said, we should try to stop that precursor chemicals comment from china, going to mexico, and the gangs make it into fentanyl. president biden has a great with china, i just told to an official, telling them how to go about that. so these precursor chemicals don't get into mexico and come up interstate five. i'm glad we are making some progress on this. but we need to find this at home. this is a homegrown problem. this is our children who don't understand the lays that lefty of this drug. it is that nuclear weapon of drugs. that's why in my state we are passing a bill to mix your old kids or age kids on. this we have the immediate treatment so when people come out of being unconscious, we immediately get them on medically assisted treatment. they or medicines that can produce their compulsion to take drugs. and we have to expand our treatment facilities long term. we have to fight this. fight t.

well it's important to show our support for ukraine. this has been one of the most courageous, inspirational acts by any group of people in my lifetime. they are standing up against a totalitarian maniac, vladimir putin. they are doing what winston churchill urged people to do before the not seized went into western europe. which is to stand for democracies against this incursion. now i was very encouraged talking to her, because what she told me is, they are ready to finish the job, if we will just give them the tools. churchill at one time told america, give us the tools, and we will finish the job. what was encouraging in her message was they have the will to fight, they have the leadership to fight, they have the people to fight, they simply need artillery -- and

other weapons systems that they need. we have them, we should provide them again, unfortunately the republican party is blocking that, again because they are afraid of donald trump. and it is a national security issue for us. because right now, it is the ukrainian sons and daughters who are risking their lives in the battlefield. not ours, they are doing the fighting against vladimir putin, who is a threat to our stability throughout the industrialized western world. so, i was encouraged by her, and i wanted her to know i signed a proclamation, that washingtonians are standing in solidarity with the ukrainians, many of whom most ukrainians per capita have come into my state than anywhere else in the country. >> i am sure she was grateful to hear that governor of washington jay inslee. come see us again sir, thank you so. much >> thank you, you're welcome. >> in just moments we're going to unpack to headlines. first up, trump tells black conservatives that his criminal charges are why the black people like me. you're gonna hear what he said

on that. and later, whether the new sanctions will really hurt russia. hurt russia. ♪ ♪ ♪ good day to all of, you from msnbc headquarters here in -- alex witt reports. it is three pm, a couple minutes after on the east coast. just four hours before polls close in the south carolina republican presidential primary. and that is where we begin this hour, with nikki haley and donald trump squaring off in haley's home state. she is not expected to win south carolina, but she was asked today whether the party leaders will support her, if trump is convicted in one of his criminal cases. so, as the voters are counting their ballots in south carolina, trump is addressing voters at sea cap -- and here is what he said, just moments ago. >> well, i'm sorry, we're going to have both of those sounds for you in just a moment. meantime, south carolina voters are explaining their political choices to nbc news crews

around the state. we're gonna have all of that for, you as we have a number of reporters in place across south carolina, covering today's primary. we are going to begin with nbc's ali vitali in charleston, who is following nikki haley, as she faces the uphill battle in her own home state. so ali, welcome again, what are you hearing from haley today? >> following the haley campaign, we spent some time with her, as she was voting with her family on -- island, that's where she lives. she cast her ballot, there alongside her mother, as well as her children. as far as this morning, haley's comments are what we've heard over the course of the last several months, which is the fact that she is staying in to give people an alternative to the former president. when you come here and you see lines like the one that we have been out in charleston county, i walk up a little bit. the problem is, it's starting to rain a little bit, we are starting to get a little bit of a chilly breeze. that's not just a personal gripe, that's going to be difficult for the folks who are waiting in this line, if this rain starts to pick up. because otherwise, we have seen pretty consistent lines the

entirety of the day here. and we are not watching them, potentially drop off even just a little bit. in regards to nikki haley though, and i have seen this bear out in the line, alex, you have got folks here who want to show that they want to keep her as an alternative in this field. they remember her from her time as a governor of this state, they would like to see her at least continue to be in the conversation against the former president. and then of course, you've got the folks here who wear their maga hats, and where they're pro trump here. and they very much believe he is already the nominee of this party. in terms of haley, though we have seen her go after trump much more over the course of the last few months. that's by design, she said this morning. watch what she told us. >> not at all. there were 14 people in this race, i had a dozen of the fellas i had to get rid of first. we were taking them out one of the time. now, he is the one on one opponent that i have, and that's why you see us showing the contrast between me and him. if i had done that in the beginning, i would have been a chris christie. my goal was to make sure that

