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us. >> and that is how we end the week here on "morning joe." ceo of the antidefamation league, jonathan greenblatt, thank you very, very much for being on. >> final thoughts this morning. this has been an, i don't know, incredibly emotional show on a number of levels. just so many issues that are so painful coming to an inflection point. >> we have so many things, the most important thing is that people, you know, stay engaged. people stay optimistic. people continue to believe that right will win out. not only on this issue, but also in elections this year. that requires everybody getting involved, stepping forward and doing whatever they can to protect, whether it's protecting jews or arabs on campus, whether it's protecting american democracy in the voting booth.
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>> women's right, yulia navalny. >> whatever it is, we can all do it together. >> that does it for us this morning. yasmin vossoughian picks up the coverage right now. right now on msnbc, a new salvo against russia, the white house announcing over 500 new sanctions this morning against russian entities, as the war in ukraine approaches the two-year mark. will it be enough to hurt russia's war machine? >> plus, the final stretch, the south carolina republican primary set for tomorrow, both donald trump and nikki haley making their final pitches to the vote. our very own steve kornacki is here with a preview. later on as well, trump's latest try to get the classified documents case thrown out. but will it work? ♪♪ hi, everything, good to see you. good morning to you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for ana cabrera live here in new
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york. we're going to begin with that breaking news this morning, the white house taking a new aim at russia and russian president vladimir putin with 500 new sanctions. the largest round of sanctions since the invasion of ukraine began. they're mostly not against household names, but instead targeting key parts of russia's financial and military infrastructure as well as people outside of russia, who have helped russia, quote, maintain and build the war machine. they come on the two-year anniversary of the invasion into ukraine and one week after the death of russian opposition leader alexei navalny. also with us is michael allen, former special assistant to the president and senior director of the national security council and staff director of the house intel committee. aaron, if you will, start us off from the white house. walk us through these sanctions that we're getting in along with the reaction to the two-year anniversary of the war in ukraine? >> we are just getting more
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details about these sanctions, and obviously with that anniversary coming tomorrow, these sanctions are targeted at russia because of its invasion and subsequent war in ukraine as well as the death of alexei navalny. the president putting out a statement early this morning, making clear those are the two reasons we're seeing this significant number of sanctions being presented. 500 sanctions coming from the department of treasury and the department of state that will target people who were connected to alexei navalny's imprisonment as well as different people in the russian community, individuals, government officials, there are businesses, other people who have had ways of financing russia's war effort as well as the defense industrial complex inside russia. i want you to hear a little bit of what the deputy treasury secretary had to say about this issue when he spoke to reuters about these sanctions. >> we know that russia has grossly violated not only the human rights of the ukrainian people, but also the human
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rights of russians. our goal ultimately is to put us in a position where we hold russia accountable for the actions that they've taken, and that's exactly what we're going to continue to do. >> and significantly, i think, yasmin, part of the sanctions we're seeing today will include the administration going after sanctions evaders. there have been many sanctions levied against russia over the last two years, and there have been ways russia has been able to find around these sanctions, and today we're seeing another targeting of these evasion tactics. the commerce department has been taking action with trade restrictions on some 90 companies that the president has said have been in the background supporting russia. yasmin. >> richard, i want to talk through a couple of things. i want to talk first and foremost about navalny's mother and what we're hearing from her in the wake of her son's death. i know there's been some advancement on that conversation, along with kind of the reaction we've been hearing from these new sanctions that have been leveled against
