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a very good day to all of you from msnbc workers here in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin with voting in a way. republican south carolina presidential primary. long lines are forming in mount pleasant where voters are showing up for the two remaining candidates in that race. former south carolina governor, nikki haley, seen as a long shot to win her home state. but, she's keeping up pressure on rival donald trump. here is what she said when asked today on whether they will support her if trump is convicted one of his criminal cases. >> this isn't about conviction, it is about chaos. there is chaos all around him. republicans lost with him in 2018. they lost with him in 2020, they lost with him in 2022. >> trump is expected to speak soon at cpac. he is struggling with the campaign and the courthouse filing new legal maneuvers up until late yesterday and shifting his focus to black voters as he campaigns in south carolina.

>> joe biden has already given work permits, as i said, for 2.5 million illegal aliens to complete and total betrayal black americans. it is a betrayal. you're not gonna be able to get jobs. we've got all these people, they will work for practically free. >> nbc news correspondent garrett hague has been catching up with south carolina voters. one, a democrat who voted for nikki haley. the other a trump voter who said he liked haley when he was governor south carolina. >> it is important to me to keep trump out of office again. projects 2025, i've read it, i studied it. it is scary, it is frightening. i think democrats should be out here. >> i wasn't paying close attention back then when she was governor but i think she did a good enough job. i just know that he has more experience, and as president before, i liked his job when he was. >> it is a day of consequence in the 2024 race for the white house. it could be a tipping point, in fact.

we have a number of reporters in place covering new and about the storylines we've this hour. as i welcome you are -- in national harbor, maryland. donald trump is set to take the stage soon, dasha. it is a pretty day for the former president. what are we expecting to hear from him at cpac? >> reporter: alex, cpac is no longer just a gathering of conservatives like-minded here to talk about policy. this is trump turf. it is the trump show. it is a trump party. every speech, every panel, every outfit really here had something to do with former president trump. the conversation is focusing on the thing that might be a liability for him in the general election. here they are all celebrated. i'm talking about january 6th. i'm talking about all of his legal troubles. and his most controversial policies. this is where people are absolutely rabid about all of that. this is a moment where he is

going to be addressing the people here and rallying the troops at this conference. the primary is over. there is no competition. he is the republican nominee. and they hope he will be the president of the united states. the one contest that isn't focused here though is the sweepstakes. who the former president will choose as his running make this time around. basically all of the contenders have been here. i want you to take a listen to a least fonac, who is on the shortlist. we asked her about that controversial decision out of alabama that paused ivf treatments in the state. take a listen to how closely she follows trump's law on that. take a listen. >> like president trump, i strongly support ivf. also as a young mother, i strongly support ivf. i support president trump's call for the alabama legislature to pass legislation to protect ivf. >> very similar to the message that trump put out on social media yesterday. he has mentioned in his speech.

let's see if we hear from him on that again here today. there is a straw poll asking attendees here to vote for who they believe should be trump's top vp pick. not sure of that will have any influence the trump certainly does like to hear from his supporters on the sorts of issues, alex. >> he does indeed. dasha burns. thank you so much. we will see you again throughout the day. let's go now to nbc's ali vitali in charleston. that is where nikki haley is hoping for a strong showing in her home state. sadly, the police have not been very promising. what are you hearing? >> look, the polls are what they are, alex. the haley campaign is aware of that. voters who are in it to support her are more than aware of that, as well. i have to tell you, we are here in this polling place in -- a poll place where nikki haley will be very reliant on. look at this line. they initially had a different way of getting voters in and out the door here. when they saw the levels of turnout and the lines that they had consistently out the door they actually moved the way people were flowing in changed how the line was going to work.

i can even have our camera guy swing around all the way to the back. you can see the line moving at a pretty officiant clip, but at the same time, people just keep coming to vote. it is pretty stunning given the fact that election officials here said we shouldn't it's specht too many lines out here. people were early voting. they were able to do by mail. certainly we see people coming out here to vote in droves. that is one of the things, i think, we are tracking very closely. in my conversation with haley supporters, the thing they talk about the most is the way the demographics of the state have shifted, even in the several years since she was last on the ballot for her last gubernatorial bid. it doesn't mean that it makes it any less of a steep climb for the former governor but it is something we are tracking. it makes it more difficult to guess how the results are going to go when you watch what turnout actually is. when we say guess which way the election results are gonna know i think it is common knowledge here that trump is going to win this primary. even the haley campaign doesn't contest that.