we took it one person at a time, one contender. >> and alex, you've got to appreciate the little jab that haley seems to have thrown in there, especially because christiane, the day he dropped out, was her on a hot mic telling some folks around him that he didn't think hailie would be able to pull this off. he may not be wrong in the end, even the haley campaign is saying that she is not going to win here tonight. but what they are watching is how close that margin is going to be. still, it is pretty fascinating, for those of us who cover politics, who cover the entire length of this race, to listen to haley parse out her strategy publicly, about the reason that she didn't immediately go after her former boss, and why she is willing to hammer him so hard now, being the only rival left standing to counter him. >> yeah, you know what always stands out to me when she talks out of -- talks about the fellas, all the rest of the fellas. that was really -- you pointed that out. thank you ali. let's go now to nbc's -- outside of pulling locations in columbia, south carolina. so garrett, welcome to you. look, widely expected, donald trump is going to win this

primary. so, what is driving voters to the polls today? >> well, i talked to the lion's share of registered republicans, traditional republicans, who tell me they are voting for donald trump. and it spans the issues that they know is going to come up, probably the most has been the border, which has always been a marquee issue for donald trump. now there's also this factor, he was the former president, and there is a sense that republican voters know what they are getting from him. it's not a stretch of the imagination to try to figure out what a trump presidency would be like, for those republicans. and they like that, the interesting thing i am finding when i talk to some of the folks who are supporting the kayleigh, those two ali's point, which is that the more aggressive she has gotten on donald trump, that may have turned off some republicans, but it is bringing some independents, and even democratic voters to her cause. i spoke to one democratic voter, who sat out the democratic primary here at the beginning of the month, thinking that the most strategic way she could use her vote was to vote for the first time in her life, in a republican primary, for nikki haley, and against donald trump. listen to what she told me.

>> it's important to me, to keep trump out of office again. project 2025, i've read, it and i've studied it, it's scary, it's frightening. and any democrat should be -- >> do you think nikki haley would be a good president? >> i think nikki haley is not psychotic, she was our governor, i didn't agree with most of her policies, as it was known to happen between democrats and republicans. but i do think that she makes a lot more sense on the issues of abortion, women's health care. that's one of my biggest issues, coming out to vote. >> alex, so much to unpack there. but in a race where all of the major candidates have favorability underwater, not psychotic counts as a compliment for a candidate, and so you see that. there also, i have been doing this for a long time. and when you start having your strategy rest on crossover votes from the other party, that kind of thing can make a difference at the margins. but it seems unlikely to be enough for nikki haley to make

up the kind of huge advantage of maga, traditional registered republicans in this state, breaking for donald trump. >> yeah, you have done this a long time, it is why you are so good, my friend. there you have it. let's go from garrett now to -- joining us from columbia, south carolina. another longtime, which is why he is so good. he is in south carolina, where republican voters are casting their presidential primary ballots today. so, while trump appears to be leading an 11th hour pitch to the african american voting bloc, vaughn, saying black voters like him or because of his indictment and mugshot. how in the world are voters they are reacting to that? >> right, eight years ago i was standing in the south carolina polling location in south carolina. >> my point exactly. >> so we have been doing this for a little while. asking folks about what donald trump. so, the part about donald trump that was, he continued comes up with something new. and this time, donald trump thinks that he can broaden his appeal to black voters around the country. and, we should be clear, in the 2020 election, he did win 12%

