reparations, is to really put the focus on the humanity and the family. certainly gabriel coakley's extraordinary act to free his family, set them on a trajectory that they might not have experienced otherwise. he got paid when 90% of black people in this country were still enslaved. we're reminded through the story, that this is about family and family lines and opportunity and in america, quite frankly, as we know, it's money that can buy you that comfort and stability and allow your children and their children to experience the fullness of opportunity in this country, and so hopefully we're doing just that in this conversation, andrea. >> tremaine, it's such a privilege working with you. thanks for bringing that to us. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. and be sure to catch tremaine podcast, "into america presents uncounted millions, the power of reparations." that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." "chris jansing reports" starts

right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. running out of patience, running out of options and perhaps running out of time. president biden looking for something, anything that can knock an increasingly aggressive vladimir putin off his stride. will new sanctions do the trick or does he need to have something bolder up his sleeve. plus, with interest on just one judgment against donald trump putting him north of $87,000 further in debt every day, where will he find the money to pay? laura trump is ready to raid the rnc's coffers admits she doesn't know if the rules allow it, but thinks republican donors are all in. we'll dig into that. and the questions go back more than a decade, did florida prosecutors mishandle the case of notorious sex offender jeffrey epstein, we may finally get some important new clues to answer the question, why was he

able to be released from prison after just one year? we'll tell you about that new push by florida lawmakers to answer more than 14 years of questions. but we start with president biden, frustrated and lashing out at vladimir putin over a string of near daily challenges and provocations at a time that the u.s. is running out of ways to push back. for biden it came to a head at a fundraiser overnight when he called putin a crazy s.o.b. the russians called his comments a disgrace. but insults aside, the president's remarks may also stem from the fact that even as he vows to impose robust sanctions on russia later this week, in fact, tomorrow, there's not much more the u.s. can do. as "politico" puts it, the u.s. largely exhausted its tool kit of penalties after russia invaded ukraine two years ago. and even those sanctions haven't hit moscow as hard as biden had hoped. meantime, putin seems intent on upping the ante. in less than a week -- this is a

good reminder -- we've learned that russia was feeding an fbi informant lies about the bidens that led to an impeachment inquiry, they're working on a nuclear weapon to launch into space. they've jailed a ballerina from los angeles on suspicions of treason when all she had done was donate $51 to a charity to help ukraine, and of course there is the death of putin's top critic alexei navalny, part of the reason the u.s. says it is imposing these new sanctions in the first place. i want to bring in nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent, richard engel in eastern ukraine, admiral james stavridis, served as supreme allied commanders of nato and is an msnbc chief international analyst, peter baker is chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" and an msnbc political analyst. so peter, the president's remarks kind of give us a window into the pressure, the frustration he must be feeling in dealing with vladimir putin right now. i'm wondering if that's what he's saying at the fundraiser,

what's the conversation like behind closed doors? >> yeah, i think you can imagine it's even earthier. i think it's a frustrating time for the white house when it comes to the war in ukraine. they feel like for all of the advantages that the ukrainians have earned over the last two years, pushing back russia, stopping russia from taking over the country, all of that is at risk. all of that is at risk right now because, of course, ukrainians do not have any further help from the united states, further aid has been held up in congress, and you're right, the president doesn't have a lot of new options available. he may have more sanctions tomorrow, but they've unleashed a lot of the sanctions they consider to be the toughest ones they can do. there are some things they haven't been willing to do in terms of cutting off russian oil. there's a lot of concern about whether that would have a negative effect obviously particularly in europe. they're in a bind right now, and i think that that frustration is what came out last night at that fundraiser. >> admiral, even the state

department suggests these new sanctions are going to be along the same lines of what we've seen so far. there is a wall street journal editorial encouraging the administration to seize roughly $300 billion in russian funds being held in western banks around the world and use it to rebuild ukraine. garry kasparov has suggested just don't acknowledge him as the president of russia, that hits him where he lives. he wants legitimacy. he wants people to respect him. what is in the tool kit if not some of the -- if not something beyond, you know, what we know is problematic in congress, which is passing aid to ukraine. >> yeah, number one -- and i'm just going to draw a line under it -- the number one thing the united states could do to knock back vladimir putin would be to succeed in blunting his invasion of ukraine and the president should not miss a moment of making that point. number two, you could go after vladimir putin's personal

