that does it for me today, but i'm really looking forward to tomorrow night, because we have an all-star lineup of guests including preet bharara, the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. certainly no shortage of topics to cover with him, at all, as the countdown starts for donald trump to put up the money to appeal his civil fraud judgment in new york. plus, michigan congresswoman elissa slotkin will join us on the eve of the primary day in her state. those two guests are on tap for tomorrow night at eight pm eastern. for, now stay where you are, because there's much more news coming up on msnbc. on msnbc. on this hour, of eamon, -- battle over the president support for israel.

for republicans, it is a battle over who actually runs this states party. also tonight, ohio takes identity politics to a nauseating low, banning trans candidates from using their real names on the ballot. and what does it say when republicans go too far, even for trump? alabama supreme court appears to view ivf treatment no differently than abortions. and if you think it's just an alabama thing, wake up. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's do it. ♪ ♪ ♪ with the south carolina primary officially over, it is time to talk about the next political contest on the calendar. tuesday, voters in the crucial battleground state of michigan will cast ballots in both the democratic and republican primary contests. for president biden, tuesday's primary presents perhaps the first real threat to his reelection hopes. ahead of the primary, local progressives launched a

campaign urging michiganders to vote and committed, to send a warning to the president that his continued support for israel and its bombardment of gaza, as well as his refusal to call for a cease-fire, could cost him votes in november's presidential election. especially among arab americans and muslim american voters, which make up a large portion of michigan's electorate. and the hope is this campaign will serve as a wake up call to president biden, and force him to change course. here is how michigan voters put it this week, when speaking to my colleague, yasmin vossoughian. >> raise your hands, who voted for joe biden? and, who is voting and committed in the primary? >> you have been so distant from your constituents. you took our word, you turned around and stabbed us in the back. took our money, our money is used to kill our brothers and sisters. how, this is just, it's inexcusable. it's just inexcusable. >> as for republicans, their party's nomination process is

already off to a rocky start, with the introduction of a new primary caucus hybrid plan. it is confusing, so please stick with me for a second. michigan's republican party is splitting its presidential delegates to the republican national convention, based on the results of tuesday's primary, which is open to all voters, and a march 2nd caucus convention, that will be limited to party loyalists. however, a mutiny within the michigan republican party could bring even more confusion and chaos to all of this. right now, the state party is embroiled in a leadership feud, with both christina -- and pete -- claiming to be the rightful chair of the party. -- refuses to leave her post, although national republicans, and even former president trump installed -- , a maga ally in her place. as of this moment, each pledged to hold their own conventions on march 2nd, on different sides of the state. all right, so long story short here, the results of michigan's

primary are anyone's guess. but no matter what, chaos is running this show. joining me now, california democratic congressman ro khanna, who visited michigan this week to speak with arab american leaders in the community about what they are worried about. congressman, it's great to have you back on the show, thanks for making time for us. so let me start there with the conversation you had with michigan voters. and aside from a cease-fire, tell us a little bit about what the leaders, the community leaders, the voters are asking for, and what will it take to get back on board with president biden? >> ayman, the first thing you realize is the deep hurt, the deep sense of anger, the deep sense of grief and loss that is present in dearborn ethnic communities. some people talked about knowing family members, intergenerational, three generations of family members that have been killed.

someone talked about how -- went to unrwa schools, and unrwa provided food for her mother to survive. this is a deeply emotional issue, and first, we need to half an end to the war, and then a period of healing, before we can even make a political case. >> governor gretchen whitmer, and democratic congresswoman debbie dingell responded to questions today about the growing progressive movement urging voters to vote on committed on tuesday. let me play you a part of that response. >> this is, i think, a very high stakes moment. i am encouraging people to cast an affirmative vote for president biden. i understand the pain that people are feeling, and i will continue to work to build bridges with folks in all of these communities. >> the humanitarian situation in gaza could go on, at -- and we've got to find a solution that brings a cease fire. the president is working on a temporary cease-fire now, and i

