it's good to be back with you for this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, it's time for the next generation. that's the message from mitch mcconnell as he announces today that he'll soon step down as senate republican leader. how capitol hill is reacting. taking a stand in alabama, patients, doctors and families come together after a controversial court decision threatening ivf.

dramatic new video at the "rust" trial, what the armorer told police about alec baldwin and about loading the gun before a deadly shooting. and a hospital visit reviving concerns about pope francis. what we know about the health of the 87-year-old pontiff. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with that big breaking news about mitch mcconnell. nbc's garrett haake is reporting from capitol hill so you've had a little bit of time to gauge reaction. what are you hearing from folks? >> reporter: the word consequential keeps coming up here, whether you liked mitch mcconnell or hated him, and the opinions certainly span that spectrum on capitol hill. no one in either party can deny the enormous effect he's had not just on this institution but also on the judiciary and the supreme court, which he almost single handedly help donald trump remake by holding up the appointment of merrick garland back in 2015 now, 2016. his legacy here will be lengthy,

and that's part of what we're hearing from people. listen to what our team said about mcconnell. >> his tenure as leader will be remembered not just for his his -- historic longevity, but also his unparalleled devotion to this great institution, which he has always defend ed. >> this is a significant development for the senate. it will be a big change. he's been the longest serving republican caucus leader, i believe in history. so this is a big moment for the senate. >> reporter: one of the reasons it will be a big change, when he wanted to, mitch mcconnell was effective working across the aisle. the democratic leader put out a few minutes ago which reads in part that he very rarely saw eye

to eye with leader mcconnell when can came to his politics. i am very proud that we both came together in the last few years to lead the senate forward at critical moments when our country needed us, like passing the cares act in the early days of the covid pandemic and recently coming together to fund ukraine. key policy and political moments there where mcconnell worked with democrats on issues that it's not entirely certain that his successor, whomever that will end up being will do. so the senate at very much a pivot point here, and it will be fascinating to see over the next couple of months how republicans decide they want to be led going forward. >> garrett haake, thank you so much. now to alabama where patients, doctors and family advocates are rallying against the state supreme court's decision that frozen embryos are children. nbc's kathy park is on the ground in birmingham for us. what are you hearing there? >> reporter: hey there, chris, good afternoon to you.

well, i have been hearing some real heartbreaking stories of infertility and how a lot of these women, the only option to expand their families is to go through ivf, and obviously with this recent ruling from the state supreme court, things are just in limbo. the rally wrapped up earlier this morning but dozens, in fact, hundreds of ivf patients, providers, advocates actually walked into the state house earlier today, sat down with these lawmakers, tried to get one on one with them so that they understand exactly the ivf process and exactly what they're going through. here's that message. take a listen. >> i have a beautiful baby boy born through ivf and through the talented, talented doctors in this state so i'm here today for myself and for other women and families but especially for the doctors. i want to make sure that they are offered the ability to continue to do their job, and help families everywhere to

create that family that they want. >> reporter: and, chris, we also heard from physicians, providers who have had the very difficult task of contacting each of their patients, telling them that their embryo transfer has now been canceled or that their ivf cycle can't even begin because of this gray area. there's so many questions with this ruling. in more hopeful news, both republicans as well as democrats have presented separate legislation hoping to preserve ivf in the state, but still a lot of questions that are still unanswered at this point. a lot that is still being decided. but we are told that the committee hearings will be taking place this afternoon. it's unclear, exactly, whether they will vote today or maybe it's next week. the governor has singled when the bill hits her desk, he'll likely move quickly on that. >> kathy park, thank you. now to the trust trial where

the first assistant director is expected to take the stand today. nbc's dana griffin is in santa fe following this for us. i know they have gone on lunch break. what have we heard at the trial so far today? >> reporter: chris, i got to say this has probably been one of the most damaging days of court for the defendant because the detective in this case says that hannah gutierrez-reed's story changed from that first interview the day of the shooting to three weeks later. and she also says that hannah gutierrez-reed possibly kept those live rounds, not live rounds, those dummy rounds in her pocket, even though she got them out of a box. maybe the most incriminating thing came from gutierrez-reed's own mouth, including she had never seen that ammo box before, and took at least one round and loaded it in the baldwin revolver. she also admitted to shaking the box and they do that because it releases, gives off an audible rattle.

