impossible for his family to understand it. a devoted educator who did so much good for so many students, ripped from their lives for something so mundane. some online flirtation. a single dinner date. more flirtation. two years later, and then three quick shots. >> it's a complete waste. the lives of the kids he could've held. who knows what path they would've taken if they had contact with him? >> the homicide brewed in cyberspace may sound completely modern. but the combustibles are as timeless as the winter fields here. one woman, two men, and a jealousy that was all consuming. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. watchin

good morning and welcome to this weekend edition of mourning. joe eve got a lot to get you on the sunday morning, let's dive right. in >> russia is a gas station masquerading as a country. it's hypocrisy, it is corruption, it is a nation that is really only dependent upon oil and gas for their economy. so economic sanctions are important. give some military assistance to ukrainians, at least so they can defend themself. >> while. >> that was the late senator john mccain back in 2014, with an eye on vladimir putin's economy and his intentions for ukraine. >> i wonder, well i don't wonder, i actually -- i spoke with john mccain in the last year of his life, i was going to say i wonder what he would say about lindsey graham. we had a good conversation, he

rolled his eyes, i think he said lindsey is so excited about playing golf with the president, he is like half gone already. he is fully gone now. i don't think even senator mccain would ever, ever! have imagined that lindsey graham would go from supporting ukraine's fight against vladimir putin, to following donald trump. there are people inside the senate, republicans inside the senate outraged at lindsey's flip-flopping. and, the fact that, he actually voted against -- and it made a difference to them. if lindsey had voted with them, then there would have been at least half of the republicans or majority of republicans in the senate voting for this ukrainian aid package. but he voted against it. and to thank, that that one guy

called himself john mccain's friend, and saw mccain as a mentor for him. it is just ridiculous. and, it would make senator mccain really side. >> yeah senator graham always fancied himself as a defense hawk, the guy who would stand in the breach and helped democracy survive. push russia back, he taught like that until trump told him not to. and it goes back to the thing we talk about all the time, is there anything that these republicans will not do for donald trump if he asked them, if he tells them. you can say no once in a while, to maintain your relationship, you still get invited to mar-a- lago to play golf, maybe if he gets reelected hill put you in his cabinet, which is what i suspect that graham is up to here. or just being close to power is his goal. and you have to stand for something, and trump stripped away any principle there was

whatever was there, in so many republicans. >> i have known lindsey since 1994, we came in together in congress you, know mika a lot that he does does not surprise me because, yeah up there he is. his finger is always in the wind. always tries to find a sponsor, and follows a sponsor whoever it may be. it went from john mcclain to donald trump. i will say, even this surprise to me, abandoning ukraine. in its most critical moments. where, it is nationhood is a risk, it's liberty is at risk, it's freedom is at risk. lindsey graham has made trips over there. he knows ukrainian children are being kidnapped, that innocent civilians are being killed. he knows that vladimir putin -- he knows us, he has talked about it throughout his career.

he knows that vladimir putin will not stop at ukraine. after ukraine it is lavi a, it is lithuania, it is estonia, it is poland, lindsay knows this! and yet already, washes his hands of. it washes his hands of it, and beach race, not only the ukrainian people but he betrays nato he betrays western democracy. and he betrays the whole idea of the west. the whole idea of the west, that vladimir putin, communists across china and north korea, and the -- in iran. that they hate, that they are more west every day. and it is a battle, it has always been about all and right

now, lindsey graham is siding with the enemy. he is siding, not with the west, but where vladimir putin. and wait, communist china. >> and so are so many house republicans. >> with communist north korea! because lindsey voted no to supporting israel, he voted no to supporting ukraine, he voted no to supporting taiwan. oh my god. the message that sends to communist leaders across the world, who want to destroy us is just shopping. >> -- it's still with, us joining the conversation we have nbc contributor mike barnacle, nbc news political analyst mccaskill she and -- our co-host of the msnbc podcast how to win 2024.

and host of the podcast on brand with donny deutsch, donny deutsch is with us as well. >> clare, i was talking about lindsey i served with him in the house in 94, you served in the senate, and you know lindsey is lindsey. he goes with the wind. but, you tell me, if you don't feel like me. i am sure you are even surprised that he has betrayed ukraine, betrayed ukraine and israel, and betraying taiwan, all because donald trump told him to. >> yeah i sat across from him on the armed services committee for 12 years, and if somebody told me during those 12 years that there would come a time that lindsey graham would vote against essential aid to ukraine, to stop putin. and, vote against aid to israel, and vote against aid to taiwan, i would say, i would bet whatever money you have that that would not happen. i

had no idea, he had this character flaw. i had no idea that he was this, really, frankly disturbed, in terms of needing approval from someone that has more power than he has. and, it is just frightening to me that he would do this. if you look at the list of people who voted no, from the new two supposed star katie britt who is supposed to be a mcconnell ally, and was handpicked by what i would consider the traditional republican party. you look at tim scott, and vance, you see a list of people who want to be vice president. they all voted no, they voted for the new republican party that is pro putin, and pro making consumers in america pay more for their tvs, and washers and dryers, and many other things, because of a trade policy that does nothing but punish americans that buy things. by making prices go higher.

so, it is, just mind bending to me that lindsey graham has become this but this is who he is and we should recognize it. >> and donny deutsch, or showing pictures of donald trump with vladimir putin, going back to the press conference nobody will ever forget, as long as donald trump is in politics. that when donald trump, look at him, he was just submissive to vladimir putin. so much so that our own jonathan lemire asked, hey do you trust vladimir putin more, or your own intel chiefs. he said a, a, i trust vladimir putin more. you know, this is shocking, but i still believe in america that, siding with vladimir putin over ukraine, over the west, over western democracy, over freedom, i still

