its fine for a first offense charging lsu $100,000 for this fan-driven takeout. without a way to ensure safety in situations like these, it's unclear how schools will tackle the growing problem. and we should note wake forest university's athletic director did say event staff had rehearsed post-game procedures but added clearly we must do better. back to you. >> that's a serious situation, but got to love that guy, the i don't want to be the no fun police, emilie ikeda, thank you. that does it for us today. great to have you here with us. see you back here tomorrow, same time, same place. you can always catch our show online around the clock on youtube and other platforms as well. for now i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. josé diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now. good morning, it is 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific. just moments ago nbc news learned president biden will visit the southern border later this week. the same day as former president trump. the crisis there a major issue

in the race for the white the house. meanwhile in a primary contest, focus shifts to michigan after trump easily beat nikki haley in her home state of south carolina over the weekend. haley now facing more pressure to drop out. breaking moments ago, trump appeals his more than $450 million judgment in his civil fraud trial in new york. we'll break down what that means. overseas, russia launching a new offensive in ukraine as president zelenskyy tells our richard engel delays in aid are costing ukrainian lives. back at home, we're just days away from another potential government shutdown. we've got new reporting about a high stakes meeting at the white house tomorrow. and we begin this very busy hour with breaking news from the white house. this thursday president biden is set to head to texas to meet with local officials. this will come on the same day

former president trump will also be in texas giving remarks at the border. all of this is both republicans and democrats are set to head to the polls in less than 24 hours for the presidential primaries in michigan, a key to biden's 2020 victory. >> joining us now nbc news's correspondent ali vitali, and allie raffa. allie raffa, what are we learning about the president's trip to the border this week? >> yeah, jose, good morning, well, just in the last hour, we're hearing from the white house that the president on thursday will be visiting brownsville, texas, where the white house says that he will be meeting with border patrol officials, local leaders to talk about the need to pass that bipartisan border legislation that has been stalled in congress, and as you mentioned, the timing of this is no coincidence, the former president will also be in a border city. he will be in eagle pass, texas, where on thursday we also expect him to be delivering remarks. and this is a rare visit by

president biden to the border. the last time he did visit this area was in january of last year when he visited el paso, texas, and there was some criticism out of that trip after we didn't see the president meet or engage personally with migrants while he was on the ground there, and this is coming as the president faces major pressure from both sides of the aisle to do something to curb the migrants passing through the border and this has become a political vulnerability of the president's, a vulnerability that republicans have been seizing on specifically former president trump. the white house has been arguing that they have engaged in good faith negotiations for months with lead senate negotiators to hammer out a bipartisan legislation that would have raised standards for instance, for asylum screenings, it would have processed claims at the border faster among other provisions that were included in that bill. we saw that bill get stalled with house republicans after

major pressure from former president trump. the white house as recently as this past weekend lambasting the former president for issuing that pressure. the white house putting out a video this weekend of president biden watching a clip of trump from his town hall with laura ingraham last week where the president says that he, quote, sabotaged the bipartisan border deal. no doubt this is going to be a very interesting side-by-side on thursday when you see the president and the predecessor both visiting border towns on thursday. >> ali vitali, it is no coincidence that they're both going to be at the border on the same week. the timing is important. this is a crisis that has been bubbling up for years now. why this week and what does it tell us about the role of the border issue on this election season? >> reporter: jose, this is an issue that i hear about from voters on the democratic and republican sides of the ticket

here, not only are the candidates talking about it, but certainly in each state that i go to, i find voters who say that it is one of, if not the motivating factor for them as they make their decision this coming november. the fact that we're seeing it come to a head this week i think is really important. it comes against the backdrop of everything we've seen in my other job on capitol hill, the way that former president trump seemingly told his allies on the hill and in the senate to tank any kind of bipartisan progress that they were making on the border in favor of him keeping it alive as a general election issue. but really, what this week does is try to move us into a general election posture, seeing this 2020 redux play out on the border across various parts of the state, even as nikki haley herself isprimaries. the goal of the president and his team is to ignore her out of the race. haley is trying to make that very difficult. she's campaigning here in michigan where i am today, but

