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>> good evening, everyone, and welcome back to msnbc special coverage of the south carolina republican presidential primary. i am symone sanders-townsend, with my friends and co-host alicia menendez and michael steele. in a blow to nikki haley, donald trump, the twice impeached four times indicted ex president overwhelmingly when the primary in her home state. the state she used to be the governor of. here is what he had to say moments after the race was called. >> there have been a spirit like this. i just want to say that i have never seen the republican party so unified as it is right now. >> we cannot verify the veracity of the truth of those statements, but -- only a quarter of republican primary

voters in the state say nikki haley has the mental and physical health to serve effectively when compared with 38% who say donald trump does. kelly's campaign manager told nbc news tonight that, while they know the ads, they also know what is at stake, confirming they are staffed and ready to stay until the end of march. haley, for her part, has framed super tuesday, or march 5th, as a reassessment point for her campaign. let's just listen to some of what she said after tonight's results. >> the younger generation, my children's generation, knows it better than anyone. they deserve better. they deserve leadership. and so, i will keep fighting

for them, and for you, and for all of america. >> so, according to nbc news exit polls, 38% of voters actually only -- don't trump -- i don't know with his physical and mental health situation is. >> i don't know. >> but look, nikki haley is still in this race. i said in the last hour that i believe she is trying to pull a bernie sanders. someone who, again -- >> donald trump is going to put that in an attack ad, just so you know. >> i'm sorry, senator sanders. and i do apologize, former governor haley. -- that was the last primary. because he said he wanted the voters have the opportunity to vote for the candidate of their choice. and he garnered a lot of delegates. >> but he could. >> with haley, that's not our story. >> it's not her story. but the process is different. you have to understand, this is not an apple for apple comparison. >> that's true. >> the democrats have a proportional primary allocation, the republicans

have a winner-take-all allocation. and unless states decide individually to allow a certain proportion of folks, and even in that case, you could have a state that is a proportional race, but then if you get 50% or more of the vote, you get all the delegates. so, the proportionality goes away. so, it's a very different dynamic for folks to understand the incentive structure for a bernie sanders is very different for nikki haley. >> so, what is she doing? >> nikki haley is staying in the race because she's trying to make a point. bernie sanders stayed in the race because he had an opportunity to not just when delegates, but ultimately get to the nomination. his problem, a stumbling block, with south carolina.

and black voters said, oh, hell, no, i ain't doing that. -- that's a different conversation for that campaign. for this campaign, nikki is sitting there touting the 40%, wink, wink, yeah, that's primarily democrats and independents making up a significant number of that, at least half of that number is democrats and independent voters. she has that going into super tuesday. there are a number of states. for example, texas, alabama allow for a sort of an open primary, a quasi-open primary

process. but when you get to those red states that are red or then south carolina, and even if they are allowing democrats and independents to vote, the republican turnout is going to be so strong. >> and democrats also have their own primaries and -- >> they had their own primaries at that time. >> and pushing democrats to vote -- >> okay, why is she still here? >> -- still here. >> asking a question, people want to know at home. why? >> she still doing this. >> -- the possibility of delegate count. >> to be clear, there are no delegates for her to get. she's going into the convention

with -- >> is it about the conviction? >> it is conviction. i think -- olivia troye was with us, is exactly. right it's not just about the conviction of it. but it's also about the opportunity to maybe, perhaps carve out some land for what comes after trump. there is this thinking still, among some republicans, that trump implodes. all right? starting in the -- >> where? >> with the trials, with the cases, the weight of all of that. the $454 million in judgments. all of this stuff just becomes too much. the question i have is it too much for trump, or is it too much for party to bear? and then the party starts to reevaluate their circumstances and situation. that is why trump is hurrying up to put his daughter-in-law as part of the leadership of the rnc to start to lock down some of that backdoor cash flow. but the reality is, for her, all of those things have to happen in such a way that she is the last person standing. and here is the dirty little rub to that secret. you really think those trump voters are going to turn to nikki haley? if trump is not the guy on the ballot going forward? coming out of the convention?