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♪ ♪ ♪ >> welcome back to morning joe: weekend let's pick back up on the conversation we were just having before the break. >> we were talking about how donald trump's narrow casting, when he talks about abandoning nato allies, making them pay up, a very unpopular minority opinion. so too is this senate position on ukraine. americans believe it is important to help ukraine in this fight, they do not want to see russia where. they are digging deeper, and deeper in fealty to donald trump in positions that are not popular in this country. >> yes, partially by people like lindsey graham as -- just pointed out. assad, spineless figure, that we thought we knew but we do

not really know. to joe's point that he just raised about people nascar tree and what they believe in. they believe in the country first of all. and i'm wondering, yesterday the former guy, trump, here's what he said in this town hall meeting. we have a country that is dying, we have a country that is failing, a failing nation. a nation in decline. we are a nation in decline. my question is, to the people out there watching, to the people who go to work every day, raise their children, pay their taxes, why is it that this new republican party, so many of them, people like donald trump, people like lindsey graham, why do they hate america? >> it is a great question, and it is one i have been asking for sometime. why do they hate america? why does donald trump hate america? why does donald trump say --

why does he lie about america. >> it is nancy pelosi's question? >> why does he always lie about america, and tear down america, he says we are a nation in decline? please, please. try telling that to our allies, they will laugh, like a bitter laugh. because they look at the united states economy and they are jealous. they are jealous because our economy is stronger than any economy in the world. we have people coming on the show since 2007 saying that china is going to overtake us, their economy will be -- no! it has just not happened. as i said in 2007, 2008 and people pushback on me, it is still not going to happen. the u.s. economy has a 25 trillion dollar gdp. that is how big our economy is every year. china is at about 17 billion. europe, the eu that donald trump

hates so much, about 22 to 24 billion gdp. the united states, and our european friends have a 15 billion dollar economic machine. russia, 1.3, 1.4 billion. almost 50 times the size, or economies combined of russia's. we and more than double of china's. our economy is strong, our numbers better than anybody else 's numbers. are there are some pockets that need to be improved? our grocery still too expensive? yes groceries are too expensive. americans are paying about 11% of their paycheck for their groceries. that's about what they paid in the 90s, but, you know it's got to get better. but, overall, you look at jobs, you look at gdp you look at

every trend. we are doing better, not only than our allies but the people who consider the united states an enemy. our military, they lie about our military. i served on the armed services committee on the house, i know you served on the armed service committee in the senate claire. you have seen how great our men and women in uniform are. god, they are the best of the best. and, you look at every rating from around the world, reading militaries. the united states military stronger, than it has ever been relative to the rest of the world since 1945. there is not a close second. in fact, in the latest ranking i saw that russia was second, and russia its military is collapsing. russia was second to the u.s.

military. and yet, donald trump lies about america's greatness. donald trump lies about men and women in uniform. donald trump lies about small business owners, and entrepreneurs, and they're geniuses of silicon valley, and they're geniuses on main street usa what they are all doing what, they have done to rebuild our economy after covid. the lies! i don't understand it claire! why do they bash america so much? >> yes, and the irony is if you are to travel around the world which i am fortunate enough to have the chance to do, several times a year. you know what the rest of the world sees right now? they see america with the strongest economy, the america with the most advanced technology, americas universities still the brightest light on the horizon

in terms of academics and research. they see american companies still exceeding in terms of their global reach, but you know what they really looked down their nose at? they looked down their nose on donald trump being a leader. that's what everyone says when we travel, you would not elect them light elect him again would you? hasn't the country learned? you wouldn't give this guy power again would you? tell us, he is not going to be of reelected, tell us that you have learned your lesson. so, the only blemish on america worldwide is trump. can i make a suggestion? i move that any newspaper in america quick quit doing fact checks on joe biden, and still they do front page trump fact checks every day. it's ridiculous that the new york times fact checks biden. trump vomits lies. every day, over and, over

again. it is ridiculous that the new york times is doing a fact check on biden. but let trump give the torrent of lies. >> yes i have no problem with that fact checked on the white house, but they need to do the same thing. >> but again this is what fascist do, fascists lies so much. russia's fire hose of false hoods. they lie so much that some people get exhausted. and that is where exhausted comes in. by the way, i would love every mainstream media outlet to look, and ask the question, why does trump trash america? why does he say that we are a nation in decline, when we have the strongest economy in the world? why does he say we are in decline when we have the strongest military machine in the world. why does he say we are in decline, when we have the greatest universities in the world? despite problems with these

universities, that i hope are getting fixed. but, the greatest universities in the world. people send their children from across the world even those who consider america their enemies, send their children here to be educated in america. we have the best doctors, best medical treatment in the world. why do people send their loved ones to america, when their very lives are on the line? you know what? we had savannah on the show the other day, and she talked about a bible verse that meant something to her, so much about quit looking inward, quit obsessing on yourself, look to the hills. it was a bible verse, she said she read it, and it got her off the floor, got her moving forward when the admonition that we stop looking at ourselves, and look to the hills, look to guard. let me tell you something.

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wall street journal opinion columnist, daniel had injure has a new piece entitled trump owes americans some answers on foreign policy. he writes in part this, the people of ukraine await a thumbs up, or down on their feet from mr. trump. so which will it be mr. trump? let ukraine defend itself, or let it go. we are not there yet, but we've been at these decisional crossroads before, that would be the munich agreement of 1938. putin's actions and just vacations invoke hitler's in the 1930s. in 1938, hitler annexed austria

an independent state, declaring it a political unification. months later, in the munich agreement, british prime minister chamberlain attempting to avert war, conceded that hitler could occupy the german speaking territories of chuckle slovakia, in return for promising no further territorial expansions. mr. trump may yet instruct senate republicans to end support for ukraine. that would be a historic redefinition of u.s. leadership in a world of aggressors. if so, mr. trump has an obligation to tell american voters why 2024 will not be another 1938. will we relive history? joining us now, poland's foreign minister -- formally the nation's minister of national defense, it is great to have

you with us on the show mr. foreign minister. given what is happening in congress, i am embarrassed, personally, for my country. what has been the impact over debate for aid to ukraine here in the u.s.? >> actually, a lot of damage to america's credibility has already been done. because, this package has been debated for months. and the failure to pass it, makes us realize that even when the commander in chief, the president of the united states, wants something to happen, wants to help his allies, he may not be able to do so because that is what is happening. that puts the exposed allies, such as my country who has borders on both russia and ukraine in a precarious prison position. followed in the media and also in the far east -- if countries conclude that america cannot

come to help them, even when it's president wants to, countries will start hedging. countries will have second thoughts, and this will not increase american influence around the world. >> mr. foreign minister can you speak to the practical impact of the long delay in aid to the ukraine, europe has stepped up, individual nations giving money just this weekend. some and arson say europe has it covered they don't need our money we have our own problems here at home, et cetera, et cetera. what has changed on the battlefield, and will continue to change with the american money does not arrive? >> we as the collective west encouraged the ukrainians to build a counter offensive but we lagged with the deliveries. as a result, the russians had a chance to reinforce their front lines, and the offensive stalled. now the russians are on the offensive they have retaken avdiivka.