then also barn storming across other states including colorado and utah and minnesota before landing in virginia on thursday. that's where she is going to be spending her day. i'm told there's no plans for her to try to catch up with the rest of the field. they are squarely running their own race here, and you can see why when you see the contests on the screen. you see her competing in places like michigan right here where they vote on tuesday in a somewhat convoluted and confusing way and then of course the washington, d.c., primary on friday, she's campaigning back in the district allowing me a chance to go home to my own bed for once, but also campaigning in a place that maybe she could notch a win, though i don't know how helpful it is in a republican primary if you say you're the outsider candidate who finds their win inside the beltway in washington, d.c. at the same time, though, i think the reality is pretty clear here on the ground among haley voters and the haley campaign, they know that this is really their last stand, their last chance to give voters an alternative to trump. while it does seem that the polling is not in their favor

and the delegate math is far from their favor too, what i see on the ground is a group of people who show up to these rallies. they are engaged and excited at the fact that they do not have to get settled back into, considering the 2020 election new in 2024. many voters saying they want haley to keep going, jose. >> ali vitali and allie raffa, thank you so much. tim miller served as the communications director for jeb bush's campaign. he's a former rnc spokesman, and victoria defrancesco soto dean of the clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas. they are both msnbc political analysts. so victoria, immaterial to get your reaction to the news from the white house the president is going to visit texas to talk to law enforcement and officials ab the southern border. what impact do you think that's going to have? >> jose, this is incredibly important. this is joe biden owning the issue of the boarder and showing that he is ready to roll up his sleeves and do. so not only is he playing

defense on the border, but he's playing offense. and strategically, this is his opportunity to say i'm trying to get things done. i'm actually trying to do things that are more conservative in nature in terms of controlling the flow at the border, but the republicans and trump in particular are not letting me. so i think really coming out forward on this issue is very important because we already know that this is an issue that former president trump is going to be strong on. remember, this is what he launched his presidential campaign bid back in 2015 on. he knows it's a winner for him, so this is an opportunity for president biden to show his strength. >> tim, what do you think, is this an opportunity for the president to take this issue head on? it's been something that so far at least, the president, the white house has been a little reluctant to do, to handle this issue directly and say what you're willing to do and not to

do. >> i don't think he has any choice, jose, i think you're right. the administration, i think reasonably, made the decision that this is an issue that tends to favor republicans in the electorate, just talking politically, not on the meits of the issue. the more they talk about it, the higher salience they make the issue, and that strategy just has not panned out, based in part of the facts on the ground and based in part on the fact that the conservative media machine, the right wing media machine is not going to let this issue be ignored. they see it as one they can use as a cudgel against this president. look, i think donald trump gave him a gift by killing this border deal and by giving him a message that he can take to voters very clearly, which is that i wanted to solve this problem. i'm trying to solve this problem. donald trump wants chaos. he likes chaos. that's a good contrast for the president, and i don't think he has any choice but to try to drive it. >> meanwhile, here's what nikki

haley said over the weekend about why she is staying in the race? >> you look at those first early states, they can say donald trump won. i give him that, but he as a republican incumbent didn't get 40% of the vote of the primary. [ cheers and applause ] >> haley has not won a single state yet. she's lost support from the koch brothers, the network backing her so far. what's pushing her, victoria, to stay in this race? >> look, she makes a great point that she got close to 40% of the vote and if we think of donald trump as an incumbent candidate, that hurt. i get her point, but i think what we saw yesterday with the koch brothers pulling their

money, that's a fatal blow. i think at this point you see one of the machines that was strongest in support of nikki haley and a trump alternative say, you know what? we're going to step back. we're throwing in the towel and is this a signal that the non-trump republicans are going to once again just hold their nose in november of 2024. so i think the event of this past weekend of the koch brothers is even a bigger finding than the fact that she got close to 40% of the vote on saturday. >> tim, jeb bush i think south carolina was the last state that he was in before he pulled out. the fact that trump, though, who's a former president is only getting about 60% of support in the gop primary, what kind of warning signs do you think that is for trump? >> yeah, i mean, in 2016 i think this was a different argument. we were trying to narrow the