the thing we are looking at is, by what margin? can haley close that gap? to be closer than polls would have suggested it would've been? that is the real voter electorate piece of this equation. and of course there is what is happening within the republican party. alex, we've all been tracking even if it is not directly about it binds the way the trump is trying to remake the party. not just from an elector perspective but in a republican national committee perspective. all in his image. stacking the rnc with allies of his. ronna mcdaniel might step down as early as tonight after the south carolina primary results. we are waiting and watching to see what happens. trump has floated putting his daughter-in-law, laura trump, in control as a co-chair or a chair as an rnc that something i asked nikki haley about in the last few minutes. who would she install as the rnc chair in around the tunnel? here is what nikki haley told me. >> it wouldn't be a family member of a candidate. it would be someone who says all the money is going to go to donald trump when i know that

50 millions of campaign contributions went to personal core cases last quarter. 8 million went to court fees just from january. that is 100 million dollars that will be drained from the rnc that should be supporting republicans up and down the ticket. we >> alex, hi drama from within the republican party apparatus hydrant between haley and trump and high turnout, clearly, at least here in charleston county. >> i have to say i do love seeing so many people behind you. taking their right to vote. it is a good thing. i leave the tally, thank you for that. let's go right now to nbc's alex talbot in a polling station in myrtle beach, south carolina. alex, you have been speaking with voters today. what are they telling you? it doesn't look like you have the same kind aligns to rival what alleys got? but people are screaming in there. >> that is right, alex. turnout isn't quite what you are seeing at alleys polling

location. but i have been talking to the haley supporters and trump supporters. the trump supporters say they like what he did as president. they say he is the right man for the job to handle what is happening on the southern border. the haley supporters like their track record of governor. they like what she did with the local economy. they like what she did for the veterans community. they disagree on who the right person for the job is in 2024. with a law agreeing that skepticism in the 2020 election results. take a listen to some of the answers when i asked these voters, do you believe the 2020 election results were illegitimate? we >> know. >> why? >> are you kidding me? all of the illegal, absentee, votes. all the illegal votes that were allowed. all of the illegal votes that showed up later? they were for donald trump. they were not counted.

when it is a lie. donald trump is our president. >> i stand by the fact that joe biden is my president. i do have a lot of questions about it. >> what are your questions? >> well, i know that trump was leading in all of these states very close to the end. you wake up the next morning and all of a sudden all the democrats one of those. you have to ask yourself, what's going on? >> 2024, you think there's any way joe biden legitimately, ferron square, will win the election this time around? >> are you joking? [laughter] only if the illegal election happens again. >> sure, there is always a chance. >> now, of course, there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud. and legal attempts to overturn the 2020 election results failed. looking ahead to 2024, a lot of

these voters i have been speaking to say there is no way that they can imagine a hypothetical scenario where joe biden can legitimately win that election. regardless of the facts, regardless of the evidence, if joe biden does win in 2024, there is going to be a large part of the republican party who may refuse to accept that. alex? >> can i just say, it never ceases to amaze me the falsehoods that have taken root despite all the proof to the contrary. it is pretty extraordinary, actually. dasha, i'm curious how much of what alex's reporting there, do you hear that as well echoed there in the halls of the cpac? people think the 2020 election did not legitimize joe biden's president? >> yes. this is the place where you really find the route of that, alex. we hear in the halls. we also hear that frequently on the stage behind me.

a lot of the speakers here promoting that promoting former president trump won the 2020 election which, of course, he did not. this is where, again, what happened on january 6th is celebrated rather than disallowed. this is where the line about the weaponization of the justice department's repeated over and over again. this is where the election system in the u.s. is questioned, time and time again, alex. >> can i ask you the same question, ali? are you hearing similar sentiments? >> it is so fascinating. i was struck over iowa, new hampshire, enough south carolina, the number of republican voters who are showing up to hail events who are former trump supporters, either as 2016 or in 2020, who say the reason they are looking for someone new is because the way trump reacted to losing the 2020 election. i think that is a huge motivator among haley's the porters. it is one that have spurred them to say, when i asked, them