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russia. >> so since we were just talking about it, i'll start with the sanctions. people here say there is no substitute for weapons, that the sanctions system has already been tried and has not been terribly successful. the russian economy has proven to be very robust, particularly as china, india, and brazil have stepped in and bought a lot of russian oil. according to one count, since the invasion two years ago in february 2022, there have been about 16,500 sanctions imposed on russia by the united states, europe, and other allies of ukraine, so with these new sanctions that brings it to 17,000. >> wow. >> yet, the russian economy has proven to be quite strong and in some cases, is even growing. so i think the effectiveness of these sanctions, certainly from
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a ukrainian perspective, has played out, and they say what they really need, what the soldiers in the trenches need, is not more of the same but something different, which the united states so far has not been able to produce, which is consensus aid to get money and weapons here quickly. in terms of navalny's mother, she was given an offer, she says, by the prison authority to receive the body of her son, of alexei navalny, but on one condition, one condition she found unacceptable because she gave her response online calling it a crime. she said that navalny, the prison authorities said that they could hand over her son only if she conducted a burial in secret so that there would not be any rallying point, that there wouldn't become protests, it wouldn't become an antigovernment movement. she said she signed a death
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certificate. russian officials insist that navalny's cause of death was natural causes, but she said that she refused to accept this condition of a secret burial. >> so richard, you said something that stood out to me, which was how folks are reacting and that is that sanctions don't substitute for the weapons that they need on the battlefield. we're on the eve of the two-year anniversary of the invasion into ukraine. what does the battlefield look like today? >> reporter: the battlefield doesn't look great. i was just out in a front line village the other day. we are now in the city of kharkiv, which itself has come under attack numerous times, and there are many analysts in this country who believe that russia still has designs on this city, which is the second largest city in ukraine. it is the sort of unofficial capital of the east. russia initially tried to take it over in the early days of the war, carried out a very destructive campaign here, and then was pushed back from this
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city and from the region around this city. but those attacks have increased here. they have increased along much of the eastern and southern are front lines as russia is using it, using what it can use, its strategic advantage. it has more troops. it has a greater population. it has a bigger military industrial base. the problem with ukraine from the start has always been that it is dependent on united states and europe for its weapons, for its ability to wage war against russia. this has always been a david and goliath struggle, but the u.s. has been arming david with a lot more than a slingshot, and now that the weapons aren't coming, the fundamental imbalance here between the two countries, between russia and ukraine, is becoming more apparent. that's why they say more sanctions or people here say more sanctions aren't
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necessarily what they need. they've already tried that, and in this world of fluid money, in this polarized world where the u.s. and russia economies are already effectively decoupled, that this is just more of the same and that what they need are guns and bombs to stop the russian assault. >> michael, i'm going to come to you in just a moment on sanctions. aaron, i just want to quickly get to where we are when it comes to an aid package. i know schumer's on the ground right now in ukraine with a senate delegation, right? they're trying to get this thing over the finish line because of issues like what richard just laid out for us on the battlefield. where are we on this? >> reporter: so we know that the senate passed the $60 billion plan that would provide that money for ukraine to be able to replenish its supplies on the battlefield and that that measure has been stuck in the house. we've heard from president biden while he was traveling yesterday in california, and every other member of the administration who's spoken about ukraine's needs, they've said that the
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house of representatives needs to take action on this plan that has been put in front of them, rather than be on vacation as they are this week. that seems to be the position the administration is taking here, not that they have a backup plan or a plan b to get these supplies to ukraine. they want to hammer home the fact that the house of representatives held up the process and by holding up the process, they are further enabling russia to continue to attack ukraine and to make the inroads that it's been making particularly in the last couple of weeks or the last couple of months, since the last aid package the u.s. was able to are provide to ukraine which was back in december. at this point, it does seem as though this push for the house to make a move and the push for more sanctions combined is the plan that the u.s. -- that the biden administration is trying to advance at this point. >> all right, michael, let's talk through sanctions first, and then i want to talk about the battlefield in ukraine. so first and foremost is kind of the question of effectiveness of
