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welcome back to the weekend, everyone. time is running out on capitol hill for congress to prevent the first wave of a government shutdown that will be coming this friday march 1st if the house does not pass bills. to be clear, the house won't even -- till wednesday. two sources tell nbc news that mike johnson told republicans on a conference call that the house would vote for separate appropriation bills in the coming days. they may need a stopgap funding bill to allow lawmakers more time to actually pass the funding. no republican announcement could come as soon as tonight. joining us to unpack it all, axios politics reporter, eugene scott. welcome, eugene. at one point, mike johnson and republican leadership of the house had said that they might not bring members back, just have them on call until they have a deal. hearing that, lots of consternation a rose. now we know members are coming back. will they be able to pass

appropriation bills? this is been a struggle to pass one appropriation bill for this republican majority. >> i think it's highly unlikely. if they do, it will be surprising. as for a few reasons. one, we know that republicans in congress have different priorities based on their worldview, their values, their constituents. it has been difficult for mike johnson, just like those who came before, him to get them on the same page. getting everyone on the same page, by friday, that's its own ask. >> how do you see the senate? we know budgets and all that, but it is mcconnell, for schumer, and the democrats, are they trying to weigh, in or are they sort of sitting back and waiting to see what the house is going to do? i would think that there would be some pressure within the system to not do a shutdown. even though you do have members of the republican caucus who very much wants a shutdown. >> schumer another leading democrats have been very vocal

about how this will hurt, obviously, so many americans. i think republican lawmakers, including mcconnell, are trying to communicate to republican lawmakers that this is how a lot of the people send you to washington, to actually fund the government. but they're not that message is going to get through two enough republicans in the house, we don't know yet. >> what are those paint points? we have gone through so many of these government shutdowns, it is almost hard to keep track of them. i fear an element of normalcy begins to gets moved, and of course are on the brink of a government shutdown yet again. in this case, given the timing of this, you have the irs chief saying that a government shutdown would likely disrupt everyone's favorite time of year, u.s. tax filing season. noting that, yes, and experience shut down before the timing of this one is especially delicate. it wouldn't be affected by the shutdown until the second wave on march 8th. i think that that is where the

rubber hits the road. it's where all of a sudden, services that people rely on or interact with our disrupted's. then it becomes real to people, it becomes real to me. >> social security. >> yes, of course. this is real implications. >> i don't think people realize how many services will be affected. and i age, cdc, programs at the eighth department of education, agriculture. different does look different, but there are millions of federal workers who will be furloughed, who will not be able to do their jobs. that will slow down the process for everything, even some of the, you know, programs in offices that remain open, like the post, office will be operating at the bare minimum. we don't need the post office slow down anymore. what people are going to see, it's just how essential government services are to them if this happens. some of those people are people who, you, know say they want republicans to make big cuts to government, what that actually looks like, that has real

implications. >> go ahead. >> i was going to ask you the shifting views -- on impeachment efforts. so, i'll share with you. i'll start, she will finish. so house republicans have gotten themselves all worked up into a nice frothy ladder, right? they're going, out trying to take out my norges, china take out biden. it is not going that well. >> the dreams of impeach a president joe biden seem to be fading by the minutes. we must always underscore that this is not normal. there is really been five presidents in the history of our nation which and impeachment acquiring as been open about. joe biden was the fifth. mayorkas says the second cabinet member ever, the history of the united states congress during peach -- mint >> none of this rises -- >> there is no proof.

i just, what are republicans on the hill saying? i think specifically about 18 republicans, they represent districts that joe biden won in 2020. >> he's fading. >> without question. at best, i think republicans realize, you, know this is going to happen. in the senate. so they were hoping for a headline that they could really lean into, that conservative media could amplify. that could distract voters from other issues that, you know, we see happening on capitol hill. that's not happening right now. the reality is, people want to know if they'll be able to get the services they need, and they want to know whether or not y'all are going to keep folks in on this impeachment, because we know it's not coming from a credible source, and there is emphasis on the presidential election, and whether or not someone facing as many charges as he is