what if 2024 becomes a redirects of 2020? you have to choose between trump and biden? so many of them say they are not able to vote for donald trump because of the reaction he had to losing. and because of january 6th. they say they will either sit home and not vote in the presidential or they will consider voting for joe biden despite the concerns that they've aired about not wanting to vote for a democrat, or other things they have in terms of differences with joe biden on policy. i think that that has been so striking to me. i think those of us who want to believe in facts. know that joe biden won the presidential election in 2020, i think it is heartening to see that there are voters who call themselves republicans and say they have not bought into these lies that trump and his allies have pushed about him winning an election that he actually lost. >> who are you speaking to you, ali? that is different that those who josh and alex are speaking to? do you find that to be the

pervasive thought out there? joe biden won fair and square and they don't like the way trump -- >> you're talking about three states you have been to talking like this. >> now it is clearly in the pervasive. i think among the haley supporters who i've spoken to in those states, those who say that i voted for donald trump in 2016. i voted for donald trump in 2020. they thought the reaction to what he did after losing the 2020 reaction and that's why they're looking for other candidates. i met them at desantis events, haley events, tim scott events. they were shopping because of his reaction. i know we are only talking at this point about 30 some odd percent of the republican primary electorate. it is a small subset of an even smaller subset. i do think it is important to recognize that there is representation within the republican party that is heeding the warnings the party, likeliest cheney, the republicans on the january 6th committee, like the republicans who have sounded the alarm

after what happened on the 2020 election. they are now looking for other candidates because they want their party to go another direction. i think it is important to say that this is awful happening. it is not happening in the jordy but it is certainly in the minority. the embeds in correspondence, that is largely the thing you hear. that there is skepticism around the 2020 election. i just want to point out that that is not the only viewpoint out here. there are republicans that are concerned about that rhetoric and are concerned about trump's actions. >> dasha, hallie, alex thank you get so much. i went ladies first. i just had to explain that when i say thanks. we appreciate you all. today four pm eastern jonathan capehart and kate psaki dives into the south carolina exit polls. at 6:30 pm eastern rachel maddow and team pick up all of the analysis with steve kornacki breaking down all of the results at the big board for us. next, the difficult moment ukraine craig faces after the russian invasion.

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what options you have. and generally just how you feel about this ruling. >> when the ruling came down i was very afraid for what that meant for me in my cycle. and on thursday my clinic announced that they would be pausing the ivf treatment. they did let me know that they would do my agra travel but they were unsure on what that meant about creating embryos and testing them. definitely they were stopping all implantation. we made the difficult decision to come to texas and finish off our procedure here. it was a very chaotic day of calling clinics and trying to get in somewhere. >> or even texas right now? >> yes, i got here thursday night. i hopped on a plane pretty much as soon as i found out. >> you have the means to do that.

other woman might not have. that tell me how long you're gonna have to say in texas to go through this procedure before you are able to go back home to alabama and wait this out? >> we definitely didn't really have the means to do the. we have had to go into debt to make this procedure happen where we were at. now we are very likely to have gotten in somewhere else. we bought a one-way fly we. we're pretty unsure on how long we would have to stay here. at least a week. possibly longer. we would have to put our lives on hold in alabama to finish off this procedure. >> it is a challenge anyway. at least you got. there that is one hurdle you've been able to cross. give me your overall response to the concept of embryo legally being considered a child? >> i think, on paper, what the supreme court did was, could be seen, as a great triumph.

they were trying to protect embryos. in some ways protect this process. it just goes so far beyond that. they stopped and didn't really care about the implications in the policy implications of women who are struggling to try to have, trying to get pregnant and have families. i think, honestly, this decision was made in haste without considering all the implications. >> if you had a chance, and he may in fact right now to speak directly to people who support this alabama decision, what is it that he would tell them about how painful, how challenging, this is who you? you were doing this just because you want to have a family. this may be the only way for you to do it. >> i would say have empathy for those who are struggling with such a personal and difficult process. in is something that affects one out of six women. it is so painful to go through.

stopping ivf treatments, for women who desperately want to have children, children is so hurtful to us. when the ruling came down we were terrified. i would ask you to take a look at what it means to stop ivf. taking away the potential children from families. i would hope that they can reconsider they're standing on it. >> i bet there are a lot of people who feel the same way. gabrielle go down, we are watching your story. we look forward to having you back, hopefully with a happier ending. thank you so much. congressman jason crow response to new information about russian opposition leader alexei navalny. that's next. on leader alexei navalny. that's next.