field to give trump more of a one on one. the field's already been narrowed. it's only nikki and trump. i do think it's a sign of weakness. here's what the main sign to me is, there is a big group of republican voters that are messageable and gettable for the biden campaign if they get out and try. among voters who think the economy is good, 88% went for haley. among voters who think joe biden won legitimately in 2020. 82% went from haley. so if you're the biden campaign, you can look at that huge chunk of voters and say, hey, if we can talk to them about how it's been our work on the economy that's helping it. that donald trump lied about the 2020 election, that you can't trust him. that's kind of an open door to potentially persuade some of those voters, and they're going to frankly be the key voters among the key voters to determine who wins this election in november. i think that's a useful exercise for biden, even if it's not enough people to get haley a win. >> tim miller and victoria

defrancesco soto, it's great seeing you, i thank you both so very much. still ahead, what's next now that former president trump is appealing the judge's ruling in new york's civil fraud trial. we're back in 60 seconds. you're watching "josé diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. one breath... ...can delight them all. protect yourself against rsv... ...with pfizer's abrysvo a vaccine to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. it's not for everyone and may not protect all who receive it. don't get abrysvo if you've had an allergic... ...reaction to its ingredients. a weakened immune system may decrease your response.

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you know that that judgment that came out last friday takes the award from the original decision and adds the pre-judgment interest to it to a total against all defendants of $464 million. the appeals that trump filed this morning or the notices of appeal are typically accompanied by bonds that litigants will post in order to stay enforcement of the judgment, which means preventing the other party from seizing assets or trying to enforce that dollar figure against you. what we don't see yet is any indication that donald trump or his co-defendants have posted such a bond. if anything, it appears that they are trying to figure out how to reduce the dollar figure that would be required of them on a bond before they secure that financing. we're looking to see what's going to happen next. without that bond, there is no stay and interest continues to accrue, jose. >> so how does something like -- i mean, what are the options for

the former president on a bond like this? >> well, usually what you can do is you can either find an insurance company to post a bond for you and that entails giving that company let's say 10 to 20% of the judgment as well as some collateral. the other option is that you put up the money yourself. you may ask where is donald trump going to get $464 million and counting from? of course that entire award's not against him, but at least 453 plus right now are his to handle. one vehicle for him might be to take additional loans. he's not, for example, under the judgment allowed to borrow money from financial institutions that are based in new york or regulated by new york state, but he might be able to do so from other lenders outside the country as well as cut sort of an unusual deal. you could see a situation where donald trump says to someone, hey, you can have some equity in my companies or my building in exchange for giving me cash that i need to satisfy these bonds or these judgments right now.

that's one other option for the former president that might be on the table, jose. >> lisa rubin, thank you so very much. great seeing you. >> very welcome, good seeing you too. up next, we'll break down new claims that russian opposition leader alexei navalny was due to be released in a prisoner exchange days before his unexpected death. new details on a meeting between congressional leaders and president biden tomorrow to try and avoid a government shutdown. you're watching "josé diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. ée diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. this reminds me of my bike. the wolf was about the size of my new motorcycle. have you seen it, by the way? happy birthday, grandma! really? look how the brushstrokes follow the line of the gas tank. -hey! -hey! brought my plus-one. jamie? breathing claritin clear is like... (♪♪) is he? confidently walking 8 long haired dogs

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21 past the hour, we are following breaking news. just moments ago hungary's parliament voted in favor of ratifying sweden's application to join the nato alliance. today's vote ends two years of diplomatic efforts to make sweden the 32nd member of nato. sweden applied to join in may of 2022, just months after russia launched its full-scale invasion of ukraine. meanwhile, this morning there is a new allegation surrounding the death of russian opposition leader alexei navalny. according to one of his allies, navalny was days away from being freed in a prisoner swap when he died in a russian prisoner colony. he was set to be released along with two u.s. nationals in exchange for a russian security officer currently imprisoned in germany. german government spokespeople tell us they cannot comment on the allegation. nbc news has not been able to

confirm the reporting. on the ground in ukraine, president zelenskyy sat down with nbc news's richard engel to mark two years since russia's full-scale invasion. here's part of their conversation. >> mr. president, i just returned from several areas along the front line in the south and in the east. >> yeah. >> and soldiers there told me they have to ration their ammunition. they don't have enough weapons to advance. they can only defend themselves, in some cases they're losing territory. what happens to your country if this american aid doesn't arrive? >> we will lose a lot of people. we will lose territories. united states focused on deny also on interior questions, political questions, you know, election period, and that's why it's a little slow, but the