will say that his white house has conversations now ongoing with the senior leadership of this community, that i think are very, very important and critical. >> get me your thoughts on that, congressman. i mean, given that you have called for an immediate cease- fire, and for the united states to place conditions on aid to israel, why is this president so reluctant to meet members of your party, of his party, and constituents somewhere in the middle, and not be where he is on this issue, so far to the right? >> look, i think david and go is playing a very constructive role. but, we need a change in policy. there needs to be an immediate cease-fire, with a release of hostages. there needs to be the resumption of aid to gaza, including aid to unrwa. and the president i think is an

opportunity to be a peacemaker. he needs to state clearly that the occupation should end, and meet a summit with egypt, uae, saudi arabia and israel and palestinian authorities, to actually get to a recognition of a palestinian state, which the united states hasn't done yet. in the u. n., and -- and to make that reality. i am hopeful that we will be able to convey to the president and his team, that the only thing that will move the needle here is not slogans, it's not poll tested phrases, but is actually a shift in policy. >> where do you see the and committed vote go after the primary? are you worried about november, because as you said, this is to send a message to president biden. if the number, and i don't know if there is a number out there that is supposed to be a threshold, that will get the white house's attention. but is there a stated number but they are trying to go for,

or a percentage of the population that they want to have in order for this to be a serious cause of concern for the white house, and are you concerned about in november? >> let me first say that if i we're a michigan voter, i would vote for the president, because i believe he represents a much better chance of peace in the middle east than donald trump. but what is unconscionable is some of the -- pundits saying those who are voting on committed. these are folks who may not share their view, but they are not engaged in throwing paint on limousine's. they are are engaged in the most american tradition which is to use their ballot, to send a message. and i think it would be a mistake and to tally up did i can tell you if the president who is -- that spent a half a day in the airborne he would include the same things that i, have that they have a lot of work to do to really earn the

trust of this community and that it itself is underestimated, they -- ,. i think there is a misunderstanding in the modern democratic voting -- it is not just airborne eric, votes but it is voters of color, it is young voters, it is progressives. and -- suburban republicans -- they need a strategy, without -- a truck on tuesday >> yeah and as the mayor of dearborn told us, he has never seen an election which voters are blamed for a candidate losing. let's hope that does not happen in the event that that and committed number is substantial, it is certainly one that gets the attention of the president to change course on israel and gaza. congressman ro khanna, it's always a pleasure sir, thank you so much for time, greatly appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >> with us now, michigan house speaker joe tate, a democrat representing the states tenth

district. speaker tate, it's great to have you on the show, thank you for making time for us. let's begin with what is happening for a moment sir, on the republican side, with the chaos that is embroiling michigan's republican party. what do you make of this dysfunction over who is actually the party chair, -- and the process of choosing delegates? >> well thanks for having me, ayman. first and foremost, it starts with donald trump. we know that he sows discord, he marginalizes people. and that has blood down into michigan republican party. so now you have essentially two tiers, or two chairs that say they are chairs of the michigan republican party, really no understanding of their process, to pick a republican nominee. and you are seeing this chaos. it is bleeding into the michigan legislature as well, where republicans do not have a

plan, did they do not have an agenda to move this state forward. and that is going out right now. >> and let me ask you about the and committed vote, this campaign to vote on committed, instead of in the affirmative for president biden. politico is reporting that signs of support for it are growing, rather than diminishing. you heard a little bit there from congressman khanna as well, talk about the community and the energy behind organizing for it. how do you explain, that how do you interpret it, how do you think it will ultimately mean for president biden? >> i think ultimately, at the end of the day, president biden and the democrats will be able to get behind president biden, in november. we know what has taking place, the tragedy that is happening over in the middle east, and, people are affected by it. but i will say at the end of the day, looking at leadership, looking at who has been able to get things done, as president of the united states, who has the wisdom, who has the ability. i think at the end of the day, to put american interest first,

