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donald trump again comparing his treatment by u.s. prosecutors to imprisoned, torture and martyred russian freedom fighter alexei navalny. >> it's a horrible thing. it's happening in our country, too. we are turning into a communist country in many ways. if you look at it, i'm the leading can't -- i never heard of being indicted before. a form of navalny, a form of communism or fascism. house republicans are pushing on with their impeachment inquiry into the president. today interviewing his brother james, even after the key witness, an ex-fbi informant, was charged with giving false information against the bidens fed to him by russian intelligence. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell.
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another american is in custody in russia. a 33-year-old los angeles ballerina is a russian american dual citizen detained on suspicion of treason for allegedly donating $51 to support ukraine. they released this video showing her being led into a courtroom where a judge denied her bail. her family is begging for her release. >> she is not safe there. if we do not help her, she will spend the rest of her life in jail. >> this as the state department is again warning americans not to travel to russia and telling u.s. citizens living or traveling in the country to leave immediately. the white house preparing to announce new sanctions against russia following death of russian opposition leader alexei navalny. joining me now is peter alexander and richard engel, who is in ukraine for us today.
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richard, what else -- do we know why she was detained? >> reporter: it seems like this is politically motivated. this is a move by russia to show power, to show that it is not intimidated by the united states, that it is almost an affront to the u.s. the u.s. said it's going to impose these sanctions on friday. today, the european union and the uk imposed more sanctions on russia. the eu imposing them on nearly 200 individuals and entities. the uk specifically sanctioning officials at the penal colony where navalny died. i think we're seeing russia respond that it's not taking all of this lying down. it is stepping up its attacks in ukraine. not sure if you can hear it. it's a little far away. there are air raid sirens where i am right now. there are air raid sirens in many places where you travel to
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in eastern ukraine right now. this whole area is under -- i don't want to say constant attack, but frequent attack. there tend to be concentrated attacks on specific towns and villages that russia wants to take over. the way they do that is by bombing them relentlessly, trying to drive out the people, put the ukrainians on their back foot, because the ukrainians are not in a position right now to fire back. sometimes they are being outgunned five or ten to one. once the ukrainians are driven out of the destroyed area, the russians move in. that is the strategy that they are pursuing. i think you can only see this woman's arrest for $51, not something that's going to change the tide of a war in any way, in a political framework. >> you are so exactly right, richard. secretary blinken has been complaining about this. there's a policy of just picking
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up americans for money, for hostage, for trade as a matter of policy, of getting people out of jail they want out from their people who have been arrested. go ahead, richard. >> reporter: it does seem like she was picked up for trade, for stock as is a very ugly word but sometimes used in this context, where you pick people up in case they can be useful to trade for somebody you want. >> the latest, peter alexander, victim of the strategy of vladimir putin's is this young woman, along with evan gershkovich, who just had another court hearing this week and was told he is not going to have another hearing until march 30th. so that will be more than a year since he has been -- a reporter accused of spying unfairly.
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to be there for a year, a full year. peter? >> reporter: you are exactly right. now we heard, as the president confirmed, there will be the announcement of a major sanctions package coming up this friday. saturday is the two-year anniversary of russia's brutal invasion into ukraine. the president on saturday is going to be speaking to his g7 colleagues in a virtual meeting. on friday, you and i and our colleague carol lee have new reporting about what we anticipate will be a part of the new sanctions, this new major package. it's still coming together. a senior administration official tells us, but it's likely to include something as it relates to a strengthened cap on russia's oil revenues. you remember, more than a year ago, the g7 and the european union had imposed a $60 per barrel cap on russia's oil. obviously, a big source of money that russia takes in from around the world.
