it's probably not bad to be next to donald trump who only has four more years left. so all of these people are thinking they are potentially the next president. -- >> brendan, my time's out, they're going to yell at me, but what is nikki haley's calculus here assuming she loses by double-digits? >> her campaign was built around the idea that donald trump would implode and she would be there in case that happens. of course that never happens with republican voters, he never implodes. she may say she's going to stick around, but everybody says that until they don't. we'll see. >> brendan buck, fred upton, congressman, we appreciate you. always nice to see you. eugene daniels there. it's friday, remember to follow the show on social media @mitchellreports. i'll be back with you tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern for "saturday today" on nbc. no rest for the weary. chris jansing my friend has "chris jansing reports" right

now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. blackmailed over her son's burial. one week after alexei navalny was found dead in a russian prison, his mother is now in a very public fight with putin over his body. does it suggest the russian president isn't really worried about those brand new u.s. sanctions? plus, alabama's chief justice with a higher authority in mind when he ruled frozen embryos are people. how his comments about god and the bible are raising concerns about the separation of church and state. and just 25 worked, that's all it took for judge arthur engoron to reject donald trump's desperate plea to stave off that enormous civil judgment. $355 million plus interest that's already 100 million and counting. we start in russia, on a day it was hit with more than 500 u.s.

sanctions, the most since the war began, the focus for vladimir putin and his allies is clearly domestic, not international politics. worried about russia's ongoing signs of respect and grief following the death of alexei navalny, russia has now given his mother an ultimatum, either agree to a secret funeral for her son without a public farewell or know that he will be buried in the penal colony where he died. so far she's refusing their demands, but that standoff showing again how concerned putin is about domestic descent. and if he's feeling any pressure from u.s. sanctions we see no sign of it yet. there are real questions about when or even if today's sanctions will have any significant impact and so far spending on the war has boosted russia's economy. i want to bring in nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel who is in kharkiv in ukraine. nbc's aaron gilchrist is

covering the white house. good to see you. what's your take on why putin and russian authorities are so focused on alexei navalny and his mother, especially on a day like today when those big sanctions are coming down? >> i think they're actually not that focused on alexei navalny. they wanted him physically to go away, and now they want his memory to go away. they are trying to make him a non-factor in russian society, and that is why it seems that they don't want him to have -- or don't want the family to have a public funeral for him that could become a political gathering. he could become a public martyr, and according to the mother, who made this video statement, she said that the officials that she's been dealing with, the russian officials didn't come out explicitly and say you must do this and you can't do that, but it was strongly suggested to

her that the body is decomposing, that time isn't on our side, that they could release the body, but it should really be a public funeral -- a private funeral in secret, otherwise we can't do it. maybe we'll just have to bury him on the grounds at the penal colony because, after all, it is what it is. he's passed and you can't keep a body without giving it a proper burial for too long. she says that this is an outrage that they're trying to pressure, they're trying to sweep this under the carpet, which is exactly what russia is trying to do. they're trying to erase alexei navalny from history, which is something that russia has a long history of doing going back to the soviet union. you probably will remember those images when people fell afoul of the soviet union, they were

sometimes literally erased from photographs, erased from historic records, and it seems that that is what vladimir putin's russia is trying to do in current times. >> so let's talk about the sanctions, aaron, between treasury and state department, i think the details run nearly 60 pages, not just individuals but a lot of companies, a lot of manufacturers. what is the white house saying about what the impact will be and when? >> the administration's goal here really, chris, is to reduce the revenue that russia is able to generate and also really, i think, to get a strangle hold on the supply chain that is helping to fuel the russian war machine at this point. you noted that we've got sanctions from both the department of state and the department of treasury that are focused on financial institutions and individuals, but also largely focused on a lot of companies that are responsible for, you know, computer chips, for example, there are companies here that have connections to just the trucking industry and making sure that car parts are being

