>> it's interesting because it is hard for me to decide what i think in the kayleigh wants with this election over. i think the presidency appears to be out of reach. it is hard afor me to imagine scenario where even if donald trump or object by aliens tomorrow the maga nature of the republican mparty would someho turn around and pick nikki haley even if she owhas the second most delegates even if she has the second -- she has been living rent free in donald trump's head for the past few weeks since things have gone so poorly in south carolina. the trump organization wants to move past tithis primary. they want to be talking about joe biden. be raising money for the general election. focusing on november. but donald trump the person is not comfortable leaving someone out there on the stump who is

attacking him every day. he cannot pivot away from the kayleigh. you watch this, his rallies, you see it and the fact that ac they are still spending money on television ads here. even though every poll has indicated he would probably win by a record-breaking margin for a contested primary in south carolina, he cannot quite turn the page on nikki haley. i think that is going to continue to be a factor through super tuesday if, indeed, she decides to get out in this race. it will be a very fascinating dynamic to watch. probably won the we'll be to joe biden's benefit in the long term. >> the reality of it is, it's like the song goes, he's got her under his skin. that is a big part of it for donald trump. the mental game that he is playing versus the political game that his team is trying to play. the reality of it is they cannot get on with the political game because donald trump is stuck on nikki. when he hits that number, let's

say he does come in north of 30, do you get any sense from the haley campaign that that will be the breaking point? you are going to go into the weeks leading up. you have michigan next week. it's a cluster. it is all over the place. you have a primary and two contested convention caucuses and then super tuesday. is her game plan, if donald trump wins 35 or by 35 or 40%? >> reporter: it's interesting, michael. you know this. both campaigns don't and because the candidate wanted to be over a recognized of the writing on the wall. they and because they run out of money. that does not appear to be nikki haley's problem right now. as long as the donations are still coming in, and there are still deep pocketed voters in the never trump movement that wants to see or stick around, i think whether she gets beat by 30, 35, or 40 the ross maybe lacquered breaking but it will still be a loss. i don't think the margin changes that calculation.

i think as long as they're still money to be spent an opportunity to talk to voters in some of these states, she will keep going. my colleague guy vitale he covered lethe haley campaign so of reported that there is not some deep-seated delegate strategy here to try to collect delegates. it's more like the ncaa tournament. survive and advance. keep in the mix, keep pushing on until a later date, perhaps the calculus changes. if the state of the trials change, if the state of donald trump's legal defense fund changes. they are in this hoping for some kind of blacks long event that changes the calculation for republican voters and as long as they have money to keep gas in the tank for the plane than they can keep doing that. i think that is what we are seeing from the haley campaign, at least over the next 12 to 15 days. i think beyond that it gets even more complex and harder to sustain from a media environment, as well. >> if and hopes. wow, that is the fuel of a campaign, i guess, in 2024.

>> that's where we are. >> thank you, my brother. we appreciate you, my man. let's bring in democratic congressman, james clyburn, from ngsouth carolina. it is a real pleasure to welcome you to the table, sir. good morning. >> thanks very much for having me. >> absolutely. focal carolina is the point. we've had the democratic chairwoman on. the republican chairman on to talk about the state of the race today. what is your sense, particularly with respect to the efforts that republicans are making to move democrats towards donald trump? one way to do that, given the nature of the primary there, they can vote if they hadn't voted in the democratic primary few weeks ago. they can vote in this primary y for donald trump or nikki haley. what are you seeing hearing on the ground in terms of that effort to woo those democratic voters towards the republican party? >> not much movement in that

direction. >> well then, there it is. how [laughter] is >> there will be some. south carolina is a mix state. it is a very small state. four distinct cultures in this state. one of the reasons why the democrats made south carolina one of the earlier states. this personal relationship, it will yield some kind of cross party voting. but for a movement pato take place in that direction, nothing like that is going to happen. there will be a few votes from democrats for one or the other. but i won't assume that moore will bugo to nikki haley than f donald trump. despite what was said by the republicans this morning. >> congressman, i'm not sure you've heard some of the pitch that vethe former president is