answer is if to give us strong package in one time, our steps will be more strong on the battlefield. we will lose less people, and we will win. >> richard engel joins us now from kyiv. it's great seeing you. what perception did you get out of that interview with the president? >> reporter: so he came off quite relaxed. he seemed generally upbeat as i've seen him in the past. this was our fifth meeting since this war has begun, and so he seemed personally on a personal level to do quite well. he said his family is doing well. he asked about mine. he was very sociable, he didn't seem stressed in a way that you might expect. the fact that he did this interview. the fact that he is holding a conference now with his entire government trying to appeal to the world that this is an

inflection point, that 2024 is going to be a year of change. that was something that he stressed to me, that this is a reboot that they need now, a new influx of arms, aid, but also of political support, of moral support. he says one of the hardest things that they have had to face wasn't just the lack of weapons, but it was also the world turning its attention away because of events in the middle east, and he believes that staying in the public eye is very important because, as you heard in that clip, he really believes that the most important thing he can do is reach out to people directly because they may have the power to change their political leadership and keep it, he hopes, in the favor of ukraine. >> and richard, you know, i was struck by your comments with the president about how you at the front lines were speaking to troops saying that they're rationing their ammunition, and they really don't see offensive weapons being part of their arsenal going forward.

i mean, this is really critical times, richard. >> it certainly is, and there's a russian offensive that began in october, which is intensifying now, which is designed specifically to take advantage of the lack of supplies. because it's not just that the ukrainians have suddenly run out of weapons. they've been using them. there was this much wanted offensive that ukraine launched, and they launched an offensive in several locations along the south and in the east. the offensive was not successful. they did not advance the front lines, but they did expend a lot of ammunition. they did use resources. they held their positions, and now the russians are launching an offensive of their own, a counterattack, and president zelenskyy expects that it will get particularly intense over the next two months. >> richard engel in kyiv, thank you very much. good to see you. joining us now from ukraine is michael ka poe knee, founder and

president of the miami-based global empowerment mission, that helps feed those in need. it's good to see you. i know you're actually on the way to a part of ukraine right now. i appreciate you taking the time to be with us. we're now past two years into this war. what are the conditions that you're seeing there today? >> yeah, thank you for having me, jose. you know, we've been on the ground here serving the front lines with over 200 trucks per month literally every single o'blast. i'm in zaporizhzhia right now. we just had our driver, for example, finally get his mother out of the occupied part of zaporizhzhia for one year now. she was just telling us how everybody on that other side there really wants to be ukrainian. it's such an important message, you know, for people to do that because this war, just imagine

that in miami china took miami and not fort lauderdale. that's kind of like where the line is right now, right? so there's people that are like stuck on one side that don't want to be there, and then there's the other people that, you know, may have, you know, a very dangerous neighbor right on the edge there very soon if, you know, more of what you guys are talking about doesn't occur. so it's just a really tricky situation. we're only focused on the humanitarian, you know, portion of it, of course, as a nonprofit. so our job is to bring, you know, food, hygiene, all different kinds of things like that to people. >> and what kinds of needs are you seeing so desperate right now? >> so out in the front line villages, we serviced about a thousand of them already with over 3,000 trucks, right? everything's blown out. it's a war zone, so there's no

electricity. there's no power, there's no stores for anything, but there's still people there in their homes, lots of people actually. and if you don't bring those people just basic necessities from a blanket to, you know, warm clothing to food, hygiene, water, things like that, you know, they wouldn't be able to survive and if they weren't able to survive out there, they'd probably walk for miles and miles and then they would just abandon that whole entire area, and it would be like if everybody just left miami, for example, because china was coming to take it, right? so they're playing a role too by like just putting their foot down and saying, you know, this is our country. we're not going anywhere, and they're staying in the freezing cold, it's very cold out here these winters, and they're just making, you know, a very strong stance that they do not want to give up their land, just like we wouldn't in the united states. >> and michael, what is it that you're seeing as far as for you and your organization and other

organizations that are going in and helping in such very difficult, critical times? what are the biggest obstacles you're finding in your organization to get more aid in? >> yeah, i mean, we had to come up with major infrastructure and different methods. for example, we grow our own food here in ukraine. we basically pay farmers. it's much more cost effective, reduces imports, right, saves on shipping costs so we grow the food here. we package it in kyiv, and then we have all these trucks that go out to the front lines every day. it's a gigantic need. then we have, you know, basically missiles every single day that are blowing out buildings all throughout the country, not just on the front line. so we put a couple window factories back in -- this is all in partnership with howard g. buffet foundation and we produced about 100,000 windows so far that we've already installed. so every time you see, you know,