that's how you know it's dummy rounds, but it's her job to individually check each round before loading it into a weapon. she also admitted that she was not able to do that last check before that gun went. listen. >> i was going to come back and whenever alec got there, but alec got there. no one called me in. i wasn't able to do that last check before alec got it because i had no idea that the gun had been handed off. >> reporter: now, hannah handed that weapon to first assistant director dave halls who handed that weapon to baldwin. she later found out the box of ammo had a mix of dummy and live rounds, and live ammunition is never allowed on a movie set for this particular reason. dave halls, who was also criminally charged in this case, he took a plea deal and got six months probation is expected to testify today. we expect to hear from him

sometime this afternoon. chris. >> dana griffin, thank you. pope francis was back in the hospital today as he deals with the flu. he is now out. but nbc's keir simmons has the latest on his health for us. >> reporter: good day to you. this is going to worry many catholics around the world and other folks who love pope francis, news that he has attended the hospital again today for a ct scan, according to reports. a quick visit, but it has people worried because he had to have an aide read a speech for him at the general audience today after telling people there that he was suffering from a cold. the vatican saying over the weekend that he was suffering from flu like symptoms, and now saying after the general audience, pope francis went to the hospital for some diagnostic tests. at the end, he returned to the vatican, but of course pope francis has been suffering from health complaints in recent years.

in 2021, he underwent abdominal surgery, and just late last year, he had to cancel a trip to the cop climate, something he wanted to do. he's been sick than he appears. he's 87 years old. he's missing part of a lung that was removed when he was a young man. consistent challenges with respiratory illnesses, like colds, like flus, this is cold and flu season in rome, and yet, pope francis, being pope francis, has continued to meet many many people. he does pick up these bugs. it does worry people, but so far, as i said in the statement, he's back at the vatican, perhaps in people's prayers a little bit more today. >> keir simmons, thank you. in 60 seconds, more on the political shock waves going through capitol hill. what will happen to the republican party's leadership when senator mitch mcconnell

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and former republican congressman, carlos curbelo is an msnbc political analyst. chuck, help us understand what really happened here? use your keen eye to read between the lines or share with us from what you may have learned in conversations you had in the last hour since he made this announcement. >> this is very unshocking news. you know, look, the fact of the matter is he was losing his grip on the conference. you just saw it with the border bill. right? this was something he insisted on trying to get ukraine funding and the border done together, and usually when mitch mcconnell insists on this is the way it's going to be done. this is the republican point of view, james langford is our point person, there's no debate. well, not this time, and he lost it. and so look, he had been challenged for his position in a way he had never been challenged before at the start of the first congress. he does not see eye to eye with the trump wing of the party.

he and nikki haley, you know, nikki haley did an interview the other day where she acknowledged that, yes, she feels out of step in donald trump's republican party. well, she and mitch mcconnell are very much in step, and i think this is mcconnell not just acknowledging how many years he's served but, you know, this is not his party. and if donald trump's the next president, he's not going to want to have mitch mcconnell run in the senate republicans. >> yeah, multiple times, carlos, he brought up the shining city on the hill, and ronald reagan, the respect both he and his wife, who served, by the way, in the trump cabinet, have for the late president. so what now, and what will the jockeying for power for the void that mitch mcconnell will leave tell us about this republican party? >> so, chris, i agree with chuck. this isn't shocking news, but it's really big news. i mean, the space that mitch mcconnell has filled in the

united states congress for all of these years is just very difficult to overstate. i can tell you from my time serving in the house, when house republicans back then would get in a jam, not as frequently as they do today, but we got into plenty of jams ourselves, people would always look at each other and say, don't worry, mitch mcconnell will save us. this is a man who people have trusted, who people have respected as an institutionalist, regardless of whether you agree or not with his politics. what happens next? there's the three johns. i think the good news for those who like the way mcconnell carried himself as leader is that these three leaders that are underneath him, john cornyn, john barrasso and i'm forgetting -- john thune of south dakota, they were kind of -- they kind of grew up in mcconnell world, and they are similar to him in many ways. now, for sure they're going to have more of a populist streak.

they're going to be more aligned with donald trump and his movement than mcconnell was, but i still think we'll see a senate leadership that is significantly different, a bit more mature, more sober than house republican leadership. >> i think the obviously thing, chuck, that a lot of people are looking at are those three johns, but what is maybe the less obvious, are we going to start seeing people making pilgrimages to mar-a-lago? who's going to really decide who's legitimately up for this job? >> well, let's see if donald trump can win the presidency. i mean, you're making a point here. if he wins the presidency, then, yes, donald trump is going to have a huge say and sway, and i think you're right. i wouldn't, then, under that circumstance, the only john who i think has a remote chance is burasso in that scenario.