-- [silence] >> [inaudible] and then they find out that their star witness, the person they were relying on, is potentially republican operative. >> a russian operative. >> thank you. >> these days, there's not too much of a difference between the two. >> jim clyburn, who was with, us he was with us yesterday, he referred to the republicans on capitol hill as the gop, the groupies of putin. i, i mean, jim clyburn is not someone who speaks and hyperbole. the fact that that's where he is, just last week, you had former speaker pelosi speculating, like i don't know what putin has on donald trump. this is a very different place we seem to be in this

republican party on capitol hill. >> it is. we had intelligence last year that didn't get a lot of attention. it said that russia is trying to interfere with this election. you know, republicans have been very vocal since 2020 trying to make the point that that whole idea was exaggerated. it's not. it just looks very different. previously, last month, i wrote about how they're using a.i. to try to interfere in this election. i think we're going to see more of that as we move closer to the election. what stands as republicans taking on it? ever going to look at what they've said so far, we should not have any confidence that they'll be aggressive. >> i want to expand on that idea of what the election looks like for republicans because with such a narrow majority, 18 seats held by districts that biden won. what is your reporting five dane among the members? the conversation among the members about, okay, this time

next year, we may not have the majority here. is that palpable enough for them now? recognizing that poise the both alicia and symone have raised between ivf and impeachment, and all these other things. they have positioned themselves out of contention, the whole house. >> there is wariness about that, there have been for a while, we know abortion before the 2023 elections, and the 2022 midterms was not popular. that's something that hurt republicans, even though we haven't seen republicans back away from it, they appear to be leading into it in some places in terms, of you know reproductive rights. also, that new york congressional race was a real wake up call, it was a seat that republicans had that mike johnson went up to keep. they had a candidate that they felt could really bring people outside of their base, women of color, you know, someone who -- >> in immigrants. >> who is, just quite frankly, like a straight white male, which is what we see a lot in

the republican party. it's not to getting people on, board and nothing they've been doing since then has convinced many of those lawmakers in those districts that biden won that the party is trying to move into direction to keep the majority they have. >> it's going to be a doozy. i want you to stick around, we've got another -- eugene scott, really appreciate it, ahead will continue the conversation about republicans villain peach minutes against president biden. former cia director, john brennan, joins the table talk about the former fbi informant charged with lying about the bidens. you are watching the weekend. b you are watching the weekend. p. their solution for us? a private 5g network. (ella) we now get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. our customers get what they want, when they want it. (jen) now we're even smarter and ready for what's next. (vo) achieve enterprise intelligence. it's your vision, it's your verizon.

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>> tomorrow, alexander smirnoff has a contention here in california, the former fbi informant was charged with lying to the feds about an alleged bribery scheme involving president biden and his son hunter. smirnoff statements were at the heart of a house republican of four to impeach the president, as we've seen. smirnoff, on the other hand, was arrested again last week amid growing fears that he tried to flee the country. adding to the, mass murdaugh off now claims he was given information by russian intelligence. telling federal investigators, officials associated with

russian intelligence were involved in passing historic -- about hunter biden. yet, house republicans eagerly repeated those claims. joining us now is former cia director, john brennan. he's an msnbc national security and intel analysts, and the author of on daunte, my fight against americas enemies at home and abroad. welcome, mister director. a pleasure to have you here. go ahead. simone has been sean bayne. >> because, director brennan, there are a lot of people ask again, did jim comer, did james comer or jim jordan know about the russian piece of this? they know that this fbi informant was potentially lying. does it matter if they knew. >> i think it's unclear whether they knew or not. quite frankly. based on what i've seen, they really don't care if these things are true or not. they will just try to use them

to advance their difference, to undermine the integrity of president biden, as well as to advance their impeachment process. so therefore, they seized upon something that was clearly an evaluated information, it was raw. it was obtained by the fbi. director wray initially try to resist provided to the hill. then the pressure increased, and eventually shared that, as is now clear, mr. smirnoff is a serial liar. nothing that he was claiming about principle biden was true. therefore, i think the whole impeachment effort, which was lit racine heavily on that, is really quite questionable. >> i want to continue down that line because i am particularly offended, and really annoyed with the constants nonsense coming from leaders who have the intelligence. these are not folks who are sitting in a closets, unaware of what's going on around them. i want to play for you, you've

got james comer talking, he and jim jordan, talking about this whole situation, if we could take a quick listen to that. >> we never knew who this informant was. all we knew is that it was christopher wray said. now we say that the fbi doesn't make sense, it is not the same treatment that we saw when the fbi figured out that the steele dossier -- >> who knows, maybe this man lied to them? maybe it's all right. i see a pattern that's developing here over the last three presidential elections. >> maybe it was this. i didn't know about that. i mean, it's just, the sheer incompetence behinds what we see these members, who are sitting on important committees that have this information, what is the impact inside of the various agencies, or intel agencies when they see members taking intelligence and using it this way? >> well i think it's very much