wealth. you could do that using cyber tools, for example. number three, you mentioned it. you could go after the russian assets. i think it's well north of 300 billion. we'd need cooperation from the europeans, and number 4, very difficult in terms of economic impact and knock on effect would be to declare secondary sanctions, meaning you're not just sanctioning russians and putin, but you sanction people who deal with him, meaning you'd have to go after other nations who are buying his oil, buying his natural gas, that's highly controversial, very difficult. all four of those things will be hard to do, peter is right, the administration doesn't have a lot of good options. >> so let's go back to the sanctions, if we can, richard. why have they not perhaps hit as hard as some people including joe biden hoped they would when some sweeping sanctions were first imposed, and is there

anything else you see in the tool kit? >> reporter: well, i think a big reason is because of china. china has not agreed with the sanctions. china has become a very close ally of president xi and president putin talk about this enduing relationship. it has helped vladimir putin keep his economy going, but it has also made russia more and more dependent on china. so you could look at it as this is an advantage because it has allowed it to evade sanctions. it is also historically a reversal. it was always the soviet union that was the dominant player in the communist world in the sort of asian geopolitics. now it is very much china that is calling the shots. but going back to what admiral stavridis was saying, a lot of it depends on ukraine. vladimir putin is betting that he can win in ukraine and then break this cycle of dependency

and reestablish an empire. it's often been said that russia on its own is weak. with ukraine, it is an empire, and i think that is what vladimir putin is hoping, that he can strike now while there is division. he could make as much territorial gains as he possibly can leading up to his rubber stamp elections next month, and then hopefully from his point of view, he can get a divided country and potentially a trump administration. so i think he's bullish about the future if he can make gains here in ukraine. >> yeah, it certainly seems like he thinks that he is within striking distance of winning the war. is he really, admiral? >> no, he is not, and i think we are at pretty close to peak putin in terms of ukraine, simply because of the level of casualties he sustained, 125,000

killed, probably 200,000 grievously wounded, 500,000 young russians have departed russia in order to avoid the draft. he's going after mercenaries from cuba to the chechens, he does not have the means to simply sweep across ukraine unless the united states simply walks completely away. i can't imagine us doing that. where i think this thing lands most likely, the best putin can hope for is a negotiation that freezes the frame roughly where it is now, a korean style war ending. we're a long way away from that. that's not going to happen until after our elections because that answers the question will the u.s. stay in this. i sure hope we do. >> well, that brings us back to congress coming back, peter, what, 10, 11 days from now, and the whole question of aid to ukraine. $95 billion, everything that we enumerated at the top of this show from the death of alexei navalny.

they've taken a los angeles ballerina into custody. the satellite, on and on and on. is there any sense that the biden administration has a plan to use all of that successfully to put pressure on members of congress to get that aid passed? >> well, we certainly hope that the navalny death changes the dynamics on capitol hill that reminds recalcitrant house republican leaders who don't want to have a vote on the floor on ukraine aid, what's at stake here. vladimir putin is not a friend of the united states. he's not a friend of the west. he's not a friend of civilization. he's in fact, as the biden administration would put it a ruthless killer and the united states has an interest in standing up to him. whether that changes the dynamics on the hill, i'm not so sure. the house has to worry about a government shutdown. they have to figure out a way to avoid, you know, a looming crisis on that alone. it's possible if they come up with a deal to keep the spending

levels going and they could somehow throw in ukraine aid in there, i think that's conceivable, but remember the pressure that speaker johnson is under. people like marjorie taylor greene are saying they will put a motion to vacate the chair. that is to oust the speaker if he were to allow a vote on the ukraine aid on the floor. she knows and everybody else knows if it were to get to the floor, there is a bipartisan majority for it. the conservative hard line wing of the republicans right now are holding speaker johnson to account in trying to keep him from allowing that vote. >> where have we seen this record played before, which brings me, if i can, to the larger picture, admiral. that is how closely the rest of the world, particularly europe and our other allies are watching. the polish foreign minister was on "morning joe" this morning, and he was asked about how the rest of the world views this. let me play for you what he said. >> if this persists, if countries conclude that america cannot come to help them, even when its president wants to,

countries will start hedging. countries will have second thoughts, and this will not increase american influence around the world. >> do you think the deadlock in congress has the potential to do just that, admiral in. >> oh, of course it does, and he is a very clear-eyed observer of european sensibilities. he's married to anne applebaum, one of the great commentators on the soviet union and russia. he is well worth listening to. the greatest comparative advantage of the united states in the world is our glittering array of alliances, partnerships, and friendships. we risk that when we don't stand up to a thug and a killer like vladimir putin, and exactly as he says, the tendency will be to lean away from the united states to hedge bets. that is at great cost to the