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initially, it did have some impact, an effort to try to starve vladimir putin's war chest. but over time, due to loopholes, it hasn't had the same impact. i anticipate that, based on our conversations, is likely to be a part of it. also, two u.s. officials telling nbc news that the sanctions are likely to target some entities related to alexei navalny's causes, among them one official noted to us the issue of anti-corruption, another official noted the topic of alexei navalny's imprisonment, which is notable because the united kingdom earlier today announced sanctions on the prison chiefs in that brutal prison camp in siberia where alexei navalny lost his life. those are some of the issues that we're going to focus on over the next several days ahead of the announcement. as you have been reported, there are conversations about the potential effort to try to seize russia's assets.
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there are divisions within the administration about whether to do that, what impact it could have if russia were to try to do the same in the future. there's about $300 billion in seized assets right now. the u.s. controls 10% of them. that's another one of the issues that is on the plate as the u.s. considers this effort. >> richard, let's talk briefly about the situation for the ukrainian troops as we approach this anniversary. they lost some ground. are they retreating? are they just reinforcing defenses? they are clearly outmaneuvered or at least out-weaponed by the russians. >> reporter: what happened in avdiivka was a bad sign. they tried to retreat. as they were retreating, the russians were still advancing. it turned into a very chaotic retreat. the ukrainians broke rank, were
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forced to leave quickly in a disorganized way. there were prisoners taken by russia. others have gone missing. it was a terrible strategic retreat tactically disastrous for ukraine. the concern is that once you start losing territory -- avdiivka is not a big place. it's 20, 30,000 people. most americans couldn't find it on a map. ukrainians didn't know it before the war. once you start losing territory, like ukraiians lost avdiivka, the concern is losing other territory. to flip the scenario, as the ukrainians were advancing, when they would take territory from the russians, the russians didn't just lose one town or two, they started losing small
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amounts and it snowballed and they lost large chunks. that's the concern here, that this could be a precursor for deeper losses to come, unless they get fresh supplies of weapons and ammunition. >> peter alexander, richard engel, thanks to both of you for starting us off. joining us now is the founding editor and chief of russia's only independent tv channel. he is the author of the book "war and punishment, putin, zelenskyy and the path to russia's invasion of ukraine." thanks for being with us. my condolences to you. you worked so closely with alexei navalny. you got an email from him just before he died. what did he write to you? >> that was not an email. it was a physical letter, handwritten. it was a very long one. we used to discuss everything starting from russian
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literature. most importantly, it was very energetic, very cheerful. he was trying to support -- funny enough, he was trying to support me and convincing me to support all other russian immigrants. we were discussing actually my next book about the collapse of soviet union. he wrote it's a tragedy that we lost our historic opportunity to become a democratic country. he wrote that it's crucial not to lose the next opportunity to make russia a democracy once putin's regime is going to collapse. >> we all saw the video of him in court the day before he died looking relatively healthy, given the circumstances of his imprisonment. >> he was healthy. >> what do you think happened? >> i think he was killed.
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i think -- i'm scared to think of the way, how he could have been killed, because obviously it was decision made by putin. i'm not surprised that they do not release his body to his parents. i'm afraid probably we will never see the body, because i have very deep concern. i'm very concerned about the way how they were killing him. i can suspect that he might have been tortured or something worse. once they decided to kill him, i think everything might have been possible. >> do you think that they are holding his body so long and not turning it over to his mother because they are trying to detox detoxify his body? >> i think that's the best case scenario.