produced, and a lot of the entities that the government is going after this time around are outside of russia on other continents, companies and individuals who have had ways -- who the russians have been finding ways to sort of circumvent previous sanctions and still be able to get the things they need to start to build up materials to use in their war effort. at the same time, the treasury department has said that they are seeing some impact from past sanctions. the treasury deputy secretary noting there's been a 40% reduction in oil revenue since some of the sanctions have gone into effect and the hope is with these new sanctions and also with some export restrictions that are coming from the commerce department today, the administration and ukraine will start to see more of an impact on russia's ability to execute this war. >> richard, you're so steeped in all of this, what are the chances that that happens, that these sanctions do have a significant impact and even if they do, based on what we've

seen in the past, how quickly or slowly is that impact felt? >> reporter: probably very slowly. so far there have been, according to one count, about 16,500 different russian entities and individuals sanctioned by the united states, europe, and other ukraine allies so far, plus the 500 today. we're talking about roughly 17,000 sanctions just in the last two years since russia invaded ukraine, and we've seen russia's economy actually growing slightly because it's been spending so much on domestic war production, trying to find alternatives to the companies that have left russia, how sustainable this is for russia for a long term is debatable. but does vladimir putin see this as a temporary fix or does he see this as a long-term problem?

right now vladimir putin has gotten sanctions relief from china, india and brazil that have been buying a tremendous amount of his oil. but it seems that vladimir putin is convinced that if he can hold out here, if he can have more successes on the battlefield, if he can conquer this country, then in the long-term it will allow russia to become an empire again. it will allow it to expand its borders and become a great power like it was before the collapse of the soviet union or under czarist russia. so in the short-term, probably not much of an impact because russia's been evading sanctions so successfully in finding an alternative of markets. long-term it really depends on the success or failure of the war here in ukraine. >> richard engel, aaron gilchrist, thank you both. i want to bring in igor novikov, former adviser to ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. it's good to see you, as you

know these sanctions today were largely in response to the death of alexei navalny, not the incursion, the war against ukraine. having aid that, do you think these sanctions in any way help ukraine's cause? >> hi, chris, well, i don't think so sanctioning -- i fully agree with richard. i don't think the sanctions will have any short-term effect whatsoever. for two reasons, russia is selling its oil and selling to the likes of exactly brazil and india and china. secondly, because they are being strongly supported by what i call an axis of evil, north korea and iran. a lot of missiles have been provided, munitions and so on and so forth, more reliably than we get support from the west, which is the irony here, and you know, the tragedy at the same time. but here's the positive about the sanctions. something just happened a an hour ago, a russian military plane just fell in southern russia, and we're hearing unconfirmed reports that it

could have been one of those flying radars. we shot down one on the 14th of january, and they had roughly seven left in their military. if these reports get confirmed, which they are likely to be, they're going to have six. now, that is a perfect sanction against war mongering country. i mean, that's the best way to deal with them. if they can't fight this war due to the lack of equipment and these are not easily replaceable, you know, there will be seeking peace. >> so there's the reality on the battlefield, and then there's how putin presents, right, we've seen him acting with impunity, the death of alexei navalny, even denying a mother and a widow his body. there's all these images out he's congratulating troops, even yesterday speaking of craft, he was sitting in a superer sonic

bomber. do you think that is an emboldened putin or that is for show? >> i think it's a bit of both. it's a bit of a cognitive dissonance situation here. on one hand he's incredibly ecstatic about the death of navalny. navalny was probably one of the few people putin actually fears, and therefore, you know, now having the upper hand with the death of alexei, putin is obviously celebrating. i want to use this opportunity to address -- you know, government of russia to release the body of alexei navalny to his family because, you know, this idiocy, this horror, this neck roe feel ya needs to stop. at the same time, if we come back to ukraine here, i don't think difficult. yes, the lack of provision of military assistance at the moment is being reflected on the battlefield and russia has an upper hand, but at the same time, you know, we still find