i think joe biden is all the way. i think that is where we will move, we certainly have a big tent party. and i respect all of the voters, in terms of where they want to cast their ballot. but when you look at the stakes in november, you know donald trump is going to be the republican nominee. i think we have to make sure as democrats, we elect joe biden to four more years. >> let me ask you a some of the general election polling. i know it is still very early, and maybe some people don't like to talk about it. but michigan polling shows donald trump leading by four points in a potential matchup against president biden. how does the president turn that around? what are voters telling you right now about the situation in your state? >> i think we just have to keep our foot on the pedal, as democrats. i think when we look at michiganders, they want to be able to focus in and know that they have jobs, they have

opportunities, there are kids will be going to school, to get a great education. and that is what michigan democrats have been doing, when we look at what's been going on in lansing, by cutting taxes, by expanding the civil rights act, by instituting common sense gun violence reform, things that republicans never decided to do. i think that is going to resonate at the end of the day, because democrats get things done. and i think when we get to november, as we get through the next nine months, that is going to begin to resonate. what would you rather have? would you rather have a presidency where joe biden is leading the way? or would you rather have this discord, this undermining of democratic institutions, that trump did when he was president. so that is what is going to be on the ballot in michigan, in november. >> you actually bring up a really important point, i want to drill down on that for a second. because in michigan, democrats

have actually accomplished a lot under your party's control. in 2023 alone, you may move on gun control, as you mentioned. clean energy, right to work, reproductive rights. if there was a message, what should democrats nationwide take away from what you have successfully done in the state of michigan? >> you know, our motto here with house democrats is putting people first. when you elect democrats, you expect, there is an expectation of governing, and making people's lives better. and that is what we have been trying to do. and what we are seeing on the other side of the aisle, with republicans, they have no message, they are against government. and, they are stumbling, trying to endorse donald trump. who again, sows discord, and wants to undermine our institutions. so for democrats, it's putting people first at the end of the day, and showing that we can

move the needle on opportunity, we can move the needle on making people's lives better, making government work for them. >> all right, michigan house speaker joe tate. sir, real pleasure, thank you for making time for us tonight. hopefully you will come back on the program. >> absolutely, thank you. >> thank you. >> and next up, -- a candidate for office in ohio, who is a fighting a state law that truly takes identity politics to a despicable new low. new low. . if you experience irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, you should talk to your doctor. afib increases the risk of stroke about 5 times. when it comes to your health, this is no time to wait.

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in ohio, a decades old state law is creeping a major obstacle for transgender political candidates. the little known rule, requires candidates to disclose name changes in the past five years, on their petition paperwork, putting many trans candidates in the unique and difficult position of having to include their dead names. if you are unfamiliar, a dead name is the name a trans person was given at birth, but no longer uses. the name statute does not appear in the 33-page candidate requirement guide. one candidate has already been disqualified for not including her dead name. another is seeing her campaign challenged, and a third recently faced a disqualification hearing. -- a democratic candidate who is running for the ohio state senate, will appear on the ballot next month's primary, after being forced to include his dead name. and he joins me now. -- ari, it's great to see you, thank you so much for coming on this show. the republican -- who

cosponsored this bill, when he served in ohio's house of representatives, says this is about the bill's intent. saying in part, quote, candidates can't just change their names to hide a previous identity. and that's a blatant red herring, and we know that for sure. so for those watching, who might not understand, explain why this is a truly insulting, or a slap in the face to the trans community. >> so, we know -- about dead names. it doesn't adequately reflect who we are. and so, for a lot of trans people, it can be difficult and trauma inducing to include their dead names. i understand the reasoning behind the law, and can agree that people deserve to know who they are voting for. however, changing your name because you are trans is not changing your name in an effort to hide who you were in the

past. >> do you fear laws like this will keep transgender americans from running for office? can it have a chilling factor, an intimidating factor on potential trans candidates? >> absolutely. i think there are quite a few people who maybe would be on the fence, about running, see this law, and then decide against it. i think the law also really can harm women who are going through a divorce, or anybody that has gone through a life transition, and had their name changed because of it. >> i know this isn't just a one- off, some might say it's a microcosm of a larger crackdown on trans rights across the state in ohio. you recently traveled to the state house in columbus to protest a bill banning minors from receiving transgender medical care. and advocates say laws like these are life and death. explain to our viewers why you see it like that. >> i know for me, growing up as a transgender person when i was young, it was incredibly