of the black vote, which was the highest of any republican presidential candidate in recent decades. and nbc news polling shows him at 16%, among black voters nationally, in a poll that we took at the end of 2023. so for donald trump, he sees this as an opening. and yet, donald trump, as usual, is taking his own tack and its own path to try to win over those voters. i want to let you listen to part of him last night at a dinner with black conservative voters. take a listen. >> the black people are so much on my side now, because they see what's happening to me happens to them. like the mugshot, we've all seen the mugshot. and, you know who embraced it more than anybody else? the black population. it's incredible, you see black people walking around my mugshot. i'm being indicted for you, the black population. >> donald trump, suggesting that he is now the one being discriminated against, like a black voters have long been

discriminated against. and of course, donald trump back in 2019, during his first impeachment proceeding, also suggested that he was being lynched at the time. i want to let you look at part of a statement from the dnc, in response. saying in part, quote, this might come as news to trump, but pushing tired tropes, want to be -- mugshot t-shirts isn't going to win over black voters who have suffered through a record high unemployment and skyrocketing uninsured rights under his leadership. trump is showing black voters exactly what he thinks of them, and his ideas to win them over our as corny and racist as he is. again, that was a statement from the dnc, in response to those remarks from donald trump last night, alex. >> okay, vaughn hillyard, thank you for wrapping all that up for us. and for all of you, coming up in less than an hour now, jen psaki, jonathan capehart begin our special coverage of the south carolina primary, breaking down all the latest numbers, as polls begin to close. and then at 6:30 pm eastern, rachel maddow and team get their analysis with steve kornacki, breaking down the results of the big board. it all begins for you at four pm eastern. in fact, right after our show.

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today marks two years since russia launched its full scale invasion of ukraine. the bloodiest conflict in europe, since the second world war. president biden, taking part in a video conference call earlier today with g7 leaders, and ukrainian president zelenskyy, who all gathered for a ceremony in kyiv earlier today. also today, the body of russian opposition leader alexei navalny has been handed over to his mother, after she pleaded with russian authorities to give it to her, for more than a week. this is president biden announced over 500 new sanctions against russia, and called on republicans to pass the ukraine aid bill, currently stalled in congress. >> ukraine is still free, and the people of ukraine remain -- an unbroken. in the face of putin's

onslaught. this is due to their sheer bravery, and there -- but it's also due to us. remember, the united states pulled together a coalition of more than 50 nations, 50 nations to support ukraine. we unified an expanded nato. -- we can't walk away now, -- is putin is betting on we are going to walk away. >> well joining me now is former nato supreme allied commander and msnbc chief international analyst admiral james -- always good to have you here on these topics, admiral. so with russia capturing the ukrainian eastern stronghold of at the -- i think i said that properly this week. it seems like momentum is behind russia right now. ukraine's summer offensive falls short, most agree u.s. military assistance is in fact the most crucial opponent to ukraine defeating russia. without u.s. help, sir, how long can kyiv hold on? how can the frontline conditions change if we don't give them the support they are asking for? >> it's critical that this aid,

military aid, start moving now. and, thank god our european allies have already stepped up, with almost 60 billion dollars in aid. and that will be part of the lifeline. now, we've got to do our part on this side of the atlantic. and if we don't do, it alex, i think by the fall, you could see the russians really gaining significant momentum here. the ukrainians will hold them for a period of time, on what is in the pipeline, but that is already dwindling. we've got to get them three things. the f-16s, which we've been working on for over a year. more artillery rounds, they are way behind russia in that regard. and long range, aid -- cruise missiles that can reach into russian supply depots, behind the front lines. if we do that, the ukrainians will hold. >> admiral, i'm not going to ask you to tell me something that will hold you to.

but speculating, if they were to get everything you just mentioned, everything the united states needs to give them, how long would it take to end this war, do you think? >> i think ultimately, this war will end like all wars, alex, which is with a negotiation. clearly, putin is not going to negotiate until he sees the outcome, the election in the united states. the ukrainians will simply fight as long as they possibly can. when i put that together, i would say toward the end of this year, potentially both sides will be in a position to want to negotiate. how that goes is up to the ukrainians, and the russians. but i think that overtime, ukraine's chances are still very good, if the west remains engaged exactly as president biden just said. >> i'll tell, you we can all pray that this war does not enter a fourth year one year from now. we shall see. but, let's talk about what