ways of hurting him. we are sinking his ships, extending his submarine fleet. we're downing his planes, and we're resilient, and we insist on fighting for our freedom to the very end. and with a guy like putin who's actually afraid of, you know, direct conflict with somebody that resilient, you know, that doesn't put him in a celebratory mood. >> so president zelenskyy was on fox news yesterday, and he talked about what has been central to this discussion here domestically, what we've heard joe biden talking about, and that is getting congress to pass aid. let me play that. >> so will ukrainians survive without congress support? of course but not all of us, and if we understand this, if the world is ready for this, okay,

you will see it, but it's tragedy. tragedy for all of us. >> what's the level of frustration on the part of the president, on the part of ukrainians about the delay in this vote and is there any level of optimism that it will happen? >> well, obviously we'll remain optimistic to the very end, but to give you an idea what it feels like. just imagine this, say you're in a situation where you're being robbed, and somebody has threatened to kill you, and you call the police and the police, you know, friendly neighborhood policeman says, that's all right, but i'm going to go on holiday first. i need to fill in some papers and if you're alive by the time i'm done with that, i might help you. that's what it feels like, and we're paying for this politics, for this stupidity, this bureaucracy with the blood, with the blood of the best ukrainians we have. that's surreal in the 21st

century. >> igor novikov, thank you for coming again on the program. appreciate it. still to come, the rise of christian nationalism, both on the alabama supreme court and on the 2024 campaign trail. we're back in 60 seconds. secons

today there is growing alarm about threats to the separation of church and state, both because of a landmark reproductive case but also comments from the republican presidential front runner, donald trump. let's start in alabama where the chief justice involved in an historic decision declaring frozen embryos as people said american law should be rooted in the bible, and on the campaign trail, donald trump spoke for nearly two hours last night promising an enthusiastic crowd of christian broadcasters that he would restore the power of religious leaders. >> you have such power, but you really -- you weren't allowed to

use that power, and you're now allowed to use -- i get in there, you're going to be using that power at a level that you've never used it before. it's going to bring back the church goer. we have to bring back our religion. we have to bring back christianity in this country. >> nbc's yamiche alcindor is on the ground in alabama, dasha burns is covering the cpac convention in maryland for us and john kasich is the former republican governor of ohio and an msnbc political analyst. governor, donald trump for that crowd at least is framing this election as a fight for christianity, christian nationalism, which includes essentially throwing out the separation of church and state. what do you see as the implications of his good versus evil framing, more specifically painting opponents as part of a wicked system? >> well, first of all, i happen to be a christian, and christianity is about the change inside of you and the projection you make to the world. it's really about peace and love

and kindness and self-control. that's what it's about, and it's not about trying to engage in passing all these laws that suit your religion because, frankly, we have multiple religions and all of them offer something special to each and every one of us. and this idea that we're going to become a christian nation, and we're going to shove these laws down people's throats. you win people over not by what you say but the kindness and love and compassion you show to others. this notion that we're going to politicize or empower one faith over another to just try to -- it's very -- it's not good and fortunately there is a fight inside the evangelical community now about whether they really want to support somebody like donald trump, and it's significant. i'm not saying that they've figured it all out, but there is division inside that community,

but the motion, chris, that we just read something in the bible and shove it down people's throats, that's not what the whole purpose of what i talked about, which st. paul talked about, about compassion and love and kindness. when you do intervene in making laws, it better be selectively, and it better be a giant moral issue, but be careful about how you do it. >> so yamiche, the truth is trump is not alone in renewing this fight for christian nationalism. you're in alabama where on the same day the historic embryo ruling came town. the chief justice of that supreme court said this. >> god created government, and the fact that we have let it go into the possession of others is heartbreaking, and that's why he is calling and equipping people to step back into these mountains right now.