appalling to my former colleagues who work so hard to try to protect our countries security. we have republican lawmakers who are using things like this as a way to attack presidents. quite unfairly. also, i think my colleagues are concerned that the russians see the republican lawmakers as tools. they are so willing to accept anything, and russians use information operations very effectively. i have no doubt at all that they're going to continue to use that in this presidential election. the fact that comer and jordan, and others, willingly accept these things, and they don't care whether it's true or not. as long as it salacious, as long as it's something they can use, this is something that i think the russians recognize is ready for their exploitation. >> we heard something very similar from congressman gerry raskin. i want to take a listen to what he said, we'll talk about it on the other side. >> yes it is revelations

demonstrate that there is a pattern of interference in destabilization of four democratic elections around the world. this is continue to this very day. and this impeachment investigation is nothing but a wild goose chase that is based on a russian disinformation. >> this is about injecting an element of chaos. we know from the mueller report, 2016, there were signs of russian interference. 2020, reports of russian interference in elections. as we approach 2024, we have to presume that there will be similar efforts. do you feel that this -- are prepared for the possibility of that type of turbulence? what are they doing right now? >> i think they're trying to uncover the things they're trying to do. the information operations takes place, it could be a commission, it could be fabricated information that is provided to human sources like mr. smirnoff. it can be allowing the dissemination of information that is going to advance their interests in terms of things that they want to help donald trump do in terms of his

campaign. also things to smear joe biden. so their information operation is fabrication, dissemination, propagation. it is trying to influence the attitudes of the views. therefore, republican lawbreakers wearable to take this and use it in their efforts. i think it demonstrates to the russians that they could continue on this line. >> this is very serious. i think a lot of times people, i soon as i heard the story about smirnoff, and the revelations, and the fbi had charged timberline, and then the russian components, i was shot. then you look at the papers, you look at social media, you turn on some cable news shows, and you just have folks, say here go the democrats again, scream in russia, russia, russia. this is a attempt, potentially, if it is true, that the russians spreading disinformation, this is yet another attempt of a foreign government, a hostile foreign

governments, attempting to meddle in, not just our elections, but truly try to take down the american presidents. >> to elevate the discords. >> let's layer in the fact that this past week, we had been reckoning with the death of alexander navalny, and there has been a global conversation among leaders about the u.s.'s role, and the most immediate to do on the list is to pass supplemental funding for ukraine. you can't get republicans to do the most basic thing, and use the most basic tool they have to stand up and say, we stand on the side of democracy against autocracy. they are unwilling to have that basic function. >> yes. it is so appalling that there is growing sympathy within the republican party that among the maga base, for mr. putin and russia, i'm sure ronald reagan is rolling over to his grave right now because the sentiments, which is give putin the benefit of the doubt on these issues, is clearly the death of navalny, who -- what's

happening in ukraine is just demonstrating how much, how aggressive russia is going to be to try to go against its neighbors, as well as the west. they're also, their involvement in the election coming up is going to really be an effort by them to be able to bring mr. trump back into the white house, because clearly, mr. trump's very sympathetic to mr. putin, he's intimidated, he's cowed. >> he hasn't called him out on navalny yet. >> and the fact that there are so many republicans in congress, both in the senate and the house that kowtow to mr. trump, and continue to allow russia to get away with what it has, is something that is so consistent with what the republican party has stood for for so many years, but also, it is so against what our national security demands. for us to be able to stand with our allies, nato partners, and others, to be able to risk, resist these russian efforts to continue to undermine western democracies. >> you laid out efforts by the russians, disinformation, et cetera, what is the counter

point to that? from our standpoint. we know the incoming, what are we doing to deal with that, to address that, whether it is a, and forming up the leadership in our government so that they are aware, they can do what they need to do, make budget legislation, et cetera, or more tactically, cia, and say, et cetera, all the other acronyms that are for this work. how do they counter measure? >> first of, all they're trying to make sure the from a technical standpoint, the russians aren't able to do what they did twice, which is hack into the democratic national committee servers, as well as the -- steel, emails and put them in selectively. so the department of homeland security, and the fbi, cia, and, others are trying to harden our system so the russians can't do that. also, it's very difficult for a country that prides itself on freedom of speech to be able to stop a lot of those lies that

go out. it's nothing, it's not because a lot of put on a lie. the russians realize this. the republicans are taking full advantage of this, that's why when they see things coming up from comer, in jordan, and others, even speaker johnson, i mean, they don't care about the honesty in the truthfulness of these things. they just want to push out whatever they'll be able to advance the partisan agendas. unfortunately the russians and others are taking full advantage of that. >> former cia director, john brennan, thank you so much for coming to the table, really appreciate it. alabama lawmakers are scrambling to protect ivf treatment after a court ruled that embryos have the same rights as little children. next, the chair white house policy cold soul joins the table to discuss the biden administration's response. this is the week anonymous nbc. administration's response. this is the week anonymous nbc.