a big missile hit a building, the buildings next to that building, all their windows blow out. those people immediately become internally displaced. people or refugees, they'd be coming to america or coming to europe. and by immediately preparing their windows, right, it keeps them back into their homes, which is their choice in what they want. so we have all different kinds of programs from windows to rebuilding schools. we've built about 357 different projects so far since the war started, but you know, it's -- got to find a happy situation here for everybody, right? because this has been just flat now for over a year, right? russia has, in my view, you know, if they gained, you know, two little territories, they lost three. it's flat, right? it's going nowhere. it's just like stuck right now. so we just fight for the people

and make sure they have what they need to be able to survive. >> michael, i thank you very much. it's always a pleasure speaking with you. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. nch and by the way, nbc news is confirming reports that we have been telling you about earlier in this hour that alexei navalny that was being held in a prison in siberia by the russian regime and who died unexpectedly was, in fact, about to be released in a prisoner swap. a couple of days after the unexpected death of navalny. we'll have much more on this as we get more information, but that is right now what we're able to confirm at this hour. up next, shutdown showdown, how lawmakers are scrambling to avert another partial government shutdown just days away. we're talking about friday night. and as president biden gets ready to head to the border in

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a western official tells nbc news that no formal offer had been made but early discussions involving an exchange for navalny and u.s. citizens were currently underway when navalny passed, that's more information on this case that we have been reporting throughout the day. and now to capitol hill where the clock is ticking for congress to avert a partial government shutdown at the end of this week. the senate is set to return from recess today, but the house won't be back until wednesday. funding for certain government programs are going to expire late friday night, while funding if the rest of the federal government will expire on the 8th of march. tomorrow president biden will meet with top congressional leaders at the white house to discuss funding and a bill that would provide money for ukraine, israel, and taiwan. nbc's julie tsirkin joins us from capitol hill. good morning. so just days left until at least

part of the government shuts down. is there any movement to try and avert this? >> reporter: jose, movement, yes, is it moving at a snail's pace, also yes. you really have days left, but the house isn't back until wednesday. they're likely going to go first ver attempt it is to pass bills, which have yet to be released or pass a stopgap funding measure that i'm told speaker johnson floated on a friday night phone call with members of his conference to try and bridge the gap between this deadline and the next to give appropriaors more time to work through all of these measures, ones that conservatives, hard-liners are putting pressure on johnson to stay strong to include some of those poison pills that democrats have been talking about. some even related to abortion restrictions in the funding bills. all in all, you saw a dear colleague letter from leader schumer. you saw one followed by speaker johnson there. johnson wants to keep his job, so certainly all of this threatens that.

>> it obviously threatens that, and it's just like the clock is ticking, i know, julie, and every time we've done this, it's always the everything is until the last possible second. but it just seems as though there doesn't seem to be a lot of potential progress, at least on the house side on this. >> reporter: that's exactly right. not on the funding bill, and not on that supplemental either, that foreign aid package you were talking about that president biden called everyone over to the white house tomorrow to meet on, but both of these items are really dire. they are must pass, obviously congress has been in this place before, jose. you've pointed it out. our viewers are tired of seeing that shutdown clock on their screens. congress leaves their homework, leaves their studies for the day before the final. you have dire needs not anl at home, but also abroad in ukraine. tomorrow's meeting certainly will be pivotal, whether

anything comes of that is another question entirely. >> up next why border patrol agents are releasing hundreds of migrants onto the city streets of san diego with no plans and no resources. plus, congressional hispanic caucus member greg casar joins us with how the group is warning president biden about going republican lite on border policy. it's great to see you, we'll chat in just a minute. you're watching "josé diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. ée diaz-balart reports" on msnbc.