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ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy for copd because breathing should be beautiful. for joe biden's re-election campaign, his unwavering support for israel in the face of gaza's escalating death toll now above 29,000 lives is hurting him. there are only five days to go before the primary in michigan where a razor thin victory helped him take the white house in 2020, and he's down 45 to 41% with 14% undecided. that state has the nation's biggest muslim and arab populations and they're furious with joe biden. >> you took our word, you turned around stabbed us in the back.

took our money -- our money is used to kill our brothers and sisters. how -- this is just inexcusable. >> another national poll backs up biden's vulnerability on the war, although biden is ahead of trump, 49 to 45% in this late quinnipiac survey, both democrats and independents oppose more military support for israel, by significant margins. if there is good news for joe biden, it's this. both polls are within the margin of error and have enough undecided voters to move the race. nbc's yasmin vossoughian is reporting from dearborn, michigan. msnbc's cornell well cher is here. when you look at those polls, is it more negative than positive for biden, or is your read that there actually is still a real opening for him?

>> it's not how i look at the polls. especially because we're looking at the horse race number, and the horse race number at this point is not predictive. it gives us a snapshot, and what we see consistently in the horse race polls is that donald trump doesn't lose any support. we know he's going to get his 46 -- between 46, 47, 48% regardless of what happens, regardless of how many indictments. what's left out there is the majority, and the questions that we have as pollsters is does the president or any candidate have a story to tell to the undecided voters or the voters who are soft in the middle? does he have a story to tell? look, i've been picking up on a lot of frustration with the gaza conflict as well. it's understandable that people are angry about, they're angry about it and they want it to stop. and look, in michigan, where

you've been reporting here, it is a huge issue in a large arab community there that are upset about this. at the same time, again, it is does biden have a story to tell? what is on the other side of that conversation, the other side of the conversation is a candidate who's talked about banning muslims. a candidate who's talked about rounding protesters and is putting in a plan as has been reported of mass deportation of brown people. so there's a story to tell there, but clearly that frustration is there and the president has to walk a thin line between negotiation, as your last segment just talked about, our alliances are our trents here, and the president's got to walk a tight line of not being able to sort of talk to israel and talk to the palestinians and bring them together without sort of putting israel in a corner so that they can't talk to them. so it's a tough place. >> yasmin, you have been hearing from talking to michigan's arab and muslim voters. what are they telling you? >> reporter: it's interesting

because i want to kind of jump off of what cornell was just talking about there, in that many of these folks feel like the story has already been told, right? the thousands of lives have already been lost. the story behind joe biden's decisions have already been seen happening in gaza, they're realtime images coming across their phones every single day. these are folks that i spoke to yesterday who voted for joe biden in 2020. these were not trump supporters. they are never trumpers. they don't want to necessarily vote for donald trump, and they don't plan on ever voting for donald trump. they're voting uncommitted in this primary come tuesday. two of them are on the fence when it comes to november. two of them said they will not with voting for joe biden no matter what. it's because of what cornell talked about, they're angry about gaza. they're angry about the lack of a proclamation of a cease fire from president joe biden. let's take listen to some of, chris, what they said and then we'll talk. >> you cannot keep killing

people with our money and just keep thinking that, oh, we are stupid enough to elect you again because we'll fall in line. we'll forget. this is an insult to me. >> the straightforward simple answer for the biden administration is push for a cease fire. stop aiding israel in their war crimes, and i guarantee you there are enough people who would be willing to deal with it and vote for the man. >> i'm willing to let go of joe biden and oppose joe biden, make him a one-term president, punish joe biden by making him a one-term president, and pairing his loss with the genocide in gaza. >> reporter: so the second voter that we heard from, he, in fact, is undecided. he said to us he hasn't necessarily decided what he's going to do come november. he will be voting uncommitted. the other two said they will not, no matter what changes