>> at this point, they are more likely to look at tim scott. >> exactly, which is why tim scott is doing tim scott right now. because he is going to be, potentially, that person, if trump falters, to be considered. or, if he does not falter, to be on the ticket. so, there are a lot of little machinations going on that have nothing to do with nikki haley, but you have an impact, ultimately, on how this thing plays out. . and the reality for nikki haley is she's not garnering, at this point, the kind of thrust that moves the needle among base voters over the republican party. that is what these primary elections are about, folks. y'all can dance on the 40% all day long, and the happy clapping about it, but based republican voters decide who the nominee is. and that base has told us who they want. and his name is trump. >> folks, this is the kind of michael steele you also get at 8:00 when you tune into "the weekend". let's bring in jaime harrison, former chair of the south carolina -- shout out to -- >> my mama's from south carolina. there we go. >> south carolina is on the stage tonight. honorary, honorary. >> mr. chairman, can we just start -- south carolina has spoken. we have seen the numbers. they are very clear for joe biden and for donald trump. talk to us as we barreled towards a general election. what is the democratic party? what is y'all's the strategy. especially when you look at michigan coming up, there are a lot of democrats who are

pushing within the state. not the majority, but a number of democrats are pushing for democratic voters to go to the polls and vote unconfirmed on tuesday. >> symone -- and it's good to be with all three of you -- and congratulations on the wonderful, wonderful new show that you all have. i can't wait to join you on saturday or sunday coming up. but listen, this election is going to boil down to this. it's hope versus fear. it is progress versus chaos. and we see the chaos coming from the other side. listening to michael, in essence, that headline that reporters love to give democrats? it's about republicans in disarray. think about it. from the house of representatives, they don't know what they are doing. it's the most do nothing congress in the history of do- nothing congress is.

it took them 15 times to get a speaker. it took them nine months to lose it. and this next guy, he's probably on the unemployment line in two or three weeks. we see that they can't get anything done there. we see the rnc is falling apart. they're applying for credit lines and everything else. the chair is about to leave. former president trump is about to put his daughter-in-law ahead of it. they're going to pay his legal bills. and then you see donald trump himself. you saw the clown show of last night of him going into a forum where there are black voters, and he's talking about all of the racial tropes that he has always talked about in the

past. on the democratic side, it is about hope. it is about progress. joe biden has gotten more done in three years than most presidents get done in eight years. and bottom line, i want everybody to understand this. you vote for a president not because of their age, not because the close of their wearing, but to get stuff done. and what president has gotten more stuff done than joe biden over the last three years? so, that is going to be the message and the frame that we go into this next presidential election with so that people understand, this is about progress, continuing to move the ball forward. and then you've got chaos and fear. and you also have someone who is the biggest threat to american freedoms that we've ever had in the history of this country. take a look at what is happening in alabama right now. for the first time in 50 years, women do not control their own

bodies. one in three women of reproductive age now live in under an abortion ban. ivf is now threatened in alabama. and very soon, it will be contraception. and it's a slippery slope. when you lose one freedom, it becomes much easier to lose another. and that is what we get under donald trump. and that is why this election is so key. folks, this is not a time to play. there is no games being played right now. this is about your freedom. this is about the future for your kids, and the next generation. and this is serious. >> mr. chairman, i really appreciate that message there. but there are some hard truths that also go with that message that democrats have to confront. -- i respect and understand, and so everybody understands, jaime harrison and myself in our roles as political people were -- we don't do policy. but we were charged with going out and having to work the policy in a political context. with that in mind, mr. chairman, there are a number of concerns that voters have right now within the democratic family. and we have reporting this week on our network in michigan among the muslim community, around what is going on in israel and with the palestinian situation.

