that does it for me today. but i'm really looking forward to tomorrow night, because we have an all-star lineup of guests, including the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. certainly no shortage of topics to cover with him at all, as the countdown starts for donald trump's to put up the money to appeal his civil fraud judgment in -- on the eve of the primary day in her state. those two guests and more we are working on are on tap for tomorrow night at eight pm eastern. stay right where you, are there is much more news coming up on msnbc. on msnbc. >> donald trump's big win in

south carolina, explain why it's not such a big deal after. all also, the clock is ticking pain as trump surges to find half a billion dollar bond. can he secure with his deadline looming? plus, what two supreme court justices said about partisan fusion, whether they influence their decisions? a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with new fallout from the south carolina gop primary. nikki haley, heading to michigan today ahead of tuesday's primary there. promising to remain in the race against all odds while donald trump is facing another week of steep legal hurdles. haley in a convincing victory by -- the former president getting nearly 60% of the, vote in the former south carolina governor getting nearly 40% after the early call, defines

from both. >> i just want to say, i have never seen the republican party so unified as it is right now. >> i said earlier this week, no matter what happens in south carolina, i would continue to run for presidents. >> a courting to nbc news exit polls, the most important issue in south carolina's immigration, followed by the economy, foreign policy, and abortion. meanwhile, also new today, governors from california and michigan are pitching joe biden straits of the half of his 2024 prospects. >> i mean, he's got an extraordinary record. he's tried everything he needs to do on ukraine at the moment. he's doing everything he needs to do to reconcile, and russell, some common sense, is at least a bipartisan post to address the issue. >> the prospect of another four years of donald trump or a biden administration is going to do everything they can to protect women's rights, and

with science, it is a very stark difference that is very real for people now given what's happened and alabama. >> new developments from capitol hill. voices from both side of the ukraine funding battled again and as this weekend marks two years since the russia invasion of that country. >> i don't think the question is about whether there is an overwhelming bipartisan vote in the house waiting to happen. the question now is about politics. will speaker johnson bust through the politics in his caucus to put this vote on the floor? if he does, the resources will flow. >> so many citizens are saying, why are we sending billions of dollars to protect ukraine when our country remains open? to be clear, i agree with the speaker. you want to talk ukraine funding? let's talk about it. you've got to secure america first. >> we have reporters and analysts in place covering all of these angles for us, nbc's vaughn hillyard is near fort mills, south carolina. he's on his way out from

covering last in its republican primary. welcome. after her disappointed but not surprising loss to trump and her home state, haley is hitting -- while trump, last night, seemed to be more focused on biden and the general election. what does the road ahead look like for these republican candidates? >> right, alex, donald trump did not even mention nikki haley by name, let alone even mention the fact that he still had a republican opponent. nikki haley, on the other hand, made it clear that she is going to be en route here to michigan. also, super tuesday states around the country, super tuesday, more than a dozen republican electorates are going to the polls ahead of the march 5th. for nikki haley, she made it clear that she is not going to bow out of the race. she is not going to kiss the ring. she believes that millions of republican voters around the country should have the opportunity to take part in this republican primary process. of course, there's a question of, is there a deeper motive there? could she potentially seek to

join a no labels ticket? there are a lot of outstanding questions, especially because her prospects are quite dire here at this point. michigan is the next step, but there is a primary, there's also a caucus component, and most of the delegates coming out of michigan are gonna come out of that caucus prospect. i was talking the other week to the chairman of the michigan gop who told me, look, this is a delegation that is full of trump loyalists, and he expected most, if not all, of the democrats to have the caucus process in michigan on behalf of donald trump. i'm not utilized both of these candidates, as i said, nikki haley is not going anywhere. she made that clear. take a listen. >> in certain countries, you are allowed to call your election date. if i had the right to do, it i do it tomorrow. we have an election tomorrow. >> we're heading to michigan tomorrow. and we're heading to the super tuesday state throughout all of

next week. [applause] we'll keep fighting for america, and we won't rest until america wins. [applause] >> alex, put this into context. between michigan voting, and march 19th, 24 states are already voting. mail ballots, in early voting, has begun in the states where republicans are holding primaries between now and march 19th. again, 24 states. for nikki haley, she's got to get on it. she's got to make her way across the country, because in realtime, republican voters are already making their decisions in those key states. march 19th is the day that the trump campaign will hit that threshold, the number delegates required to be the presumptive nominee. >> that's just three weeks away or so. thank you very much for that perspective, on. and want you to stay with me though because i want to bring in joyce vance, former federal prosecutor, now university alabama school of law professor, co-host of