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these sanctions. take a look at -- richard laid this out for us, the number of sanctions that have been leveled against moscow over the last two years or so since this invasion began. they're in the thousands at this point, but then you look at the gdp, this is coming from cnbc, the economic growth of russia as reported by the international monetary fund, raising it from 1.1% to 2.6%, so they are seeing growth to their economy in spite of the fact that all these sanctions have been leveled against them. how effective really are they in deterring kind of vladimir putin acting with the impunity that he has? >> so i don't -- i don't think that they are going to be valuable for deterring putin. what we hope it will do is slow down the growth of the russian economy and slow down the
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transfers of oil, of energy, and banks that finance the transfer of that energy. that is the touch stone of an effective sanctions regime against the russians. does it take on their chief export, and so as we pore through these sanctions, those are the things we need to look for. the banks and the energy sector, and then it will be more likely that these sanctions will be more effective in the long-term. >> we're also hearing some of these sanctions are involving sanctioning iran as well because they're worried about iran continuing to supply weapons to russia on the battlefield in ukraine, which we know they have done in the past. speaking, michael, if we can quickly about the battlefield in ukraine as well, the lack of weapons that they have right now, right, which allows vladimir putin and the russian military to advance further, they just took a key city in ukraine. do you think congress -- do you
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think americans in general understand how important it is to stop vladimir putin in his advancement and what it means kind of geopolitically? >> i think that over time, those of us who support more assistance to ukraine are beginning to lose the battle. we need to do a more effective job, president biden needs to do a more effective job of explaining why it's in the national interest of the united states, and if we don't stop the russians in ukraine over time, they're going to continue to roll westward and threaten nato, and it will be much more expensive then. so i believe we've got to continue to hit these arguments very far. by the way, i mean, i know donald trump is not wild about more assistance to ukraine, but i think he gave the house republicans an opening recently. he said why don't we do this as a loan? i know that's not ideal, but it
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reminds me of lynn lease in world war ii that fdr did. maybe we should take yes for an answer, convert it into some sort of loan, worry about the repayment options later. maybe that's a quicker way from a to b to change the legislation and get the money and the weapons to the ukrainians as soon as possible? >> michael allen, thank you. >> richard engel, aaron gilchrist, thank you guys as well: still ahead a freed hostage's fight to release fellow captives from hamas. and the legal setback in one donald trump's other cases. up first, a south carolina showdown, steve kornacki is here to break it all down, the stakes of tomorrow's gop primary. while it's an uphill battle for nikki haley in her home state, not everybody is on board with trump. >> even if she doesn't have a chance, i just want to make sure that she knows that people here support her. e support her.
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tomorrow is the republican primary in south carolina, the ultimate test for nikki haley in her home state, but can she breakthrough donald trump's commanding lead in the polls, i want to bring in nbc news correspondent ali vitali in moncks corner, south carolina. steve kornacki here at the big board, and joseph bustos. expectations for tomorrow, what are we looking at? >> by all the polling, donald trump obviously the huge favorite tomorrow. it would be a monumental upset if nikki haley won: but let's take a look at the basic demographic question here for her, sort of the political demographics. that is to say take a look back to the last contest. nikki haley lost it to donald trump by 11 points, but it really tells the story of what we see in every poll in every state on the republican side. it's this. in new hampshire, remember,
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independents could vote. you know, democrats, self-identified democrats could vote as well. half the electorate, half the electorate, only one out of every two votes was actually a self-identified republican in new hampshire. and look at that, donald trump won by almost 50 points with them. the reason haley only lost by 11 is look at this massive number of independents who voted in new hampshire, and she won them by 19 points. there's even a group of self-identified democrats who voted as well. look at that, she won them basically almost unanimously. this combination of independents and democrats, they were together half the electorate in new hampshire. >> wow. >> and haley cleaned up with them, but she got clobbered among republicans and it translated to an 11 point loss for her statewide. why am i bringing this up? south carolina's an open primary. there's no party registration in the state. haley to have any chance of winning or at least having a strong showing, this is the same dynamic she's relying on. she needs a big number of