europe has done what they have canned, we have passed a 50 billion dollar package, to keep the state running, for the state servants to be paid, and infrastructure to function. but of course you cannot win a war with pensions. you need weapons. european countries, and the union as a whole are giving ukraine what we can. but, of course, the american package is mostly arms arms manufactured in the united states that ukraine desperately needs to protect its cities. we are talking about anti aircraft, and the long-range artillery that can hit russian ammunition depots and so on. and, this is why the american package is so important, it is mostly arms. as most quite rightly said in your introduction, manufactured in the united states. europe's, restarting our economy, we are on a crisis

footing, but we are not quite there yet. >> is there a real concern, another point has been made that putin has seen the west go wobbly with ukraine question, that he will not stop at ukraine and he might seek to move west. is there real concern about that? >> yes there is. that he will do to ukraine that, he did to donbas the province's conquered ten years ago. namely, that he might use both the industrial and human resources of what he captures to then roll on further. he talks about -- and he, and his former president threaten us, not just with nukes but with the minorities that are supposedly in trouble. for example in latvia. so he's thinking about. it he would not be passed

occupying part of a small nato country, just to show everybody, to everybody, that nato guarantees are worthless. >> listening to you, just now with that answer. september, 1939 seems as if it is right over your shoulder. >> this is how we think about it in europe, and we should not repeat the mistakes of that time. which was, in munich, to trust a dictator's words, his piece of paper, rather than call him to account. >> so with all of this going on, the daily destruction of ukraine continuing hour by hour, how do you see this war ending? >> if the american package gets voted through, ukraine will get the means to at least hold the line. and if ukraine holds the line, eventually the russian economy will suffer. they have already sent half of their national reserve budget.

they are not superhuman, they have shortages and difficulties to. >> foreign defense minister what was your reaction when donald trump came out and said basically, if countries don't pay up, go ahead putin march, and go invade these countries. >> well, he of course was right even before nato member states should pay, according to their own pledges at least 2% of gdp. poland has been spending 2% for the last 50 years, we now have a super law that gives the army 3%, and we are actually going to 4%. and, if need be we will double it. because we will fight and resist whatever comes. but, the point is nato, and alliance, is not a contract with your neighbor property protection company. article five, has only been

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well you know her as the co- host of the today show, covering the biggest stories and news makers each morning. but now savannah guthrie is sharing a deeply personal side of her own life. calling it the most vulnerable thing she has ever done. and, savannah joins us now. it is so great to have you on for this book. i have been reading up on it, and watching some of the events you have done. one thing that struck me right off the bat, is your concept in this book and what you're looking for people to learn. it is, at times, when your faith is tested. at times of unspeakable loss, you say that is exactly when you need god. when people are questioning, how can you have faith? >> yes, i think it might be the hardest to hold on to and also the most essential i talk about

it mika with the biggest crucible of my life was losing my father at the age of 16. i talk about how i had friends who said oh what about your faith now? you can't still believe in god. and actually, this is when i need him the most, i can't lose my dad and lose god at the same time. i think you are right, the book i hope is very hopeful, and has a very positive message and most of what god does is love you. whatever terms we put it in, we might wonder where is god? and what is he up to? the answer is simple, it's not easy to believe most of what god does is love you. i did try to take on those questions of doubt, especially in the world we live in. we are all in the news business, it's enough you have your own trials, own setbacks, own disappointments. but we wake up very early in the morning, don't we and i write about. that it's like being shot with a tiny thousand pinpricks year her when you hear all the news to the world. and you do sometimes ask where

is god? spoiler alert, this book does not have the answer to these philosophical questions [laughter] but i do believe it is okay to ponder them. whether you come from a lot of faith, or a lot of doubt, what god asks us is just to bring our whole selves to him authentically. he may not get an answer right away, not enough life, but you will get him and there is a great comfort there. >> you know, savannah, i have been so excited about this book. we share a similar background, and i learned that when we were sitting talking years ago. and i just said wholly, wholly, wholly. and you said number one in the hymnal. >> page one. >> page wine! >> and there are only a certain subset of people [laughter] like me, went to vacation bible school. you talk about that in. here so, i am always fascinated with people who shared faith. and many of them i have been so

side and at the direction they have gone. not politically, because guard does not care about our politics, only our souls he loves us. you seem to get, for me at least, the core of the message that we were taught growing up. that god is love. guide loves you. anyone watching, guard is watching, he loves you. jesus said i did not come here for sacrifice, i came here for love. it is not the healthy that needs the doctor, it is the sick. and you seem to get at the heart of that. what guard does is love us. >> preach, preach joe. but you know, sometimes that can be really hard to believe. that is why i said the book is so personal because i didn't want to write mmr i can't even

remember what happened in my career. i make a joke, if i wrote a memoir it would be called what happened? [laughter] but i think every single person, how it looks from the outside. every single person struggles has setbacks, disappointments, and it is the hardest in those moments to believe that there could be a god, let alone a god that loves you specifically and meaning fully. i'm not here to preach, what i hope by talking about the god i know and the god i've encountered, not by doing things roper when everything is wrong. is so universally appealing and compelling. obviously, i come from a certain faith background, but i really hope that this is for any mind. that there is something something compelling, or resonates with them no matter if you have a lot of faith, a lot of doubt, faith curious,