difficult. i faced a lot of mental health challenges, and i was still accepting myself beginning to transition, where i really saw my mental health coming around. i feel for these children, not only does it prevent them from transitioning when they will be able to, it's also sending a message to them that they aren't valued, that they aren't believed, that they aren't cherished or loved or wanted here. >> as you campaign, what are you hearing from the people in ohio, not only about these efforts to attack trans people, but the issues that they want addressed, and what they want their politicians to focus on. >> i'm hearing a lot about issues relating to the economy, and the cost of living mostly. we live in a really impoverished district, where a lot of folks have food insecurity and health insecurity, specifically.

so we hear a lot about that. and i had a lot of people express a lot of support, relating to this law. being upset about house bill 68 passing, and the -- house bill 68 as well. >> all right, ari -- thank you so much for taking time for us, greatly appreciate your insights on this. >> to have peace, you must actually want peace. so, what is israel's prime minister really after? really ?

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once we begin the rafah operation, the intense phase of the fighting is weeks away from completion. not months, weeks away from completion. if we have a deal, it will be delayed somewhat. but it will happen. if we don't have a deal, we will do it anyway. >> all right, so that was israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu today. he says there is no deal on the gaza cease-fire, and even if once reached, the israeli assault on rafah will happen. that is despite widespread warnings from allies against a ground operation into southern

gaza city, where more than 2 million people are sheltering from israeli bombardment from other parts of gaza. netanyahu's defiance is reflected in his post war plan for gaza, that was released this past thursday, laying out netanyahu's goals, which include indefinite military control of gaza, or occupation, as well as an overhaul of gaza civil administration. the plan does not mention the palestinian authority, which president biden has said should alternately govern gaza in the occupied west bank, as a quote, revitalized body. netanyahu has also reiterated his opposition to a unilaterally recognized palestinian state, that too pits and against israel's biggest ally and backer, the united states, and other countries who are pushing for palestinian sovereignty and a two state solution. joining me now to discuss this and more, daniel -- and editor of foreign affairs. daniel, it's great to have you

on the show, i've been looking forward to this conversation for some time. let me start with your thoughts on netanyahu's so-called post war plan. what do you think are the most important takeaways from this document? and what does it tell us about israel's alignment, or lack thereof with the rest of the world on the future of gaza. great question. and in some ways, we are approaching the kind of confrontation that we've been waiting for for a long time, between washington and netanyahu. the biden administration has said over and over again that they envision a key role for the palestinian authority, that they expect israel to, after it is done with its current operation, to fully withdraw from gaza. and everything you see with the plan that netanyahu released today suggests the opposite. as you said, it is not mentioned the palestinian authority, it talks about maintaining security control for gaza. so it really brings into sharp relief the difference between the kinds of vision you see, not just from the americans, but also from europeans, and

for regional governments, and from what you are seeing from netanyahu. and it really casts into doubts, and adds challenge to the very, very difficult questions that remain about what happens after this war is over, and whether we are going to return to some -- status quo before this all started, or whether there is a path forward to something resembling real peace. obviously, this has been the far off destination in the israeli palestinian relationship for a long time. but it is something that is going to become an urgent question for american policy makers, once again, after this, the operation in gaza comes to an end. but everything we have seen today from netanyahu just reminds us how difficult that is going to be, for american policy makers. >> yeah, and it's not just playing out in the political world. even academically and intellectually, when it comes to the postwar palestinian state, which netanyahu and many in his far-right coalition