making to black voters. let me read you a little bit of what he said. quote, i got indicted a second time, a third time, and the fourth time. a lot of people said that's why the black people like me. they have been hurt so badly and discriminated against and they viewed me as i am being discriminated against, he said. this morning as we were on air there was a statement orfrom th biden harris team from their black media director, jasmine harris. who says this, the audacity of donald trump to speak to a room full of black voters in black history month at the fees and the proud postal boy for modern racism. this is the same man who falsely accused the central park five, question george floyd's humanity, compared his own impeachment trial to being lynched, and ensure the unemployment for black workers spiked during his presidency. while he is out there repeating lies about his record on black unemployment, his record on any number of issues, how democrats come out and really undercut that? >> well, they won't. democrats know that rhetoric

very well. some of them may be forgetting. it i am highlighting that record every chance they get. not just the central park five, but the way he insulted, time and time again, barack obama. the first african american president in these united states. the way he insulted his own african american female staffer, all morose a. he looked in the camera and referred to her as a dog. i am not going to let anybody in the black community, anybody in the country for that matter, forget that. if he thinks for one moment that he can be condescending in front of my people out in south carolina after laying out that kind of record, going into this election he has another thing coming. we are just waiting for the republicans to finish whatever it is icthey are doing. we are going to go into this

general election in a way that no one has ever seen before. he is not going to run away from that record. it is there, it is square. >> congressman, can we talk about the general election then for just a moment? i take all of your points about donald trump's record at the relief to black people while he was president. and i know the biden campaign has made a lot of investments in ads and whatnot, record investments, frankly. to run have a record on. when you go into spaces and places across the country, like detroit or the suburbs of detroit, atlanta, and the suburbs of atlanta. milwaukee, wisconsin. the suburbs of milwaukee. there is some hesitation. yet what -- the ads are one thing, what else is the campaign infrastructure planning to do to turn out the vote? to earn focuses a vote,

particularly young voters, young black people, when it comes to this november? >> i have made no secret of my hope that we will mobilize the biggest group of voters we've ever had. simply because we are going to contend with this a.i. stuff, y'all have been reporting on it. it is a very effective and efficient with it. we have to make sure that they are not so effective with it. we are going to have to have boots on the ground. people doing, and what i call, hand to hand combat on the ground, in this election. we are going to be challenged significantly with the misinformation that is going out. there is not much we can do about that. at least i can't. but i do know that when you go one-on-one with scheh these people in their communities,

where they are, you get a much better response than trying to fight off the misinformation across the airwaves. >> congressman, i want to shift a little bit from the politics of campaigning to the politics of igrunning the government. we have deadlines coming up very, very, shortly regarding the nations budget. we have march 1st, march 8th deadline to try to figure out exactly what our government is going to be. we're having right now, some of reporting, not even planning to come back to washington. there is talk about staying out until a plan is put on the table by the administration. one that they like. what are you hearing? what do you expect mike johnson, speaker of the house, is very adamant at this point about the move. it rests with democrats in the white house. if they don't seem, necessarily, interested in putting anything from their perspective on the table, as

well, how are you seeing things right now? are we headed for a shutdown? >> well, i sure hope we won't have a shut down. i cannot get into the head of our speaker. i know this, there is a plan on the table. accepted by more than 70 members of the senate. it is a significant part of republicans. the president has endorsed that plan. you have 70% of the senate, 100 percent of the white house in support of a plan, what is the speaker talking about? this makes no sense. i think the american people are beginning to see that this speaker is a part of what i call groupies of putin. that is what gop stands for now. they aren't doing putin's

business at the behest of the former president. that, to me, the american people will see through that. we, democrats, are going to do can to make sure that is front and center. if this government shuts down and people don't get their social security checks, they retirement shacks, and people are laid off from work, they are going to have this lead right at the doorstep of the republican party. we are not going to back down from that one bit. >> congressman, to your point about russia one , of the big stories this week in the informant at the heart of republican she an impeachment against president biden it seems may have been a russian asset. we want you to take a listen to what republican representative ken buck had to say about that. >> we were warned at the time that we received the document outlining this witnesses testimony. we were warned the credibility of the statement was not known