happened friday, sir, as the u.s. elk mound -- since that war started. russia has weathered the sanctions opposed of the past couple of years. i mean, there were a number of bold in unconventional proposals to punish moscow. like seizing the 300 billion dollars in frozen russian bank reserves, for ukraine's defense, also curbing russia's oil exports. there is give -- us a sense of how effective these new sanctions could be. should the u.s. pursue other options to counter putin? >> i think that the new package of sanctions is going to continue to bite. but we've got to recognize, alex, sanctions are never going to be a silver bullet. they are very slow-moving. think how long south africa lived under punishing global sanctions, until finally apartheid fell. it was decades. sanctions are part of the solution, the real answer is a combination of the economic sanctions, the military

pressure, the diplomatic engagement, all of that needs to go after vladimir putin's russia. in terms of this new package of sanctions, i like it, it's a pretty good group of things. it has financial bite, going after russia's ability to get into the global banking system. it goes after their energy profits, by putting more enforcement into the oil caps. and it goes after their military base, the firms that are providing, principally, china, north korea, a little bit of iran are providing ships and support. this targets that supply chain as well. so it's a well thought out package. again, it's not going to be instantaneous. >> that list that we were, showing director shawn, if you can throw it back there. because some of fridays sanctions targeted officials connected. top line there, to alexei navalny's death. his widow says that she is going to carry on his efforts for a democratic russia.

while a russian state tv, -- supported host warns that she would suffer the same fate as her late husband. as you hear that, someone who has been honored by russia, and again a state tv host. what does that say to you? and with most putin opposition jail right now, or in exile, how successful can any challenge to his rule be? >> first, we just need to pause, and recognize the heroisms and the courage of alexei navalny. now you see his wife stepping up, into that role. i give her enormous credit for her courage. all revolutions begin with small numbers of people who take great risk. and putin feels very secure these days, alex >>. but let's remember, about 100 years ago, another czar of russia felt pretty secure, nicholas the second.

eventually, revolution swept russia. and, it turned out badly for nicholas the second. in the end, putin does not sleep well at night, nor should he, because of the courage of people like alexei navalny, and now you liana volney. >> nicholas alexander, their entire family slaughtered. so let's talk quickly about benjamin netanyahu, who presented a post war plan, where israel maintains indefinite military control over gaza. and hands over running the civilian life to gazans, without any links to hamas. the plan defined the u.s. demand that israel not be occupied -- and reduce the territory size. what are your thoughts on this proposal, with the u.s. and others pushing for palestinian sovereignty when this war ends? would this exacerbate tensions between israel and its allies? >> it would. this paper that, it's only one page paper, that netanyahu has

put out, it's a non starter across the board, other than in the right wing of the israeli political body. it's a maximalist set of positions, on the part of israel. the best you could say for it is that it is, then initial starting point to have conversations. but, so many points, you mentioned a couple of them, will simply be unacceptable to the palestinian authority, the arab league, the entire arab world, jordan, egypt. europe, and ultimately in the united states as well. israel's got to do better, and got to meet the world a little bit further along and then that paper certainly suggests. >> can you give any guesstimate, sir, as to how long this conflict is going to go on? >> not as long as ukraine and russia, in my view. this one, because of, because israel has such a preponderance

of military capability, i think in 2 to 3 months, they will really grind down the remainder of hamas. they've taken out well over half of hamas's military actual on, at this point. once they do that, 2 to 3 months from now, then i think the conversations really begin about that post war security force. it's not going to be israel simply occupying the gaza strip. it's going to have to be a combination of the united nations, arab league, palestinian authority, some civilians from gaza itself, and israelis probably embedded. it will be a combination of those things. that one, i see movement on by the summer, alex. >> but what a horrific grind until denser. all right admiral, always good to see you, thank you so much. and there's so much to say about this new headline in the washington post. here is the quote. donald trump says black voters like him more, because of his