how do you see, to what you just said, about the president and the messaging there, how does the dnc and other organs of the party began to level up the messaging, to shore up the support the president is going to need, particularly among young voters who are concerned about an issue like palestine? and israel, and what is happening there? and how that may translate in terms of your ground game, and your other efforts to solidify your vote against what will be, despite what we may think or feel about donald trump, a formidable challenger to this president in a november election? >> i really appreciate, that michael. and you are right, at the dnc, we don't handle policy. but we have to deal with political implications of policy as they move forward. and the one thing we see, particularly with the situation in israel and gaza, the president understand that this is personal for so many folks. and when you are dealing with personal, you are dealing with a lot of emotions that come along with it. and the first thing is, is sitting down and listening to people and hearing where they are. and for him, and i think, for

us as a party, making sure that folks understand that we do hear them, and that we are trying to figure out ways to lead in this situation. and this is not through polling. this is not about politics. he is a commander in chief. and his number one issue, his number one interest, is to do what is in the best interest of this nation in terms of carrying on that role. and so, it is tough. there are difficult conversations to be had. but this is the thing that you understand with joe biden. it is, he's always going to be fair. he's always going to try to do the right thing for all of america, as people, and our friends and our allies as well. it's a very different contrast, michael, as you, know from donald trump. this is a man who is just focused on himself and retribution and revenge. and it is important for folks to understand that, to see what is going on in the short term,

but also to understand the long term ramifications. and so, we will, in this big tent that we have as a democratic party, we are not always going to agree on every single thing. policy is not always going to cut the way that we want to tolerance the board. but we are going to have those conversations, and sometimes they are tough conversations, so that we can move forward and be strong as a party together. and that is what we are engaging in right now. that's why i am in michigan right now, meeting with folks, and meeting with folks in various groups to make sure that those conversations are being had, and that we can find a path forward. >> mr. chairman, you all do have a lot of opinions on that side of the aisle. so, i can appreciate -- >> -- here, brother. >> i can appreciate that, my friend. dnc chair jaime harrison. thank you very much. folks, we have a new statement from president biden reacting to donald trump's victory tonight. biden says, in part, quote, last night in south carolina, donald trump stood on stage to

make shameful, racist comments that tap into a hatred and divisiveness that is the very worst of us. we all have more to do to push towards a more perfect union. but trump wants to take us backwards. let's turn now to our team on the ground. nbc news campaign embed jake trailer, who is at trump's headquarters in columbia. ali vitali is at haley's headquarters in charleston. jake, let's start with you. -- what are you hearing from trump's team and how do you think they plan to keep that momentum going out there? >> what is significant, and what i want to know is, what happened before donald trump actually took the stage tonight i was actually speaking with a couple of folks with the campaign. and they said that, unlike new hampshire, donald trump was very adamant tonight about getting on stage first, to give a victory speech before nikki haley took the stage.

look, whenever donald trump took the stage in new hampshire, after his win, he was noticeably very upset. the accused nikki haley of claiming victory. and so, tonight, you want to get on that stage first in that victory speech. he did, of course, mentioned haley, but not very much. he very much so had a pivot to a general election message that we are beginning to see more and more from donald trump. look, there are, as kristen welker was saying, last night there are too big m's, the momentum, and the math. -- i know steve kornacki. so, i'm not going to address the delegate math. when it comes to momentum, -- yes, moving forward in super tuesday states, he will be present, he will be still

campaigning. but he is way more focused and honed in on biden. we are noticing this annoyance, almost, as if he wants haley to drop out, and she won't do it. but as of now, the way that the campaign's messaging this is that they are looking towards november 5th. that's the election they say they are focused on, despite haley very much so being in this race. >> ali vitali, as you know, that maybe with the trump campaign, and not what -- it is almost as if he cannot quit nikki haley, cannot stop talking about her. what is nikki haley go from here, ali vitali? >> tonight was the bright spot of discipline. the kind that they are billing this latest trump campaign as they have at the centerpiece of it, quite frankly. but having covered trump all these many years, we know the discipline only last for so long. we also know that he has seemingly relished hitting nikki haley over the course of these last few weeks, attack and not just her as a candidate, but also attacking her husband who is currently serving on a tour overseas.