>> so how are people in alabama responding to the chief justice, infusing religious beliefs into a legal ruling? >> well, chris, i have to tell you, the fear, anger and shock are palpable here in alabama. i talked to a number of women who said that they also feel like they are people of faith and they also feel like alabama should be a family friendly state and what the chief justice is saying there is they think in opposition of that. they say that their faith calls that they should love others and also not judge people and that also they should be allowed to grow their families. i talked to one couple in particular, a 38-year-old who say that they're worried that their time to grow a family is possibly going to come to an end because of a possible pause that they might face, even though right now they are allowed to continue their treatments. but take a listen to what kelly belmont told me about the grueling process of ivf. >> people don't know just how much goes into the ivf process. it's not just going to a couple

of doctors appointments and getting some eggs and putting them in a petri dish. there's so much buildup, months in advance, and to think of being this far in the process and it just being ripped away, it's -- it's like a gut punch, so, yeah, it's -- i literally cried the second i read it. >> now, kelly told me her lifelong dream is to become a mother and that if ivf were to be paused across the state, it would literally mean that her dreams would be crushed. she also made the point that she's already spent thousands of dollars, pulled money out of her 401(k) to pursue iv if, she's in her second round now. she said if she were forced to have to go to another state, she simply could not afford it. there's this real sense of anxiety and anger, when you think about the chief justice quoting the bible and telling people this is rooted in the bible and in christianity, she's very angry saying lawmakers

really need to understand the science and understand that families like hers, that they're really just trying to continue their faith in wanting to grow their family. it's really shocking here and we're about to just go into this clinic that they say feel like they've been forced to pause treatments with ivf, so we're going to hear more outrage both of course from what that chief justice was saying but also from this overall ruling and the consequences here, chris. >> so thank you for that, and da sha you're at cpac where you've been speaking to women about the embryo ruling. this is a conservative gathering. what are they telling you? >> reporter: look, chris, republicans are in a tough spot on this one because this is an issue that is really overwhelmingly popular not just with democrats but with republicans. in fact, my apologies, here's the typical cpac noise behind me here. this is popular with even pro-life advocates. we just looked at a survey from kellyanne conway's firm that showed 78% of those who identify

as pro-life are in support of ivf. at the same time, though, you do have sort of this more fundamentalist more religious right as you all were talking about, constituency of the republican party that they don't want to alienate, so republicans are having to walk this very fine line, a lot of the women i talk to here are fully in support with ivf but aren't fully connecting the ruling from the alabama supreme court saying that embryos are children. a lot of them say they agree with that, but they're not connecting the fallout effects and the impact of that on the ability of clinics to provide these treatments. my colleague vaughn hillyard talked to a couple of women who said they were in favor of this alabama ruling. take a listen. >> do you free with the stopping of these ivf programs? >> i agree that they should stop anything that would destroy the life of a human being. >> i say hallelujah. i believe that they are viable

human beings, and they should be protected just like you and i should be protected. so i am so excited about it. >> reporter: but for a lot of people, chris, this is validating some of those fears of post-roe what could happen beyond just the restriction of abortion rights, whether it be contraception or fertility. this is validating and stoking some of those concerns about just how far some states might go here, chris. >> if i can go back to something you said, governor kasich, which is about a split maybe now about trump among the evangelical community and how far people are willing to go. at the end of the justice's statement, he said -- let me find it here. god is calling and equipping people to step back into these mountains. that refers, as i'm sure you know to the seven mountains mandate. it used to be a fringe thing. now it's coming back. it's based on the belief that christians should be leading the

seven major areas of american life including media, business, education, government, so i wanted to ask you more about is that part of the split, whether people are going too far? is it just donald trump? is it concern that in ways of pushing what a lot of americans see as too far, it's going to cost them a congressional majority? where's the split coming from? >> it's basically the behavior of trump. now, again, i want to go back, chris, to those beautiful attributes of peace and love and kindness and self-control. whenever you see people slamming their fists and yelling and screaming, it violates what is a basic tenet of how we're supposed to act as christians. further furthermore, we're a jewish and christian fundamental country with muslims and others. we're a potpourri of people who have certain views about the higher power. they need to be respected.

