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♪♪ it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, was he a flight risk after all? an fbi informant charged with lying about the bidens is rearrested. prosecutors claiming he had access to russian operatives and millions of dollars. cracking down on the kremlin, the white house unveils hundreds of new sanctions after the death of alexei navalny. but how much really does vladimir putin care? plus, prosecutors say the "rust" movie armorer who's charged with the shooting on the set of the movie was sloppy with

guns and ammunition on the set. the testimony today from crime scene investigators. and conference or carnival. the wild scenes at cpac from january 6th pinball machines to bedazzled guns and woke water bottles. we're live in bar harbor. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin, though, with nbc's tom winter on the rearrest of the former fbi informant. it's alexander smirnov back behind bars today, how did that happen? >> our understanding and these are from filings in the last hour or so is it was the judge in california, the trial judge who will ultimately oversee whatever happens next in this case that personally ordered the arrest warrant after reconsidering the information prosecutors had sent to him and the decision by a magistrate judge in nevada which is where smirnov was originally arrested, reconsidering what happened

there. we're looking at still images of him here was released after the magistrate judge determined there were some conditions he would have to abide by and could be out pending trial. prosecutors asked the trial judge in california to reconsider that. the trial judge agreed and said, yes, and in fact, issued an arrest warrant. we're waiting some additional documents to be unsealed in this case that might provide us more information if anything has changed in the last 24, 72 hours. he'll be in a los angeles federal courtroom on monday, 9:00 a.m. local time, for a detention hearing to determine whether he is, in fact, in for good pending this trial. >> we will wait. tom winter, thank you for that. i want to go to the white house now where president biden has unveiled new sanctions against russia after the death of alexei navalny. ali vitali is in d.c. what did the president have to say? >> reporter: president biden with some sharp words earlier during his meeting with

governors from across the country saying that the reason, the clear reason behind these more than 500 new sanctions against russia and against russian president vladimir putin are because of russia's continued aggression against ukraine and also putin's alleged role in the death of alexei navalny. the president talking about the blame for that, laying the blame for his death squarely at putin's feet. these sanctions, actually some of them specifically targeting people who were involved in navalny's death at that brutal russian prison camp. the president also talked about what the administration's overall goal is in issues these sanctions, to effectively squeeze russia of all of the resources and money and entities that have been helping build its war machine because we have seen over the last few years the u.s. issue thousands of sanctions against russia. and russia has been able to find ways around them and actually boost their economy in some instances. so today's announcement also

includes some safeguards to be able to ensure that those evasive tactics are not possible. the president, perhaps most strong when he was talking about congress's need to pass that national security supplemental, saying that lawmakers should not have left town for this two-week recess before passing that additional aid to ukraine. listen to his comments here. >> history is watching. the clock is ticking. for every ukrainian soldier and civilians are dying, russia is taking ukraine territory for the first time in many months. but here in america, the speaker gave the house a two-week vacation. they have to come back. they have to come back and get this done. because failure to support ukraine in this critical moment will never be forgotten in history. it will be measured and it will have impact for decades to come. >> reporter: and, remember,

there was some hope that navalny's death would spark some action by lawmakers to break that log jam in congress and finally get that aid approved to ukraine, which has desperately needed it for months now, but of course we didn't see that happen. the president in those remarks even urging these mayors to encourage their representatives to encourage their lawmakers in congress to pass that. so the white house approach, as we see it, is really two-fold, to squeeze russia of these resources, while also putting the pressure on these lawmakers to finally get that aid package passed to ukraine because there really is no backup plan here by the administration, chris. >> allie raffa, thank you. meantime in new mexico, witnesses at the "rust" movie shooting trial are giving more information about the guns on the set. dana griffin is following this from santa fe's courthouse. what are you hearing? >> reporter: good to be with you, we are hearing from the crime scene technician that was