and the people, my colleagues, went out and talk to the public on how this was credible how it was damning and how approved president biden, at the time vice president biden's complicity in receiving bribes. it appears to absolutely be false and to really undercut the nature of the charges. >> congressman, they were warned about smirnoff's credibility. they gin up as this big witness. now of a sudden this is out in the public comer is trying to downplay the importance of smirnoff as a witness, saying he has other evidence. i have to know, having seen any of that evidence that he claims to have? >> absolutely not! there never has been any. member grass skins sounded the alarm on ssthis for a long time democrats win the house committee were doing a great

deal of work staying talking with people who got this information. they have this information. they know the stuff is not true. the conservative as one can be you, i admire and respect him. he is what i call a genuine patriot. he will not allow this country to be co-opted by the groupies of putin. that is what is going on here. i think it is time for the american people to wake up and see exactly what happened to this country. we talk about it this morning, i've been talking about it for sometime now, we have got to see the former president's a tool of russia. we have to see what happened when he was president, and what they were trying to do to joe biden in his family way back in

ukraine a long time ago. what led to the firing of the ambassador to the undercutting of those people who were there to do our countries bidding in ukraine. the people have an agenda that is not good for the future of this country. and voters have got to do what is necessary to protect this democracy. this is the greatest country on earth. we have to keep working together to make this a better country. it will never be perfect. but it is the best thing going. we should not allow anybody to undercut that and keep us from becoming a more perfect union. >> if i can say one thing real quick, mister congressman, before you go. i'm so glad i'm not the chairman of the groupies of putin. that is all i have to say. thank you very much for that. >> thank you very much. it's because of your south carolina roots!

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esterdy or judge arthur mango informally owned donald trump to pay $454 million, including interest. a move that will now give the former president one month to post nearly half 1 million dollars to appeal the civil fraud verdict. on thursday, trump's legal team asked and going to push back enforcement of those penalties for 30 days. in his order, the judge rejected that. writing, quote, you have failed to explain much less justify any basis for a stay. back with us at the table msnbc legal analyst mary mccord. she is the former acting assistant attorney general for national security at the department justice. and co-host of one of my favorite podcast, prosecuting donald trump. >> good morning. >> can you just break down what that judgment now means for donald trump? how -- is the $464 million as alicia said. the company said, extra

$111,000 on interest a day into the judgment is paid. >> that is so interesting. it is just and counting. it is going to be accruing every single day. what this means is donald trump, who has pledged to his attorneys that he will appeal, this will pay a bond as alicia said that bond usually has to be more than you usually oh for one thing you're gonna have more interest occurring on a and the other thing you have to make sure you're gonna have the money at the end of day when you lose your peel and you have to pay out this judgment. it either has to come up with that kind of cast or he has to get a bond for -- someone giving him a bond, it might have been that through all these years lenders were willing to look the other way when he was inflating assets. but now this on top of the judgment of the e. jean carroll case. another $90 million. not insubstantial. it could be lenders are gonna feel a little bit differently

about it. he also can't get his loan from a new york financial institution. they would want collateral. his collateral is mostly tied up in real estate. not only something that lenders want to have as collateral. >> speaking of real estate i want you to have a listen to something that letitia james had to say about one specific piece of real estate. >> if he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, then we will seek in judgment enforcement mechanism in core. we will ask the judge to seize his assets. >> we are prepared to make sure the judgment is paid to new yorkers. yes, i look at 40 wall street each and every day. >> two important pieces. one is, and make sure the judgment is painted new yorkers. often one of the things you heard from trump's team is this is a victimless crime. the idea that there are actually citizens who need to be repaid is one piece of this.