if the republicans win the senate, they've favored to do it, i could see him. mitch mcconnell was nrc chair before he became whip and eventually leader. this is being the chair of the campaign committee is certainly a stepping-stone into doing that. that could be somebody. i definitely think it's going to be somebody that's closer to the maga world. if trump's elected president, it is going to be trump's choice. but if he loses, that doesn't mean it's going to be john thune or john cornyn, right, then i think john barrasso makes the most sense, good at 1 foot in maga world and 1 foot in establishment world. >> let's talk about the possibility that donald trump doesn't win the presidency, that joe biden gets reelected, he just made comments, the first we've heard from him about this decision, this announcement by

mitch mcconnell, and he said, he and i have trust. we've got a great relationship. we fight like hell and he never, never, never misrepresented anything. i'm sorry to hear he's stepping down. what would this potentially mean for joe biden? >> well, certainly if president biden gets reelected, he would like to see or he'd prefer to see someone more like mitch mcconnell. i mean, it's not a big secret that mitch mcconnell and joe biden have a good relationship, that they cut a number of deals when they were in the senate, and then of course when joe biden was president obama's vice president, and i do think if biden does get reelected, if he defeats donald trump, then candidates like john thune, and john cornyn do have a chance. remember, this is always a secret ballot vote. people don't actually have to say who they voted for, so that makes it easier for these candidates that are more aligned

with the establishment to win these internal party elections. when it's a wide open vote, that's when it gets more complicated because a lot of these republican elected officials don't want to get sideways with their base. >> chuck todd, great to have you on the program with the breaking news. carlos, you're going to stick around. coming up, one of the biggest wildfires in texas history is burning acrosses panhandle, totally uncontrolled. the fight to get it in check. etk panhandle, totally uncontrolled. the fight to get it in check. panhandle, totally uncontrolled. the fight to get it in check. panhandle, totally uncontrolled. the fight to get it in check. t panhandle, totally uncontrolled. the fight to get it in check. he panhandle, totally uncontrolled. the fight to get it in check. le. the fight to get it in check

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closed door deposition just got back underway after a lunch break. he's been testifying since 10:00 a.m. as part of house republicans' impeachment inquiry to the president. things have gotten heated at times, and there were some curfuffles. joining us is jared moskowitz of florida who just left the room where the hearing is taking place, a member of the oversight committee. what can you tell us, congressman, about what's going on in that room behind closed doors so far? >> i mean, it is boring, chris. we have not heard one new question, not one new shred of evidence. everything i have heard i have heard on newsmax before or on social media. some of the information relying on informants who have been

indicted, two in fact, one chinese foreign agent. the air has been sucked out of their balloon. i'm here, quite frankly, just to pay my respects because this is clearly the death of joe biden impeachment inquiry, fake, frivolous, faux investigation that they opened. you know, this should be the last of it because, you know, after four, five hours of this right now, there is no new evidence that joe biden had anything to do with hunter biden's business dealings. >> so did you witness any of what our sources say were car a what are the arguments about? >> it's been tame, cordial, and professional and respectful, not what you see on the oversight committee. yeah, there's been a couple of moments where, you know, some members interrupt and the room shouts them down, but actually it's been very professional.

hunter biden has been doing a very good job answering the questions they're asking. they may not like his answers, of course, but i got to be honest, it's kind of a big nothing. i really think this is the end of this. this thing is dead, rigmorrigmo should set in, and we should move to a different topic. >> nancy mace has a different perspective of what's happening in the room. >> hunter biden is being defiant and dishonest, and his testimony, some of it is in direct conflict with other witnesses. >> she's probably not alone in thinking they're getting something, so what makes you think that this is dead? >> yeah, his testimony in direct conflict with a guy who's been indicted for spreading russian disinformation, so, yes, what hunter is saying is different than the russian misinformation that republicans have been

peddling on the 1023 forum. so, yes, i agree with nancy mace there that what hunter is saying than, again, the misinformation they were getting from the russians. we have total agreement with me and representative mace. >> he of course denies that, and he is going to be going to trial on those very accusations, but let me ask you some process stuff, if i can, congressman. today's deposition is not being video taped, just by that having happened for some other witnesses, and there have been, as i understand it, negotiations over transcript release to avoid leaks. what can you tell us for members of the public who want to read this and make their own assessment about what that process has looked like and what you think is going to happen here in letting the public know what happened behind closed doors. >> yeah. well, chris, you might remember, i argued vigorously for hunter biden to testify in public. in fact, that was chairman comer's invitation.