chris, one other thing, whenever -- whenever religion and government get involved, it's not usually government that's impacted much, it can damage religion. that's why those who are believers have to be careful about the idea that somehow we should violate church and state. that doesn't mean we strip out our values and all our beliefs the way we go forward, but i can tell you when government and religion gets together, the fear that most people who have studied it throughout history, they come to the conclusion that religion gets hurt, and that government is not a positive force on that. now, i would finally say that you can't separate your fundamental deep moral beliefs from the way you behave, but the most important thing in being -- my sense of being a believer is it's not what you say. it's how you behave. did you feed the poor? did you help the weak? that's -- did you love those who

didn't love you? that's what it's all about, not yelling and screaming and dividing and pounding your fist. that's the worst and that is something that drives people away from faith rather than pulling them towards faith, which is a beautiful and wonderful thing for humanity. >> governor kasich, yamiche alcindor, dasha burns, thank you all so much. and coming up, donald trump's next move to dismiss his classified documents indictment, could that work? plus, the latest reporting on fani willis and nathan wade, new cell phone data, does it contradict their testimony? you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ng reports" only on msnbc our retirement tools and advice can help you leave a legacy for the ones you love. that's the value of ownership. ♪ ♪ can help you leave a legacy for the ones you love.

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today we've got some new developments in donald trump's aggressive attempts to delay, even stop the myriad paralegal cases against him. late yesterday his lawyers filing a stack of arguments, 70 pages worth trying to get the classified documents case thrown out of court. as "the new york times" points out, some of the arguments tested the boundaries of credulity and flew in the face of prior court rulings. meantime, his attempts to delay enforcement of the civil judgment against him were met with a definitive no. judge arthur engoron ordering him to pay up more than $450 million with interest tersely responding, you have

failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for a stay. with me now, msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. when you look at both of these filings, it seemed to me non-lawyer like kind of hail marys. is this a strategy you think of just throw as much stuff up against the wall as you can and hope something sticks? is there a point then if that's the case in which judges are fed up? >> i think there could be a point. let me separate between the two, i assume when you say both of these filings, the request to judge engoron in one instance for a stay of enforcement and asking them to impose a counterjudgment. i think judge engoron is fed up. i think he has been fed up since november, and it's a lesson to other judges who have trump trials coming up about how much latitude you afford trump and his lawyers because the longer the rope you give them, the more that they will take. it's like a constant tug of war with them, and you're bound to lose some of that. with respect to the filings in

this case before judge cannon, the mar-a-lago documents case, some of these arguments border on the absurd. >> immunity? >> yes, the immunity argument is particularly absurd because if it was absurd as applied to the federal election interference case, it's doubly absurd here because the acts with which he's been charged are all post presidency acts, he's not being charged with taking the documents to mar-a-lago. he's being charged with the willful and unauthorized retention of national security-related information. and so the idea that he would be immune for that is preposterous. their argument to get there is tortured. they say that because he had authorization in the first place and allegedly designated these documents as personal, even his lawyers, chris, won't say that he, in fact, designated them as personal because they can't prove it because he had these documents in the white house during his presidency, he is immune because the official act

was him having it in the first place. >> all right, let me go on to the new york civil fraud case, firm no. >> yes. >> brief but very much to the point. >> yes. >> where does that leave trump? because how many days does he have left to either pay up or come up with a secure bond? where are we in this continuum? >> this is when i get to give you a thoroughly unsatisfying answer. the clock hasn't started ticking yet. it won't start ticking until the judgment is entered. that requires two things to happen. >> can i stop you there? we thought for a while that the minute the judgment came that was the clock. now you're saying there's a technical -- >> thing called the judgment. the judgment is separate from the opinion and order that judge engoron rendered last friday. the entry of a judgment is mauch shorter document that discards all the legal reasoning and the citations to the record and just says this is what the judge is

ordering to happen or not happen, and specifically of importance i think to our viewers, it will fill in the blanks with respect to the prejudgment interest. >> so is this a cut and paste or we're going to learn something new from it? >> it's largely a cut and paste except that the clerk does the math themselves with respect to the calculation of the prejudgment interest because that prejudgment interest changes every day, and therefore must go through the date of the judgment. judge engoron has signed that document. it was prepared by the attorney general's office. he said in that email you were referring to it was basically a cut and paste job. he said they basically transferred everything that i said in my opinion to this judgment, but somehow we were waiting for the clerk of the new york supreme court, that confusingly is what the trial court in new york state is called, waiting for that person to sign it. we don't know why we're waiting. as soon as he signs it, that 30-day clock starts ticking. >> i know you'll let us know when that happens. >> i sure will.