faith sober, i don't know what the terminology would be. [laughter] but, come as you are is the message of the book because i do believe that god loves us. specifically, the second part of that when you can truly feel that love, if you can really absorb it, let it in, let it touch your soul, guess what you would not be able to contain it. you would exuded outward. and i really think that that is god's planned for us as human beings. and unfortunately we do forget it. and you ask what can i do in a war that's fallen, i don't know what to do with the whole wide world but i know what to do about the world in front of me. mostly about what god does is love you, so you go and do it too. >> you know, you really explain your faith here and the opportunity for others to have it, because that love is what gives you courage, it's what gives you strength, that love is what forgives you, and allows

you to move forward. i think people kind of jump to all i am not feeling -- this they are too literal to the point that they missed the opportunity to feel it and let it in. >> yes, and so many things that we have seen from certain preachers and movements exclude love. it's like the jefferson bible, he cut out the versus he did not. like so many people today are cutting out the hearts of jesus's message. whether it is the sermon on the mount, or just go through his entire ministry, it is about forgiveness, love, it's about being merciful, being a good samaritan, loving others. god says blessed are the mers of, all they'll be shown mercy. and that is love. and that is what you get at here, which again i've got to say you talk about it in the

beginning, this is a bold move. because i'm not a greek theologian, i haven't been the seminary school, and i'm not even giving this to you to read front to back, pick it up, read it is amazing. talk about that, talk about not only what this book is but what it is not. >> yes, first of all, spoiler alert, i have a disclaimer section at the beginning of the book, i'm not a theology and i didn't go to bible study. i was mostly there for the crackers and shoes but i picked up a couple of things. really, what it is is just a regular person experiencing face through the ups and the downs. i tried to be really honest, and bra about it, including as my daughter would say, cringe. including some old journal entries in here that are just painful for me to.

rebirth sometimes when you go back and look at your life and engage on that what you can see, and get past the embarrassment you can see progress. and i think you can see the hand of god, that was not visible to you than, but can be now. it's a series of essays, it's supposed to be really accessible. you could pick it up, i could say he could trap it on the floor, pick it up and read it. >> up next, we talk to a reporter who has studied by americans have stopped hanging out with each other over the last few years, and will tell us why. i scheduled with safelite autoglass. their experts replaced my windshield

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topic. >> it's so important, it is crazy i was talking to my kids last week we were talking about social media, and i found -- >> did they date? >> all these things that seem to isolate people but what our conversation expanded out to was yes, the pew is emptying out in churches, but also service clubs, organizations, the rotary clubs, elks clubs, everything our parents were members of. places people came together. and, it is just not happening now, and it is creating a crisis of loneliness. talk about it, and how did this happen? >> you put your finger on the facts, i think there are two stories to tell here. the first, since the advent of screens, social media and smartphones really seen plummeting socializing not only among adults, but teens. since 2003 the average american adult hangs out face to face with people, 33% less than they

did years ago. the average teenager hangs out with their fellow peers, 50% less than they did 20 years ago. an enormous collapse. to your point, this is not something that we can merely, and exclusively blame on social media, it's something of the robert putnam's pointed out in the 1990s. he called it bowling alone. we are seeing the decline of labor unions, political associations, people hanging out at a bowling alley. it is important to show that we are hanging in or hanging out depression, within a larger hanging out recession that went back decades. it's important to remember both of those facts. >> so derek, which groups do you see experience this the most? which groups are finding themselves most alone, and therefore loneliest you have a breakdown of demographics? >> fortunately, the american survey run by the bureau of labor statistics really does let you break this down by age

marital,, status education, ethnicity. what you see for the most part loneliness is highest among the most low income, black hispanic americans, and on married americans. i think we need to establish between -- and levels. if you mind tell the story about where hanging out is following the fastest it is among teenagers. but where is the level the lowest. who has the fewest friends? who has the most a long time? then you see a loneliness inequality, as you can call it is growing. higher income americans have more socializing times, at lower income and unmarried seem the most untethered from social infrastructure. they go to church last, they have fewer friends, less dinner parties, that is where the crisis of loneliness is probably most acute. >> yes derek the numbers are really stunning. it's such a great piece.

what are the implications of all of this, if people are not socializing as much as they used to, clearly they are not. what does that mean for our society now, and in the future? >> let's say to psychological, and politically. psychologically, i like hanging out, i'm sort of an extrovert i've i had doubted that showed people weren't hanging out as much i would not want to make a whole thing about it if most people are happy. but, we also know the numbers, again from the federal government that shows teen helplessness anxiety and depression has spiked to all- time highs. we have a loneliness crisis according to the surgeon general. it's important that we don't have an alone nurse phenomenon, but a loneliness phenomenon. some people can be alone, and very very happy. watching a movie alone, reading a book alone. i'm not against a lone nurse, i'm against loneliness. the second thing is political. i think a lot of people if they

see the community less, if they see their neighbors less, what do they have to understand the world. night physical attractions with other human beings but only national news. i think people constantly catastrophizing the world make people feel that the world is worse than it actually is and it might be an implication of the loneliness crisis. >> the new pieces entitled why american suddenly stopped hanging out, we have a four hour show, we could even entire show on this issue that you brought to the table. do thompson, thank you very much we appreciate you being. on it is so important. >> the loneliness epidemic it is such a crisis, and it is one of those things they do not fit neatly. in your politicians plan on how they are going to save america, and how they are going

to do this or that. but, loneliness eats away at some of the people and we have got to figure out -- >> and it's an emergency. >> it's such an emergency. >> the surgeon general has already called this an epidemic, and so it is a serious issue of our time. >> we have a second hour of morning joe: weekend for you, straight ahead right after the break. ad right after the break. this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours.