happen will not be voting for joe biden come november. i also think this is kind of the bigger problem in which they talked about with me repeatedly, and that is of the democratic party and the two-party system in this country, and it's part of the reason why they're kind of firing this warning shot with this primary come tuesday in that they want the political system to understand, they want the democratic party specifically to understand that they don't feel like they're being heard, and they don't feel as if the candidate that are in place are the ones they want there, and they want that to be heard and they feel as if by not voting for joe biden, maybe finally that message will come across because they told me they've spent too long voting for the lesser of two evils, when they finally want to pull that lever for someone in which they actually believe in that will carry out the very policies they feel like will support their community. and this is kind of a cross pollination, chris, of not just the arab american community, the

muslim american community, but young voters as well. >> so cornell, that brings me back to your point. he has to make the comparison between what you get with joe biden and what you get with donald trump. he's the pushback i'm hearing from those voters and i'm hearing from yasmin, and it's this. more arabs and muslims mobilize for joe biden by far in 2020 than they did for hillary clinton in 2016. maybe it's a coincidence or maybe it's a big part of the reason she lost and he won. second is even if you don't vote for donald trump and you were a biden voter, that's still a loss for joe biden, right? so -- >> yes. >> that comparison doesn't work. you can send kamala harris there. you can send her husbandlandrie can still go there, but if they

still see on the ground thousands of people in gaza, children, women dying, i don't know how much showing up or talking about the difference between you and donald trump moves them. am i wrong? >> no. well, i wouldn't say -- excellent reporting, by the way, on the ground there, excellent reporting as always. here's the issue. look, i would love to drive a -- i have to make the choice of lesser two evils all the time, especially people of color have historically had to make a choice between the lesser of two evils. this idea that you can't have a conversation with voters about the lesser of two evils is problematic because we do and we have over time. look, i think there's a story to be told, yes, you're angry, but joe biden is, in fact, trying to do what that one voter talked about is push for a cease fire. now, he is pushing for a cease fire right now. what's the alternative? if you think, you know, what's

happening there is heartbreak and tragic and people are dying, but quite frankly, to hand the keys of the white house and america over to netanyahu's -- someone who's going to be netanyahu's best friend and is going to let netanyahu do whatever he wants to do, that can't be an alternative. you do have to choose between the lesser of two evils, that's the story they have to tell. >> for sure there are lots of elections over many decades where people felt they had to choose from the lesser of two evils. nevertheless, it's going to be fascinating. great reporting, yasmin. i love having you on the show, cornell, thank you so much. right now at&t says it is making some progress in restoring cell phone service for tens of thousands of customers who woke up to a nightmare. they couldn't make calls, they couldn't get texts, they couldn't access the internet. brian cheung is following this story. count me among them. >> me too. yeah. >> at least on one of my two

phones. how bad is it now? did they fix it? >> at&t settlement in a statement released an hour ago, they've gotten about 3/4 of their network back and working properly. some people who had their phones stuck in sos mode said they were able to get back and make calls. this was a huge disruption that escalated through the course of the morning, in some cases preventing people from being able to access emergency services. if they were trying to dial 911, it may not have been going through. emergency services were saying they were advising people to use a land line, even though many people don't have land lines anymore. this was a big issue. we don't know the reason for this. that's the big open question right now. at&t has not clarified exactly what led to this. they didn't respond to a question from nbc news about what led to this. for what it's worth, kevin collier, a colleague of mine said the u.s. cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency told him it's in touch with at&t but did not say if there was any indication of a cyber attack. we'll have to see.