we've got an update now on the misconduct allegations against the georgia d.a. who charged donald trump with election interference. trump's lawyers have presented new cell phone data they say contradicts what fulton county d.a. fani willis testified about under oath about her relationship with special prosecutor nathan wade. msnbc's katie phang is following this for us. okay, we just learned that the judge set the date for oral arguments for the motion to disqualify d.a. willis, right? what does this all mean for the case? >> yeah, so at the end of the evidentiary hearing last week, chris, the judge said evidence is closed. what does that mean, what steve sadow just filed on behalf of donald trump, he's going to have to get permission from the court for the court to entertain what was in it, which is frankly hearsay, which means it's not actually been presented in the courtroom for purposes of being evidence in that disqualification hearing. oral arguments next week friday march 1st at 1:00, that's actually the same time that a

scheduling conference is happening in mar-a-lago for that case in front of judge cannon in fort pierce. this is not the gotcha trump thinks it is. wade and willis testified under oath that wade visited willis at this particular location, which is a condo she was renting from a former friend of hers, robin yeartie. there's big hay being made over the number of texts and phone calls that happened prior to wade being appointed special prosecutor in november of 2021, but chris, i just texted you i think maybe five texts before i got on this show with you, and of course the texts don't mean anything, right? this day and age people text all the time. sadly they don't pick up the phone to give a call, but does it suggest perhaps adding to the optic that something's going on between wade and willis before she appointed him special prosecutor? sure, but again, innuendo, optics, that's not evidence. we need to see whether or not judge mcafee allows this in in terms of evidence, whether he reopens a hearing to be able to consider this and very quickly, on monday, judge mcafee is

meeting with the former divorce lawyer of nathan wade. terrence bradley. he's going to explore with terrence bradley, bradley's understanding of what the attorney/client privilege covers. during the hearing he invoked the attorney/client privilege because nathan wade never waived it. mcafee wants to make sure bradley properly invoked that privilege during the course of that hearing. >> katie phang with a lot of information within a short period of time. call me any time. appreciate it. the push to free the hostages still in gaza. officials meeting in paris to try to get a deal over the finish line. after the break, i'll talk to the father of one of the hostages about how optimistic he may be. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. watching reports" only on msnbc to nur. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt.

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today there may be some new hope for gaza, senior israeli american qatari and egyptian officials all meeting in paris attempting to advance a hostage and cease fire deal. the clock is, of course, ticking. israel has vowed to invade the city of rafah by the muslim holy month of ramadan just 16 days from now, unless the hostages are freed. more than half of gaza's population, some 1.4 million people are sheltering in that city. the u.s. and dozens of allies have warned that a ground

incursion there would be catastrophic. with us now someone who has a very personal stake in these talks, joan than duck l han, father of an american citizen being held hostage in gaza. thank you so much for being with us. how optimistic are you that there's a deal to be made to free your son. do you let yourself hope at this stage? >> well, thank you for asking. you know, it has been now almost five months of honestly a waking living nightmare, and what i have learned over those months is that it's not wise to get onto the emotional roller coaster around negotiations, and we can hope and pray that there will be a successful outcome of these negotiations, in all 33 of the hostages who we hope are alive, including my son of course will be able to come home and resume their lives but we'll believe it when we see it, when

these men, women, and children are able to exit gaza and get back to safety. >> you'll be speaking at cpac, the conservative conference. i think -- i have to express my admiration, you, some of the other hostage families have been unrelenting. you will go wherever people will listen. you are keeping this story alive, so today at cpac, what is your message, and has it changed in the months since october 7th? >> well, first of all, just for transparency sake, i spoke there a couple of hours ago. >> okay. >> and you're right, we go where we must in order to mobilize support, raise awareness for the fact that there still are that many hostages being held by terrorist organizations in tunnels under khan yunis and the