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on the one hand, these components are suggesting that an individual and a woman does not have the right to and an unwanted pregnancy. on the other hands, does not have the right to become pregnant at that is her choice, her desire, her dream. >> that is vice president kamala harris on the album rulli that declared embryos have the same rights as living children. she joins president biden expressing outrage at the fact that doctors who provide in vitro fertilization now face wrongful death lawsuits. according to nbc news, the white house is discussing legal and political options to protect the procedure nationwide. and chair of the gender policy culture for the white house, jennifer klein, joins us now. >> thank you for being here, jennifer. what are some of those legal and political options? from our nbc news reporting, our colleague allie raffa notes that there are discussions happening, but there is caution within the white house, and i

think formal is that side the white house, that the executive action that the president could take is limited as it relates to ivf. >> i would say that the president has been quite clear, the vice president has been quite clear. i, sadly, have been quite clear since the day the dobbs decision came down. a fundamental constitutional rights was taken away from american women, from american people, and what we are seen across the country, most recently the action that the alabama supreme court has taken, is a direct consequence of that. we've also been quite clear that the only way to restore the protection that people lived with for nearly 50 years under roe is a federal law that would restore those protections. that is what we've been fighting for, and we will continue to fight for. absolutely, there are things the administration can and has done already, the presidents issued three executive orders, and a presidential memorandum to protect access to abortion

and contraception, to protect patients privacy, to protect the right to travel, and we will, and to protect, for example, the right to medication abortion, which, as you, know is more than 50% of abortions in this country. we will continue to look for ways to protect access, and to protect women's health. to protect women's access to emergency health, you know, the list goes on. you can't imagine what's happening across the country, the devastating consequences that have, you know, not surprisingly, but followed from the overturning of the supreme court decision in roe v. wade. we will take whatever action we can, but we think it's important to keep in mind that the most important thing we need to, do we have to do, is to pass a federal law in which the president has been quite clear he will sign, to restore the fundamental protections

that existed for nearly 50 years under roe v. wade. >> this -- during the confirmation hearing, she was repeatedly pressed on this point. take a listen to what she said it will talk about it. >> it's a legal position, ivf, treatment, criminalizing it, would it be constitutional? >> i've repeatedly said, as has every other nominee that has sat in the sea, that we can't answer questions and the abstract. that would need to be decided in the course of the judicial process. >> we are potentially no longer talking about this question in the abstract. >> absolutely. i think you need to look at peoples actions, you, know the republicans in alabama and across the country are sort of scrambling right now to fix this problem, while, if we had roe v. wade, we wouldn't be trying to fix this problem. if we had federal legislation that guarantee the right to abortion across the country, we wouldn't have to fix this problem.

and i think, what you see is that the vast majority of people, republicans included, support the rights to in vitro fertilization. take a step back, right? women in this country are being denied access to emergency rooms. when they're in the middle of having an emergency, whether that's, whether that's because they need an abortion after having a miscarriage, or, they're being turned away. they're being forced to travel to other states to seek legal medical care. >> you know how women who warship in the frozen embryos to other states because they're afraid that what happened in alabama is going to happen in their states. >> that's exactly right. now, we're facing alabama and, as you just said, women and other states across the country are also incredibly nervous. what just happened in alabama is that fertility clinics are now closed. you, know their unsure what to do. this is, you know, these are people who are, who desperately

want a family, who desperately want a child, and now are unsure of if that is legal to do in their states. >> i want to get to the politics of this because you're a policy person, your kind of looking at the impacts of public policy on the lives of men and women around the country. especially with respect to gender. there is a political element here that is support for the administration to consider. given, to alicia's, point that women are now being put in positions to make draconian decisions about their own health, do i take the plus and drive 100 miles to get health care? do i move my embryos to another state to protect them? what is the thing again of the white house, as they get ready to gauge on this issue politically? in this election. to sort of frame these