on scene that day taking photos, including of the belt that some of the actors were wearing, including alec baldwin that showed live rounds mixed with dummy rounds, confirmed by fbi analysis. you can see some of the images here. that's one of the belts where they showed looks like a silver primer, and they say that was their initial key in one of those rounds as to why they decided to send it off to the fbi analysis. we are also hearing from other people, including a witness who extracted text messages from her cell phone. right now they are pointing to incriminating evidence that she may have been smoking the night before the deadly shooting. investigators say that boils down to hannah gutierrez being so unprofessional and negligent she missed a key step, which is checking those rounds. anytime a weapon is handed over to an actor, she should have physically taken out the round, shaken them because they make sound when they're dummy rounds,

visually inspected them, and that critical step led to the death of halyna hutchins. chris. >> dana griffin, thank you. now to cpac where some of the name on trump's vp short list is making their pitch. dasha burns is there. who is there is what are they saying? >> reporter: there might be a primary on saturday, chris, but here at cpac, the primary is over, and it's now all about who's going to be the vp pick for trump. in fact, there's going to be a straw poll at the end of all of this. typically it's for candidates, president and whatnot. now it's a straw poll for who people want to see as trump's vice presidential nominee, so we've got today kristi noem just spoke. we will have elise stefanik later. earlier, just yesterday we had ben carson, and byron donald. all of them are going on offense

for former president trump, and trying to make their pitch. take a listen to what kristi noem said just a few minutes ago. >> leadership matters. i'm just going to say it. joe biden and kamala harris, they suck. we shouldn't look to congress for the answers either. the gridlock on capitol hill is not going to break in time to save america. we need a president who will. and i have always believed and supported the fact that our next president needs to be president trump. >> reporter: for those that don't know what cpac is or may not have come to a conference like this before, you know, this used to be a fairly traditional gathering of conservatives, certainly always a very conservative gathering. this has really changed to become very much the trump show, very much the maga show. all of the stuff that people talking about being a concern for trump in the general election, whether it's january 6th or all of these legal cases,

this is celebrated here. when you walk around, you'll see things like a january 6th pinball machine, a water station that is titled woke tears, people earlier in the crowd just yesterday were chanting free j 6. so this is a place where all of that maga movement, the core red, red, red base, this is it right here. this is the trump show. and that's basically what he has really reshaped the conservative party in his image and you see that on display here. chris. >> dasha burns, thank you. and coming up in 60 seconds, supporters of the former president now openly calling for an end to democracy. plus, the trump critics worried about retribution if he's reelected. about retribution if he's reelected. if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion and stomach pain. talk to your doctor

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as donald trump closes in on the republican presidential nomination, a sense of fear and anxiety is growing among his perceived enemies. worried that if he does win back the white house, they will be at the top of his hit list. in fact, nbc spoke to some prominent trump critics who have considered leaving the country if he wins or are actively saving money in case they need a lawyer. their concern rooted in statements trump has made throughout his campaign, including this one at cpac last year. >> they're not coming after me. they're coming after you, and i'm just standing in their way. i am your warrior, i am your justice, and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, i am your retribution. >> i want to bring in peter nicholas, senior white house reporter for nbc news digital who wrote about this. vaughn hillyard is in south carolina for us, and mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w. bush and creator of

"the circus." peter, you talked to a number of people who have found themselves on trump's bad side. what did they tell you? >> well, they're concerned. they're worried if trump wins the election, he'll use the vast powers of the presidency to retaliate against them. for one reason or another, they have alienated trump, and are concerned vengeance would be on his mind. we spoke to people who are thinking of leaving the country, some are saving money just in case they might need it. they're deeply concerned and we spoke to, for example, stephanie grisham, a former white house press secretary, and she said that she talked to her mom about this at one point, and her mom was saying, well, the president is busy, he's not going to have time for this. and stephanie's response was, mom, you don't know him. alexander vindman, a key witness in trump's first impeachment trial who mentioned his wife has a big milestone birthday coming up. she's going to turn 50 next month but doesn't want a big party, a lavish party, she wants