city you mentioned before. my ask there and my ask of caring people from all sides of the political spectrum is that we need your partnership. at the end of the day, of course, hamas, hamas leadership, wherever it is and the israeli government have to agree. that's clear, with the help of intermediaries including the united states. but we really do need our partners and our allies to really step up and remind the israeli government that it is their moral and national responsibility to not forget these hostages, to not sort of push them aside in the pursuit of a war effort. there can be no victory for israel in any case without these remaining hostages coming home. october 7th was a disaster for the state of israel and also a disaster for the palestinian people. that being said, one simply can't wash over the fact that

these people remain in hamas captivity and hope that by declaring victory at some point, that within israel that that is going to make somebody forget that these 133 people deserve to live. we know that as of late november they were alive by testimonies of the released hostages, and there is simply no substitute. there's no way around it, if they don't come home alive, hamas wins. >> we have less than a minute left, but i do want to ask you to let people know about sagie, what would you like them to know about your son? >> well, he is my 35-year-old little boy. he's a father now of three. he and his wife had their third daughter about two months ago now and he is the son that any father would want to have and i'm pretty sure the husband that any wife would want to have. he's a guy guy, but he loves his

girls. he's a creator and a builder, and people in israel and i believe people, our neighbors in gaza and elsewhere would only be served by him continuing to live that life of service to communities in need that he has lived these last years of his adulthood, and if by any chance he hears me, know that his four girls are waiting for him, and we won't stop until the hostages are home. >> i look forward to having you on the program once he's home. thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. >> thank you for having me. coming up, the final sprint in south carolina, just hours until the polls open. are voters engaged to vote in a primary polls show isn't even close. and in the next hour, the rearrest of that former fbi informant charged with peddling lies about the bidens. what happened there? you're watching "chris jansing

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>> you cannot discount the impact that she has had, positive impact on the state of south carolina, and the citizenry of south carolina. it is hard to run against a movement, and unfortunately, the timing is such where she's up against a movement and i just don't see a breakout line for her. >> nbc's ali vitali is covering the haley campaign. listening to that voter it reminds me that it's difficult to get your folks to go out if they feel the outcome is a fore gone conclusion. and the stakes, based on what i'm hearing from haley's campaign manager today, they know are incredibly high. set the stage for us, ali. >> reporter: yeah, chris, when i was on that call with her campaign manager just a few hours ago, betsy ankeny was clear. she said we know the odds, we know the stakes.

nevertheless, this campaign wants to stay in giving an alternative to voters who may not want to vote for trump again or who may share the haley campaign's concerns that trump might be able to win in states like south carolina and throughout the republican primaries but might not farewell against joe biden. of course we see polls at this very early point in a head to head would be general election match up as a toss up. for haley, she spent a considerable amount of time on the campaign trail highlighting new polls that show if she were the republican nominee, she would fare better against biden at a more consistent clip than trump does. of course the problem with a general election message is that you first have to get through a primary, and for haley, when you talk about it being a fore gone conclusion, potentially in the minds of voters, even people i have been meeting at haley events say they like her, they want the chance to vote for her. they want her to stay in the race. even they know it might not be enough here. >> i want to do everything i can to support nikki.

even if she doesn't have a chance. i just want to make sure that she knows that people here support her. this is her state. >> she has a chance. i think she does. she's got a lot going for her. she has a lot of experience, and she's smart and she's beautiful. and i think against the competition i think she's the number one choice. >> reporter: now, there's one thing i have been thinking about all week, chris, and i was able to ask betsy this when she did the call with reporters earlier. nikki haley said during our interview that after super tuesday they haven't put much thought into it. they were going to go step by step after that. it's an inflection point, clearly. when i asked today if they were going to and what metrics they would use to stay in after super tuesday, she dodged. we've got folks on the ground through the end of march. >> ali vitali, thank you. in the next hour, more than 500 russian sanctions announced on the eve of the two-year anniversary of the invasion of ukraine, who they target and will they have a big impact.

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