#sistersinlaw podcaster, b.c. news in msnbc legal analyst. also, jacqueline -- a congressional investigations report of the washington post, and nbc news contributor. it's a great panel. let's get going with it. joyce, trump lost his effort to delay enforcement of the 454 million dollar fine. he now owns that to new york state. this bill is racking up $111,000 in interest every single day. he is also seeking to delay pain 83 million that he owes the e. jean carroll. joyce, where can donald trump source this cash? does he have to put up his own money? either to pay the fine, or to file an appeal? >> that's exactly right. he only has two options. one is to go to a bail bondsmen, put up ten to 20%, whatever they'll take from him, and post the bond the traditional way. alternatively, he can do what he did after the first e. jean carroll case, where he pays the

first 5 million into the court find. obviously, that's much more difficult in these two cases, which now total and sum of money. one imagines that trump is reaching out to lenders of last resort, doing whatever he can do to leverage his real estate assets into bond funds. >> your assessment,, jackie of how donald trump's straddle in both the campaign and the court room. seeking to use all his legal setbacks to advance his political cause. how is that going? >> yeah. alex, just ten days after von says the trump campaign has been hoping he can -- and that's the primary election is really over for republicans, trump is going to be forced to show, up in trial, for the first of his four criminal cases on march 25th. that is one of the dates starts, involving hush money payments designed to influence the 2016 elections. that trial could take up to six weeks, and that is why you're

seeing trump really hone in on these arguments, without proof, that federal and state prosecutors are targeting his -- white house bid. this is something he is going to have to essentially leave the campaign trail for and focus on full-time. we are going to see him do is further try to, you know, muddy the waters, so to speak, and combine these two things, trying to capitalize on these court appearance opportunities as a campaign event. you know, making, again, these unsubstantiated claims that are sort of in line with the weaponization of the law enforcement system that he is a victim here. there are also, obviously, three other criminal trials that are coinciding, with the campaign this year. including the federal and state level trials, and accusing him of trying to steal the 2020 election. we know jacks mitt is very keen to begin that trial as soon as possible. it was supposed to start march 4th until it was delayed.

smith is still hopeful that that will get done and start with the spring. >> wow. six weeks with the hush money trial, when he is in court monday through thursday, full- time. that is going to be historic to see how it manages all that. vaughn, i know you wrote about a new draft resolution. it's to prevent the orrantia from paint trump's legal bills. will this effort succeed? do republicans do anything about super pacs? what you're already funding trump's legal fees? can they do anything about that? >> right, this is a very real conversation, alex. laura trump, who donald trump has asserted should be the next co-chair of the rnc, openly said that they would consider having the rnc pay for his legal expenses. noting that it was a priority among republican voters. though, when you look at the last two years, the rnc was already putting up more than $2 million towards donald trump's legal expenses.

the affiliated super pacs for donald trump have put in more than $80 million to help to for his costs here. i think it's noteworthy that this rnc member out of mississippi, a long-time committee man, he told me that he found it important to put this resolution forward. it could potentially be voted on when the rnc is 168 member -- convenes in houston texas on march 7th and eighth. in order to declare it decisively, the rnc would not spend any of its money in the nine months before the november election on trump related legal fees, instead, focus those resources on winning the white house, winning the senate and house races. the big question here, as who exactly is going to be running rnc. chris -- who is trump's campaign manager, he made it clear to me that's when he intends to take on a chief operating officer role within the rnc in the coming weeks, there would be no money spent on his legal bills. this is a moment in time when joyce said it, the financial

obligations are massive. not to even mention the legal bills that he is likely to incur here in the months ahead. >> absolutely. joyce, there's a new legal filing, and it came in the classified documents case. trump is pushing for outright dismissal of those criminal charges related to mar-a-lago. his laundry list of arguments include claims of immunity, vindictive prosecution, prosecutorial misconduct, violation of attorney-client privilege. do you see any compelling legal arguments here? >> so this is a rehash of arguments trump has made in other cases, and in other contexts. mostly, they amount to a gross expansion of the powers of the presidency, claiming, for, instance the presidents can designate classified documents as personal property, and retain them. none of this flies legally. we are in judge aileen's courtroom. she has been, at best, slow to rule in the past. these motions, she could