to save money in case she and her husband need to leave the country if trump comes back. there's great anxiety within this diaspora of former trump aides who have run afoul of him. it should be noted that there are some who are not concerned. there are some that just believe checks and balances will hold up and they have protections under the law, equal protection law and due process rights and they'll be just fine. it was interesting to hear the different voices. >> last night with katie couric, joe biden said two journalists will leave the country for fear of being jailed if donald trump is reelected. he has talked openly about weaponizing the just system, and he has a history of saying stuff and not following through, so do you see this as an over reaction or maybe more along the lines of maya angelou who said when

people show you who they are, believe them. >> well, listen, the one thing we learned from the first term is he tested the constrains of democracy and pushed them to their limits. if he were to have a second term without the prosecute of being reelected, imagine what he would do. a featured speaker at cpac just yesterday said we're working for the end of democracy. and so believe them when they say it, that they are looking forward to an administration that punishes its opponents, just like they do in an autocratic society. so i think people should be very much afraid. they should be very much concerned, and you know, when we talked about democracy has been under threat since january 6th or before, but now we know just how much, and now we know how real because they are saying it out loud at the cpac krerchs.

>> conference. >> i want to play what you just referenced. a moment from cpac, a trump supporter and conspiracy theorist. >> welcome to the end of democracy. we are here to overthrow it. we'll endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this right here. we'll replace it with this right here. >> amen. >> because all glory is not to government. all glory to god. >> so, vaughn, a lot of people probably don't know who this guy is, but does that mean we shouldn't pay attention? >> reporter: absolutely should pay attention. jack posobic has risen in popularity on the far right. a voice that has been legitimized by allies of donald trump, but just this last december, he was even lauded during a speech during december in new york by donald trump

himself suggesting something like jack posobic who has his own podcast, on real american voices, which is the same television outlet that steve bannon's war room plays on. he suggested that jack should be somebody that gets a pulitzer, not places like "the new york times" or "the washington post." jack rose to popularity, on the front lines of promoting the pizzagate conspiracy that hillary clinton and the democrats were part of a pedophilia cabal, hiding children in the basement of a pizza restaurant. jack posobic has 2.4 million followers on x. he is the editor of -- i apologize, it's losing me the top of my mind here. he has a large following that has spread. for this messaging, seeing him

on stage at cpac, it's notable. it was not just wednesday but also the forefront earlier today. >> we were talking earlier with dasha burns about how cpac has become no longer a straw poll on who will be the presidential nominee but who will be the vp, and it reminded me of articles i have been reading yesterday. it's not about posobiec, but others who have definitively extreme views, including people who don't believe in democracy, including people who want to have a holy christian nation, who are positioning themselves to be around donald trump, and is that maybe even more than him not having to worry about reelection, a concern for people who say, well, at least in his first term, we know from the books they wrote, he had people around them who stopped him from doing things that might have been disastrous, mark. >> exactly right. and the one thing we know about

donald trump, from reporting from lots of your folks is he's made it clear that in a second term, there won't be folks like that around. there won't be folks telling him what to do. there's going to be an absolute purity test, and part of the purity test is for people to say out loud and publicly that january 26th was a fraud, the election was a fraud, and trump was the true president then and should be again. so there will be no guardrails in a second term of a trump presidency. so i think this is really important, and i think that's why joe biden's state of the union is going to be really important. i think increasingly, what we're starting to learn is what a trump second term would look like, and a lot of it is from good reporting. a lot of it being leaked. it would be important for joe biden to do the same and make it clear what a second biden administration would look like as well. >> before trump was introduced at the christian broadcasters event last night, a song was played. a lot of people have heard it.

features the j6 prison choir, composed of men imprisoned for their roles on january 6th, men that as you know the president has a different view of. what does that tell us about donald trump and in particular, his relationship to the u.s. justice department? >>. >> right, i mean, donald trump has not run away from any of his criminal trials or indictments. it was one year ago in waco, texas, last march, when i was at a rally when he first stood on stage as the song justice for all, which was january 6th defendants singing the national anthem with him saying the pledge of allegiance over it. he had his hand on his heart as footage of the january 6th capitol attack played behind him on the stage, and again, last night after that song played introing him to take the stage, he noted to the crowd, he called

them the j6 hostages and noted they had great spirit, some of the greatest spirit he had ever seen. of course these are individuals who have been held because they assaulted or alleged to have assaulted capitol police officers. but for donald trump, you know, there's some folks who say he should move away from some of this rhetoric, but for donald trump, he was able to effectively clear out a large republican field and able to legitimize why he's a key general election candidate. >> great reporting, peter, thank you so much. and still ahead, an inside look at the heavy toll the war in ukraine has taken on children. almost two years since russia invaded. plus, nbc's exclusive interview with a magician who says he was paid to make a fake biden robocall. the bizarre story coming up.