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>> welcome back to the second hour of morning joe: weekend on this sunday morning. here's more of the conversations we had in a really busy week in politics. >> from my first day in office, i took historic action to protect the unborn, like nobody has ever done. i was able to bring this issue for the first time in 54 years back to the states where everybody agrees on both sides, everybody agrees that's where it should be. back in the states, it was so important. everybody on both sides. >> three alabama clinics have now suspended their in vitro fertilization services. following a state supreme court ruling, that embryos are babies. the university of alabama and birmingham was the first to announce the change on wednesday. it's the states largest hospital. now, two others are following suit. provider side, because of the high court's ruling, they're worried about legal penalties. and they will now potentially face for discarding embryos.

so what are they going to do with them? meanwhile, president biden is blaming the court's decision on donald trump, saying it's a direct result of overturning roe v. wade. >> well, it is. none of this would be happening, none of this would be happening. and by the way, the president went on to say the disregard for women's ability to make these decisions for themselves and their families is outrageous and unacceptable. and just like navalny, donald trump's too much of a coward to talk about the ivf decision. adrian, we talked about all the things that are happening. women who are being denied medical care, women who are bleeding out, who doctors say, i can't help you, i can't touch you. i can't do anything to help you. all of that is happening, as i

say, under age rape victims are chased from their states, instead of being taken care of and treated and loved. and their own doctor, by their own preacher, by their families own mental health counselors if they have them. by school counselors instead. they're rushed into a station wagon, and they have to flee the state. because of donald trump, because of donald trump. >> because of donald trump. >> not because of anybody else, he has bragged, he is the one who terminated roe v. wade. that's what happened there, and now, no families, i have family members that have used ivf in the past. i know just about every family has. and the joy that these children bring. it's live.

it's like a miracle, and now, adrian, you have donald trump that is also terminating the right of young adults who want to have a baby and can't, except through ivf. that's where we are. he did it. >> he didn't, joe, and he's trying to run away from it by linking to the new york times and he really supports a 16- week abortion ban, but that's not the case. he is the one who put three supreme court justices, who he knew wanted to overturn roe at the moment they had the chance to, on the supreme court. he is solely responsible for this domino effect the we are seeing, and look, joe, i will tell you this. i think this is something that every single american can relate to. i have so many friends who have had children, started families via ivf. i myself have frozen my eggs, like many other friends of mine. this is something that so many of us can relate to, and if you're the average voter out

there who is maybe still trying to figure out, who might going to vote for? i may be undecided. you look at something like this and you're like these republicans are absolutely crazy. it's like they didn't quite think through all the repercussions of overturning roe v. wade. we and this is because of the supreme court did this is something that happened on dobbs, and this is something that every family can relate to when it comes to elections and trying to decide what side you're going to vote on. when you look at these real world issues that truly impact you and your families, you think about the fact that perhaps your family is created by ivf. it's something that impacts voters, and i think it's going to have a massive, massive effect on the election, just like the overturning of roe had a massive effect on the midterms. >> adrian, i'm so glad you brought your own personal situation, because so many women right now, because of science, have the options to bring a family into the world, to have life in their lives, and to create life.

and it's being tonight. this is not like some faraway thing that sort of maybe somebody is dealing with. it's all of us, and it's also sending women back decades. literally, decades. when you want to be a part of the society, who want to work, who want to have families, who maybe want to have families later in life, we talk about this a lot. this is a complete setback in every way, at the hands of donald trump. >> this is about creating life, pure and simple. not democratic progressive life, just life. and the party of life, you think you'd support that. but one of the alabama senators appears to be confused about these issues, and i bet you can guess that which one. on the sidelines of the right- wing cpac conference yesterday, republican tommy tuberville reversed his position several times and less than two minutes, where our colleague dasha burns asked him about the ruling in alabama.

>> do you have a reaction to the alabama supreme court ruling, on the fact that embryos are children? >> yes, i'm all for it. you've just got to look at everything going on in your country, except this attack on families, attack on kills, anything we can do for the future where -- we need to have more chance. we need to have the opportunity to do that, and i thought this was the right thing to do. >> but ivf is used to have more children, and right now ivf services are being paused in some of the clinics in alabama. are you concerned this might impact people that are trying to have kids? >> that's for a another conversation. i think the right now is that you go for the situation and kind of work it out to where it's best for everybody. that's what the whole abortion issue is about. >> this ruling isn't about abortion, it's about ivf and the concern that now families might not have access to it. >> but it's the same direction. but i agree, people need to have access. people need to have access. we need more kids, we need more people to have the opportunity

to have kids. i would have to look at the entire bill, i have not seen it. >> it's a supreme court decision. >> i know that, but i haven't looked at it. but it's a state issue. >> women aren't going to able to have ivf. what do you say to them? >> that's unfortunate. unfortunate. >> is that going to alienate some voters in the general election? >> i don't know, it might some. but you don't hear a lot of talk about it. that's not a big conversation. >> it's a conversation now, and ivf is not a democrat or republican issue. families across the board use it. what's your message to the supreme court if this does in fact stop families from being able to use ivf? >> we don't need it. >> wow, joe. we need more kids, we need more kids. ivf gives the gift and the miracle of children to people who otherwise couldn't have it. obviously no command of the issue, he's talking about a bill, he hasn't run the, bill but there's no bill.

this is a supreme court ruling in the state of alabama. totally twisted in knots there, as many republicans have been in the last few days. >> in his state, by the way. it's in his state. it's not like dasha, you did a great job. it wasn't like dasha was asking about what happened in the idaho legislature. and the nevada legislator. >> he clearly doesn't know what ivf is. >> or in the oregon supreme court. he has no idea, and, you know, it would be kind of like forrest gump if he got the ball and just ran in circles. he was just -- he was just running in circles. he is getting dizzy, he was for it, he was for ivf, he was for it, but he needed to read the bill. it's not a bill. it's your state supreme court, yours state supreme court. not a bill. and this is just another great

example. the republicans message, think about it. donald trump, yesterday, bragged about terminating abortion. he bragged about terminating the right, a 50 year right, in front of a christian group, at the same time he is leaking to the new york times for a 16- week ban. at the same time, and then you have poor tommy tuberville, poor tommy, running around in circles, going i'm for the ruling that bans ivf, for that, ruling yes, it's good. it's unfortunate, it's unfortunate that women and families can't use ivf. it's unfortunate. i'm for it, i'm against, it i need the bill and court case, nobody's talking about, it it just happens. >> it's the guy who stopped promotions in the military. >> it just happened. this is such a nightmare for