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his family. a spokesperson to the family says his body was handed over to his mother. this news comes just over week after navalny died in a russian prison colony. a day after the white house announced more than 500 new sanctions against russia. president biden announced those sanctions while also imploring congress to approve additional aid for ukraine as the war enters its third year. >> history is watching. the clock is ticking. brave ukrainian soldiers and civilians are dying. russia is taking ukraine territory for the first time in many months. here in america the speaker gave the house a two week vacation. they have to come back. they have to get back and get this done. >> in fact, today marks two years since the war started. the plea for additional usaid is not just coming from the white house. it is coming from ukrainian troops on the frontlines as my colleague richard engel reporting from eastern ukraine.

>> reporter: this is the town hall destroyed by russian strikes. on the wall ukrainian troops have left a message. the same message we are hearing time and time again everywhere in ukraine. now it says, we are not asking too much. we just need artillery shells in aviation. the rest we do ourselves. >> wow. i'm joined now by congressman jason crow a democrat from colorado in a member the house foreign affairs committee. he is also a former army ranger. how does that make you feel when we get a direct message from ukrainian troops? all we are asking for is artillery. we will do the fighting ourselves. >> yeah, alex, it feels pretty awful. i know what it is like to be a soldier in war. i went to war three times for our country in iraq and afghanistan. if you like it or not, getting the support in the resources you need, like we did in iraq, for example, in 2003. it is one of the worst feelings, you know you can do

the job. you know you have the will to do with the people to do it, you just need the resources to do it. something that is really important here, yes, this is about history. it is about stopping vladimir putin. this is about helping people fighting for their lives and for their democracy in their freedom. fighting for themselves. they are not just doing this for themselves. this aid bill, this is not charity. the united states is not being asked to do this out of the goodness of it's hard because we want to provide charity. this is in u.s. national security interest. our economy is tied to europe. a vast majority, a large percentage of grain come from ukraine. we have 100,000 troops and their families living in europe. this is about protecting our service members, protecting our economy and pursuing what is in our interest, as well. >> i want to pick up on the. first of all, do you see any scenario in which republican colleagues approve any additional aid to ukraine? if they heard what you just

said, one thing to be concerned about would be, let's say vladimir putin does not stop at ukraine. and then he invades a nato country that we are required to go and support that nato country. how? with military aid. and with boots on the ground, potentially. that would mean sending americans into that country. do you see that at all being echoed all in congress among the republicans? if we don't do this now, that could happen. >> we have treaty obligations. that is true. we have to fulfill those treaty obligations. again, this is about not just treaty obligations on paper. it is what is in the interest of america. right? we have 100,000 troops in europe, with their families. it's not about sending troops in nato countries. u.s. troops are in nato countries right now. tens of thousands of nato troops are on the eastern flank

of europe. their families are. there they are u.s. citizens. hundreds of thousands of u.s. citizens live in europe, as well. this is not some kind of abstract exercise. in our willingness or ability to maintain treaty obligations. this is outright self interest. protecting americans, protecting our economy, protecting our food supply. this really boils down to a simple proposition. what are you more afraid of, or what are you more interested in? are you more afraid of donald trump, and keeping your job, or are you more interested in serving the national security of the united states of america and protecting americans? that's what this is about. >> what is -- the sanctions announced yesterday against russia. richard donovan, and analysts from -- thank shuns and other economic measures owner not going to win this war. we need to manage our expectations of what these tools can accomplish in the short term. to you i pose the question, what expectation should we have? the other sanctions seemed to

have lacked any appreciable results. will this time be different? >> sanctions help, no doubt. i also want to be clear here that there is no one silver bullet to this military aid alone to, humanitarian assistance onto it. sanctions alone won't do it. alliances alone won't do it. what we'll do it is bringing all of those tools to bear and putting the maximum pressure in and around russia. the huffington post -- we have to impose ancients but the long pole of the ten is in forcing them. you have to make sure that you were there in forcing them. russia has become very adept as a sanctioned nation. using iran, north korea, china, and other maligned actors to go around our sanctions. that is where diplomacy comes in. we have to use diplomacy in our ability to convince people to go along with the sanctions for them to actually have bite. >> you talk about russia being able to scare these things. we are two years into this war.