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tomorrow marks two years of war in ukraine, a conflict that has left the lives of millions in upheaval, and none more so than children who have come of age under fire in a world of violence. nearly 1,800 ukrainian children have been killed or injured as of early january, according to u.n. verified reports. beyond them, millions more, an entire generation, traumatized

orphaned, displaced. someone who saw this up close, james elder, spokesperson for unicef. thank you for joining us. i know you have spent the week in ukraine, visiting kharkiv and kyiv. tell us what you saw. >> it was as much what i saw as what i sensed through people, what i heard. in some senses, as you so rightly say, the death and destruction of children just continues, particularly in the front line areas, chris. a couple of days ago, i was in a place where a family home had been burnt to shreds, three little boys burnt to death while they slept, 7, 4, and 7 months. there's a price being paid by children having to hide from the bombs and the drones. that is the mental trauma. this is becoming catastrophic for children. the number of parents i spoke to

who are petrified for their children, the children who spend something like 200 days in bunkers or basements or underground. parents who simply break down. they know they can't offer their children the support they need. they are on the front line of this. we are seeing the mental health catastrophe that we feared play out in the lives of young children. >> in kharkiv, you met a mother named elena. she's trying to give her 5-year-old something resembling a normal childhood. what does that even look like there? >> it looks like mothers being relentlessly selfless, working overtime, and not being able to do it. a number of moms felt guilt because they couldn't provide their children everything they needed even though they are providing everything they have, all the love they have.

there is no school. children in that region, many adolescents have not been to school for fours years, two years of covid, two years of this war. they don't socialize. they don't see friends. there is little normality for these children. remembering what is different in the front line areas is they were under siege. they were occupied. it's fresh in their memory, the horrors they saw, the things they endured, the loved ones they killed. that level of anxiety seeps into those children and it is creating a generation who risk being lost, in fact, lost is not the right word. it's a stolen generation. they don't get to go to school. they don't get to see their friends. they live underground. when spring comes, chris, the chance of playing in a forest or by a river, that's gone because ukraine is the most mined country on the planet. moms like elena do everything. they're heroic. she broke down when she spoke to

me, despite her strength. she needed to let it out. these people need support. this is the last possible moment they need the world to turn away from them. >> there is always risk for organizations like yours who go into a war zone and try to provide the help that is needed. is there even any semblance of enough help for these folks and from that, i'm talking about basic necessities like food, water, shelter, to mental health help? >> it's a great question. unicef has done an enormous amount. we have trained hundreds and thousands of counselors, i talked of, 5,000 people trained to go around front line areas, and give children the warnings about the dangers of mines and unexploded bombs. we have incredible mobile teams of nurses, doctors and psychologists who, again go to

front line areas, moms and newborns, it's bitterly cold, blankets. a lot of rebuilding of critical infrastructure. that keeps being destroyed. so there is an immense amount going on. i think i would always mention that the front line workers still are those people, i mean, katerina, if i may quickly, she's one of thousands of people. she's a child psychologist. i spent a day with her. she talks to the youngest ukrainian children, and deals with all of their anxiety, their fears, their angers, their lack of socialization. it's a lot for her to take on board. her husband has been on the front line for two years. she hasn't seen him for six months. when i spoke about how proud her parents must be for the selfless ness of this family, she says, i haven't seen my parents for two years.

they're in mariupol. there's a selflessness, but there's a sorrow. it's right that we have paid tribute constantly to the relentless, perseverance and the resilience of ukrainians, chris, but it is coming at a cost. >> james elder, your stories are so impactful, and we thank you for taking the time to share them with us. thank you. >> thank you. up next, how the case of a black teenager punished his school for his hair style. a lawmaker fighting alongside the student and his family joins me after the break. break it's not for everyone and may not protect all who receive it. don't get abrysvo if you've had an allergic... ...reaction to its ingredients. a weakened immune system may decrease your response. most common side effects are tiredness, headache, injection-site pain and muscle pain. ask about pfizer's abrysvo®. because every breath matters.