adamantly opposed, and said will never be recognized. there is now an interesting discussion that is taking place, and you guys wrote about it in foreign affairs, in the march april issue. you had experts analyze the two- state solution, from various vantage points. arguing that a, one piece argues that the two-state solution has been resurrected, and it in fact has been made stronger as a result of this war. another argues that a two-state solution is a mirage, and does not have a basis in reality. >> so, i would actually start with the different pieces from that set of essays you mentioned. and that is a really powerful essay by -- -- , the editor of haaretz. a major israeli newspaper that has been very critical of netanyahu. and ben reminds us that netanyahu has, for the last decade or more, really staked his whole identity on his ability to oppose the creation of a palestinian state. and before october 7th, his strategy was to, as ben puts it, divide and conquer. so to, in some ways support the continuation of hamas rule in

gaza, implicitly, and i guess explicitly, while allowing the palestinian authority to govern the west bank. because that made it very very hard to envision a path to peace with palestinians. and netanyahu would say there are two different palestinian leadership, hamas opposes a two- state solution, opposes a deal with the israelis. and it is much easier for him to continue what he called conflict management, which meant not fundamentally resolving the situation, not changing the standoff between the palestinians and israelis that has existed for decades of course. and since the oslo peace accords, has not exactly seen much chance of resolution. so that was really netanyahu's approach leading up to october 7th. and the question is whether pressure from outside, whether a change in leadership in israel can change that horizon. the piece argues for the resurrection of the two-state solution, the -- resurrection of a two-state solution, as the title puts it, is by martin --

. martin has been working at this for years and years, he was integral to the oslo accords in the 1990s, during the clinton administration. and martin's argument was that the october 7th and everything that has happened since, really shows how unsustainable the reality is, and that the only way to avoid cycles of violence that continue what we have seen in the last few months, or even lead to greater regional war, something even worse than we are seeing right now. the only option is to attempt what martin fully admits is a triple -- diplomatically, but that would be a pathway to a palestinian state. the good news, to the extent there is any good news here, is that you have regional leaders like the saudis especially, also pushing in that direction. but the obstacles, when it comes to is both netanyahu, but also the palestinian leadership. you have weak palestinian leadership in the west bank, and then hamas of course, which still exists in gaza, despite bbs claims of almost being a total victory, and also opposes

a two-state solution. >> israel, as you probably saw just days ago, they plan to build more than 3000 settlements, new settlements in the israeli occupied west bank. what they say is a response to a palestinian attack, the u. s. has called the expansion of israeli settlements inconsistent with international law. and secretary of state blinken said it is counterproductive to achieving an enduring peace. to what extent can the united states continue down this path of not using the resources it has, the leverage it has, over israel, to actually get israel to change course? i mean on one hand, they are saying to the israelis, it is counterproductive, it is inconsistent with international law. they don't want an operation, but then at the same time, this particular administration and others have refused to use aid as a condition for israeli compliance, with certain policy objectives like a two-state solution. >> and you've seen key figures in the biden administration being very defensive when asked exactly that question.

i think you are starting to see glimmers of a willingness to use a little bit more public pressure. the statement from secretary blinken that you referred to about settlements is one piece of this. there were statements from -- jake sullivan today about american opposition to prime minister netanyahu's declared goal, or declared intention of continuing the operation into rafah, as you were discussing earlier. but the steps that would really signify something more, would involve putting conditions on military aid, or slow walking some of that aid, or tabling a resolution at the united nations security council, that would put the american government fully behind the recognition of a palestinian state in the near future. you've seen reticence to do that, and the first signs that there may be willingness to move in that direction, in growing frustration by washington about the way israel is carrying out this operation,

and its refusal to really talk about a path forward for the palestinians, and for the peace process after this war. so whether that will escalate, i think we will see in the coming days, the american government is also trying to pull off this very, very complicated -- negotiation for the hostages that remain in gaza. involving the government of qatar, in egypt, as well as israel. so i think that has been the focus in the near term. but once you get to some kind of resolution of the situation in gaza in the near term, and the hostages, that question about the way forward for the israeli palestinian peace process is going to be front of mind. and it's been an enormous challenge, that success of american administrations have failed at. but the cost of that failure should be clear to the americans, and to every other region right now. so, if only the grimness of that alternative, that should at least create a new impulse to at least try once again. >> all right, daniel -- it's always a pleasure, thank you so much for making time for us tonight. hopefully we'll get to talk to you some more about this, and ukraine in the coming weeks.