42 past the hour, new details today as we learn that president biden and donald trump will travel to the border separately on thursday. this comes as more cities in the u.s. are struggling to accommodate a growing number of migrant migrants. on friday hundreds were dropped off at a bus stop in san diego, instead of being taken to a reception area because it ran out of local aid sooner than expected. in the last four months, there has been a 182% increase of migrant encounters. in tucson, arizona, in

comparison to last year. in san diego, there was a 73% increase. nbc's el win lopez joins us. good morning, how did this happen? >> reporter: look, jose, it mostly comes down to a few things and lack of money is a big one here, especially as it pertains to that situation you were mentioning in san diego, those hundreds of migrants would typically arrive at a staging area. that's where they could use a bathroom, figure out their next steps, charge their phones. that staging area was run by a nonprofit that ran out of money sooner than they expected to. without a spot to go, you saw hundreds of migrants from all over as far as china and as close as mexico arriving in droves at bus stops, other nonprofits jumped in to help offering transportation and water to folks. some of them unsure of where they were, a bit disoriented as you can imagine, but relieved to be in the u.s. because some of them say they are fleeing political chaos and crime. take a listen.

>> reporter: and that's what a lot of these migrants are hoping for, a new beginning, and one of that is uncertain, not just for them but for the country. we know that there was a bipartisan senate bill on the table. that was shot down by republicans earlier this month who were not willing to free up funds without sweeping changes to immigration policies. and now we know that president biden is exploring several options including executive action. the bottom line is that the pressure is high, and we still don't have a solution on the table, so images like the one we

saw over the weekend are likely to continue, jose. >> elwyn lopez, thank you so very much. appreciate it. president biden's handling of the humanitarian crisis at the southern border has sparked tension with some of his fellow democrats. the congressional hispanic caucus is upset at the white house for excluding its members from border security talks on capitol hill. as the biden administration prepares to take executive action to deal with the crisis, that tension is growing. caucus members are calling on the white house not to give in to hard line gop demands on border security and immigration. democratic texas congressman greg casar told punch bowl, i don't think the biden administration was going to get any credit for going republican lite on immigration. we're never going to be halfway on the issue of immigration. it's great to see you. i very much appreciate your time. nbc news has confirmed that president biden is going to be traveling to brownsville on thursday to meet with border patrol agents, law enforcement and others. he will also discuss the need to

pass the bipartisan senate border security agreement, which is pretty much dead at the house. what do you make of this decision to visit the border, and what do you want to see from him? >> jose, thanks so much for having me on, and i think it's really good for president biden to be in texas and be on the border because we have to tackle the issue of immigration head on, and as you just reported a little bit earlier, the case of san diego and so many other places are exactly an example of how republicans are the arsonists here trying to make the immigration system as unruly and disorderly as they can so they can campaign on it, and then they want to try to blame democrats, the firefighters, for the flames that those very republican arsonists have set, and so i think it's important for the president to tackle this head on. but we should have a message about how immigration can be good for this country, and good for our economy and good for our culture, not that immigration is bad, and that's where i hope that more voices from the

congressional hispanic caucus can be heard. we can handle immigration in a way that is safe, legal, orderly, and humane and beneficial for the country, not something we should be scared of. >> what did you mean when you told "punchbowl news" that we're never going to be halfway on the issue of immigration? >> what i meant -- and i don't know if the quote was exactly spot on from that news outlet, but at the end of today, what i mean is that if the choices for voters is an anti-immigrant policy from the republican party and a somewhat anti-immigrant policy from democrats, then people will just choose the real thing, the real antiimmigrant policy, and that is not good for the country. it doesn't actually solve the issue of immigration, democrats should own immigration as a good thing, but something that we need to manage and something, you know, where we need to be able to integrate people in a legal and orderly fashion, and republican policies that they're trying to push right now is to

end legal pathways to migration, they want folks to have to come here undocumented. they want things to be disorderly, and we should call them out on that and own the issue of immigration as a positive thing rather than going republican lite on the issue. >> and you know, congressman i've spoken to democratic senators, senator of california to members of the congressional hispanic caucus and so many of them feel as though they have a voice and a certain perspective and knowledge that really is not being utilized, right, by anyone. i mean, they're just not being called to the table on this. i'm just wondering, congressman, so what is the way to handle the humanitarian crisis at the border? and i want you to speak to all of us about what are the things that you think are positive and could result in something positive happening from this? what do we need to do?