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daughter-in-law, his hand picked choice for rnc cochair says she thinks republican voters would be all in on having the organization pay his legal bills, but she also admits she doesn't know if that's technically allowed. >> do you think paying for president trump's legal bills is something that is of interest to republican voters? >> absolutely. that's why you've seen a go fund me get started. that's why people are furious when they see the attacks against him, they feel like it's an attack not just on donald trump but on this country. >> help pay his legal bills? >> i don't know where they stand on that. obviously i'm not officially with the rnc, i'd have to get back to you on that. >> a new analysis by the financial times digging into trump's campaign filings shows he needs the money with trump entering the election with about 200,000 fewer donors than he had in the previous election cycle four years ago. vaughn hillyard covering the trump campaign in nashville,

tennessee, also here with us former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg. 200,000 voters is not nothing. is it a sign that something might be catching one trump, or should we not read too much into it? >> reporter: money is absolutely a concern for not only trump but also his allied organizations as well as the republican national committee, which has just $8 million cash on hand, which lara trump is looking to be the co-chair of. i just got off the phone with an rnc member who told me that there's no reason to believe that the committee of 168 members will not support her to be that co-chair. she said there would absolutely be "associated press" in -- interest in covering the legal expenses. in 2022 the rnc executive committee approved the spending of $2 million to help deaf some of donald trump's legal expenses, but when you get to

the question could they do this again, chris, the answer by and large is most likely yes. the fec rules on this are very vague, especially when you get to the point in which donald trump becomes the presumptive nominee and is able to set up what is called the joint fund-raising committee with donald trump's actual campaign. there is no concern at that point over the extent of in-kind contributions to his campaign and the ability of them to pay for his legal bills. they have made the case the trump family, donald trump that this is part of him campaigning, and the only reason that any of these charges or any of these trials have been brought against him is because he was running for president of the united states, and so therefore, to a certain extent, it is the party's obligation to support him, and that is why it turned everybody's heads when he sought to have his daughter-in-law come in as co-chair. i was just on the phone with another individual who told me that they see no reason as to why the rnc would not and could not approve these funds if, in fact, the daughter-in-law of

donald trump were to step in that position and seek the approval of what is an rnc that is currently full of trump loyalists activists, chris. >> chuck, it looks like the rnc could do it but "the financial times" says this raises questions about his fund-raising machine just as legal bills eat into his war chest as we set it up. a lot of his fund-raising emails say outright, you know, we're being persecuted. we have all these legal cases. can he take any amount of money he wants, whether it's super pac money or his own fund-raising arm, direct fund-raising and use it for whatever he wants. >> he certainly does raise money based on grievances, and vaughn hillyard is a much better lawyer than me. he's right, the fec rules are complex and vague. but generally speaking, as long as the rnc is abiding by federal election law and their own bylaws, they can spend money as they see fit, including to support the president in his

legal travails. mr. trump has had some trouble raising money, but he is relentless at it, i guess as most successful politicians are, and he will continue to raise money off of his legal jeopardy. >> meantime, as you know, donald trump also asked the judge to delay the enforcement of his $355 million civil fraud ruling by 30 days. his team says that's the only way that there can be -- and i'm going to quote them here, an orderly post-judgment process. break this down for us. is this just another delaying tactic, or is it legit? >> well, it's not much of a delaying tactic because ultimately there's going to be a signed judgment. let me explain that. so the judge issued an order and found that mr. trump owed the state 350 some odd million dollars. that number will probably go over 400 million with interest. the judge also has to sign an order, a judgment, right, cementing that order, and right now there's a little back and

forth between the lawyers as there often is about the exact language of that judgment. ultimately, chris, it will be signed, and it coupled with the order will form the basis for an appeal. is it a delaying tactic? not much of one. will it ultimately be signed? absolutely, and will mr. trump ultimately appeal the order that judge engoron entered finding him liable for those hundreds of millions of dollars. absolutely. so the real delaying tactic is around the corner. negotiating the language in this judgment, i think is sort of a speed bump. >> and it's a full-time job for all of our legal analysts, thank you so much, chuck. vaughn hillyard, appreciate you as well. a new florida law could allow us to see the evidence and trademark in jeffrey epstein's 2006 state prosecution case, what we could learn and why is this happening now. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. u're watg reports" only on msnbc