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in texas, there is growing outrage after a judge ruled against a black teen fighting to return to school after a month's long suspension. lawyers for 18-year-old daryl george are vow to go appeal the ruling, a law that prohibits race based discrimination against people base on their hair style. >> i started my dreads for a reason, to feel close to my people. to feel my ancestors. and, yeah, it's just me. it's just how i am. >> the decision is an emotional blow to george who says he just

wants to be back in school with his friends. i want to bring in texas state representative, yolanda jones who was there supporting daryl george and his mother yesterday. in fact, you walked with them afterwards to their car. i know it was an extremely emotional moment. what was that like, and what did they tell you? >> so daryl was crying, and he didn't understand. this because of my hair. i just want to go to school. why won't they educate me. i want to be with my friends. he's basically in jail for students. because iss is where they send problem children. his mother has some kind of health condition. i know she has seizures and it looked like one was about to come on. i was concerned for her for that. i didn't know what to say.

i didn't know how to explain it to him. he should have been in the classroom, not the courtroom. >> one of the things that a lot of people have asked because if you take a look at a photo of him, it would seem that it's an extremely neat hair style. it does not go over his eyebrows, which is one of the requirements, right. is there some argument that his locks are causing an impediment to anyone's ability to learn? what is the argument? >> i don't understand their argument because i made the same argument, which is that his locks are not below his eyebrows, they said, if your hair is longer than that if you undo it. if it's pulled back, like his is, in other words, you have to have short hair, which makes not a lick of sense to me. believe it or not, people are not talking about this, daryl is an honor roll student. he is a very good kid, and they

are literally treating him like he is a criminal. his mother has had to go seek treatment for the emotional distress that's going on. even yesterday as she is clearly distraught after what happened with her child because they were so hopeful before the hearing, he was very upset, so here she is trying to comfort her child, which that wasn't working because he's still in iss, and she's distraught, and i just felt helpless. so the school district is -- they didn't understand diversity and judgeships is important. the cultural competency is lacking. they don't understand what locks are. you could tell that by the judge's ruling and, the thing that made me the most sad is there wasn't even an appearance that the judge considered the evidence. immediately after closing arguments were made, he immediately ruled. it was almost like that court,

that fiasco yesterday was like a kangaroo court. they wanted for people to think that they were looking at the evidence and he wasn't. for the record, i was supposed to testify. the judge did not want legislators to testify. he did not want me to testify, and i was not allowed to testify. all i was able to do was submit an affidavit. so it was very sad. and, i mean, everyone was white except for the people who came to support george. there's not a lot of diversity in the town. there's just not. >> texas state representative jolanda jones, thank you. to that end, i want to bring in civil rights attorney, and former prosecutor, david henderson. it's good to see you, david. and if i can, i want to play just a little bit of what daryl george's attorney said after this ruling. >> cases like this are exactly what appeals are for. there are times when judges miss

and judicial review is not spot on or even on. >> how confident are you of an appeal that could get darryl george back in the classroom without him having to change his hair? >> chris, i'm not confident, and the reason i'm not confident is because the rationale was so flawed at the district court level. i don't know if it improves at the appellate level. a law can discriminate based on the way it's written, applied or it can be discriminatory based on the impact has on a particular group of people. they are focused exclusively on hair length. before you get to it, when darryl walks into the school, his hair is the correct length. the school is saying if you altered your hair, it might be too long, and we think it's too long, even when you're not at school, therefore we're going to make you cut it. the school does not have that right. you don't know where that ends.