certainly use them as a reason to delay the case. of course, she has a schedule may trial date. it's possible these motions, and other matters pertaining to classified discovery, could be the fodder that she needs to delay, and to push the trial date further out. i am really at the point where i've decided this case is very unlikely to go to trial before the election, if it goes to trial at all. >> wow. okay. what about this to you, jackie. as trump's legal problems seem to be getting deeper, how much support is he getting from members of congress, and how much influence does he have on the biden investigation? a scene and erosion there? >> well, alex, i think that when the house gop initially took the majority, trump was hopeful he would potentially have more cover from house republicans. as the year has dragged on, and house gop investigators have yet to really unearth any new material that directly links joe biden to this narrative, and these unsubstantiated

claims that he was engaged and foreign influence, and that alejandro mayorkas was to be impeached for his handling of the border crisis. those, that defense, that line of defense that trump was hopeful would sort of be counter program in to the legal battles he's facing has deteriorated in recent weeks. on the side of the impeachment of alejandro mayorkas, the trial is about to graduate to the senate actually this coming week. it's unclear whether the impeachment manager in the house are actually going to present their case, but the farther along this impeachment proceeding against alejandro mayorkas has gone, the more support for it has eroded. we have these traditionally friendly and reliable gop validators come out against proceedings, and including some of the more conservative ands right wing senators, you know, senators often view themselves as a bit more high minded, and

conscientious of the constitution, and the rule of law. they've looked down and house republicans for advancing this further. simultaneously, james comer, the head of the house gop oversight committee was dealt really what maybe the nail on the coffin for his investigation into the impeachment inquiry against joe biden. last, week when the department of released an indictment that one of their lead witnesses that republicans have been touting was indicted by line ands -- as a confidential source. or, the fbi where joe biden offered -- to influence ukrainian policy in some way. at the end of the day, i'm not sure that trump is going to be seen the kind of talking points, and the defense that he was hoping to heading into this big turn of trials that he has now going to be facing. >> let me ask, you've, on one last question from the fulton

county election racketeering case with trump's legal team submitting that analysis of cell phone records, and then fani willis objecting to, it say it's not relevant. judge mcafee has set a hearing for friday on the effort to disqualify her. but do you expect to see their? >> right, at&t turned over the phone records for that special prosecutor, nathan wade, at the request of the lawyers for the defendant who are looking to disqualify fani willis from prosecuting this case against donald trump in the other defendants. these phone records are deep, and their complex. pushed back on the use of the phone records to be presented to the judge, as evidence of wrongdoing, or an inappropriate relationship that would have impacted her ability to prosecute this case. sane, in part, that the phone records are only able to identify what their phones were within a several-mile radius. they provide no information on

the actual contents of the messages, in the phone calls that the two engaged in. secondly, she even noted that there were three different crime scenes that were situations in which she was at, in late hours of the night, murder scenes. that is evidence that the defendants are trying to use, and extrapolate, information from these phone records that do not actually pin any wrongdoing, or inappropriate relationship, on a friend, when she was simply tweeted finish district attorney. >> no time to ask this, but joyce, quickly, did the cell phone records matter? >> well, they matter if they can link them up to something else. fonda's a great job of pointing out, these are geolocation. they do not show that willis and wade were together. the big location, lots of restaurants, lots of night venues. she has now senator, oath she wasn't there. so the reality, we'll learn this friday,, she has been very clear that these records don't

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>> the u.s. and its allies carried out a fresh round of strikes against houthi targets in yemen overnight, including in the capital city. >> [speaking in a global language] [sound of artillery] >> what was the latest round of action against the iranian- backed group that has been targeting ships over their opposition to the war in gaza. joining me now from washington, nbc national security and global affairs reporter, dan de luce. dan, welcome. cut this latest strike, could it and that sustained attack campaign on commercial ships in the red sea?

and where does this fits, last nights incidents, where does it fit into the u.s. brought a retaliatory strike campaign against the houthis? >> you know, alex, i don't think the u.s. military and officials really believe that this particular latest round of strikes is going to end the problem. i think they have a hope and a plan that overtime, they would damage the houthis abilities to launch those drones and missiles, and overtime, shipping will become safer in the red sea. as well as that area around the suez canal. in the meantime, we're in the middle of an open-ended complex. the u.s. is churning out air strikes and missile strikes to go after the houthis, drones, and missiles that have caused such problems for commercial shipping. we should keep in mind that commercial ships have not been damaged, they have not been suck. thankfully, no crew had been harms. nevertheless, we are in an open- ended situation here.