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right now, we are getting a live look at greenville, south carolina, one of the many cities where voters are heading to the polls in the republican primary. as nikki haley looks to keep her presidential hopes alive in her home state. this, as republicans and democrats gear up for michigan's contest on tuesday. joining me now is democratic strategist antjuan -- antjuan, nice to see you again. and look, let's remind viewers, you are a democrat from south carolina, not california, that's me. what are you watching for today? >> well, let's just safely assume, alex, that trump is and will prevail in south carolina. that means white supremacists, white nationalism, bigotry, hate, and yes christian white nationalism, all bundled can together to make up trumpism. but i think it's important for

the -- class to understand. who shows up, where they show up, and how they show up. who? we know that the former president has real issues, when it comes to the women, when it comes to younger voters. and also, when it comes to i would say, more affluent voters. we also should safely assume that he has the suburban -- so how those folks show. up and, we should assume that nikki haley will garner some support among democrats, she will garner some support among those who are never trumpers. and so, all of these things will matter, and they certainly should matter about how the end of this election in south carolina will play a. alex, elections are about -- constituencies. i think that is what we should watch for tonight. >> so, as you are well aware, president biden has seen pretty significant pushback in michigan, because of his support for israel. there are some activists urging michigan democrats to vote and committed in the primary. this, to send biden a message. and my colleague, yasmin vossoughian, spoke to some young activists. let's take a listen together to what they had to say. >> is there a pathway forward

for you? with biden? >> oh, absolutely not. you cannot keep killing people with our money, and just keep thinking that oh we are stupid enough to elect you. again because -- they will forget, how can you, this is an insult to me as a voter. >> the straightforward simple answer for the biden administration is, push for a cease-fire, stop aiding israel in their war crimes. >> yasmin told me at some point, as we were talking on the air, that two of those four, they are not going to vote for joe biden, come hell or high water, that's it. so how can the president shore up his support in michigan? and if he under forms in that primary, what's that going to mean in the general election? >> well, in the democratic party, we pride ourselves on our diversity, and diversity comes in different forms, when you're a democrat. and that includes diversity of thought, and diversity of policy, opinion of policy

preference. nobody understands this more than joe biden, and kamala harris, and the democratic ticket of the democratic ecosystem. what i would say to any persons who may have any type of disagreement with the president on any policy matter, is that, notice this very importantly. the difference you think you may have amongst -- asked family, do not put compared to the differences we have with the other side. and this election will come down, ultimately, to a choice. and to those who are actively campaigning, encouraging people not to vote in the democratic primary, that sends a very dangerous message going forward. and barring words from that new york philosopher jay-z, nobody winds when the family feuds. i think we have to show up, and every election -- not make any assumptions. because the real fight is going against donald, trump and the extremists who now hijacked the republican party. and i can assure you, they will not give anyone who thinks like us a seat at the listening table. >> so last night in south

carolina, donald trump claimed that black voters like him more now, because of all of his indictments, viewing him as discriminated against. what do you even say to that, and one? >> you know, the audacity of the former president. in 2024, to speak to us as if it's 1964. the language he used last night came from a place of being -- privileged. not only was i disgusted, but i hope that people would tune in, and gave an indication of what type of leader he would be. black voters are persuadable voters, we knowe show up, we shift the conversation, we shift the atmosphere. but speaking to us like we are second-class citizens, in the 1960s, certainly is not going to encourage us to -- most of the people in that room last night were not from south carolina. black people are casting a survival vote in this election, and so, voters will have a real choice. but blackwell will certainly use this as a -- factor on how they show up in the upcoming

election in november. >> okay, antjuan -- always good to talk to you, thank you so much. why time is not on donald trump's side. my next guest explains why he is marking his calendar for monday, march 25th. for monday, march 25th.