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it's not so -- it's not torture. i'm afraid something worse could have happened to him. >> the united states, president biden is preparing to sanction russia on friday, announce new sanctions. some of the sanctions, we are told, might be for individuals, for people involved in that prison system. do you think there's any way they will be held accountable, including vladimir putin? >> i hope. that's what yulia said, that she's sure one day there are going to be -- they will be accountable for that. i hope to see them in court. i think the personal sanctions are needed. that's something he has appealed for. unfortunately, we have to face the truth that in general, most
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of the sanctions implemented during the last two years are not working. russian economy is in rather good shape. there's no catastrophe. russian elite thinks that putin is winning, unfortunately. russian big business, all those people who were strongly gain in the beginning of the war were somehow pushed back to russia. i think that was some kind of mistake to push back russian big business and to make it support vladimir putin. >> finally, i know the last thing on your mind is probably american politics. the leading candidate for the republican nomination, donald trump, who flies around on his own jet and lives in a mansion
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in florida and another mansion in new jersey and all of that, a penthouse in new york, he is saying that he is a victim of the american court system, the prosecutors, the way alexei navalny is a victim. how does that comparison strike you? >> i think it doesn't matter what we think. what american voters think, that matters. if american voters think that all those trials and indictments make him look like victim, that would matter. if all those trials increase his popularity, that would be a very bad sign. at the same time, i know that for people in russia, for vladimir putin, that's very important. i think that he thinks that the time is on his side. he is not willing to start another assault in ukraine, for
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example, because he thinks he doesn't need to do that. he is waiting for trump to be back in the white house. i think he will exchange all the american citizens, held like hostages, until the moment trump is going back to the white house. that's his plan, unfortunately. >> friend and close associate of alexei navalny, thank you very much. we have days to go. reality check on nikki haley's chances in her home state this weekend. the strategy behind her decision to stay in the race. that's next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back 60 seconds from now. you are watching msnbc. questio. how do i clean an aioli stain? use tide. do i need to pretreat guacamole? not with tide. why do we even buy napkins? thankfully, tide's the answer to almost all of them.
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south carolina is holding its republican primary in three days. nikki haley is crossing the state as are surrogates for donald trump. despite lagging nearly 30 points in the polls, nikki haley says she's determined to stay in the race through super tuesday. that's two weeks from now. trump is getting a lot of attention, not for his appeals to south carolina voters, but for, as we have been reporting, failing to condemn vladimir putin for the death of alexei navalny and comparing his own civil and criminal trials with what navalny went through, going back to russia after surviving an assassination attempt, being jailed and sent to a siberian prison where he was held in solitary, tortured, and likely murdered. >> navalny is a very sad situation. it's a horrible thing. it's happening in our country, too. we are turning into a communist country in many ways.
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>> do you see yourself as a potential political prisoner in the united states? >> if i were losing in the polls, they wouldn't be talking about me. i wouldn't have had any legal fees. >> even if you appeal, you have to put up escrow money. it's a lot of dough. >> it's a form of navalny. it's a form of communism or fascism. >> it's torture. joining me now is ali vitali on the trail in south carolina, "washington post" national editor phil rucker and republican strategist susan del percio. ali, you are back to interview nikki haley. i know you have to run. she's made post south carolina plans, heading into michigan. what's her strategy since she is so far behind and is about to most likely lose her own home
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state? >> reporter: just keep campaigning. if you look at the campaign's plans, that's one of the questions that i'm going to ask her in the next few minutes when we sit down is, the conversation for haley had always been, i'm going to stay in through super tuesday. you see that in her travel schedule. immediately after south carolina voters going to the polls, she's heading to michigan and do a stunning tour of the united states through utah, colorado, virginia and others, trying to hit as many of those super tuesday states as she possibly can before that march voting day. it's also clear that she's starting to shift the goalposts there, too, saying in interviews she wants to stay in until the last voter votes. that could mean march, may -- march, april, may, june, starting to list the months means she might be thinking about this in a more long-term way than even those of us who have been out here open the campaign trail with her thought she might. you look at the fact the fund-raising reports are coming out today. she's bringing in a lot of money.
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they have money on hand to keep going. where there's a will there's a way. haley said yesterday she wants to be able to stay in to provide a trump alternative. they have the way, which is that they have a candidate who want to barnstorm the states. they have the money to do it. of course, the landscape remains the same. the likelihood she loses her home state here, polls have consistently showed trump is ahead by as many as 30 points. she could lose here by a two to one margin. a lot of the super tuesday states, the margins between haley and trump are greater. it's going to be a slog for her on the campaign trail, no matter how determined she is to stay in. >> run and do your interview and come back to us as soon as you can. see you later in the day. thank you so much. phil, let's talk about donald trump, comparing his legal troubles, how persecuted he is in his view by the prosecutors, to what happened to alexei navalny.