even if you want to say they should, the only justification they can give for targeting him is by saying we're treating him uniquely because his hair is unique, and the law specifically prohibits that. >> we touched on this before, but i want to play some sound for you because according to the family's spokesperson, candace matthews, all he wants is to go to school. >> darryl made this statement, with tears in his eyes, all because of my hair, i can't get my education, because of my hair. i cannot be around peers and enjoy my junior year because of my hair. >> is there no requirement for the state to educate? >> chris, there should be because if we go back to the face of the law, indicating earlier, it specifically says you cannot discriminate based on braids, locks or twists, and the problem is you have to have enough hair to braid it, lock it or twist it, and as a matter of

common sense, when courts typically look at what that means when they don't know, they look at past history. if you look at past history as it relates to dread locks, a does people write out a picture of what dread loks look like, they're all going to draw long hair, which isn't even how daryl is wearing his hair. what message does that reinforce for an honor roll student when the focus is supposed to be on what's in the best interest of the child. they're dedicating resources to punishing someone who is a model student. >> where do you see this going, david? >> i think they have to appeal it, and, chris, it doesn't make me nervous because when the analysis is this flawed, i fear it's going to continue to be flawed. it gives school districts free license to continue to discriminate. they have to appeal to the court of appeals. they may have to push it to the

texas supreme court, as risky as that proposition is. they have been left no choice here. >> david henderson, thank you. exclusive reporting on the magician who said he was paid to make a fake biden robocall using ai. nbc's spoke to the magician, and he'll join me next. ician, and he'll join me next a force to be reckon with. no, not you saquon. hm? you! your business bank account with quickbooks money, now earns 5% apy. 5% apy? that's new! yup, that's how you business differently. awkward question... is there going to be anything... -left over? -yeah. oh, absolutely. (inner monologue) my kids don't know what they want. you know who knows what she wants? me! with empower, we get all of our financial questions answered. so you don't have to worry. empower. what's next. with nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent

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how did a magician who specializes in fork bending become in a controvert about a fake biden robocall. we go to alex seitz-wald. usually magicians don't reveal their tricks but in this case, he felt he had to. what happened here? >> reporter: yeah, chris, this is truly one of the wilder stories i have worked on in my career. this magician, paul carpenter showed me exactly how he says he created the fake robocall using my voice instead. i sat there as he found a samle of my voice on you tube, uploaded it to software called yellow labs, paid $1 for a trial subscription. and in a few minutes, he was typing a script and i was hearing words in what sounded like my voice that i had never spoken. so this is shockingly easy to

do. it's very accessible, and that's part of the reason he says he wanted to go public. the trickier thing to unravel is who paid him to do this. he says he was paid by a new orleans political consultant named steve kramer, and he provided copious documentation to support that claim. kramer has not denied this. kramer very notably was on the payroll of deen phillips presidential campaign at this time. joe biden's main primary challenger. kramer was paid over $250,000 for work to help get phillips on the ballot in two states. the phillips campaign says he essentially went rogue. they have no knowledge of this. they disavow it, and say they might pursue legal action. i have no reason to doubt they were kept in the dark about this as well. >> i think there's sort of a legitimacy question. did they really think or did at least this one person if he was indeed behind it really think that that robocall was going to

mean joe biden was going to lose? >> reporter: it's really tough to say, and kramer has not spoken. of course, i reached out to him many times, texting him a bit, and i'm hoping to speak with him in the next couple of days. he also says he's going to publish an op-ed that he told me would explain all over the weekend. i'm very curious to see how he's going to explain this. but this is the first known case of an ai deep fake being released in the wild, so to speak, in an american presidential campaign. this is a big deal. this is the president of the united states that we're talking about, and law enforcement in new hampshire, a coalition of attorneys general, and federal authorities are all hunting for the people behind this hoping to make an example out of them because they want to make it clear if you do something like this, there will be consequences, although the specific laws in play here are difficult to say since this is such new legal ground.