that is certainly something that has percolated within the campaign's ranks. we also saw her just in the last few days get emotional when she was talking about her husband. she said on the stage here behind me tonight that she was able to speak to her husband, michael, on this election day. he was flanked by family here, being able to bring her mother to the polls to vote for her daughter for president, along with her children. but i think in listening to the conversation that y'all have been having, a few things that stuck out to me. one, i'm glad, alicia, that you are asking the question that, frankly, i get all the time. which is, why is she doing this? if the delegate math is not there? and there's really no way for her to win? which, i do think all of those are point that i do not actually hear the haley campaign robot to meet. . you will all have worked on campaigns. you know how weird it is to not have a campaign argue with you when you talk about them not being able to win. instead, i actually think that the reason she might be in this now is, of course the principal principle -- trying to find, other people who might have, at least, wariness about the former president, not the most outright concern about him being the nominee again. haley is certainly trying to speak to those people. but i also think that, if her vision about trump's lack of electability in 2024 again bears out, she is able to then clear look back at the party and -- told you he was not going to help folks down ballot. . i told you he was not going to be able to beat president

biden. we won't know any of that until we know that. but that is certainly something that they have continuously been saying out here, and that it is only going to continue as we see her go through the super tuesday states. the other thing that i was thinking about too, when you guys were talking about the fact that the haley campaign on the one hand is saying, look. 40% of people in south carolina, a democratic makeup of a state that should be really good for trump, when 40% of people are not voting for him, her campaign has said, that is not what you should be getting if you are a quasi- incumbent. so, yeah, that's a warning sign for him. but i was looking, when michael was talking earlier, about some of the other numbers in this

breakdown. and the idea that haley wants to pull independent voters to her cause. only 28% of republicans who voted in this primary tonight supported nikki haley, according to our colleague brigitte bowman, who is looking at the nbc news exit polls for us. . but also, for context, haley did win among independents. she won 59% to 40%. but the problem is, that coalition is only 21% of the electorate. so, in south carolina, that was always want to be a long shot of how you can build a coalition that would win. but in a place like michigan, in a place like virginia, in a place like massachusetts, they are hoping that they can do something similar and try to drive those numbers up. it is not going to be a coalition of capital r republican primary base voters, but it could be a coalition that gives them at least enough to continue going on and trying to make this point that they have been making over the course of the last few weeks that is, hey, people do want in alternative, even as the bulk of the establishment of the republican party says, all right, let's pack up, go home, it's trump. >> jake traylor, we ali vitali, i hope that we are your last stop on the way to bed. . thank you so much for what i know has been a very long day. >> you're welcome. >> donald trump puts a familiar name to -- at the rnc.

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>> one of the reasons we won north carolina's a man named michael wildly, who looks to me we gave him our endorsement. and he looks to me like he is going to be going on to the national republican party as the boss. michael whatley -- do we like kellyanne? we love kellyanne. >> that was donald trump. you've got to laugh, folks,

because it's funny. that was donald trump tonight, floating the idea of kellyanne conway getting involved with the republican national committee. oh, say it ain't so. trump also shouted out election denier and current north carolina republican party chair michael whatley, his pick to be the next leader of the rnc. meanwhile, the committee is faced with a massive dilemma, whether to use their funds to help pay trump's legal fees. joining us now is brendan buck, msnbc legal analyst and mo alikee, director of your ten universities institute of public service. i'll start with you, brendan, if i could really quick, down trump seems to be trying to consolidate his control which a