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>> yeah, it's pretty remarkable to see this. when you just look at the facts of the situation, there's not a fair comparison here. it's worth also pointing out that trump is pretty isolated within sort of the political leadership of the united states in refusing to this point to condemn putin or really talk in those broader strokes about the death of navalny in russia. it underscores his coziness with putin over the years. it's something we have chronicled closely together over those years when he was running for office the first time and then in his presidency. we see that pattern continue here. we see him trying to use this navalny death to remind his own supporters, trump's own supporters that he feels persecuted in his own way here in the united states. it's factually not a fair comparison to make, but it's political to try to further
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strengthen his support and connection to his supporters. >> susan, do you think it works? >> no. it just breaks my heart to think of donald trump comparing himself to navalny, who showed such courage. he made such sacrifice. donald trump has never made one sacrifice or showed courage. that's, i think, part why he can't even say anything about navalny, because he doesn't know how to confront a courageous person, how to talk about them, because he is so into himself and can't even recognize it. i don't think this was the best tact for him to take, even with republican voters. it did open an opportunity for nikki haley to talk about russia, which does appeal to some older republican voters especially. >> phil, she's got street cred on that from having been a u.n. ambassador. she has foreign policy experience, unlike a lot of the candidates. >> that' right.
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she's been outspoken on russia over the years, including when she was at the u.n. when there were moments when she got a little out ahead of where the president at the time was, trump. she's been a strong believer in taking on russia. she's been sort of a hawk on that part of foreign policy within the republican party. the death of navalny, she immediately seized on that with her own public statement condemning putin and condemning the death several days ago and has continued to use that in this campaign. obviously, as ali was talking about, she has a very uphill struggle politically against trump in winning the republican nomination. >> she's been criticized, susan, for relying on democrats, not just republicans. >> she's also relying on interests, which you need to win a general election. she's showing a broad appeal, which goes to a general election
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argument. unfortunately, it doesn't play in the republican primary. as ali mentioned earlier, as long as she's well funded, she should keep going. you know what? we don't know what will befall donald trump. we don't know what his legal troubles will do once necessary court every day facing criminal charges or even his health, for that matter. why not stay in? >> susan, thank you so much. phil, and our thanks to ali. the weakest link. claims central to the republican impeachment probe are discredited after the key informant admits to working with russian intelligence. that's next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. mitchell reports" on msnbc y offt their frequent dry eyes, which may point to dry eye disease. millions of americans were estimated to have it. they've tried artificial tears again and again, but the relief is temporary. xiidra can provide lasting relief. xiidra treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease.
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right now on capitol hill, the president's brother james biden is testifying behind closed doors. this is part of the house's impeachment inquiry of the president, just as the republicans' impeachment effort is suffering a major blow. a key source for their investigation was charged with lying to the fbi about the president and his son hunter. now prosecutors allege he has extensive ties to russian intelligence, that he is, quote, actively peddling new lies that could impact u.s. elections after meeting with russian intelligence officials. joining me now are nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles, and harry litman, former
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u.s. attorney and deputy assistant attorney general during the clinton administration. ryan, you caught up with james biden as he was walking in. what did he tell you? how does james comber and the republicans justify proceeding with this inquiy after what happened with their key witness in court yesterday? >> reporter: well, to answer your second first, the house republicans are kind of brushing off this revelation saying it's just one prong of what they would argue is a multi-prong investigation into the president of the united states, and that the fbi's conduct in this is what's suspect, not the fact smirnoff lied on the tip sheet. they described it as a foundational piece of evidence in the past. as it relates to james biden, it's separate from the inquiry and how that relates to what happened with smirnoff.