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independents, a big number of democrats, and the issue in south carolina is history says they don't vote at this level. take a look here, this is the breakdown this century of republicans, independents, democrats, this is based on how they identify themselves in republican primaries. last time around 2016, it was 24% total, independents plus democrats. in new hampshire last month it was 50, in 2012 the total was 29. in 2008 the total was 20. 2000 is the closest it gets to an electorate that haley's looking for. it was 30% independent, 9% democratic, it added up to 39% total. that was the bush mccain contest, you remember mccain was hugely popular with independent voters and even some democrats. that 39% of the electorate in 2000 being an independent or a democrat, even that mccain still lost by 11. haley going to have to get an even bigger number. a significantly bigger number of
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independents and democrats. she's going to have to make history. she's going to have to bring out an electorate in the south carolina republican primary that is composed of more independents and more democrats than we have ever seen. >> ali, is she going to make history? what are you hearing? >> reporter: i am so glad that steve did that explainer. that is part of the strategy here on the ground in south carolina is, yes, we see nikki haley trying to remind folks of a time when she was governor in this state, a time when republicans elected her twice statewide, but this is a state that has changed a lot. we have seen the republican party and, frankly, the republican south carolina voter really remade in the trumpian ideological image, that so-called maga image, and i think that's the republican who is dominant here in this kind of a primary. it's why we see polling to the effect of trump leading haley by anywhere between 20 and 30 points, almost a two to one margin. yes, steve, is right that those are the kinds of voters who she's really going to have to
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appeal to if she has a shot of closing this gap. making history would be difficult. i have yet -- and this is by no means yet a scientific metric, i have yet to meet a democrat who said they sat out in the democratic primary, which happened two weeks ago and they're planning on reserving their vote to vote for haley in this primary. i do know democrats in this state who have gotten text messages saying please vote for nikki haley in the republican primary. those efforts are very much underway. what i have found is haley voters grapping with the polling and the potential reality that she might not win now. they're still supporting her. listen to why. >> that's what i'm worried about that if he gets chosen, that he may not make it against biden and we're going to be stuck in the same situation we're in at this moment. >> so maybe not this year, maybe this is just a setup for four years from now. i just want her to see that we
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love her and that we're supporting her no matter what. >> we'll be casting our ballots on super tuesday for nikki in virginia anyway, although she probably won't carry that on the republican side either. >> reporter: all of those voters sort of forecasting, yasmin, the fact that they don't know and, frankly, they don't know yet if haley can win. those first two are south carolina voters who say they're supporting her regardless. they don't want to see trump as the nominee, in large part because they have electability concerns. that middle voter was saying she has moral and character concerns about the former president as well, but that last voter, a couple from virginia, they don't vote for another week and a half. haley's going to be in for a super tuesday state, even there they're not confident she can with. >> just quickly, are they identifying as independents, those three folks that you played, the folks that you've been talking to mostly that are
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voting for nikki haley? are they identifying as independents or rm republicans? >> these folks are republicans. the first two voted for trump in the past. the last two voters are registered republicans but they said they vote for the person over the party, but still, i mean, i'm talking to republicans who want the alternative. they're not overwhelmingly, at least at haley events, independents. >> joseph, i want to talk about this open primary, right, and what you're looking at and what you've been hearing as well. when it comes to democrats and independents? >> so traditionally we haven't seen that many people actually cross over and vote. it is an open primary. people in both party discourage crossover voting. the democratic party told people not to vote in the republican party, and the state party chairman for the gop has said, yeah, it does happen from time to time, but it's not enough to actually sway the results.