lot of people think he already has over the rnc, but really put his -- with lara being there as coach here, but two, the idea that nikki haley is somehow going to buck that system. you have the consolidation on the one hand and nikki trying to bucket on on the other -- who wins? >> a lot of questions tonight. like, why is nikki haley still doing this. i think at this point, there is no real rational political long term -- you just have to take her at her word. should these people deserve a choice when they vote? i think it's that simple. i don't think it's any long term game. she's also hurting herself in this process. the idea that she's going to catapult into some future of the republican party through this process, i think, is silly. this is her, i think, going out with a blaze of glory we. we'll see whatever happens when she does drop out, coming back endorsing him. i think that would be really -- in relation to the rnc i don't think it is all that surprising

that he is taking over the rnc. but what people should appreciate, though, is at least last time around, there was some tension within the party. they were -- and trying to restrain him and within the -- trying to restrain him. that dynamic will not exist this time around. everyone within the entire republican ecosystem, it's all going to be on the same. page and everybody who had an issue will be gone. >> that is so important. >> it is important. >> because sometimes, i think, mo elleithee, i hear that election night music swells, and i see the graphics and their head shots pop up. and it's easy for just a moment to lose track of just how abnormal this moment is. this is not like the election that we have covered in the

past. this is a question about the future of democracy in the united states. you even have the haley campaign saying, yeah, we know the odds. but we will also focus on the stakes. those are the stakes here. they could not be any higher. >> that's right. and it's great to hear nikki haley saying all this now. she was not saying all of this early in the. campaign. >> three months ago. >> up until iowa, she was still giving him a pass on a lot of things. and that says everything you need to know about today's republican party. to brendan's point, there are no resistance, no headwinds now for trumpism. the people who are in charge, the people who are in charge at the rnc, the people who are in charge at congress, they are going to give him a blank check to do whatever he wants. why? because his base wants him to have whatever he wants. and this whole issue of democracy being at stake is so interesting to me. because for a lot of trump supporters, they would agree. they would say, for their perspective, democracy is at stake. the people who are marching towards the capitol on january 6th truly believed that they

were the patriots fighting for american democracy. and so, this election is going to be, in many ways, a debate that defines what vision of democracy winds. >> i see what you're trying to say, yes. >> -- and in part because he has perverted truths about what has happened in the past few elections. he has tried to jiu-jitsu these arguments about democracy against joe biden. the problem is that you have so many republicans who have bought that, hook, line and sinker. >> to people who have bought it, but also, there are legitimate voters who have bought it. i do think, though, that there are a lot of people who are playing a part or a role, or caricature of what donald trump wants them to be. because they believe that that is how they will survive in this ecosystem. and why they're not more republicans like you and michael steele? >> it's a good question.

a lot of them have run off at this point. and i think it is important thing to appreciate, especially the big number that nikki haley put up tonight. we're talking about 40%. the polls have shown overwhelmingly that people who are supporting the kayleigh, if it's a choice between biden and trump, are still going to pick trump. the preference maybe nikki

haley between the two of them. but it is not as though there is this enormous group within the republican party who has just had enough and is running away. i think we assume a never trump crowd is a lot bigger than it really is. i think we assume that those people are still active members of the republican party, a lot of whom have left. they've moved on, and said, i'm sick of this, i'm not going to be here. >> look, i will just say -- right? a strong democracy, you need to, and we have -- we need to sean political parties. we need a strong republican party apparatus, and i'm searching. i don't see one. oh, lord, i have more questions, i think. we have questions. but y'all are sticking around. because south carolina has just happen. next, we are going to look ahead to tuesday's primary in michigan, were both president biden and donald trump are looking to repeat past victories. there is also some caucuses happening in michigan throughout the week. we are going to get into. it stay with us. which can lead to dialysis.