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>> our next guest is really the face of the fight for women's health care. this woman is suing texas over its strict anti abortion laws. and it's says now she's going to move her frozen embryos out of the state, over fears texas could soon stop providing in pedro realization treatments like we are seeing happening in alabama. amanda zurawski almost died in august of 2022 after doctors refused to give her an abortion. she had been suffering complications while 18 weeks pregnant. eventually, she showed signs of a life-threatening infection, and doctors finally performed

the procedure. well amanda survived, she says the infection and the lack of treatment that she got left lasting damage to her fallopian tubes. now, she and her husband have turned to in vitro fertilization in an attempt to start a family, and amanda joins us now. amanda, i am so sorry. i'm so sorry this is happening to you, and to so many women across the country. can you first tell us a little bit more about the experience that led you then to turn yourself to in vitro? >> absolutely. thank you for having me, first and foremost, and for shedding light on this topic. i think it's really important to so many people. so, what happened to me as a result of the abortion bans in texas directly impacted my fertility. and after i recovered, after i survived, my husband and i were

advised to go straight to ivf, in order to try to conceive and grow our family. which we are so desperate to have. and it took several rounds of ivf before we created a number of embryos that now, with this ruling in alabama, i fear that because of the ability that texas has to potentially pass something similar, i fear for the safety of my future and my embryos. and so we are getting them out of here. >> so, if you are able to get them out of here, i'm hoping you will still be able to pursue your fight, really, to have a family. but what do you say to officials in alabama to the supreme court ruling -- i'm sorry, the state supreme court ruling in alabama, and now you

know this will take over and spread to other states. that embryos are children, and it makes no sense, because what will alabama do with all of those embryos? how far do you think this will go, and what do you think this is doing to women in america overall? >> that is my greatest fear, is that we don't know how far this is going to go. the slope here is so slippery, and it's so steep, and it's terrifying. if you are fortunate enough to have little to no experience with ivf, you don't know the layers of fear that are now compounding our ability to have a family. and this happened in alabama, and depending on what happens in november, this could be a nationwide situation. trump has already said that he supports a nationwide abortion ban, and this is his fault,

because he very proudly touts the fact that he overturned roe v. wade, and because of the supreme court justices that he appointed, and the fall of roe, it now states that they have the ability to pass these draconian laws, and we have no idea how far it's going to go, and that is what's absolutely terrifying. >> amanda, you almost died because you couldn't get the termination that you needed during your pregnancy. when that was causing you amends pain, and threatening your life. and now in the ivf journey, can you explain to those like tommy tuberville who doesn't seem to know what ivf is, the stress, the waiting, the process, the pain of ivf. of that journey. of what it's like without these bands, now, that are hitting states like alabama. >> thank you for asking about. any person who has been through

ivf will tell you, it is one of the most grueling, most difficult things a person can go through. not just physically, but emotionally, psychologically, there is so much anxiety, there is so much unknown. there's so much fear, and now these laws that are now in effect in alabama and could spread across the country thanks to trump, it just adds another layer of fear. and your already going through the most grueling thing imaginable, and now we have to worry about the safety of our embryos, we have to worry about whether we can be held liable if something goes on, and by the way, the process of ivf is extremely precise and extremely intricate, but there are lots of scenarios with it where things can go wrong. and that's just the nature of the process. so if something goes wrong, am i now going to be held liable for wrongful death because

science didn't fall in my favor? the fear is just massive. >> ivf alone, you're dealing with the constant stress of the odds, the shots, the appointments, the changes in your body, the hope your body will perform. the hope the procedure will perform, the hope the numbers will land in your direction, the waiting, the constant, waiting and hoping. and i'm wondering if you could answer this question, it's so hard, it's so grueling, as you say. why do you do it? >> because we want a family. we want kids more than anything. and it's something that i feel very fortunate that ivf was an option for my husband and i, and it is something we can still pursue. but now i'm living in constant fear that that choice is going to be taken away from me. >> coming up next, it's been two years since the war in ukraine started. we will talk to a member of the

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there are two coasts, nearly 80 years of preventing a continental war in europe relies on the strength of the american coast, and now we see that the european coast can also be the force that prevents chaos. >> let's bring in ranking member of the house intelligence committee, democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut. he was in munich last weekend and met personally with president zelenskyy. congressman, thanks for being with us. what did you hear from president zelenskyy about the urgency of this aid package, which you know all too well has been held up in the house of representatives? >> yeah, and we heard zelenskyy and his people say this is a turning point in the war. if we are cut off from u.s. aid, we will slowly lose this war. and he gave example after example, and no surprise there. what was a surprise was it was

honestly very hard, is the juxtaposition of an example of precisely how murderous vladimir putin's, with his widow, literally, two hours after she learned that her husband had been killed in an arctic prison, addressing munich, and then coming to meet with us. the fortitude was unbelievable, but the demonstration of putin's murderous-ness, along with just the sheer hypocrisy of my republican colleagues, who listened to zelenskyy and said we are going to work so hard to get this done, we are going to work so hard to get this done. and then you say to them, are you willing to, for example, sign a discharge position, which is one of the ways that we could get ukraine aid to the four, and they said that would create also it's of problems for me in my primary. and then you have j.b. vance running around, pretending as the providing aid to ukraine and sending that signal to putin and sending that signal to china, that somehow that is not affordable to the united states. 60 billion dollars being more or less a rounding error in our

defense bill, which was a really hard couple of days. >> congressman, as you just pointed out, in what you just said, ukraine has its back against the wall right now. this is a really perilous point in terms of ukraine's survival. wall street journal lead editorial this morning is about the fact that there are 300 billion dollars in russian reserves being held in western financial institutions. what about the idea, the concept, the degree of difficulty in seizing those assets, and spending that money in ukraine? >> i think that will ultimately be the answer, and that conversation came up a lot. and by the way, it's a little hard for americans to go to munich with the daines emptying out their military inventories, with the eu stepping up much larger than the united states is stepping up. it's hard to look at europeans in the eye and say you guys are holding that money, you have to hand it over. they look at us and say you need to be doing the work of vladimir putin. but where the europeans are