>> alex seitz-wald, always good to see you my friend. thank you. we have breaking news now, donald trump posting on social media about this ruling about ivf in alabama, but what he's saying may surprise you. i want to bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard who is in south carolina. what exactly is the former president saying? >> reporter: hey, chris. i want us to read the entirety of this post here because i think it's important the context that just last night donald trump on a stage, campaign stage celebrated fact that he nominated three supreme court justices to the bench. he has made it very clear that he supported the overturning of roe v. wade, celebrated that he was responsible for it, and donald trump has also not been clear on whether he'd support a federal abortion ban or not or exactly what policy and even at the state level he would support, and so that's where questions were around his position on ivf, especially on

the back of the alabama supreme court's decision. i want to let you look at the statement that came out in the last few moments quote, under my leadership the republican party will always support the creation of strong thriving, healthy families. we want to make it easier for mothers and fathers to have babies, not harder. that includes supporting the availability of fertility treatments like ivf in every state of american. like the overwhelming americans, conservative christians and pro life americans, i support the availability of ivf for couples trying to have a precious baby. today i'm calling on the alabama legislature to act quickly to find an immediate solution to preserve the availability of ivf in alabama. the republican party should be on the side of miracle of life and on the side of mothers and fathers and beautiful babies. ivf is a great part of that and our party will be with you for the quest to the ultimate joy in life. of course the alabama supreme

court's decision on ivf embryos is a consequence of the u.s. supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade. now the question is at the state level will republican legislatures like in alabama at the urging of donald trump and others go and seek to pass that sort of legislation protecting ivf. that is the outstanding question. donald trump, making it clear where at least he stands on ivf and the protection of the ability for women and families to go through that process. >> this is fascinating because of course both the senate president and the house speaker there are republicans. we shall see what happens. vaughn hillyard, thank you for that. after the break, florida's surgeon general is defying science and medical advice amid a growing measles outbreak. we've got that next. got that ne. to duckduckgo on all your devie

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right now, science denialism is rearing its head in florida amid a growing measles outbreak at an elementary school, the state's top health official ignored science and cleared parents to keep sending their unvaccinated kids to class, putting children at risk of contracting one of the most contagious diseases out there. infectious diseases physician and founding director of bu center emerging infectious diseases joins me now. it's been a bit since we were in

the midst of covid. it's good to see you. i wonder what you make of this decision on the part of the health official in florida? >> yeah, chris, good to see you too. i think it's extremely irresponsible. as you said, measles is a lot more contagious than covid. nine out of ten people who are unvaccinated end up getting the disease. one out of five people who are unvaccinated end up in the hospital. this is one of the reasons he gives for not having the students stay at home. it's only 33 students. 33 students, there's still a chance that a lot of students may potentially develop the disease, and so keeping them home allows the disease to not spread, the outbreak to not become bigger. chris, florida is not a state where you want a measles outbreak to get out of control because only 25% of the counties in florida meet the 95% vaccine coverage to maintain that wall of immunity. >> in fact, you wrote an op-ed

two years ago, and you predicted that vaccine hesitation and pauses in child inoculation would create outbreaks of diseases that we had thought we defeated. how do we correct for that? how do we combat widespread and rampant misinformation like this? >> yeah, chris, i was one of many, and unfortunately, it's a trend that's growing. cdc at the end of last year said the parental exemptions for childhood vaccinations is at an all time high in our country at about 3%. florida is 4.5%. what makes it worse, one of the things that's actually combatting the lucrative and massive anti-vaccination business that's out there that's made over $118 million feeding the wrong information to folks. and the opportunities like the one that ladafo had here, to take the opportunity to urge parents to vaccinate their children, talk about how many

lives vaccines have saved from childhood illnesses so we don't end up back in the 18th century. >> are you concerned that this is just the start? i should say we've only got 30 seconds, but i'd love to hear your thoughts on that. >> we're creating a generation where fewer kids are vaccinated. it only means a future where fewer of our community members have the immunity it needs. the way vaccines work is they protect us and they build a wall of immunity it if enough of us have them. if enough of us don't have it, we will see more outbreaks in the future. >> doctor, good to see you again. thank you so much for coming on the program. that is going to do it for us this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. do sanctions work? when russia invaded ukraine two