could sanctions have been imposed before? now what is it that kept them off the table? >> what you want to do is you want to make sure that you have -- that you are not imposing so many sanctions that don't make them an enforceable. a sanction as only as good as your ability to get multi lateral compliance with that sanction. to convince other nations to go along with it. sanctions unilaterally from the united states really want to the job with russia. they have a lot of other options for doing business. you have to calibrated to make sure other countries will go along with the. sanctions are not static things. we learn more, we gather intelligence, we understand how they are made. we are constantly tweaking and changing the sanctions. changing them as the conditions on the battlefield change, as the economic conditions change. it is different now than it was two years ago that is what we have different options but that's why we have so many

towns is. >> i want to get into questions on a domestic policy and play for you comments from a read leading right-wing activists at cpac on thursday. >> i just want to say, welcome to the and of democracy. we are here to overthrow completely. we didn't get all the way there on january six. we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this right here. >> for some context, he said in a subsequent speech and in an interview with nbc news that is statements were largely satirical, poking fun at what he sees as a lack of democratic values from president joe biden's administration. look, regardless, as a former army ranger who was trapped in the balcony of the house chamber on january 6th, how concerned are you that comments like that are still being uttered more than three years later and after hundreds have been found guilty of criminal behavior that day? >> listen, we have seen this movie before. if you look back at history, this is right out of the

autocrats playbook. the fascist playbook. you joke about things, you float things out there. you say some things and then you backtrack, you're just kidding, i didn't really need it. but you say it again and again. you try to desensitize the, you try to normalize. it this is seeing what was take overtime. you are getting people complacent. that is what they are. doing cpac doesn't care about american democracy or national security, nor does donald trump. they continue to say wild things to try to see what will stick. try to get us comfortable with it. i for one i'm not ever gonna be comfortable with it. i'm not gonna tolerate it. i'm gonna push back on. and i love america. i love democracy. i am willing to give everything for, and continue to fight for. >> congressman jason crow, we love having you on. we will see you again soon. thank you so much. donald trump opens his mouth, tries to quote black conservatives in south carolina and what does he tell him? he talked about his mugshot but there is more.

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and interest against trump and trump's org, donald trump individually owes 400 and $54 million of that. 111,000 in post judgment interest is racking up daily. joining me now is nbc news vaughn hillyard who follows trump's court appearances and charles coleman, former brooklyn prosecutor and civil rights attorney. or msnbc news and legal analyst and host of the charles coleman podcast. welcome to you both. vaughn, i know you are joining us from columbia, south carolina. republican voters are casting their potential -- trump appears to be making an 11th hour pitch to the african american voting bloc. saying black voters like him more because of his indictments and mugshot. how are voters they're reacting to that? >> right. i think the question comes down to a general election here, alex. in south carolina, just 7% of black voters identify themselves as republicans.

here today it is donald trump versus nikki haley. this is notable because donald trump and his campaign believe they can continue to make inroads with black voters across the country. we saw in 2020 he won 12% of the black vote, which was the highest amount a republican has received in decades. a recent nbc news polling at the end of 2023 showed him with 16% support. that is what makes donald trump's remarks here mark-able. in his version of trying to appeal and connect with black voters, donald trump is trying to make inroads the way that he sees himself as being able to. i will let you listen to part of his remarks last night to conservative black foundation here. take a listen. >> the black people or so much on my side now. they see what is happening to me happens to them. the mugshot, we've all seen the mugshot. you know who embraced it more than anybody else? the black population. it's incredible. you see black people walking

around with my mic shot. i'm being indicted for you, the black population. >> of course, alex, donald trump suggesting that he now is also being discriminated against, like blacks across america have been discriminated against. for donald trump, this is the same in her back in 2019 during his first impeachment proceeding suggested that he was going through a lynching. for donald trump this is political here. in his own words. an effort in which he is trying to connect, obviously, in a way that is quite questionable. for donald trump, the republican nominee, someone who's trying to make inroads in the way he sees he's able to. >> okay. vaughn, thank you so much. perfect setup for my next conversation. i appreciate you. charles, how do you interpret trump's message to black conservatives? and let's be sure we got this right. he says he's being indicted for you, meaning the black