>> jose, that's exactly the question that we should be talking about. my district that stretches from travis county down to san antonio is about an hour and a half, two hours from the border, and we benefit from integrating migrants and having a culturally diverse and economically diverse state. we have to be owning that issue. but there are real challenges, so as you pointed out, we've seen a surge in migration, and we want people to not be displaced from their home countries. we don't want people to have to leave, and so we need to better support people in latin america. we dedicate so little of our time and resources and political energy to supporting economies in latin america. we have to do that. we need to take a look at some of the sanctions we put in place on latin american countries latin american countries because oftentimes, we are starving people in latin america rather than actually hitting the failed political leaders in those places. sometimes we're just helping displace people by our own policy. finally, we need to give legal

status and work permits to people who are coming here and have been here for decades because the nonpartisan congressional budget office just said this most recent surge in migration is going to add $7 trillion to the economy. we should give folks work permits. the ability for people to come here legally and not have to pay the cartels. the current policy, closing to migration, is disorderly and helps the cartels. >> in many ways, establishing immigration policy because they're the ones that decide, the cartels, where people can go through, how much they charge people, when they charge people. so much of it is in their hands which is so terrifying. thank you so much for being with us. i really appreciate it and let's continue our conversation going forward. >> we absolutely should. thank you, jose. >> up next, the former fbi informant at the heart of the biden impeachment inquiry is

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the former fbi informant charged with fabricating the scheme is scheduled to appear in court. he was rearrested last week because the judge argued he

would likely flee the country. joining us now is david outside the courthouse and frank, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence and and nbc news national security analyst. david, what can we expect from court today? >> reporter: the main thing we can expect to learn is whether he will be detained. we could also get more details about him himself because she's a fairly mysterious, shadowy figure. he's a dual citizen of the united states and israel. beyond that, we're just trying to get details about who he is as a person. there's the question of his purported connections to russian intelligence. that's going to be important to pay attention to moving forward. prosecutors say he, for example, told the fbi in addition to this fabricated alleged bribery scheme, that russian intelligence officials told him there were recordings of hunter

biden in a hotel room in kyiv. so this is i think the larger question we should keep many mind. how real exactly are the connections that he has to russian intelligence and to what extent are they just another example of his exaggerations because again, prosecutors are portraying him in court filings as a serial liar with self-grandizing tendencies. these are the sorts of things we should be paying attention to as this case moves forward. >> thank you very much. frank, how unusual is it for him to be rearrested, for example, in this? i mean, what do you see when you see this? >> i see real concern on the part of doj prosecutors, jose, that this guy is a flight risk and a danger to all of us in the terms of the propaganda and his connections. look, this is a guy we really

can't pin down on even where he lives at any given time. there's little reporting on where he was born. he's got access to israeli passport even though they took his passports, he can walk into an israeli consulate and get another one. he's got access to over $6 million. all he says to them is i'm in securities. so the hearing today is about locking this guy down. and the fact that he continues to spout russian intelligence information. that means he could be at risk himself if the russian intelligence services want him dead or want him silenced. so that's what today is about. getting him locked down and rejecting what the las vegas magistrate did. >> as this new filing from prosecutors alleges that he is quote, actively peddling new lies from russia that could impact u.s. elections. nbc news is reporting that cyber experts say russia is already spreading disinformation about this year's election. national security adviser jake

sullivan addressed the issue on "meet the press." let's listen to what he had to say. >> i can't speak to evidence today but i can tell you of course there are concerns. there's a history here in presidential elections by the russian federation, by its intelligence services. there's plenty of reason to be concerned. this is not about politics. this is about national security. >> how serious, frank, do you think we should take these concerns? >> there's no question that as with the past, putin and let's not isolate this to russia. and other adversarial nations want to assist trump, but more importantly, want to mess generally with the american election and sew doubt and chaos and they seem like they've already started it. not only with this case, but online, we're seeing more reports of more bots and russian trolls than ever. particularly on the issue of

aiding ukraine or not. they're targeting us, congress. they're doing to europe with regard to the ukrainian aid issue. so add into this artificial intelligence, deep fake images and videos and we're in for perhaps a record amount of mis and disinformation and propaganda in this election. >> frank, thank you so much. appreciate it. that wraps up this hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can reach me on social media. you can watch clips from the show on youtube at msnbc.com/jdb. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news now. clean sweep. donald trump's double digit win in south carolina denies nikki haley a win in her home state as the former president charges toward the nomination and control of the republican party. still, nikki haley refusing to step aside. >> wow. that is