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james biden's business dealings are separate. there's interface with hunter biden's business dealings and a chinese company. as he was walking in today, i specifically asked him what he was going to tell the committee. he responded, the truth. hig statement. puts on the record what he believes the committee is looking for, and that is that his brother has never been involved in his business dealings. he was prepared to say, quote, i have had a 50-year career in business ventures. joe biden has never had any involvement or direct -- or any direct or indirect financial interest in those activities. he says, none.
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he is saying, his brother had no role in his business work. >> this is just extraordinary. harry, prosecutors say smirnoff poses a flight risk. how significant are the allegations he has ties to russian intelligence? >> very significant, because it means the whole misinformation -- i will get in a moment to how broad it is -- is just one more aspect of the whole russian misinformation campaign that so distorted our processes going forward. these charges are not from the doj, whom republicans could dismiss as biased in the normal sense. they are from david weiss, the special counsel prosecuting hunter biden and is not trying to soft pedal it.
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the allegations seem to be the only evidence we have that in 2015 and '16, when hunter -- when biden was vice president, hunter said, i will bring my father in so he can help with different things, it turns out that's a rank lie. smirnoff never has communication until 2017. what they are -- after biden is out of office. what they are calling a prong of the investigation looks to be the entire foundation. that foundation now may have been chopped away. >> ryan, what's going to happen in terms of smirnoff's contacts with russian intelligence? how does that affect hunter biden's testimony scheduled for next week and his other legal difficulties outside of congress? >> reporter: it's going to make it more complicated for the
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impeachment investigators who have used this as the piece of hard evidence to demonstrate there was some sort of financial investment or financial benefit to the president as part of hunter biden's business dealings. they have to find a way around that. they believe they have other examples. there are two different examples
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of the investigation. nonetheless, it does cover and that perhaps this is what it will be limited, the tax charges and the gun charge. >> the impeachment inquiry goes on. that's not going to be cut short. thank you. newborns in gaza struggling along with their families through horrific conditions. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. they release medicine fast for fast pain relief. and now, get max strength topical pain relief precisely where you need it. with new tylenol precise. [ tense music ] one aleve works all day so i can keep working my magic. just one aleve. 12 hours of uninterrupted pain relief. aleve. who do you take it for? and for fast topical pain relief, try alevex.
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israeli war cabinet minister gantz, a retired general, former deputy prime minister, is indicating there could be progress in the hostage talks, a possible cease-fire, a hostage release. molly hunter joins us from jerusalem. what are you learning from his comments? >> reporter: "could be" is the operative phrase. he did mention that line that you just said. we have a graphic to show our audience what he said. certainly, a little hope. nothing committal, not concrete.
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we know u.s. middle east envoy was here. he could be playing to a frustrated domestic audience. we have been seeing protests across israel, here in jerusalem and tel aviv, of hostage families getting frustrated with the israeli government. he thanked the u.s. for their veto yesterday at the u.n. security council. as you know, one of the reasons the u.s. made the case for the veto is because their draft resolution would make it more efficient to get aid to the palestinians who need it most. our team in gaza has been working around the clock to document the humanitarian situation in gaza. they met pregnant women. i will take to you -- take you there.
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her baby is seriously harmed. i will give birth in a tent, no place for a baby. nearby, this woman walked out of the hospital two hours after birth. i hoped i would die, she says. they have killed our motherhood. in the occupied west bank, we speak with this doctor who says the biggest risk is where labor starts. with extreme shortages of antibiotics and pain medications, infections are almost inevitable. how dangerous, in your assessment, is it to be pregnant in gaza today? >> going always to be concerned about pregnancy. to provide yourself and your baby with the best medical service. >> reporter: at the maternity hospital in rafah, it doesn't stop.