with a comment that must haunt trump's dreams now is, yes, i look at 40 wall street each and every day. >> this is how judgments, when someone is delinquent and doesn't pay their judgment, this is how they get enforced. you go to court, here is my valid judgment signed by court of law. we have judge engoron enter that judgment, we need to enforce. you get a court to order and authorize the seizure of property to satisfy that judgment. to your point, this case was never about damages. it was never about money the financial institutions and insurance companies would get if letitia james won. they didn't bring this case, she brought it on behalf of the state. she brought it on behalf of new york. that money is disgorgement of ill gotten gains. it is not money to pay to the bank for the insurance companies, it goes to new yorkers. that's important for people understand. they think it's just some civil case between money between rich insurance companies and a rich man, that is not what this is about. >> our colleague, alex rodriguez, we will just say this real quick -- they had

congresswoman cortez who made this argument. it is bigger than the citizens. it's about the fact that she has been crouching york for years. >> that's right. >> no, i think that that is all very interesting, particularly when you consider what trump's lawyers are still saying about these matters right now. you have, from the hill, alina habba saying trump is the greatest businessman out there. >> she got paid extra to say that. >> quote, the president is one of the smartest businessman and one of the greatest presidents we have ever seen. doesn't have anything to do with anything. but if she thinks she is going to take him down, that goal will not be successful. that is the message i can give everyone listening here. it will not be successful. what part of this process does the court call bs on this? that is, essentially, where we are. >> i think that is kind of what judge engoron did yesterday

when he rejected the i request to stay this judgment for 30 days. he said, you haven't given me any good reason. take it up with a quarter of appeals if you want to take it up, right? i think he'll be taken up on that. i think trump's attorneys will move -- they may move to stay this judgment. again, if they post the bond and appeal it will be stayed pending that. they just need to take those steps. i think judge engoron said, look, you have another mechanism. you've said you are going to appeal this. i'm not staying this judgment. he's been saying that all along. he has been calling bs -- so sorry. >> we apologize for the language, folks! mary, you are the former acting attorney general for national security at the justice department. is donald trump, given his financial exposure, a national security risk? >> yes. we are talking about how difficult it might be for him to make this bond, posted this near half a billion dollar

bond. he certainly has people who might want to bail him out on the. some of those might be foreign, some of them might be russian oligarchs. some of them might be people right here in the u.s.. elon musk, et cetera. who plane landed at mar-a-lago several days ago, i understand. anytime you are talking about someone who is running for president or holding elected office, potentially could have indebtedness or feeling of owing somebody else something, that is very dangerous. particularly here as we know his fund nurse for putin. his continuing praise of putin and the way he governs russia. when that is something where i could very much seeing people there who have the means holding out. there will be others in other countries. there are plenty of other countries who would like to get some papers from donald trump should he become president again. >> this is crazy because of donald trump were not running to president, if you are just trying to get a job in federal

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boundary of credulity and flew in the face the prior court ruling. msnbc legal analyst mary mccord is back with us. >> i want you to know, they put that word in the prompter and i just skipped it. >> credulity. there we go! >> and just my new jersey accent that made it completely incomprehensible for me. the argument that jack smith was unlawful. the trump had presidential immunity. trump and the -- smith charged trump with statutes that shun applied to trump favor based on an unclear precedent in the constitution. those are all bunk. on top of being bunk they don't even speak to the secondary charge of obstruction. >> only two of them do and i think those are the ones that are much desperate. presidential immunity is for his official acts and i designated these things as personal back when i was still president. that is only count one through 32. it does not to the objection to

withhold the records, and the key polling them. >> he did not give them back. >> and also the obstruction to try to destroy the videotape, right? the vagueness argument that the statute documents aren't too vague as applied to the president again only applies to you count one through 32. that's why he brings in these other motions. that the special counsel require congress, that's nothing to special counsel is valid. that's how he tries to get that a recount in the indictment, including the obstruction counts. the most creative, i think, is his motion to dismiss based on his designation, as michael said, as personal records. okay, fine, but that only goes to the first 32 counts, right? he says, no, no, the presidential records act is explicit that the only remedy for that is a civil remedy, not -- to request the documents to