>> yeah, for sure. let me ask you about the new recording that you have that examines the concerns about a rising isolationist strain in the republican party. it's bolstered, certainly, by donald trump. how could another trump presidency alter america's approach to, deposition with, in the world. >> alex, it's really extraordinary. you really have to go back to the 1930s, where the election in 1840, before pearl harbor, up to see this level of isolationism really gaining traction in american politics. it's obviously really been led by donald trump and his supporters. the point now, as you know, that aid package for ukraine has been stuck in congress for months, then he's threatening, he's questioning the value of the nato alliance. what does all this mean. if trump gets elected, i think a lot of people are concerned that the u.s. will pull back

from the world's, and the last time we did, that that helped lead to world war i, it contributed to the great depression, and came under a pack in 1841. the arguments from all those who disagree with trump is that, look at the past 80 plus years since 1945. the u.s. led order in the world was not perfect. it has dramatically lowered global poverty. it's a shrewd and a lot more democracies that are only about a dozen in 1845. the now about 100. our own gdp in our country dramatically increase, so it really did assure and prosperity and peace overall, there will be a vacuum if the u.s. steps back. that's the argument against us. in russia, china, other regimes, they would fill that void. >> glad you've written about it. i'm going to talk about it right now with my next guest. in the meantime, thank you for that. i'm joined now by democratic congressman of massachusetts.

congressman, you heard that they had pretty good reasons for which there should be concerned about the u.s. going it alone. they're pursuing an isolationist stance. how do you feel about it? >> he's one hunted percent. right i see this firsthand in congress. the way that our congressional committees work, the upper, day when he set higher up in the committees, or more senior. when you're more lower down, you're more junior. but i see in these committee hearings is that those republican members who are high, output bid in congress for a couple of decades, they're more traditional republicans, they have a hawkish view of american foreign policy, and are comfortable with intervention. these other days, they are spewing talking points for maga. it's become a maga dominates house and senate. you know who wins? judging pegged. i have talked to ambassadors throughout the indo-pacific,

throughout europe, the one thing is very clear. she jinping it is junior partner, vladimir putin, our hope been -- that we make the mistakes of the 1930s, because they will fill the vacuum, and they will take away the packs americana that is a lot peace and prosperity to spread across the course of the last 70 years, and replaced it with a might makes right regime. >> congressman, everything you just said, everything we heard from dan de luce, i'm curious what are the republicans that support this missing? or are they blindly following donald trump. do they not follow history? >> ironically, i think that they are tapping into a sentiments that grew since 2003 in the iraq war. i say ironically because that was a republican president to lie to the american public about weapons of mass destruction, started a war of choice that did not serve american interests, or largely represents american values. in my opinion, that began to

unravel broad republican consensus around america's role in the world, and it has been donald trump who has tapped into that, and turn it towards the self defeating ants. i still think, in fact i know, that in the congress of today, there is a majority support for ukraine, taiwan, israel, national security package, 70 to 30. it has the votes in the house, alex, it would pass probably 300 plus votes in the house if speaker johnson put it on the floor. speaker johnson has to decide what he wants his legacy to be. does he want to go out these last few months as donald trump's subservient campaign manager? nor does he want to serve as the speaker of the house, in a moment of crisis, in meet the moral moment that we are in? >> yeah, it's contradictory in what you said there, there is one person, will play a soundbite right now from congresswoman nancy mace, who said this morning, she's oppose this bill because of bidens,

quote, failed mission in ukraine. listen to this. >> they want to say that republicans are pro putin, pro russia. nothing could be further from the truth. who we really are, it's pro america. our citizens in our national security. the one thing he did not hear jake sullivan or joe biden say today, or really ever, is dividing our mission in ukraine. they have yet to define that mission, they have yet to set the strategy. they have yet to articulate how are we going to get out of the situation? if we have the answer, we'd be talking about it. perhaps there would be more support for it. >> she says biden's top priority should be u.s.-mexico border. what's your response to all that? >> alex, there is a psychological term for. this is called confabulation. it's when people make things up to justify the belief that they have already committed themselves to. what's happened here is that donald trump is put the republican party in a position where they have to be against border security because he wants the campaign on the border -- they have to be against ukraine because he

sympathetic to vladimir putin. now they're trying to confabulator. trying to figure out every which way to justify the fact that they are in favor of two disastrous policies. let me be very clear about what success could look like for ukraine. a defensible border on their east, access to the black sea's that they have the exports that they need to sustain their economy, and successions to the european union on the near term horizon. we know in and game here. we know that the ukrainians have the willpower to win, and they just got the firepower. if ronald reagan could hear nancy mace right, now he'd be spitting in his grave. she is undoing the victory of the cold war. >> this was a great conversation. i want to -- confabulation, that is a new word for me, i'm going to have plenty of opportunity to use, if my friend. thank you so much. and the meantime, we have new details about the death of a non-binary teenager, what police are looking from the school surveillance video. ce a school surveillance video.