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i'm adam schiff, and i approve this message. former president donald trump's ongoing legal issues don't seem to be of any concern to his maga base. at the conservative cpac event today, the trials of trump are firing up the crowd. take a listen. >> i got indicted four times by this gang of thugs. for nothing. or, as i say respectfully to people from foreign countries, -- >> we want trump we want trump, we want trump, we want trump. >> well, nbc's dasha burns is at the convention all day, we're don from was speaking just moments ago. so tell me what we heard from the former president, excluding the loud beep that we heard to try to make sure that a certain

word that was very colorful did not get over the air. >> yeah, a very colorful speech, just over 90 minutes long here, alex. and you are right, his legal troubles, not a concern at all. in fact, some of the -- the have been charged in relation to january 6th. and all of those things that some of his opponents might call baggage, be it january six, or some of his other legal troubles. they are celebrating, here they are badges of honor for the people here, and for former president trump. he is again delivering that message that he is being indicted for the people, that he is standing between them and this deep state, that a lot of people here believe is real and coming after the former president. and he has been using those legal troubles, as a way to rally the base, as a way to get people out to the polls. take a listen to what he said earlier. >> well it's had the reverse effect.

because our poll numbers have gone through the roof. can you believe this? they've gone through the roof. [applause] , that wasn't supposed to happen, and it's probably never happened before. i've watched over the years, as politicians get indicted. in they start by going to a microphone about two minutes after it happened. ladies and gentlemen, i will be resigning from office today, and i will be going home with my family, my friends. and i will fight for my name. well, that's the last you ever hear from them. that poor guy. >> now alex, typically at cpac, there is a straw poll, and it happens during a primary, a straw poll for the primary candidates for president in the republican primary. this time around, they believe the primary is over here. so the straw poll is actually looking at the vp contenders, the folks that trump might pick as his running mate. so that is who people here will be voting for, that will be

revealed in the next couple of hours. but again, this is the trump show, this is trump territory. and the primary is over, they are on to the general election here, and they are just looking to see who of the several people, the several contenders for vice president that have come and spoken here this week, who the audience here is going to choose, alex. >> can i just ask you quickly, am i right thinking that we were just hearing that -- 1978 hit by the village people, ymca, rallying up the crowd? did my ears to see me? >> no, every rally. every, every rally, every trump event, we also -- one of the frequent songs on the play this comes from phantom of the opera. and memory, from cats, it turns out trump loves his broadway music. >> okay, like i said, cool. >> thanks -- so can you hear that? the tiktok tiktok. well, that is the clock running out on donald trump in his bank accounts. >> no

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in cash, or bond, and filed an appeal to the verdict. -- it is going to grow $111,000 every day, until it is paid. joining me now, -- the lead prosecutor in the trump university investigation. and author of taking down trump, 12 rules for prosecuting donald trump, by someone who did it successfully. so -- you posted this on x, here it is. monday march 25, 2024. that is now the day when donald trump will have to pay 454 million to the court in new york, or find a sucker lender, or sugar daddy, who will put up a bond for him. trump tried to delay, and was denied. if he can't pay, he can kiss

his building bye-bye. so march 25th happens to be the start of his hush money case, explain to us what happened friday, and the amount total, being formed and 54 million for trump, which includes that 100 million pre-judgment interest, right? could that amount, and the interest, could it first of all change on appeal? >> it could, it definitely could. you do see amount changed on appeal. but we are not talking about it being knocked down from former in 54 million down to like to, million or even -- you could see it knocked down to like 300 million, 400 million, something like that. but there is still going to be a very, very large number here, that donald trump owes, even if things go his way on appeal. i don't think he is going to get it reversed on appeal, and find that there was no fraud at all. i think the odds of that happening are extremely low. >> okay. so cnbc has highlighted what is next, and it goes like this. unless he wants to pay the

entire penalty while his suspect -- >> reporter: is considered, trump will need to post an -- . this is typically of 220% of a judgment, plus the current interest. and that article, kristen, also points out the defense -- of trump securing a bond worth more than $500 million. how do you see this playing out? >> not well, not well for him at all. this is a reckoning. the thing is that we need to view this in the right lens. this is money that he got over the last ten, 15 years, that he shouldn't have gotten. he got all of this money length to him during this whole time. it propped up all of his -- businesses, most of his businesses lose money. it props up his lifestyle, his giant jet, all of his campaign expenses, all of his legal expenses. his entire lifestyle in the last 10 to 15 years has been propped up by all of these ill gotten loans. and now, he's got to actually cough a bunch of that money.