said it twice on television that hunter biden could come to a deposition or a hearing, whichever he chooses. and when hunter called their bluff and said, okay, i'll come to a hearing, and actually showed up to a hearing, they ran away from that, because they don't want the american people to hear the information. the transcript is going to come out. they have agreed, for the transcript to come out pretty quickly, so the american people are going to see that the stuff they have been peddling, my colleagues have been peddling is not true and not accurate. remember, this is not about impeaching joe biden. they don't have the votes for that. this is about spreading misinformation from the russians, in order to hurt joe biden's poll numbers. this is not about hunter. we're here under the joe biden inquiry. that's how they're doing, and again, after over a year of this, no evidence that joe biden had anything to do with hunter biden's business dealings. the end. and so far, five hours later, they've not laid one glove to get any information that joe

biden had anything to do with what hunter biden did. look, hunter biden is in trouble. he's going to have to deal with that. this has nothing to do with joe biden's presidency. >> you know, republicans on the oversight committee put out a document. they claimed to have traced payments from chinese companies to joe biden. they even put out a chart saying they've built a record of evidence revealing thousand joe biden knew how he was involved, how he benefitted, is there any of this coming up? any of the democrats having an opportunity to refute this, and can it be refuted point by point by point? >> yeah, it's good to see my colleagues across the aisle now hoe to make a time line within power point. that doesn't make what they put on it true. again, some of that evidence came from disinformation from the two informants that have now been indicted, and the nonsense that was on this 1023 form. they are still asking the

questions. hunter is giving them answers. again, they may not like the answers but hunter is giving them the truth. this is the first time, remember, that they're sitting across from hunter biden and they're able to do this, rather than just talking to the camera and giving a one-sided skewed viewpoint, and so, look, it's good that we've gotten to this point. hunter biden deserves his day to say the truth, but it is not going well for my colleagues across the aisle, nor has this entire process gone on well because if it was, it would be having more hearings. as you can see, chairman comer isn't scheduling these things anymore, because he's so good at holding these hearings, which is why he's not doing them anymore. >> thank you for taking the time, appreciate it. city officials in amarillo, texas, gave a critical update on the massive wildfires tearing through the panhandle. >> terrain is rough. so it is making for a hard fight. i do want to say and there's --

i can't say this enough -- the sheer ability for our firefighters here locally to do what they did over the last 48 hours is extreme. >> yeah, we are seeing hellish scenes like this one, north of amarillo. video captured by the texas a&m forest service. of the largest fire burning through the state and through half a million acres. i want to bring in program specialist for wildfire prevention with that forest service at texas a&m. heather gonzalez, thank you so much for being with us. what's the situation on the ground right now? >> thank you. thank you for having me. currently there are five active wildfires within the panhandle region. the largest of which is the one you just discussed, the smoke house creek fire. it is currently at 500,000 acres, and 0% containment. there is also the windy deuce fire, which is at 90,000 acres

and 25% containment. the grapevine creek fire, which is at 30,000 acres and 60% containment, the magenta fire, 2,000 acres, 40% containment, and the reamer fire, which is 2,000 acres and 10% containment. >> as anybody who has been there knows, texas is a vast state. and there are large parts of it that do not have people or property. but how much of these fires may threaten people or property? >> there are some properties and communities threatened. evacuation orders have been issued for communities within the smoke house creek fire and the windy deuce fire. i strongly encourage anyone who is near these areas to keep up to date with their local emergency management, and sheriff's offices, and also sign up for any type of alert messaging your local community

has. >> just looking at the pictures from the air, i mean, the vastness of these fires, it's astonishing. do you have the resources you need? are you expecting more resources to come in? >> yes, we do have lots of resources in place currently. and we have also issued orders for additional resources that should be in place by friday. we are expecting some better weather conditions today and tomorrow, but going into the weekend, these fire environment conditions are expected to come back with dry and windy conditions. so we will have additional resources in place to support that as well. >> well, you do have a long weekend ahead, as do the people fighting this on the front lines. we wish you well, heather gonzales, thank you. thank you. up next, the fate of the fulton county election interference case, could it all hinge on