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>> i owe pointers support across the country following the tragic death of a non- binary student. -- we're held for next benedict after a fight in a school bathroom. newly released body cam footage are raising questions as to what led to the 16 year olds death. nbc's -- reports. >> what happened today? >> they got jumped. >> new police body cam video shows a 16 year old oklahoma high school student describing a fight they had and school just one day before their tragic death. >> they kicked me, grabbed my hair. i grabbed onto them. i threw one of them >> nex benedict, who uses they them pronouns, speaking to a police officer from the richest form of a nearby hospital. >> -- >> newly-released school surveillance camera shows benedict and the cafeteria with

classmates, that walk into a bathroom where benedict says a fight broke out. >> they had said something like why did they laugh like that? they were talking about us in front of us. and so i went up there in a port water on them. all three of them came at me. >> shortly after, a faculty member rushes into the bathroom. later, benedict to see walking to the principles office, and then out of the school, escorted by their mom. the next day nex mom called dispatchers say that nex had trouble breathing. she apologize for not you zane nex correct protons. paramedics rushed to the hospital were they later died. they don't have a comment on the new video. according to the police, the medical examiners office determined that benedict is not die from trauma, and they're

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all odds following her defeat to donald trump in south carolina's primary on saturday. joining me now is democratic strategist and host of the caucus from podcast, dawn calloway. of republican strategist nimbus and b.c. political analyst, susan del percio. as i welcome you guys, to either of you write excuse notes for david jolly? luke had a going, hey, where are you? we'll give him grace. trump's victory over haley, it was as expected, but self- described republicans made up a sizeable majority of the electorate. trump carried those voters by an overwhelming margin. trump has won with ease in the midwest, in the northeast, and, now the south. is there a reason to speculate whether haley can close the gap in michigan this week, and super tuesday next? will political contests be over before potential criminal legal rulings come in against trump? >> well, there's no reason to believe that nikki haley can

make up the mathematical deficit and delegates. it's important to remember as we go through this process, two things. number one, the people who make up the primary process tend to be people who exist at the polls of either party. the people who are coming out to vote in republican primaries in conferences are deeply red, tend to be more, maga and deeply on the left side. those are the people who are coming out. nikki tail elie has shown nothing to indicate that she has chipped into, or voted, donald trump's power amongst that base. that's number one. the second thing to remember about primaries is that it's a mathematical race about delegates. i simply, susan we know better than, i i simply, at this point, don't see demanded any of the early state polling between now and tuesday to suggest that nikki haley has a mathematical -- towards winning the nomination. i have to imagine that she's in it at this point, as a matter of saving face. more practically, as a matter of been the person who will win some type of legal nomination.

she was the one left standing. she is a reasonable nominee for the party. >> i'm going to ask you the same question in a different way, susan. after these enormous winds, geographically, demographically, diverse states, are there any takeaways in the exit polls that shows joe notion that donald trump is the overwhelming favorite amongst republican voters? >> there is nothing to challenge, that he clearly. is where the problem is that donald trump has been seen as been a republican incumbent in essence. and number -- one reported company looks like? it looks like he did two weeks ago for joe biden, who won 96%. that shows you the parties firmly behind you. when you learned 60 40, or even 70 30 amongst republicans, it tells you that there are no republicans out there that are not for you, and really could hurt your general election chances. this rhetoric that trump's been spouting, yeah, it gives him

red, need and winds in the primary. but, it doesn't necessarily help them in the general election. >> here is another but let's focus on, don. right after the polls close last night, my colleague lawrence o'donnell said trump's numbers should have been bigger. that should be alarming for republicans. trump was pulling at about 57% when he said, at that moment, he's pulling in those numbers. then he went on to shy 60% when the vote was all telling. let's listen to some of what lawrence had to say. >> 7%. >> these numbers are disastrous for donald trump. disastrous, okay? the reason i mention the big forgotten ember of south carolina, which is joe biden getting 96%, okay? that's what you're supposed to get. donald trump is not going to come close to that. we don't know what the result of this election is tonight, but it's going to be a very substantial number. it could be a third of the votes. it is going to leave that on the table, belonging to another candidates, all you, all you