so that's what this is. what's he going to have to do? there's a good chance he is actually going to have to sell some buildings, or we really need to keep an eye on this, is their money that flows in, particularly from overseas? lenders, that helped prop him up in this situation? no bank is going to lend him anymore, no reputable bank is going to lend him this money. we need to keep an eye on where the money comes from. because if he doesn't sell the buildings, it's possible something even worse is going on here. >> yeah, well you called him a sucker lender, if they end up going. -- you are posting. let's take a listen to what new york attorney general letitia james said earlier this week, and we will get your reaction on the other side. >> if he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, and then we will seek judgment enforcement mechanisms in court. and we will ask the judge to seize his assets. and it wasn't just a simple mistake, a slight oversight. the variations were wildly

exaggerated. and the extent of the fraud was staggering. >> so big picture, are donald trump's new york properties valued highly enough to cover that fine? i'm curious how many you have to sell, would be one building or more? >> so, let's just put it this way. i recently heard that the recurrent fair market value of trump tower, for example, is 160 million. but there is about 100 million dollars debt on it. so that means that if it were sold, he would walk away with a net number of 60 million. it's not just the value of the buildings, which by the way has dropped. it's not just because of the trump name, which by the way definitely does not hold the value that used to, because of everything that he has done. but it's also because unfortunately for him, the commercial real estate market in new york has really gone down a whole lot since covid, because of people working from home.

offices, companies just don't need nearly as much office space as they used to. this is a problem everywhere, not just in new york. but especially in manhattan. so there's the value, which is probably going down. and then there's the debt, that trump loaded up these buildings with. so we don't know exactly, i think people have really dug into this financial report, and we are going to have to see. he might have to sell many of these buildings to come up with that kind of cash, we don't really know, exactly how bad this could get for him. but he is going to have to come up with the money, or, well actually, it's not or, he has to do this whether he is going to appeal, or he asked you this whether he is just going to accept the judgment. either way, he has got to come up with the money. >> interesting, because you mentioned trump tower, that is certainly the crown jewel in his portfolio here in new york. anyway, tristan snell, thank you so much. we will see you again soon. a big day in south carolina today, with the polls open for today's republican primary. and voters packed -- many, as you can see for yourself, have to wait in line to cast their vote. former president donald trump, leading the state's former

governor, nikki haley, by 28 points in a recent poll. haley told my colleague nbc's ali vitali, she is staying in the race, at least through super tuesday, march 5th. and south carolina has experienced an economic boom in recent years, but not all residents of that -- state are feeling that impact. nbc's jake -- has more from greenville, on that disparity. >> yeah, greenville is ground zero for republican politics in the state of south carolina. it is also ground zero for the states remarkable economic growth. if you want to understand that growth, and how it is affecting the electorate here, there's only one place to start. >> it wasn't long after we walked into the bmw's sprawling -- plant, that we saw the company's latest model, price tag nearly $200,000. >> this is travis, he's about to put the logo on the bmw xm. how long have you worked? here >> 28 years. >> 28 years. can i push this? in >> okay. >> with a mallet -- >> there you go. >> that's it. >> this car is one of the 1500

manufactured every day at the plant, and sold throughout the country and around the world. but it's the connection to south carolina, sharing -- who runs human resources here, seems to value most. >> i started as an engineer, 31 years ago basically. and, we started with this area. 1.2 million square feet. and now, we are -- almost 10 million square feet. >> how many employees back? then >> we had about 300. >> about 300? >> about 300. >> and is it right that it's about 11,000? >> yes. >> those 11,000 jobs, are more like 43,000, when you factor in other companies in the state doing direct business with bmw. according to a recent study. >> is they -- to the state economy annually in south carolina? >> i think the number that we have seen most recently was -- 27 billion. >> 27 billion with a b? >> with a b. >> the rest of the employees that we met all live nearby, and for years, stimulating the local economy. not everyone in south carolina