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fulton county d.a. fani willis lied about her relationship with a special prosecutor in the case. that hearing taking on even more importance after yesterday's testimony from a so-called star witness for the defense failed to deliver. >> so when did the relationship start? >> i cannot answer that. i do not have knowledge of it starting. or when it started. >> i want to bring in former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, paul butler. so, paul, what they want is for fani willis disqualified, her whole team, right, thrown off the case. could these phone records provide the evidence that they did not get yesterday? >> so the defense attorney's claim that these phone records, texts and geo location demonstrate that ms. willis and mr. wade were in a romantic

relationship a long time before they say that they were. i don't know if a judge will actually admit the geolocation data. all it really demonstrates is that the people were in approximate distance. but it's a miles long radius. i think the judge might be more likely to admit the text messages. one interesting thing, chris, about the geolocation data, guess who often uses that in criminal prosecutions? d.a. willis and her team. so the judge might say, like my grandma used to, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. >> let me remind folks about the one witness who claims that d.a. willis and nathan wade lied under oath. she says their relationship started much -- many years before they claim it did. her name is robin yeartie, and i

want to remind people of what she testified to under oath. >> you had no doubt that their romantic relationship was in effect from 2019 until the last time you spoke with her? >> no doubt. >> did you observe them do things that are common among people having a romantic relationship? >> yes. >> such as, can you give us an example? >> hugging, kissing, just affection. >> there was no romantic relationship with mr. wade until early in 2022, whether it be january or february or march, early in 2022, correct? >> i would say sometime between february and april, yes. >> so a direct contradiction, and fani willis also basically painted yeartie as a former friend, a disgruntled employee who lost her job and a liar.

could these phone records, text messages, geo locations help to boost what is now only one person's word? >> at this point, it's kind of a he said, they said, and the judge has to make her credibility determination. the phone records might corroborate what some of these other witnesses, these two witnesses have claimed, which is essentially that ms. willis and mr. wade are lying about when their relationship started. so it's corroboration, but the live witnesses are generally seen as more credible and in this case, both of them have mad baggage. one of them had to leave the d.a.'s office because she was accused of wrong doing, so it was either resign or get fired, and mr. bradley, who we heard from yesterday also had to dissolve the partnership he had with mr. wade because of accusations of wrong doing, of sexual harassment, which mr. bradley has denied.

>> it is going to be an interesting hearing on friday. paul butler, thank you. in southern israel today, families of hostages in gaza began a four-day march to jerusalem demanding freedom for their loved ones. right now, talks to release at least some of those hostages are underway in qatar. both israel and hamas, though, have suggested a deal is still far off. in a televised speech today, hamas's political leader called on palestinians to organize a march of their own to a mosque in jerusalem on the first day of ramadan, which is now 11 days away. it only adds pressure on the negotiations for a deal to wrap up by then. nbc's raf sanchez is reporting from tel aviv. all sides, as you know, have singled out ramadan as the target for a deal. what do we know about where those talks stand right now, and what happens if they don't work? >> reporter: so, chris, i spoke to an israeli official earlier.

they said the talks at this point are basically stalled. israel, the u.s., are waiting for a formal response from hamas. to that framework that was hammered out over the weekend at negotiations, including the cia director. we checked in with hamas, senior official, he confirmed the group is still studying that proposal, but he said there are major gaps still outstanding to do with how long a cease fire would last, to do with where israeli troops would be deployed during that cease fire. and to deal with this question of palestinian civilians returning to the north of gaza, something they're currently not allowed to do. all of which is is long way of saying there's very little on the ground that supports president biden's early optimism that there could be a cease fire deal in place by monday, as you said, the u.s. very eager to get a deal in time for ramadan starting on march 10th. and a lot of focus right now on the mosque in jerusalem.

it's the third holiest sight in islam. it's known as the temple mount jews, the holiest sight in judaism and a potential flash point in the holy month of ramadan. there were reports in the israeli media earlier that the far right national security minister, who is in charge of the israeli police, has had his powers over the aloxa mosque removed and transferred to the israeli war cabinet, which is seen as a more centrist, less extreme body. now, that has not been officially confirmed by the prime minister's office, but ben gavir on social media saying he's frustrated by this and expected prime minister benjamin netanyahu to say those reports are false. if they are accurate, it is a sign that israel is trying to do what it can to remove the powder

keg that the moz mosque has the potential to be. we have seen forces storm insides mosque, saying they are going after demonstrators there, something the u.s. made very clear it is very concerned about, and it is adding to the urgency about getting a deal in place before the start of ramadan. chris. >> raf sanchez, thank you. up next, growing hope that congress could reach a deal to keep the government from shutting down friday night, but if it's too late to keep the lights on, what will that mean for you? we'll break it all down. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. watch your step! that's why visionworks smakes it simplew. to schedule an eye exam that works for you. even if you have a big trip to plan around. thanks! i mean, i can see you right now if that's...convenient. visionworks. see the difference. ♪oh what a good time we will have♪