need is 5% of the 30%. we're talking about a sliver. that's all you need to not vote for donald trump. >> so, you have these exit polls, they're showing nearly three out of four voters who identify as moderate or liberal. they are more likely to vote for haley. do you agree with lawrence's point? >> no. i don't. you have to remember that nikki haley was the twice elected, well respected, very well liked, transformative and historic governor of south carolina. you can't expect the blow out that she would've seen if anyone else had run against donald trump in south carolina. this was a specific south carolina primary, a 60 40, which is still an extraordinarily decisive victory, it's still a blowouts, vanishing up in the governor, it would've been much worse, and reflective of the numbers that he would've wanted to see. by no means do i agree that it's a disaster for donald trump. >> susan, with haley losing badly in her home state to

don's point, it's a blowout, it is certainly the worst-case scenario for any candidate to lose their home states. she's vowed to go on. you write that it makes absolute sense for her to stay in the race. why? why shouldn't she drop out when your chances of winning the majority of delegates are somewhere between slim to none. >> yeah, and just for the record, i did not see lawrence o'donnell say what, i didn't see him say that last night. i guess i'm just on the same track as him with my previous comments. but as far as nikki haley stain in the race, she should. gee has the money. the reason why campaigns ends in primaries is because they don't have enough money to go forward. i don't believe it's going 40% like we saw in south carolina, no republicans for her, as john mentioned. it's her home state. there is a third, there is a solid third that have a problem with donald trump. she is giving the voice.

plus, for the first time, we have a candidate going head, a republican candidate, going head on against donald trump. that is really important. >> good point there. don, last question to you. the black conservative annual gala on friday were astonishingly, he received the champion of black america, or donald trump suggested black people relate to him because he's facing discrimination in the legal system. let's listen together to assemble what he said. >> the black people are so much on my side now because they see what's happening to me happens to them. does that make sense? we've all seen the mugshot. you know who embraced it more than anybody else? the black population. you see black people walking around with my mugshot. they sell shirts. they seldom for $19 apiece. >> yeah, say block people like him because of his mugshot. give me your response to that,

don. >> he conflates black americans with criminality and indictments. he acquaints, the word coming from fox news, is that we are engaged in mindless consumerism. it's not true. black people are, and no in significant numbers, going to donald trump, but he is showing what he thinks of black people. he equates blackness with criminality. that is what you have to think about when you consider a vote for donald trump. not as a democrat, not as a black person, but as a republican. you have to think about why does he warrant, why does he merit be in the face of the leader of your party, unless your vote is for his continued ideology, which is hate, division, and ongoing oppression of already marginalized folks. >> okay, guys, thank you so much. good to see you both. you don and -- inure sweater there. >> i was thinking of david bowie, just a quick mind laps. you've seen the movie before, but you can still never predict the ending. we're not talking hollywood, as

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more fallout after that controversial decision by the alabama supreme court ruling frozen embryos or children and people can be filed liable for destroying them. at least through the eight fertility clinics have now paused ivf services as they wait the legal ramifications the ruling. it has also left ivf patients scrambling to figure out what cummings next. -- university of alabama school of law professor, co-host of

sister in law podcast, and msnbc news and -- legal analyst, joyce vance. joyce, the alabama supreme court justice tom parker wrote this in his concurring opinion. human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of the holy gods who views this destruction of his image as an affront to himself. this is your home state, what do you make of him invoking god and his anger in this decision? how can patients and providers protect themselves, protect the access to these treatment against this kind of rationale? >> this is chief justice parker writing in a concurring opinion that no other justice joins, but nonetheless the entire opinion, the majority and even the dissent are provided with this notion that the views of one religion will control the rights and medical care access of all people in the state of

alabama. it's the sort of decision that you would expect to see as a confrontation with the first amendment, which provides that no state and federal government shall not establish any religion over the others. this is certainly an appeal to a vision that does not apply to alabamians who come as muslims, as jews, as nonbelievers, but nonetheless this is the opinion that eight of the justices on the alabama supreme court joined. >> so what, joyce, is the impact of other states making similar rulings following alabama's footsteps, especially in the south where reproductive health care access is already- limited. what kind of punishment could be -- simply seeking ivf treatment? >> look, if alex, i actually think that this ruling will not hold up. the alabama legislature is scrambling, their bill is under consideration in both chambers that will make an exception for ivf. and alabama's internee