is benefiting from the rocket -- . -- ferment cannon cole, who has been studying its downside, at greenville's new unity park. >> who wouldn't want to live near? this know it's beautiful. i mean, it's just a shame that the folks who grew up here, and we're waiting for the -- to come, they are kids aren't going to be able to live here. local activists -- told us soaring housing prices mean the west greenville neighbors are being squeezed out. >> you specifically wanted to meet us here, on the street. how come? >> if you look at the houses on your left, and the house is on your right, you can tell that there is a market difference in the housing. the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. unfortunately, and it represents a community that needs to continue to work toward affordable housing. >> -- already voted in the democratic primary, in support of president biden. but if she could have a say in today's republican contest, she

knows who she would pick. >> could either one of the make a difference here? >> nikki haley. i think she did a good job, in handling a number of crisis situations, such as the -- shooting. and taking down the confederate flag. if anyone can continue to do that, i think she can. >> a changing economy, and electorate, that will be decisive in taking the next president. >> so what is all this change look like demographically in greenville, the second largest county in the state? and throughout south carolina. the population here has steadily grown, because of this economic growth over the last decade. but for 40 years, the black population here in greenville has also steadily declined. and that's a demographic shift that is going to affect today's election, and elections in south carolina for a long time to come. back to you. >> okay, jacob -- greenville, thank you. >> breaking news, in a story that is going to make you both sad and angry. sad and angry.

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new video released and the death of a non binary hostile student near tulsa, oklahoma. the 16 year old died just one day after a fight inside a school bathroom. this is video of them with their mother and the hospital, speaking with police. >> she told me, mom, she said these three girls, they will leave me alone. they're making comments, calling us names, throwing stuff at us. who is over this place? i said ignore it. get above it. just ignore it. she did until she couldn't in the bathroom. and they said there were three girls on top of her, beijing that crap out of her. >> police say that chain did not die as a result of the injuries from the fight, their death is under investigation. joining us now -- president and

ceo of glaad, a nonprofit lgbtq advocacy organization. sarah, i'm glad you're here. nex's mom, who you heard there, nex did say at one point i got jumped. you couldn't understand much else of what they said. what else goes through your mind when you hear this? >> first and foremost, i'm a parent of twin teens and i send them to school every day. this is a horrifying tragedy for the parents and family and friends of nex and our entire lgbtq community. this is one of those things where it is apparent forest nightmare. it is family and friends worst nightmare as well. i think what we are most concerned about is how this investigation is going. it has been fraught from the onset, from the school to police, the only reason we have the body cam from the police is

because the mother called the police to the emergency room. the school did not bring nex to the emergency room. they did not call the police. they did not file any protocol. so we are down there to make sure of this being reported accurately and the pressure is on local officials at this time. >> can you imagine how hard it must be for nex's mom to say that video? the last video, presumably, the day before nex died? that got to be gut-wrenching to watch. the new york times interviewed the state superintendent for oklahoma public schools. he is accusing that radical leftists for using this incident for public gain. what is your response? >> ryan walters, we are also calling for him to step down or be fired, at this point in time. he has gross negligence on his hands. he has actually targeted the

lgbtq community. there are over 54 anti-lgbtq bills proposed in oklahoma alone this year. over 400 across the country. ryan is the tip of the spear and oklahoma, especially for the school system. there is 19 targeting just the schools. and these kids in the schools. it is so hard to be a teen today, in school. that last thing you need is local officials also targeting you, just because you are different or you don't fight and or because your lgbtq. so i think ryan has a target on his back and he's trying to turn the target around. he has been aggressively going after the lgbtq youth and oklahoma. >> nex's mama confirmed the taint was bullied because of their gender identity. your organization says this is raising a lot of concerns,

specifically those concerns about -- 40 seconds. >> from the onset, it is the response and reaction that nex was being bullied for an entire year. and even in that interview, with that buddy, cam nex said they didn't record it because they knew they wouldn't do anything about that. ryan walters's act the top of that, creating that culture and environment. secondly, when this incident happened and this attack happened, no authorities were cold, no paperwork was put through. now the same ease report as living in limbo and the police are reporting on the close of death for a medical examiner. it is fraught with problems at this point. >> tough conversation, thank you so much for sharing it with me. that will do it for us for this edition alex witt of reports. elsie you tomorrow at one pm. up next jen psaki and jonathan capehart kick off our south carolina primary coverage right now. ry coverage right now.