states would act the way he did. so he's got to face that. he's so scared, that's why he goes and runs to the supreme court pleading absolute immunity because he's afraid of a trial. he's afraid of what a jury would say. >> yeah, if enrika tarrio has to go for jail for it, he should have to go to jail for it. the most scandalous thing any president has ever done, and if he gets away with it, shame on us. neal katyal, thank you very much. coming up, israel sets a deadline for the release of all its remaining hostages before its assault on rafah. an american doctor who volunteered in gaza joins us next to tell us what that assault would look like for palestinians there. we'll be right back.

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finish the job while a member of his war cabinet is threatening to invade rafah by the muslim holy month of ramadan if the remaining hostages are not released. it comes as the situation in gaza is growing mere dire by the day with the death toll nearing 30,000. while countless others are facing a humanitarian catastrophe, displaced, shelterless, and starving. one american doctor who volunteered at a hospital in southern gaza last month is shedding light on just how devastating the conditions are on the ground. writing in a harrowing op-ed for the l.a. times, quote, i have worked in other war zones, but what i witnessed during ten days in gaza was not war. it was annihilation. joining me now is the doctor gloria, thank you so much for being here. i read your op-ed, and it broke my, heart to be honest with you. so i want to allow you to just speak, and tell me what you saw, what you experienced in

gaza. >> of course, and joy, thanks for having me on the show. you know, i understand in war that you're going to have civilian casualties, you're going to have displaced citizens. but it only took us a few minutes crossing into rafah and gaza to recognize and realize what we were really stepping into. myself, and my team immediately recognized that what we were facing was an extraordinary, humanitarian crisis. this was unbelievable. imagine, joy, almost 1 million displaced civilians, struggling for shelter, struggling for food, struggling for water. it was in an incredible sight to take in. >> and, let's talk about inside the hospitals. because we know hospitals have been bombed, they have been invaded in some instances. are they are doctors still operating in these hospitals? are their emergency rooms operating? i mean, you describe these hospitals doubling, basically as shelters. >> correct. you know, the entire health

care system in gaza is broken, it's utterly collapsed. and let me explain to you the scene of when we first saw the gaza hospital. as you drive towards the hospital, you begin to start seeing collections and clusters of tents, that start blocking the roads, and start cleaning to the side of the hospital. patients, who are then, this is a hospital that was designed to take care for about 300 patients, and yet it was filled with 1000 patients. and the humanity that you saw outside began to spill into the hallways. people were living in -- corridors, in storage closets. what they would do is hang-up a blanket or a sheet, two -- little areas to create small areas of privacy for them. the hospital was completely overwhelmed, and the physicians and the medical staff not only were they struggling through all of the same things that the rest of the palestinians were struggling through, but they

then were overwhelmed and exhausted. and i will give you an example. a plastic surgeon who i worked with, he was the only plastic surgeon in the hospital. he was covering it 24/7. and his home was destroyed, and he was living in the hospital during the whole time. >> you also describe parents bringing in their children, with a hole through the throned of their head through sniper fire. so, were you seeing a lot of those kinds of victims? children who had been shot by sniper fire? >> correct. you know, my, my self and my team, we felt there was a disturbingly high number of civilian casualties. we did not feel that there was a distinction being made between targeting terrorist soldiers, and targeting civilians. and these stories that you just described, is what we were hearing and seeing routinely. i was in the hospital, i lived there, literally, slept on the

floor of -- the holding area, because there is no other place for me to stay. the incident that you are describing was one that happened on a regular basis. and on that particular instance, several children were brought into the hospital, with head injuries, and they were cared for by one of the members of our team. it was very disturbing to take care of. >> the, one in six children in northern gaza is severely malnourished, according to unicef. did you see signs of hunger and starvation? >> everywhere. i mean, in the morning, as soon as we left our guest house for the very first day, you see lines collecting around food distribution sites. and in the hospital, almost all of the patients were you -- they were poorly, had poor nutrition, they were dehydrated. and you know joy, this actually contributed to a lot of the medical problems that they were enduring. because their protein was so poor, because their health was

so poor, they weren't able to heal. >> doctor efron galleria, thank you for doing what you did, and for coming back and telling us what you saw. i appreciate you. >> joy, thank you so much. i wanted to quickly present to you with a small gift. this was a stone from the mediterranean coast that the child handed to me on my final day. inscribed in arabic on this it says, from gaza, with love, despite the pain. and on behalf of the children of palestine, i'd like to offer this to you. >> i am not worthy of having that, i thank you so much. i'm trying to cry on tv, thank you, and god bless you, i so prescientx that, that means a lot to me. i will keep that as an honor forever. thank you. >> thank you for allowing me to share their stories. thank you, we'll be right back, we'll be right back. thank you, we'll be right back, we'll be right back.

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