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four babies to an incubator. these are the lucky ones. the women told our team, some of them hadn't eaten in days. malnutrition is a massive problem. if you are pregnant, you need more nutrition. some hadn't felt their babies kick in weeks. they estimate there are 50,000 women pregnant. about 180 babies delivered every day. the doctor, who we spoke to, who you saw in the piece, he was in the occupied west bank. he is an ob/gyn. he talked about how heartbreaking to watch his fellow doctors work miles away, a couple of hours away, where he could not help, talk to other ob/gyns or provide additional support. he also talked about the psychological toll, the stress, the terror, anxiety that comes with that situation, combine that with no safe place to give birth, no prenatal or post-natal care, he said it's so dangerous. he described being pregnant in
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gaza right now as nothing short of a nightmare. >> extraordinary reporting. as you know so well, the other day only seven trucks of food got in, compared to 700 to 800 a day before the war started. they are nowhere near getting enough aid in. it really is just one of the reasons why the u.s. and others are working so hard for this temporary cease-fire to try to extend it, get hostage releases, but also to get aid in. that's part of the equation. molly hunter, thank . refugees, a third of ukrainians displaced by the war, will they be able to return home? i will speak with the u.n. representative in ukraine leading the efforts. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. so it makes it look like i spent hours cleaning, and you know i didn't. it makes my running shoe look like new! it's amazing. it's so good. it makes it look like i have magical powers.
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as if she doesn't have allergies? yeah. nice. saturday will mark two years since russia invaded ukraine, causing destruction, widespread suffering, alleged war crimes. almost 6.5 million ukrainians were forced to flee. many are now returning home. joining us is -- from kyiv is the u.n. refugee agency's representative in ukraine. thank you for being with us.
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is that they are looking for jobs because when you fled from your home in the country or abroad, you have also fled from your job, and many do not have work to go back to, and it's also housing, many who have fled abroad and inside the country have had their homes damaged or destroyed in drone attacks. last week there was a study published that shows that 2 million homes in ukraine have been damaged or destroyed in this war, and then people are also worried about access to basic services like schools and health care. there are many solutions being found in ukraine, like in the city of kharkiv, a number of schools have been established in metro stations underground so that kids can still be together in class, but it's still not a normal situation, so those who choose to returnñi at this poin often find the security situation dire, that it's
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difficult to find work to cover your basic needs, and that many things are still not working as the war is raging on every single day in ukraine. >> of course, and raging on and not in a good way. the retreat just a couple of days ago, the russian advance, the fact that ukraine is running low on ammo, rationing ammo in the trenches. still waiting for a promise of those f-16s. now we believe they're going to get the long-range missiles, producing some of their own drones to take care of that capacity, but what is the energy towards the american congress not providing the billions of dollars that the president, the administration has been trying to deliver? >> so the people at the humanitarian organization work with and for are really ordinary
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civilians, older people, mothers with children, people with disabilities, and it's interesting, they are following the discussions in the u.s. very, very closely, and know in detail where the supplemental is or is stuck, and what they really say consistently across the country is please do not leave us alone at this point in time because the support that the united states has provided to ukraine in many different areas including in the humanitarian area is really saving people's lives, and it is helping to keep that resilience and strength and hope in ukraine as a country to remain in and return to and for your kids to have a future in. so they are very worried about being forgotten and left alone at this point in time. so there is a strong call to the american people to keep up that support and not let people down
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at this very difficult time because the war is still ongoing with the same intensity as it was before a year ago. >> well, certainly this anniversary is going to be a difficult one and a difficult one emotionally, the children who had, you know, the schooling underground, all of those losses they've suffered. we have been with some refugees here in chicago notably and other places with large ukrainian communities, the church coming behind them, but these women and children are without their men folks, you know, who are behind in military service. it's just extraordinary. thank you so much for your perspective, for your knowledge. >> thank you very much. remember to follow our show on social media @mitchellreports. you can rewatch the highlights on youtube, just go to msnbc.com/andrea.
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