narratives that both alicia has set out on this table, there are real life stories for women. my experience in conversations since dobbs, and i think this is something that a lot of white republican men need to get their heads around, there are a lot of republican women who do not stand with them on this issue. a lot of, you know, self proclaimed pro-life when it don't stand with them, in fact, we have polling which we discuss that shows that 83% of evangelicals do not support this ivf position. politically, what is the conversation that the administration wants to have with women, and then, regardless of their position on the broader question. specifically on the impact on health and otherwise. >> i will add to your list of statistics there, that the

majority, the vast majority of americans, men and women, thought that this was, well, was rightly decided. that it shouldn't have been overturned. a strong majority of people, republicans, democrats, independents, believe we should have a federal law protecting the ability of people to make these very personal medical decisions themselves. i would say the problem, what you just said, is people are forced to make these difficult medical decisions. i actually think the problem is the opposite. those decisions are being taken out of their hands and be made for them. that is what our administration, the biden harris administration, is fighting to restore. these are the most personal medical decisions, personal family decisions, the people can make. whether that's to have a, child or not have a child, those are the decisions that should be left to people. i think that what's really interesting across this country is that what people have had the opportunity to make their voices heard, you see ballot initiatives in states as they versus california, michigan,

ohio, kansas, kentucky. you, know the gamut of political -- >> they've succeeded and survived. >> every single one. every single one. >> jen, what is the white house's strategy in terms of convene? the vice president has been at the forefront on this issue. she has won a national tour to fight for our freedom, is what it's called. in aftermath of the dobbs decision, you all invited the folks who are most affected, directly affected by the dobbs decision, from that mississippi, from that clinic, to the white house. are we going to see convenience like that in the coming weeks? as a result of this, in alabama. >> yes, you well. very soon. >> how soon? >> very soon. very soon, symone. what i'll say is that we're going to continue to do what we are doing, and the vice president really has taken the lead on this since the dobbs decision came down. she has been to 20 states, she's met with 250 state

legislators. the president has met with ten governors, you know, just weeks after the dobbs decision came down. those have been really productive working meetings. we are trying to help states figure out what they can do, because they are certainly on the front lines of this. they are trying to help each other. what we've heard from those comedians is that real work, and real progress has come from that. sharon strategy, sharing tactics, literally. so we will continue to do that, and you will see, of, course the vice president will continue her reproductive freedoms tour, but also, you know, more of these roll up your sleeves mediums, as i call them. >> all, right we hope to see the roll up your sleeves meetings very soon. as jen klein told us. jennifer, clyde they keep are coming in today. thank you for helping illuminate what is happening with this issue. ahead, folks, why there is a push to get 10,000 democrats to vote on committed in tuesday's michigan primary.

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israel-hamas war. in michigan, it's home to one of the largest arab american communities in the country. there is an effort underway that folks who are concerned about this policy to votes in protest. yesterday, former texas democrat joined that effort. joining us now is msnbc political contributor, eugene. my man, daniel. c is a white house correspondent for politico, and coauthor of the playbook. >> you are state off the plate, right? >> this is how it looks, right off the plane. >> you look for a set of played at this hour, from -- >> i'm deeply impressed. i have to ask, you what how do you think the last 24 hours have reshuffled the field, if it all? >> not at all. the fundamentals of the primary have not changed for nikki haley, right? we see these general election things, but as far as the primary, nothing. there are huge warning signs that folks should take looking

at the general election. nikki haley has been satan, and they should be seated over and over. he's underperformed in the polls, at every juncture. then, multiple other voters, five primary voters at last night, they said they're not going to vote for him in november. those are things they should be aware of. >> so that's he can't get folks, outfits like him if they had him on the phone, but they're not willing to go to the poll? >> i think when i was scarfing down lunch, i was talking to people, they said that he would they wouldn't vote for, there halle voters. then there are people saying i'm a voting for them, following them to their car, they had a trump sticker. trying to figure out who is his voter, this is the pollsters are having a hard time with. >> the calculation of your question, to keep in mind, the primary process is very different for campaigning in the general process. the one thing the trump team has learned, and they've learned a lot from 2020, and

mourn from 2016, is how to get their vote up. we have to keep in, mind there is a lot of untapped to vote for donald trump in this country that will show up. we saw it between 16 and 20. >> where was he after 20? >> i'm just saying, it's a different dynamic. i take your, point but don't ride that horse because it may have a broken like. it'll catch up with you. you'll fall if you think that, well, he didn't win 20. all i know is 8 million more people voted for him that in 2016. the dynamics, what he's been doing over the past few years in south carolina, you know, that could be an indicator with independents that he is weak in that space. i think the way campaigns look at presidential primaries is different presidential generals. that's my other points in setting this up. that's why michigan -- >> amount ready to let go of