be returned. there is no ability to launch a criminal investigation. therefore, the entire criminal investigation was, essentially, void and everything should be thrown out. there is no authority for that whatsoever. the fact that the presidential records act would speak to civil remedies doesn't say anything about not allowing a criminal mastication when there has been evidence of a crime! >> that is the point i won bold and underline here. if we take it all the way back to the archives attempting to get these documents back, they asked multiple times. very nicely. they sent people. they got some things. they found out that more where there and then they refer to the justice department only after donald trump, only after they were made aware that they were being lied to. the former president had many nefarious documents in his position that he should not have. >> they found classified

documents in some of the materials. that made them think that there probably are more at mar-a- lago. the department of justice in the fbi did some investigation, came up with the probable cause to support that warrant. the very notion, even after that, ray? even after the war was executed, many more documents were found, as we all know. trump still maintains, i can designate those as personal. i glossed right over that part earlier. these are classified documents! they are not his personal records. there is no argument that they are his personal records. in the argument that he put in the motion when you talk about strain incredulity is, you know, when they were moved, the motion even says, presumably packed up by the g.a.o., not even him, presumably he designated them as personal. that is a lot of presumptions. that is getting back to, i declassified them in my brain, if you asked. me >> right. we are back to square one. >> it doesn't work like that! i couldn't take a picture out

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you've got the third, the beginning of the third year of this invasion by russia. you have navalny's death, his mother going to see his body. pressure on her by the government not to talk about it. having a state funeral. our allies looking at the u.s. saying, what are you all going to do, right? and, of course, the administration announcing, as alicia noted, these new sanctions. 500 new sanctions. how is this playing out right now on the hill? is there a convergence of an ndp now around these events for the congress to begin to finally take seriously the need to help ukraine? because russia is ready to pounce. we are coming into the spraying. they have taken the advantage, militarily. what do these events do and say about where congress is going to go next? >> in a normal world, it should

put pressure on congress to act. in the world we live in right now, you have cpac happening across the river. conservatives, led by trump, are solidifying the anti ukraine position of the republican party. and the pro putin party, honestly, of the republican party. putin has played this very ably by jumping right into our culture war. saying he is fighting gender neutral bathrooms in ukraine. i kid you not. saying he is fighting in ukraine saw that kids can have a mother and a father rather than parent number one and parent number two. he is strengthening this ideological affinity between himself and maga republicans. they are very much returning the favor. it is unclear if this is ever going to pass. i spoke to hakeem jeffries, the minority leader, in munich. he said, you know, i have heard so much about a discharge petition in the last two days

in munich. not just from americans but from world leaders. people are all over the world. i've heard more about that in the last two days then in my 11 years in congress. to be in munich surrounded by people from all over the world, geeking out about discharge petitions, it speaks more about america's position in the world right now. >> and the conversations our european allies are having. i was speaking with european diplomat. i asked him, what are some of the measures you all are discussing if, in fact, the united states congress did not come through? and they noted one of the measures could be, can the europeans buy weapons from the united states and send them? at that point in the conversation they did not think it was actually viable. is that something you have heard? is that a potential path for ukraine to get the ammunition and weapons that they need? >> i have heard that. i think it is a roundabout way. again, you're about how to find

that money to buy them. in the amount that ukraine needs. i am going to quote leader jeffries, again. he said, we're talking about discharge petitions and all the way to square circle or we could just go straight through, do it the real way, and just bring it to vote on the floor. or actually just give the money to ukraine to buy our american weapons to try to find all of these roundabout way through a couple of people in congress holding this up. the whole world is waiting for speaker johnson, essentially. >> let's talk about one of the contract we saw this. week former president donald trump audaciously comparing himself to alexei navalny. you had president biden meeting with navalny's widow, yulia navalny. saying today i met with yulia and dasha, alexei navalny's of one to express my condolences for the devastating loss. alexei's legacies of courage will live on. and the countless people across russia fighting for democracy

and human rights. you take those things, he put them side by side. there is a glaring gap there in leadership. >> one of the presidential contenders makes everything about himself, including comparing himself, daring to compare himself to someone who has been fighting and authoritarian, almost totalitarian regime, for a good 15 years. at which point they have come after his family. recall that alexei navalny's brother was jailed for three years back ten years ago when the state was still scared to put alexei navalny in jail for fear three protests. instead they threw his brother in jail for three years. he knew his whole time that his little brother was in jail just because of him. they have searched his parents home. yulia's grandmother's home. they have gone after this whole family repeatedly. >> and in death they are not allowing the mother access to her child. >> and they are threatening to lead me like the body. and trump dares to compares off to that while undergoing a process where he asked answer