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i'm adam schiff and i approve this message. >> with south carolina in the books, the spotlight now shifts to michigan, where just days from now, voters will cast their ballots for both democrats and republicans. brendan buck and mo elleithee are still with us. can >> we first, for folks at home, who don't know -- because i did not know until michael steele told me about us, and this is my job to know, on tuesday, there's a primary, democrats will host there -- as republicans, there's also a caucus. >> a hot mess -- michigan right now there is a big dispute between the chairman and women.

they have a chairman in former ambassador hokstra in ms. -- in addition to the primary, because it was a dispute over the primary, that they would also do a caucus. okay. we will do a caucus. but then karamo -- >> it's on tuesday. mo elleithee, what do you make of the michigan primary. obviously, this is -- i know that my phone is going to light up when i say this, but there's not an active democratic primary really happening. i don't know if dean phillips

is on the ballot in michigan. i do not believe he -- owe, he is on the ballot. he skipped that. he has his sights on michigan. joe biden is expected to win there. the big question on the table is, there is this campaign now for folks to vote on committed, if you will. and this is particularly related to what is happening and how they feel about the administration's response when it comes to the war between israel and hamas and the plight of the palestinian people. even beto o'rourke has weighed in, and hazards michigan -- >> so, this worries me it. worries me in a general election. and i'm going to speak now as an arab american. it is so incredibly short sighted if you want to see real progress in gaza. and i think there is a real political opportunity here to make the choice very clear. joe biden stands with israel. joe biden wants to get the

hostages out. but joe biden is also putting pressure on our friends in israel to change the way they are litigating this war. joe biden is the reason why there have been some humanitarian pauses that have gotten some aid into israel. donald trump wants to ban muslims. he wants to keep them out of this country. he wants to stop bringing people from palestine into this country. and if you think donald trump

is going to push for a humanitarian pauses to get more aid in, or do anything to help the people of gaza, i think you are going to be very disappointed. a vote to stay home, a vote for an committed is a vote for donald trump in the general election. it is a vote that gets you closer to a muslim ban. it gets you further away from a peaceful solution that would bring some dignity to the palestinian people, while supporting our friends in israel, while supporting getting the hostages there. while supporting any sort of a two-state solution. >> again, this is a point of contention, particularly in michigan, because michigan has the largest arab american population in the country. as a democrat, you can't win michigan without winning the

suburbs. and part of the suburbs is dearborn. and dearborn, is, again, the place with the largest arab american community is. i think, prior to -- oftentimes i say, a -- possibility it doesn't make it into domestic politics. but this is something that absolutely has. but i often say, there are people that cannot point to where israel is on a map, can't tell the difference, can't tell you where the gaza strip is. but they are seeing the images coming out of the gaza strip. and they are affected by the

images. >> it's heartbreaking. >> it's heartbreaking. i think this is -- i don't expect donald trump to step up to the plate and say something about humanitarian issues. that does not mean that we should -- that he should not be asked the questions. but i do think this is more of a concern within the democratic primary. >> i guess i put it to, you mo, what does that say, then, about joe biden, that so many people are willing to protest him, basically openly? and that there seems to be this underlying weakness, that there are so many constituencies within the democratic party who, while they might respect him, are not excited about him.

they are willing to do things like this. and potentially threaten him. i just can't picture this with a barack obama situation, where they would do the same thing to. >> oh, i -- members of the obama administration getting protested by pro immigration activists during his event during his administration, we are a passionate people, democrats. we come out, we fight, and we complain to our friends. this is one of those defining issues of my lifetime, right? those images that you talked, about symone. they are heartbreaking. and now, we are going to be loud about that. democrats will be loud about that. but i think we need to keep some perspective. >> can i just, real quick on that stuff, because i think it's an important coda to that. if joe biden did what they wanted, and netanyahu still did not change the game there, then

what? because, at the end of the day, as much as you want to propel and push and squeeze this on to joe biden, joe biden is limited in ually can do. because he's not the president or the prime minister, or the leader of israel. and that is an internal decision that he is trying to influence by leveling up the two-state solution conversation, by getting netanyahu to, not only once, but, what? three times now create a pause in this horrific process. so, i think to both of your points, gentlemen, that there is this overlay that is getting played out that, unfortunately for joe biden, he's getting squeezed by it. but the reality of it is, if he did everything that all the protesters are claiming and wanting, and netanyahu still did not do the deed in terms of ending the horrific killings and so forth, then what? >> i just think it's more about the conversation. >> it is? >> jaime harrison, i love jaime harrison, but we asked him about. it and he was good. he pivoted. he -- answer the question. he hit me with the eisman, and what the other way. and i appreciate, mo, leaning in and talking about it. because it -- this is something that is happening within the apparatus. >> and that was my point. you made him articulate the case than i've heard anybody of