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we see primary pivot on the ground and independents moving the needle trying to get independents and democrats to cross over and participate, but polling shows it doesn't -- it's not going to close the gap enough for haley. >> i've seen some reporting when it comes to nikki haley as to why she hasn't necessarily resonated with south carolina voters, joseph, and some of it is about the fact that they feel as if she's abandoned them, right? she's abandoned the state of south carolina in a kind of a grass roots way after serving as governor there. is this something that you feel as if is echoed by a lot of south carolinians? >> last time she was on the ballot in south carolina, there were 2.8 million registered voters. there's now 3.2 million registered voters. the state has grown, a lot of republicans moving are from blue states into south carolina. she has a little pit of introducing herself into new residents in the state. she hasn't been an elected official in south carolina since
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2017 when she became ambassador to the united nations. a lot of it is trying to remind people what she was like as governor. trump has such a grip on the party that people who support trump, they remember when nikki haley said she wouldn't run for president if trump ran for re-election. she changed that position citing the midterm results. there is a change that has taken place here in south carolina, and she has to fight and try to remind people what it was like when she was governor. >> joseph bustos, thank you, ali vitali, steve kornacki, thank you as well. rachel maddow leads analysis of the south carolina primary with our own steve kornacki breaking it down, the results at the big board, special coverage beginning tomorrow 6:30 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. you won't want to miss that. today we are learning more about that cell service outage that affected thousands of people for several hours across the country. according to at&t the outage was not caused by a cyber attack but
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welcome back. this morning we're following a new push from donald trump's legal team to get charges thrown out with an immunity defense, this time in his case over the classified documents kept at mar-a-lago. trump's lawyers making their arguments in four new public filings, and three more emailed privately to the court, in addition to the immunity defense. they also argue the statute that trump was charged with, it's vague in relation to presidents and the special counsel appointment is unconstitutional as well. i want to bring in glenn kirschner an msnbc legal analyst, a couple of things in this filing that we should probably talk through. what is your reaction to kind of what you read? >> you know, i guess i'm not surprised, yasmin that he -- that donald trump and his lawyers have made all of these legal challenges in their most recent filings. i don't think any of them are winning challenges. let's first acknowledge that
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attacking a statute for being void of vagueness is actually a thing. there's a legitimate motion claiming that the statute is unconstitutional. the defendant has the burden of proving that, and that is rarely a winning claim. these are statutes that have been run through congress, closely vetted, signed into law by the president. that's a losing argument in my estimation. he also argues he has presidential immunity. that seems to be a losing argument because the bulk of the crimes for which he's charged in the documents case happened after he left the presidency including the obstruction of justice and the espionage laws that he allegedly violated by retaining national defense information, and then finally he has this what i'll call harebrained assertion that the presidential records act that he claims he gets to keep them all. that's no different than he
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declared all the money in the u.s. treasury his while he was president so he gets to take it when he leaves the oval office. all of these will be rejected by any judge who is an honest broker of the law. we'll have to see how judge aileen cannon hand ls them. >> when it comes to the immunity claim by the former president and his attorney, is it likely the supreme court if which when they make a decision on the immunity claim when it comes to d.c., that will also apply to this as well? >> great question. that will answer the mail and that will cause the judge to apply the supreme court precedent, if we get supreme court precedent saying a president does not enjoy absolute immunity against prosecution for crimes he committed while in office. and then that will be a basis to reject that motion. >> "new york times" reporting they're looking a at couple of different tests, she's got a couple of different tests ahead of her when it comes to this. she's been seen as quote, unquote friendly to the former
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president in the past. what are you going to be watching? >> yeah, and i would say beyond friendly. 11th circuit said she abused her judicial discretion. i think it's beyond being friendly. she's made some decisions that jack smith's team has put in filings were just an absolute abuse of discretion. i hope at some point it reaches critical mass and jack smith decides he has enough to file a motion to recuse. i think the best way to deal with the lingering questions about whether her impartiality might reasonably be questioned, which is the federal statute requiring removal, is to litigate this issue, let it go up to the 11th circuit and then when a full record on the facts is developed, the 11th circuit can say there's enough to recuse, there's not enough to recuse, and then we'll have to live with that decision, but until it's litigated, i don't think anybody will have a satisfactory answer to it.