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and the national republican senatorial committee is also telling its candidates to come out swinging against the decision. here's what republican voters told us at the conservative political action conference, known as cpac. >> so for politicians that might be passing laws to restrict ivf, is that something that you, would speak out against? >> absolutely, one hunted percent. my own daughter lost two babies. so, it's getting emotional, but if she had to go that route, 100% support. >> why would they stop doing that for people that are having difficulties becoming pregnant? why would they make it harder, -- or not allow them to be able to have a baby? that's disturbing to me. and i'm no -- i'm pro-life, not abortion. i would not want to see a woman go through life without having children, if they so desired. it's the most beautiful thing in the world.

how could you deny a woman that? >> president biden lays the blame squarely on republicans, calling it a, quote, direct result of the overturning of roe v. wade. sources tell nbc news that the administration is in the process of crafting a policy legal and political response to the decision. with us now is congresswoman susan wild, a democrat from pennsylvania. congresswoman, it's great to see you again. let me just ask you out of the gate, what do you think that policy proposal should be from, legally speaking, politically speaking, from the biden administration? >> thank you so much for covering this. i have been waiting for this to happen since the dobbs decision came down. almost immediately afterwards, everyone was focused on what it would do to a woman's right to choose to have an abortion. my thoughts went immediately to all of the women that i know, personally, who have had ivf, who have had to have ivf in order to start their families. and i knew that the gop's position, that life begins at conception, meaning the moment

an egg is fertilized by a sperm. if that is their position, then ivf is fundamentally incompatible with that position. and i figured that out right after dobbs, and started working on this bill to protect people's right to use these wonderful reproductive assisted technologies, that are available to us now, that clearly are at risk. >> is it enough? and i assume you are talking about that, the access to family building act that you and senator tammy duckworth introduced back in january. and it essentially prohibits the limitation of access to assisted reproductive technology like ivf. that's what you're talking about, is it enough to remedy the chaos and the uncertainties in states like alabama? >> sure it is. if we could pass it at the federal level, then it supersedes the states right to outlaw ivf.

and that's exactly where we are headed. and don't let these politicians fool you, they need talking point memos from their party chairs before they can figure out that ivf is a good thing, and that it is politically popular. i've spent the last two years searching in congress for a republican co-leader for this bill. i could not find one. the one i found backed off, the minute that she started getting hate for it. and so, it's fundamentally inconsistent. they realize it is very politically unpopular, after the fact. and now, they are stuck with the consequences of their inconsistent positions. >> yeah, so what do you make of how republicans are responding to this? because on one hand, they are seeing the political reality of it, that these extreme decisions by the alabama supreme court, in addition to the overturning of roe v. wade. the overturning of roe v. wade has cost them elections in this country, we have seen that time and time again in special elections, certainly in the

congressional races back in 2022, it may cost them the presidential election as well. but then you have decisions like this as well, that is going to alienate more, and mobilize even more people against the republican party. >> that's exactly right. so i guess they've learned a lesson, in a sense. they learned what the dobbs decision did to them electorally. and now, they are starting to realize what this kind of position on ivf could also do to their chances. and i think that it is really important for people to understand, this is not just some reproductive assistance that is available to rich women who decide to defer their childbearing years. this is something that is essential for people who suffer catastrophic injuries, such as some of our veterans, who need ivf in order to conceive. this is needed by people who have cancer, and half to save their eggs before they undergo

chemotherapy. there is a whole litany of situations where ivf is the only thing that enables someone to have a child. and you know, the court in alabama, the judge who wrote that decision, frankly was just saying out loud what we know the gop thinks. which is that these decisions should not be based in science, they shouldn't be based in a woman's right to control her own body, but instead that somebody should have the ability, somebody in government should have the ability to control how we use our own bodies. and now that it is hitting right up against this very popular thing known as ivf, that enables so many people every single year to conceive a child, and to carry it to term, and to start a family.