population. really? >> you know, alex, i think donald trump was struggling with his preparations. he says i'm being indicted by. you we are leading the charge to hold oh trump accountable. we have alvin bragg, fani willis, black people who are invested in upholding democracy. listen, at the end of the day, alex, donald trump is not going to win over a significant amount of black voters or the black electorate. however, what he does understand, because there has been a significant conversation in the public sphere, and in the media, about biden and his campaign struggling to win over black voters, if he can subtract, just a little, bit all he needs is about 1%. and the election will be his. that is what he's trying to do. he did not necessarily think he's going to be able to win over all of the black electorate available. but if he can just take enough from joe biden, he will ultimately get a victory. he understands that. he is trying to commit to that. associating black people with

criminality, inherently, is not necessarily the way to get the job done. but ultimately this is who he is catering to and what he is trying to achieve. >> speaking of criminality, his legal bills in new york are rapidly approaching their due dates. he is now asking when your court for an unsecured's on that 83 million dollar fine that he knows owes the e. jean carroll for defamation. another court, judge engoron entered his judgment this week. trump now owes, are you ready for, more than $450 million in the civil fraud case with $111,000 an interest being added every day. will he'll be forced to four come up with all of this cash? >> it depends. he's saying he's very rich. if he does have that money, who knows. but ultimately he's going to likely let go of some of his toys. things that he values extremely deeply. in order to satisfy these judgments, which are not going anywhere. even as you seem to appeal, as you have already laid out, alex, you still need to have

the cash on hand necessary in order to pay them in the event that you can. he will lose the appeal. so donald trump, inevitably, is going to have to start having a fire share on some of his most beloved properties and assets in order to finally casual to satisfy these charges. >> here is why. the new york a.g. says she is prepared to go after his properties if he can't come up with the cash. let's take a listen to some of he said and then a reaction from donald trump's lawyer. >> we are prepared to make sure the judgment is paid to new yorkers. yes, i look at 40 wall street each and every day. >> she has no chance if she thinks she is going to take him down. if that was her goal, we all know very well that it was, she got a strong assist there in court. i will tell you this. that goal will not be successful. >> do you, charles, see it coming to this? are his properties at risk? >> yes, absolutely. they are absolutely a risk. i think his attorneys have gotten very good at posturing

and playing to the audience in the court of public opinion. that is why, even a trial, i think this has a place but what we are talking about now is a judgment. post judgment even having an appeal pending, he is going to have to come up with that liquidity. that is not something that he has on. hand he may not be able necessarily to get it without getting go some of these properties. if you are talking about these different civil judgments and the interest on these judgments continuing to accrue at a daily rate basis of nearly six figures per day, this is not someone who can afford to take this lightly. literally cannot afford to take this lightly. will ultimately have to figure out which of his athletes he chooses to liquidate in order to satisfy these judgment. >> okay, my friend. charles coleman, good to see. you thank you so much. a staggering statistic came out this week and it will leave you shaking your head. what can congress do about it though? that's next. though? that's next. migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur,

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as promised and back with congressman gregory meeks, democrat from new york. walk us, are good to see. you considering congress has been unable to make any policy changes on the border issue, largely because republicans are blocking the bipartisan bill, should the president act unilaterally? what do you think? >> look, i think the president's, and has been, looking at how to figure out how we can work something in a collective way. to be able to get something done. it is a comprehensive immigration reform.

republicans found the way on a bipartisan deal that has the potential to restore order at the border and promote pathways for legal immigration. everyone is talking in the president is looking. the president came up with the post before. it went to court, the court overruled what he did. the question really, i'm bound now in arizona just to do that, to visit the border in arizona. it seems to be a difference between what is taking place with the governors of texas in florida and the governors of, say, arizona and california. all of whom, when we have too many people crossing the borders, what's happening is in arizona you find that they're working collectively together with ngos, and others, to make sure they are moving migrants. those who have illegally crossed the border seeking asylum. that's what we focused on. those who came across the border not seeking asylum, giving themselves up to border patrol, those should be