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>> all right, glenn, stick with me, if up. i want to turn to another story that we are now following. the ex-fbi source charged with lying to the fbi about president biden and his son hunter was arrested for a second time yesterday in las vegas. alexander smirnov who you can see spot shadowed as he obscured his face leaving court earlier this week, was released on conditions including gps monitoring after a hearing on tuesday. but then prosecutors said he was a flight risk and asked a second judge for a new arrest warrant, which, in fact, was granted. nbc's investigative correspondent tom winter has more on this. still with us as well is glenn kirschner. talk to us about if you will the argument that was being made by prosecutors here that was subsequently granted, the second arrest. >> that's a big question. did they make another argument to the judge, the circuit judge.
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we have two judges at play here, in las vegas, in nevada, we have a magistrate judge. that's where he was arrested coming home from a business trip, that's where smirnov was there. as we reported earlier this week, in the course of his interview, once he was in handcuffs, they say he said that, the information he was pushing out there on president biden and hunter biden it came from russian intelligence officers. we have that is what happened there. the magistrate judge in nevada is the one that granted his release with the conditions you described. there's a circuit court judge in los angeles where the indictment was unsealed and where the grand jury sat, that's where the case will be. that judge was asked, hey, can you revisit this decision by the judge in nevada and we want this guy hauled in. all of a sudden yesterday -- and we knew about it from the defense, not from the prosecution -- he is rearrested on the same indictment and the same charges. >> while he's with his lawyers. >> exactly, while he's with his lawyers. is there something that happened in the meantime that has come up here.
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there's a number of docket entries that are missing and sealed documents that have been filed. was there something that was said to the judge that was filed under seal that was a reason why prosecutors felt he needed to be brought back in. it's a bit of an unusual circumstance from a process standpoint, and so that's really what is one of the things that's caught our attention here. >> so possibly new evidence, different evidence or evidence that has been revealed that had not been revealed. >> it could be has something happened since the moment of his arrest, something that has come up in the course of their ongoing investigative work. i mean, as glenn well knows as a prosecutor and as the fbi, it's not like, oh, we have the indictment. see you later. catch you in a couple of months. that's not typically how investigations go. you learn more information once somebody is put in handcuffs, and you never know what they do after they've been released and they're put in handcuffs. we don't know at this point. >> glenn, is this unusual? and if so, how? >> tom's right, this is a little unusual on the procedural front, but if i had a nickel for every
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time i had a defendant or one of the prosecutors had a defendant who was put on release and then was rearrested, i'd probably have another ten bucks in my wallet. it's not unusual for somebody to be put on release and be rearrested for any number of circumstances. either there was a flight risk, a safety risk. there was a new crime committed or another judge authorized the arrest or rearrest of the person and now we know that's precisely what happened. when i saw the story break of the rearrest, the one thing i kind of felt in my gut was they would not have taken him back into custody if they didn't have a lawful basis and now it turns out they did have a lawful basis because another judge issued an arrest warrant for him. we'll learn more about the details when some of these documents are unsealed, when he is back in court perhaps. this is a little bit of a procedural anomaly, but not all that unusual. >> as tom and i were talking about he was arrested while he was consulting on his legal strategy with his defense
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attorneys. is it likely that his defense has been informed of the reasons and/or evidence, if that is the case, as to why he was rearrested? >> not necessarily, but here's the thing, and this is where the procedural anomaly comes in. because he was already sort of within the jurisdiction of the court, because he'd been presented to the magistrate judge -- and let me just add, when magistrate judges make the decisions, it's not at all unusual for prosecutors to appeal a denial of the tension to the judge who will ultimately hear the case. i think the wiser course would have been to provide more information rather than less to the defense team that was representing smirnov, just to be completely above board and transparent without compromising any classified information. but again, i think if there's a complaint to be lodged by the defense attorneys, you're going to hear about it at the first moment he is presented again in court. >> glenn kirschner, thank you, tom winter thank you as well. what we're learning,
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an israeli delegation arrives in paris for a new round of hostage and cease fire talks. frustration growing inside israel over a lack of an agreement, which has led to large anti-government protests in tel aviv throughout the week. nbc's molly hunter is in jerusalem for us to talk more about this. molly, good to talk to you. where are we on talks right now as they have resumed today in paris, and also, walk us through, if you will, this post-war plan that we're finally getting from bibi netanyahu? >> reporter: yeah, yasmin. as far as where talks stand, that is the biggest update that you just said we know from an israeli official that a delegation has now been sent to paris to continue those negotiations after a heck of a lot of domestic pressures. as you mentioned, those protests from the families of hostages, there have been protests in jerusalem, in tel aviv, lots of pressure on the israeli government to really take these talks seriously and bring the hostages home. so nothing out of paris yet.