the democratic party, including the president -- why is the president not able to make this argument? there's -- and others, that they don't seem to be drawing the contrast. you would think at this, moment everyone talks about democracy being at risk, you would be making those contrasts. >> -- he's got to sit there and talk to these families, and have people back there, as well as the families of the hostages that were taken by hamas. this is such a personal issue for so many people. >> i think the reality is, when asked, and when protested, the president does respond with, i think the answers that people would like to hear, but he is welcome to come here and give us interviews, and we are happy to talk to the president. >> anytime, sir. anytime, sir. >> brendan buck, mo, think you all for staying up late. we will be back with some final thoughts on this illuminating evening. shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients or to a previous dose. an increased risk of guillain-barré syndrome was observed after getting shingrix. fainting can also happen. the most common side effects are pain, redness, and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, tiredness, headache, shivering, fever, and upset stomach. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingrix today. as the world keeps moving, help prevent covid-19 from breaking your momentum. you may have already been vaccinated against the flu, but don't forget this season's updated covid-19 shot too.

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those comments. final thoughts, friends? >> i think there is a lot of storylines here. but they all lead to the same place. and that is a race between joe biden and donald trump. as much as i think people want to see something else, and they want to will something else to happen, i just don't -- the american people, as fickle as we can be sometimes, and as prickly and difficult, when they make up their mind, they tell you what they want, and they do it. i mean, they just do. and the republican primary, they are not making another choice. so, all of this, well, they are telling us that there is someone else other than donald trump. well, why don't you vote for him? why don't they have 60% and donald trump have 40? why didn't they, when there was a stage of eight people, and he wasn't there, you pick one of those other people? so, the reality of it is

that's, where we are. same with joe biden. stop the moaning and groaning and get behind a guy who is the standard bearer for your party, because that's where you got. >> i have a question. which is, if donald trump were actually to be disciplined, which he is not, he laid off of nikki haley, and he started treating this like a general election, and it really became a clear, binary choice, as you just said, between biden and trump, who do you think that benefits? >> trump. yes. it benefits trump. >> we are -- i'm just like, it's crazy. it's crazy. whether the numbers have materialized formerly on the paper, it's like, when i asked my husband, would he know what i want for dinner? you know i want to go to the

restaurant i'm always going to. whether you have made a reservation or not, you know that's where we are going to end up. >> i went there for lunch today. >> that's where we end up. whether we are at the convention or not, it's joe biden and donald trump. >> it is. have your head in that game. >> yes, that is the game. so, does it benefit? i think, at the end of the day, where you began our coverage tonight, that this is not normal. these are not normal times. it's not a normal election. this is not a normal presidential primary process, on the republican party side. it's not normal that the

president will end up being the republican nominee is four times indicted, 91 counts, everything from sexual assault, to rape, to you out here, don't have the money to pay the bills. >> he's broke. >> and you are promising to be a dictator on day one, and your offensive comments to black people. the sneakers, maybe perfume. i don't know. mugshots. like, this is not normal. but this is where we are. so, people have to pay attention. you know? this was important for us to do tonight. i know a lot of folks were like, why are we doing this? because politics is happening, whether you participate or not, ladies and gentlemen. >> and that does it for tonight. thank you for watching msnbc's special coverage of south carolina's republican presidential primary. you can catch the three of us back here on msnbc bright and early, 8:00 am eastern for the "the weekend". -- in the white house jennifer klein -- and that is very. soon have a great night. great .

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