right now is that they have decided they can pay the interest on the money, that's about 45 billion dollars a year, to the ukrainians. but they are not there yet with respect to turning over the principle. i think at the end of the day, when all is said and done, that will be the answer. but the argument the europeans make is that this is a fight between countries that believe in the rule of law, and vladimir putin, who absorbs no law. so it's that we have to be particularly careful about observing the law, and they're not wrong about that. i said that before, who doesn't have any credibility at that table is the country that can't seem to get out of its own way and provide a tiny amount of aid that would make all the difference to the ukrainians. >> congressman, steve rattner was i on earlier, we are talking about eight ukraine, how much we spent, you have donald trump going around line talking about how they're not doing their share and big countries saying we are not going to do or 2%, we are not going to do our share. steve rattner pointed out to us

a couple of fascinating facts. when it comes to percentage of our gdp, the united states funding for ukraine is a 0.3%, 0.3%. that ranks us, are you ready? are you ready from the allies? that ranks us number 31, in terms of how big supplies you -- were given to the ukrainians. so 31, we ranked 31. and then the thing that for the j.d. vance are,'s saying we have to spend the money here in the u.s., we don't have to be spending the money out there, that's a lie too, because as rattner says, about two thirds of that 61 billion dollars, about two thirds of it goes to u.s. companies. goes to u.s. suppliers. two thirds. two thirds of that money, of

that bill, goes to american companies. and so, again, there are lies fall flat. whether it's donald trump lying about other countries not doing their part, or senators and house members, republicans lying about the fact this is a giveaway to europe. it's just not. >> yeah, and remember, joe, you're right about that. on a relative basis, we're pretty squishy, compared to the europeans. compared to the size of our economy, compared to per capita donations. the other thing that i've been dealing with for weeks, if not months, is this argument, and every republican says that. which is that we need to secure our border. and until we secure our border first, we shouldn't be worried about the ukrainian border. that's their talking point. well guess what? this whole idea that we can't do both at once. we are a country that runs the medicare program, a medicaid program, a space program, a foreign aid program, we're helping the taiwanese, we're doing 1000 things around the world. and yet the republicans have

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>> the democratic governors association has created a 5 million dollar fund called the power to appoint. it's aimed at reminding voters that governors have the power to select judges who will uphold the rule of the law. this year's fund is focused on given a torino races and two key battleground states. new hampshire and north carolina. and joining us now, democratic governor of minnesota, tim walz. he's the chair of the democratic governors association. thank you so much for coming on this morning. i'm assuming this ruling will drive the message home, exactly the message of the power to

appoint. >> exactly, thank you for the segue. you're exactly right. this is what this is about. when you have judges with outrageous decisions like we saw in alabama, and look. every guest who comes on here, my wife gwen and i are going to add our voice to, this thanks to the reproductive care that we are able to get it mayo clinic. and this stems from the ability of governors in dozens of states two point judges. not democratic judges, but judges who have -- we wouldn't be having this decision. we would be having people, as you said, mika, to access health care as they should without interference from government. so we have the democratic governors association are reminding people in minnesota by the end of this year, i will have appointed four of the seven supreme court justices. people who work with the rule of law. and that will impact because minnesota is an island of reproductive access in states around us that have chosen not to go that way. so it is the absolute, and i

echo what your panel said. this is going to be one of the major issues, as it should be. this is the most basic freedom issue to make your own bodily autonomy choices. and democratic governors are there to defend it. >> it's more than choices of your own body, but you have access to options for health. we are seeing across the country, women in unbelievably life threatening, precarious situations, because doctors and now in certain areas are not allowed to perform abortions. terminations, dnc's. and the traveling to get there, so what is it, what else can state governors do to help women in these situations? >> i think in minnesota, the first thing we did after -- i signed into law the pro-act, the protecting reproductive options act. and then we work with our nonprofits across the board to make sure, look, you're in this

situation, it's a health care decision, mika, you're exactly right. it's life or death, and now you have to travel across the state of south dakota or north dakota to get across a river, literally. we moved the clinic from fargo to moorhead, minnesota, and it's the difference between life and death and 100 meters. and those are the types of things that states need to shore up. we're seeing states across the country, voices like gretchen whitmer, folks making sure that this issue is front and center, because this supreme court decision that you are speaking about on mifepristone is going to be catastrophic if it rules the way it is. so we are stressing it, the buildup the firewalls in states. build up the ability to push back on this. make sure we are appointing judges who follow the rule of law, and that's one way that we can do it. but look, we're in danger of all of us being alabama. because donald trump has made it very clear the direction he's going, so for those out there who are wondering where

they're going to vote, top tier wives, talk to your daughters. top tier physicians. that's all i can say. >> governor, this effort by the democratic governors association to find and appoint more judges who adhere to the rule of law, what happens in states where judges are elected, and how many states do have judges who are elected? >> i believe 25 that we have the power to appoint. what you see is when you have a democratic governor who uses the platform to educate folks, we see the -- follows the rule of law in wisconsin, and we got rid of gerrymandering and have a free district because of 20 ever's work. so i think one of the things we can do, if you're not directly appointing, this is an education campaign. to understand this. when i ran for governor, i theoretically understood i'd be appointing judges. i'm now convinced that the lasting impact i will probably make on the state of minnesota is putting in jurors who follow

the rule of law, who are respected, and you make decisions based on precedent, science, and the best decisions they can make. so i think one of the things is this campaign is that states that can't appoint, we all do education campaigns and talk about how this is going to impact them. >> chair of the democratic governors association, minnesota governor tim walz, thank you very much for what you are doing, and thank you for being on the show this morning. we appreciate you. >> up next, just over a week after his death, we will talk about russian opposition leader alexei navalny is incredible life and legacy. don't go anywhere.