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as far as that document you mentioned, i think probably most accurate to talk about it as a proposal that prime minister benjamin netanyahu has put into words for the first time what he envisions in a post-gaza war. you can see on screen, a couple of the points in this document. it was presented to the security cabinet last night, released overnight in israel, and it talks about indefinitely maintaining freedom of operation across the entire gaza strip. it talks about creating a security zone. it talks about deradicalization. it also talks about reconstruction in the gaza strip, very important, i think, to mention two things. one, it does not mention the p.a. at all, doesn't rule them out, but also doesn't mention them by name. it's also important to note that no other country, no other stakeholders have agreed to this or agreed to fund any kind of reconstruction effort. if you ask any palestinian in gaza what they're thinking about, they're thinking about where their next meal is from and surviving, yasmin. >> there's no mention of a two-state solution in that post-war gaza plan from
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netanyahu? no? >> reporter: absolutely not. >> i know you spoke with someone who had been held hostage in gaza for quite some time. and they're also pointing the finger at netanyahu. what did you hear? >> reporter: that's right, we spoke with aviva seagle, she is a south african israeli. she was held for 51 days, she and her husband american keith seagle were taken october 7th. listen to what she tells me about her frustration with the government. >> i think that netanyahu has forgotten about keith and forgotten to be human and bring the human people back. they need to come back as soon as possible. >> and do you think his priorities lie elsewhere? >> i think that bibi netanyahu is thinking about himself more than thinking about us and thinking about keith. he needs to think about keith and get him out as soon as possible. >> when you think about -- when you say think about him, you think he's prioritizing the war?
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to her because she had two jobs. they slammed the production company for hiring her as not just the armorer which they say she was only an armorer for eight days on the entire filming of the movie, but she was also the props assistant and that is what was one of the reasons that led to the killing of halyna hutchins. >> these witnesses are going to describe the defendant's conduct as unprofessional and sloppy. >> harsh words from new mexico prosecutor jason lewis against hannah gutierrez reed, the armor on the 2021 rust set charged with involuntary manslaughter and tampering with evidence. >> the prospect of live ammunition landing up on a film set is incomprehensible. >> prosecutors telling the jury in opening statements they will prove gutierrez reed routinely left guns and ammunition around, unattended. >> the evidence will show the defendant the treated
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protocols as optional. >> reporter: according to prosecutors, six rounds of live ammunition were found on set. even showing a photograph of alec baldwin and that gutierrez reed brought them from the home of her father, a well known hollywood armorer. the defense arguing baldwin who is one of the film's producers bears more responsibility than the 24-year-old armorer. >> alec baldwin pointed a gun on the set. you'll hear hollywood actors are not allowed to point guns at other actors or crew. >> baldwin denied any wrongdoing. >> the attorney slamming the film's production company, for hiring her for two jobs, the armorer and props assistant.
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>> said, when i'm not able to focus on my duties, this is when mistakes happen. >> we have retched out to the legal team for comment. we haven't yet heard back. >> chloe melas, thank you. appreciate it.
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