and deal with the consequences of his own actions in a country where there is freedom of the press, freedom of speech, an independent judiciary whatever you might think of it compared to russia it is right much an independent judiciary. >> let's be honest, he is still on the ballot and running for president. that was never allowed to electing a volley. >> you have the other presidential contender, the incumbent, who is putting himself aside and showing human empathy for this family that has had their worst possible thing that could possibly happen to them play out live on international tv. promising support for their cause and i keep thinking about the people who say i don't see the difference between biden and trump. there is one! >> on that point, how do we begin to change that conversation for the american people? do you think the administration is in a better position now, and given the events that we have talked about, to make that case to the american people? or is this still going to be an

uphill climb to get americans understand, if ukraine flaws, the dominoes are going to come home here. we will be involved in something. you are concerned about spending 60 billion dollars today? $600 million and more tomorrow. >> an american troops on the ground. an american blood being spilled. there is that. but there is also this naive notion in america, because we have this privilege of geography and history. we are buffered by two oceans, on the east and to our west, to friendly neighbors to our north and our south. we have never really been invaded. the only war we fought on our territory was with ourselves. whereas european countries have been dealing with this for a millennium. they know what that's like. they live close to the threat of russia. a lot of eastern europe in countries have lived under the totalitarian soviet regime out of moscow.

they know. they don't need to be convinced. a lot of americans feel like, well, and you have a both on the right and the left, if we just stop the world will be peaceful. if we just stop, other people will stop. i've heard the argument, we can't be the world policeman. fine, don't be the world's police man. guess what? it's not like no one else wants to be the world's policeman. china would love to be the work policeman. russia would love to be the world policeman. if you don't like how things are now, buckle up. a world run by china and russia is not going to be a world you want to live in. >> that is exactly right. julia, i have enjoyed following your journalism. we really appreciate you coming on and being with us. ahead, we are going to dig more into donald trump comparing himself to alexei navalny. this is the weekend on msnbc. o with nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were

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break. donald trump is comparing his criminal indictments to the plight of russian opposition leader, alexei navalny. yes, seriously. he is. take a listen. >> navalny, a very sad situation, it's a horrible thing, but it is happening in our country, as well. we are turning into a communist country in many ways. >> do you see yourself as a potential political prisoner in the united states? >> if i were losing in the polls they went even be talking about me. i would've had any legal fees. >> if you appeal you how to put up ask roman e, that is a lot of dull. >> it is a form of navalny. it is a form of communism, or fascism. >> so, for me the point is in all of the that the man the once offered condolences to the family. not once did the man understand or empathize with the plight of

those who are trying to carve out freedom for themselves. everything after he refused was just whatever. the sheer tone deafness to someone else a circumstance and situation. to turn it all the way around back on him is, in one sense, i can see i see polls with donald trump leading. that matches up. i think a lot of people look at their situation that way. it's about me. it is about what has happened to me. it's about how bad it is for me. >> it's crazy, how could donald trump be -- >> donald trump is your avatar for the ones who look at the world through that lens. it's disappointing. it is really disappointing. >> it's disappointing, it's sam, the third anniversary of the war in ukraine. i think about the people on the front lines. i'm listening the other day to a podcast and there are people in ukraine who haven't been to school in three years because

of covid and before, right? this is their reality. and ambassador bailey, the frantic benefited to the united states was here with us last week. and he made the point it's not just on europe. it's not a regional issue, it's a issue for the world. if russia wins out then we are in for a terrible future. the world we live in will become unrecognizable. >> i would say there is not narcissism and then the audacity of to somehow promote yourself as a democratic leader. coming up on velshi at the top of the hour, a member of ukraine's parliament joins ali to talk about the war in her country entering its third year. we will be right back. its thid year. we will be right back.

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