south carolina. >> for michigan, michigan is a hot mess, no doubt. there is a solid business, is the former chair earlier in the club we were talking about that. what are you picking up on the ground? in michigan, relative to democrats, because this is where the table narratively changes. they don't, i don't know what you're thinking but -- >> i don't know if michigan voters aren't necessarily defeated to work said. he saying he supports -- i want to be clear. i'm not discounting him, but i think sometimes it's a little like pants on fire, bed- wetting, and the elevating of beto or work does not dictate what voters of the ground in detroit do. but it is an indication of what is happening in this arm committed move. i haven't been enough campaigns to know that it's, some of

these headlines are aren't reflexive of what's happening on the ground. >> he didn't start this. it better or work was the one who fell off and went to michigan, and had that committed vote on, there he jumped in at the last minute. it's not really about have so much as symone says. it does tell you that there is something happening in michigan that the biden folks should have been pain attention to. the more we talk to the locals, lawmakers, activists, advocates, they say they have been saying to the biden folks in the democratic party, hey, there's something happening here that you should pay attention to. the middle east policy from the white house is putting differently here, for many reasons. it's not just air americans, muslim americans, it's also black americans there. younger voters, and brown voters, in that state, and around the country, who do not see the middle east conflict as a complicated issue. they do not see, they don't really care about the years of

the conflict. they're looking at what's happening now, and they're seeing people, there see brown people been hurt, and they're not seen, they feel like our country's not doing anything about it. we look at the facts -- >> we have sound from, actually,, let's play the sound of some voters that you talk to, specifically, you have to talk to these folks, yasmin, vossoughian, our colleague, spoke to some voters. i think we should listen to what they're saying, you know, to your point, don't discount -- nobody, i'm just saying, okay. that's the headline. >> you cannot keep killing people with our money, and just keep thinking that oh, we're stupid enough to elect you again. you forget, this is it insult to me as a woman. >> the straightforward, simple is there for the biden administration is, push for a cease-fire, stop aiding israel

in their war crimes, and i guarantee you, there are enough people who would be willing to deal with it. >> so you have this dynamic at play, you also have this confusion about michigan's primary convention, in primary on february 27th, a statewide nominating convention on march 2nd. >> there's a lot of confusion about what's going to happen there. it's not going to be as clear on tuesday, how michigan is going to shake out for the democratic party. what those, what i just heard from those voters, that we continue to hear from voters, is if you don't win michigan in november, joe biden, it's not our fault, it's on you. they're trying to push, in a way that, i don't think that we've seen this in a long time, over the last few years, voters are really realizing their power before november. sane, i can tell you i'm going to withhold my vote to get what i want out of you in that white house. whether or not that plays out in november, where there is a clear contrast between donald

trump, and the nominee, and joe biden, do they get scared back to voting for democrats? maybe, maybe not. there's a lot of third-party options. >> eugene daniels, the only person who looks -- straight off a plane. thank you so much for being with us. we have a lot more to discuss. this is the weekend an msnbc. w

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>> block, one, i think that the issue that folks have with the president and the position is that they don't feel like the president, and the white house, has heard, and if you listen to joe biden, when he has been protested, and he is responding to the protesters, you hear what he is saying, it is actually very clear that he has heard them. he is trying to explain what he is doing privately within reason. the president thinks that negotiations with -- whether it's on capitol hill, or, no for the allies, is that you do quiet diplomacy, negotiate with people in private. i won't hate my friends and public. president netanyahu don't negotiate like that. he says he'll do whatever he's going to do. the images coming out of gaza are heroin. what happened to the israeli people on october 7th's got ran shane, and paul in, but these

activists, and protesters, and, you know, voters, there say, hey, i don't like this. they want to be heard. i think that's at the core of this. they have to show their listening. >> this is always bid in issue, not just since joe biden, but when voters feel disconnected, it gives rise to the tea party 2000, nine 2010. it gave rise to -- take the racism out. at the end of the still about people being hurt. and that goes to the court the issue here. voters want to know that their leaders are listening to the things that are consequential, this is for a lot of folks. from the presidents, you know, maybe consider doing a town hall in michigan. sitting down with those voters, having this conversation, listening to what their sane, and understanding exactly what the root of their concerns are. >> coming up at velshi at the top of the, our maryland chris van allen joins ali to discuss

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