now they are realizing just how dangerous their thinking is about this situation. >> i want to pick up on that, and the danger of what this means. really for our democracy at large. i mean, this ruling in alabama has raised concerns. i would argue, over the rise of christian nationalism within the republican party. we talked about it earlier with paul butler, the law professor from georgetown, about the actual decision, and the judge invoking religious ideology in his understanding, or his explanation of the decision. and you've got this new reporting from politico, that trump allies are preparing to infuse these kind of christian nationalists ideological ideas into his administration, should we get a second trump term. what do you think this means for our democracy, when you get a decision like this, that may on the surface appear to be just about reproductive rights or ivf, but really is about much more? >> it's a very scary thing, ayman. people need to understand that

there is a reason that this country, that our founding fathers felt the need to create a separation of church and state, in running our government. we are getting dangerously close to having religion make decisions for everyone. and it's not a question of whose religion, the point is that they literally want to frame. and by the way, speaker johnson has been very open about, if you want to know anything about any of his positions, all you have to do is look at the bible. and this is where we are headed. this is not what government in the united states of america is supposed to be. we are not supposed to be a theocracy. we are not supposed to be relying on religious principles, or beliefs. because by the way, in the united states of america, there are a whole lot of different religions and religious beliefs. not one. and so, people need to understand just how close we

are getting, to having these fundamentalist, white christian nationalists running our country. and the judge's decision in the alabama case is just saying the quiet part out loud. >> yes, it is a scary thought. and as i mentioned earlier, you would like to think that the judiciary, is the independent body that protects us from these type of politicians, not to be collaborators with these policies in advancing them through our laws. congresswoman susan wild, it is always a pleasure, thank you so much for making time for us and joining us tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> next up, the double standard of destruction. israel's bombing of gaza has erased history the world can never get back. and all of us should care about that. about that.

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city, was struck by israel in october. around 500 muslims and christians have been taking shelter, they're in at least -- were killed that, day according to palestinian health officials and the health ministry. now the strike left one of the church buildings completely destroyed, and only the grand -- mosques -- that slender tower you see here, was left standing after it was bombed in early december by israel. it was one of gaza's oldest mosques, dating back to 635 80, and it survived earthquakes and several conquests over the centuries. the mosque was also a symbol of the diverse religious history in gaza, having first serve as a pagan temple, and then a church until it was finally converted into a mosque for a muslim pet -- place of worship. there's also -- palace, which was built in the 13th century by a ruler of -- the dynasty. in historians actually say that napoleon spent three nights here in 1799, during his military campaign. and the -- museum near khan

yunis, which had a collection of about 3000 artifacts dating back to the cannon-ites, and the bronze age, which has also been badly damaged. gaza's municipal library -- in the cultural center, which hosted the meeting between president bill clinton in the plo leader yasir arrufat 25 years ago, also have been reduced to rubble. local authorities have accused the israeli army of targeting the library, along with thousands of books and documents with the city's records and history. israeli military did not address this strike on libraries, and maintain their following international law. but the 1954 hate convention agreed to by both palestinians and israelis, protects the landmarks of great importance to cultural heritage during armed conflict. it's not just these beloved historic and physical spaces that are being damaged. some of the people responsible

for creating culture, the poets, the writers, the playwrights, the artists, the musicians, also live in constant threats of losing their lives. and some half. according to a report by gaza's ministry of culture, at least 28 people in the cultural sector have been killed, and that includes renowned palestinian poet and writer -- , whose last home entitled, if i must die, has been shared widely on social media. it concludes with the words, if i must die, let it bring hope, let it be a tale. the war is also impacting a whole new generation of artists. 14-year-old scholarship student -- who writes poetry and dreamt of studying abroad before she was shot in the back by an unknown assailant last month. she still has the bullet lodged in her body to this day. she awaits treatment. and as we continue to hear about the harrowing realities of life inside of gaza, remember, we cannot separate culture from its people. they are one and the same. as 972 magazine puts it,

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