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there is some optimism today over a partial spending deal in congress, but the growing danger is the clock could run out before that happens. the house is back at the capitol today with just three days left until funding runs out for multiple key agencies, and the threat of an even more impactful full government shutdown another week away. house speaker mike johnson told the white house he's opening to passing a new round of continuing resolution that would push the current deadlines to march 8th and march 22nd. it is a familiar tactic on capitol hill, delaying the hard decisions to at least keep the lights on in the short term. what does it cost the american people when they don't get that done. joining me now is nbc's christine romans or former

republican congressman, carlos curbelo is back with us. what happens if there is another cr? >> this is a terrible way to run the government of the biggest economy in the world, right? look at these crs and what we have done over the past, the government has done over the past ten years or so, every single year, multiple times getting right up to the brink of a potential shutdown, and then just kicking the can a little bit down the road. that's not policy. that's just patch work politics. now this year in january, again, at the brink, democratic and republican leaders at least decided on a spending number, a target, 1.59 trillion. what they're fighting about now is how to get to that number. what's so fascinating, too, about what the downsides of a continuing resolution are. if they don't get to the number, they'll kick the can again with another continuing resolution. that isn't solving the problem. that's unstable financial planning, right? research shows these agencies can't hire, they can't train, they can't plan and look ahead. they can't travel the way they need to to be fully doing the

business of the american people. so we know it's not good policy but we also know that the american people distrust the process. the more we talk about continuing resolutions again and again, the more people mistrust the process. look at this, this is the last time in september, looking at a shutdown, look at trust in government amid the shutdown threat. democrats and republicans, a lost trust in government. one last thing i'll point out here, there was a provision last year. if you're in continuing resolutions the end of april, 1% cuts across the board including defense, right, the law was written to prevent us from continuing to do crs, it looks like that's where we're headed anyways. you could see damaging cuts, quite frankly if they are continuing, they need appropriations bills. they need to legislate. >> christine romans, thank you so much for that. carlos, you lived this.

last time -- her graph went back to 2011, but the last time congress passed all 12 appropriations bills to fund the government was 1997. this problem isn't new. why is it so hard to break this cycle? >> well, chris, this isn't a new problem, but it's been exacerbated by the issues that house republicans have with coming together and figuring out a bipartisan way forward. traditionally, government spending has been passed in a bipartisan manner, and speaker johnson is in a very difficult situation. on one side, he has centrist republicans, the majority makers, the republicans who allow republicans to have a majority in the house, who don't want to see a government shutdown. this is bad for them in swing districts, if they shut down government, they could be punished in november, and lose their seats. on the other side, speaker johnson is dealing with maybe

some 40 or 50 house republicans who wouldn't mind a government shutdown, and prohibit him or at least make it clear to him that they would oppose any provision that would allow democrats to form part of the coalition to move government funding forward. so this has already been a product of a dysfunctional congress for a couple of decades. but now it's being exacerbated. it's even worse because house republicans have these internal dynamics, which make it hard to move bipartisan policy forward. >> yeah, i mean we hear from people on the hill. they are frustrated. they call it ridiculous. they acknowledge that voters are shaking their heads. if you were a betting man, what do you think the chances are that something gets done to avoid what is looming on friday? >> i am a betting man, and i would bet that republicans come together with democrats as have

now a number of times, even though kevin mccarthy got fired for doing it. but speaker johnson has done it, and republicans will come together with democrats to move forward a temporary patch that will allow them to keep negotiating and ultimately, chris, ultimately when they do come up with an omnibus bill or a series of bills to fund the government, this will require republicans and democrats voting to get it across the finish line. some republicans don't like to hear that. but it is the only way forward, especially when you only have a three-vote majority. >> another patch. congressman carlos curbelo, thank you. you know, you can't ignore the fact that age remains big in 2024's election, but ageing politicians are not uniquely american. the "wall street journal" reports that a decade ago, just one of the world's ten most populous countries, india, had a

leader who was 70 or older. that number today, 8 out of 10. which means right now, at least half of the global population is in the hands of people who are in their 70s or 80s. as the journal puts it, it's a golden age for politicians in their golden years. or as i put it, 50 is the new 70. 70 is the new 50. 70 is the new 50. yeah. rocky is looking at me. 70 is the new 50. that's going to do it for us this hour. "katy tur reports" starts right after a very short break. t after a very short break

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