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we have an update on the case of gabby petito, the 22-year-old whose disappearance and murder during a cross country road trip riveted the nation in 2021. her parents have now reached a settlement in their emotional distress lawsuit against the parents and attorneys of brian laund ree, gabby's boyfriend who took responsibility for her death. the petito's allege that

laundrie's parents and attorney knew their daughter was dead but lied to them and the public. in a statement, they say their hope is to close this chapter, to move on and continue to honor the legacy of our beautiful daughter, gabby. florida governor ron desantis says he will sign a new law allowing previously unseen evidence from the 2006 state prosecution against jeffrey epstein to become public. secrecy has surrounded that case for years, questions about why the grand jury only indicted epstein, a sexual predator, on a single charge of soliciting prostitution. now we may soon have a better idea why. nbc's tom winter is with me. what more might we learn from these new materials, what exactly is in there? >> this is hyper focused to the state case, the state investigation. the palm beach police department and a detective who's now deceased, they opened up an investigation into epstein and get to a point where their search his house. his computers were missing when

they got there, by the way, having recently been removed. that's a question mark. we know from my discussions with him prior to his death he was actually followed at some different points, but they did develop a significant group of whom they believe to be victims of epstein who were often taken to the house that we're looking at on screen. these are arrows before the house was demolished and basically wanted to move this case before the grand jury. the big question here is not so much how much additional information is before the grand jury, but whether or not there was much information presented to the grand jury at all, which could also be telling. in other words, was it on the state attorney's office, was it that office that started to jam this up and was that the reason why the feds initially became involved and the fbi did want to initially make an arrest shortly after opening their investigation and then we all know the federal plea deal, alex acosta and everything we've been talking about for the last five plus years on this case. >> i want to ask you quickly, do

we know when we might get this, and could there be major redactions so a lot of these questions aren't actually answered? >> sure, assuming if right this instant governor desantis signed this into law, it's still got to go back to the courts. that's something we're waiting to hear on. how will the courts determine the release on this material. have the proper redactions and transcriptions been done? we're talking about minor victims of sex assault. that's something that we need to figure out, and then what are the mechanics of that? it was the palm beach post that brought this lawsuit. they paid for that transcription. do they get first access to it, basically a lot of logistical questions yet to be answered. it does appear we will get these records at some point. >> tom winter, thank you. officials in oklahoma acknowledge there are many unresolved questions about what happened to a 16-year-old nonbinary student who died one day after a fight in a high school bathroom. the school does have video from the hallway that shows nex benedict before and after the fight. a police spokesperson says

investigators have reviewed the footage and will release it to the public at some point. police are still investigating, but the student's family say they pray for meaningful change wherein bullying is taken seriously and no family has to deal with another preventable tragedy. nbc's steve romo is following this for us. steven, what more to we know about this? >> yeah, chris, this is getting so much attention, in part because of these bullying allegations but also because this is all happening in the backdrop of anti-lgbtq laws and rhetoric that has been going on in oklahoma for years now. here's what we know of the time line for what happened to nex. on february 7th, the school says there was a physical altercation in the high school's bathroom. the students involved that went to the nurses and administrators office, the parents were called. the nurse then decided an ambulance was not needed and a bit later nex's family took them to the hospital and they called police the first time police

were alerted to this situation according to officers. the next evening, february 8th, nex was rushed back to the hospital and pronounced dead. now, the school says it followed protocol in all of this. the family speaking out saying they want this to be fully and fairly investigated. nex's mom, sue benedict also releasing just a heartbreaking statement, chris, saying, quote, we are sorry for not using their name correctly and as parents we were still learning the correct forms. please do not bully us for our ignorance. i lost my child. the headstone will have the correct name of their choice. just so difficult to see that, and potentially a message to other parents of lgbtq+ young people. meanwhile, advocates with human rights campaign saying that we can't ignore the context in which this is happening. >> it's not just nex's story. it is a story of what is happening because of so much hate that is targeted towards

the trans and nonbinary community in this country. it's not just the bills, it's the culture of rhetoric and actions traumatizing our community. >> oklahoma has passed many laws specifically targeting the trans community, bathroom restrictions, banning gender affirming care for minors and banning gender neutral markers on birth certificate and the state currently has 54 more bills that are considered to be anti-lgbtq+ that they are currently considering, this context important to keep in mind as we learn more about the bullying allegations and what exactly happened to nex. chris. >> steven romo, tragic, thank you so much. new information on the military's grounded osprey helicopters after the number of deadly crashes mounts. our nbc investigation is next. plus, with all the cell phone craziness today, you might have missed this exciting news, a moon landing today for the first time since 1972. the details to come.

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