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on saturday, when she traveled to the morgue where his body was allegedly taken. afterwards, she filed a lawsuit in russian court asking officials to release the body. however, the russian court ruled to not even take up the lawsuit for consideration until march 4th. until then, russian officials told navalny's mother his body will undergo chemical investigation. let's be clear, the longer they hold the body, it allows any chemical that was in it to disappear. so they're probably buying time, who knows. let's bring in someone who might, david -- overseeing coverage of russia's war and ukraine. he also spent the last decade covering alexei navalny and his new book is entitled the dissidents, alexei navalny, profile of a political prisoner. and i'd like to begin, of

course, with what your thoughts are and what your thoughts are now in light of his death. >> sadly, it's now an obituary of a political prisoner. first thought for many people was that this was predictable, in a sense that navalny himself predicted this was a possibility. when you step back, it's just not okay. a man has been killed because he wanted democracy and freedom for his country. and it's just amazing that we sort of normalize this, and say, well, he was poking the bear, as he used to say, with a sharp stick. taking on putin, taking on all the corruption in russia. that's something that journalists, advocates do all the time in free, democratic countries. and he's paid for that now with his life. >> i want to ask you about julia stepping in, but first, what are you hearing from the contacts and sources that you've spoken to for this book

about the reverberations in russia, to the news of his death or murder? >> you describe the almost kafkaesque crusade his mother is on to get his body back. nothing suspicious at all, someone who has supposedly died of natural causes and now the body won't be released until two weeks, at least. there are some indications that depending on what might have happened to him, there could still be traces even after two weeks time. we know his team is investigating this right now. but sadly, as we know, in this really impressive wartime context in russia, the russian political opposition is either exiled, jails, or like navalny, dead. so within russia, it certainly sends a -- among those who are still in prison. -- one of navalny's close associates, going back many years. there are quite a few others, and there's a realization, of

course, that their lives are very much in danger. that they aren't safe. but also, looking outside the country, much in the opposition operating in exile, and we've just seen a russian defector killed, apparently, in spain. putin's reach goes much further than his own borders. >> david, let's talk about vladimir putin for a moment, then. this is someone who wasn't that long ago, seemed like maybe his grip on power had weekend somewhat. prigozhin got within 100 miles of moscow, and navalny was rallying his supporters from prison. that's all changed right now, i know he's got momentum on the battlefield to. what do you think these next few years look like for russia without navalny? >> this is a very dangerous time. not just for europe, but for the west. prigozhin, of course, is dead. one time known as putin's chef, let's not make too many comparisons between somebody who is very much a product of the putin system and navalny, who spent his life crusading against it. but putin definitely is feeling

emboldened. here he's flying a military bomber, potentially, today. there's no question, we live in a very dangerous age. one columnist for the washington post -- can -- an american presidents -- who apparently ordered that killing. you see more and more brazen acts taking place every day. >> with that, i wonder about alexei navalny's wife, and what your thoughts are on how she moves forward in his name? >> with a russian journalist who acted as a kind of political godmother will often say, and she tweeted about this this week, that navalny as a politician wasn't one person. he was too. alexey, and yulia. in many ways this is a natural step, given that she's been his closest confidant and adviser,

editing everything he wrote, prolific braga, social media mason, helping to craft his image. there's no question this is just the most awful fears of hers and her family being realized. she put out a post today of her and her daughter darria, saying they are supporting each other. so she has announced that she's going to step up and take the baton, take up the cause against putin, and for freedom in russia. and we are already seeing some concern on the part of the kremlin. they're trying right to smear her, i'm not going to repeat the things they're starting to say. but clearly there's an initial effort underway already to raise doubts about her. he's in a jerry front position, appearing from outside the country. navalny never wanted to be dissident in exile, he made that decision bravely to go back, some say senselessly, to go back and fight putin. but yulia appears to be ready to take up that cause, and continuing his quest. >> the book is the dissident, alexei navalny, profile of a political prisoner.

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>> the interim president of harvard university is condemning what he calls, quote, flagrantly antisemitic cartoons, which were shared on social media by to pro palestinian student groups. and even a faculty group last

week, we are not going to show it here, but the drawing to picks a black man and an arab man with nooses around their necks, which are being held by a hand and printed with the star of david on it, with $1 sign in the middle. the drawing prompted backlash from many anti hate groups, and even some members of congress. >> jonathan greenblatt -- earlier this week they released the 2023 report on murder and extremism and -- i want to focus on colleges right now. we can blame it on tiktok, you can blame it on the extreme left wing presidents. whatever it is, the hatred for jews on american college campuses, especially elite college campuses, is skyrocketed, and incidences of antisemitism have shot up 900% in the last year. there is so much hate for jews

on college campus, i hear about it every day. jonathan, when are administrators going to take charge? >> it's really pretty stunning, joe. here, today, after having spent last night at brown university in providence, rhode island, brown is an ivy league school. one of the most prestigious universities in the united states. and i was invited to give a talk to bring the whole community together, and i started my talk, about halfway through, literally, half the audience, without provocation, i didn't say anything hostile, they literally stood up and walked out. now mind you, they had reserved those seats. they had taken those seats from other students who wanted to hear me. it's a kind of hecklers veto, where they will try to stop my speech and prevent others from

hearing, if they had stuck around, of course, they would've heard me say that we are opposed to antisemitism and anti-muslim hate. they would've heard me say we need a two-state solution. they would've heard me deplore the shooting of a palestinian american students in vermont last december. but here's the thing. it's happened to me at vanderbilt, it's happened to me at texas christian. it's happened to me now at brown. the level of and miss directed against jewish speakers, the level of hatred directed at people who support the state of israel, is through the roof. look at these numbers. imagine if we were another group of people, if we were black students, or lgbtq students. we've been targeted, and the increase had gone up 100 percent. this isn't normal, and as your showing in at this graphic, the 900% increase against jewish college students is against a broader backdrop, where antisemitism is not just rising, it's intensifying.

did your jewish students tell me that they are changing their names in their uber profiles, because they're afraid of the drivers understanding that they are jews. or they are hiding their jewish stars around their neck, or they're -- thinking about this. in an era where we celebrate diversity, jews are hiding in the closet. they are retreating into the shadows. that is unacceptable by any standard. it's not just antisemitic, it's anti-american, to deny and to denigrate people based on their ethnicity or faith. >> that does it for the sunday edition of morning joe: weekend.