automatically deported. there are ways in which we can do this. >> you are talking about arizona the way they're handling things. new york city has been dealing with migrant arrivals from the southern border. you mentioned the two states from where a bunch of them have come being texas in florida. flown to new york city or put on to busses, more likely. what are your constituents saying about that here in new york? >> my constituents are concerned. but some of us caused in new york, some of the other cities, democratic cities at which they are focused and sending them, the governors are not coordinating with other ngos. they are not coordinating with the mayors on the ground to say these individuals have the right to counter the city. we will send them at certain times. what he does is send them in the middle of the night, unannounced, trying to cause mayhem. trying to help people who see who are seeking asylum, not trying to make sure we are handling the situation in a

manner that is humane. just trying to do something causing political disorder. they are playing politics with what should be dealt with in a real bipartisan way. that the senate has tried to do. the house republicans, especially the maga republicans, refused to do. >> let me pivot to donald trump who, as you know, was in south carolina yesterday added today primary there. appealing to black conservatives trump compared his own criminal indictments to the unfair tree minorities have faced in america. he claims the black population gravitates towards him because of his mugshot in georgia. is this really a winning message? >> it's a joke. that's what it is. donald trump, we know who he is. the fact the republicans know who he is. it's the words of a con man. it's the word of an individual who lies on a consistent basis. it's the words of itchy. the words of an individual has

been indicted in 93 times. we know who he is. the fact of the matter is, rollback the videotape of when he first started running. the republicans know who he is. they told you exactly who he was. for him to continue to be that con man in the middle of the street, lying and seeing cohn -- and individual who led a fight against the united states of america on january the 6th. we know who he is. he should be and will be, he has been indicted and i believe he will one day be convicted for the crimes he has committed in the united states. >> let's quickly discuss that 444 million dollar penalty that new york judge arthur gore on order donald trump to pay in the civil fraud case here in new york. how much can new york benefit from the ruling?

>> number one, you get rid of that sheet because you can't work in new york for three years. number two that dollars can go to help build affordable housing. can help with infrastructure needs we may have. it can help even with reference to the migrant crisis. that money is valuable money to the city of new york. and i am thankful to my attorney general who says as he does not begin to pay those dollars that she will go to grab his assets, property that he has, to get the dollars that the stay in the city of new york can definitely use. >> as you know today marks two years after russia invaded ukraine. congress has completely stalled and providing more aid to fight back putin's. you are the ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee. when the house returns to the capitol wednesday and his face with partial government shutdown delays just three days later, we'll fornea be a top priority for speaker johnson? >> it sure should be.

i just came back from munich, the security council. a bipartisan delegation and a number of my republican politics said when we met with president zelenskyy, when we met with chancellor scholz, that they would make for the funding would be there. now it is showdown time. either they convince johnson to put the bill on the floor. the bill that the senate passed on the floor it will pass. or they should join democrats in a motion to discharge so that we can go around the speaker and put a bill on the floor that is much needed for ukraine and for our national security and defense. >> we will be watching those efforts closely. congressman jeffrey meeks, thanks for joining us there in arizona. right now, a former fbi informant charged with lying about the bidens is fighting to

be released from custody. alexander smirnoff is being transferred to california for a hearing monday. he was re-arrested this week over fears he would flee the country just days after being released. smirnoff statements are at the house of the attempt to impeach president biden. let's bring in peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times. our good friend here, after his initial arrest, you're a good friend, not this guy, smirnoff reveal that some of the information he provided came from officials associated with russian intelligence. how much does this development affect the probe, peter? do they have anything else to pin the investigation on? >> it really takes the biggest thing they had out from under them. they had this document that seem to suggest that the fbi had evidence that the president have started taking bribes. million dollars and bryce from the ukrainian company. that is at the window. now we learn from the fbi that that was a false story by a guy who was in touch with russian

intelligence. that really undercuts the whole heart of the republican impeachment effort. they did not have a lot to begin with a gourd into some republicans, like ken buck, we colorado congressman who said they were there. but it is really, i think from the democrats point of view, it should shut down this impeachment investigation. from the republican viewed seems like they've lost a lot of the movement and they may have had. that >> it didn't sound like they knew that. the fbi did tell the committee when they first provided to this document to be cautious about thusing it because they weren't sure this information was eccorroborated or credible. committee members, republican committee members chose to highlight it anyway. it was a g it as if smoking gun of corruption against the president of the united state