all right, we made it through the week on "the beat" with ari melber. thanks for spending time with us tonight or any night you join us. we heard ziggy marley quote his father to say some people can never be satisfied. if you feel like that and want more of what you saw this week and what we do on "the beat," set an alarm, a dvr reminder, saturday, 4:00 p.m. eastern, 1:00 p.m. pacific, we have the beat weekend. some of what you have come to expect from "the beat" but on saturdays at 4:00 p.m. we want you to tune in if you're interested. keep it locked here because "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> they want to put me in jail. they're going after me without any protection of my rights by the supreme court or most other courts.

this vicious persecution is a travesty of justice. this is a political hit job. >> i'm going to have to sit here for months on a trail. i think it's ridiculous. it's unfair. >> trump often whines about the unfairness of it all. the two tiers of justice. well, he's right, there is a tier for trump, who remains a free man, and another tier for the many other americans who go to prison for much less than what he's done. also tonight, brave mourners defy the kremlin outside the funeral of russian opposition leader alexei navalny. crying out, putin is a murderer, and we won't forgive. we'll discuss how their valor contrasts with the weakness and capitulation of the putin and trump stooges in america's republican party. plus, on this first day of women's history month, we'll call up the bey hive to discuss

how beyonce who is number one on the country music charts is helping shine a light on the black pioneers in the genre, particularly black women. but we begin tonight with the wildest of american dichotomies. the united states is the world's largest carceral state. we put more people in prison than any other country on earth. with about 330 million people in our total population, the u.s. currently has more than 1.7 million of those people in prison. by contrast, the second highest prison population in the world, china, has 1.6 million prisoners out of a population of just under 1.5 billion people. number four incarcrartd, india, has more than 573,000 prisoners out of 1.4 billion people. and number five, russia, has more than 433,000 prisoners that

we know of out of 146 million people. including those three americans they're holding hostage and political prisoners. but back to the usa. just to put it in perspective, our prison population amounts to about one quarter of the prison population of the entire world. and if you go by incarceration rate, the only countries with a higher rate of locking people up per100,000 citizens are el salvador, cuba, rwanda, turkmenistan and the territory of american samoa. in short, the united states is very good at locking people up. but somehow, not this guy. for some reason, the u.s. is having a really hard time locking up this one person, donald trump. even just getting him to face a criminal trial feels impossible, as his lawyers seek to delay these cases from proceeding until after the american public

decides whether or not they want him back in the white house. we saw this effort on full display today in two different hearings. first in florida, in the classified documents case where trump is literally accused of stealing national secrets. trump appointed judge aileen cannon did not rule on when the trial should start or even if it should happen before november. and in georgia, a judge heard closing arguments on whether fulton county d.a. fani willis should be disqualified from that state's election interference case, which if she is, would all but certainly delay that trial until, you guessed it, after the election. but why? why is it so hard to get donald trump to actually face accountability for these very serious alleged crimes? i mean, if you were one of the thousands of rubes who stormed the capitol on january 6th, 2021, fueled by trump's big lie which he launched because he was

going to lose to joe biden, and did in fact lose to joe biden, you are probably in jail or you have spent time in prison it. you have probably lost your job and been humiliated in your local community. in short, your life was ruined by your damn near religious pleef in donald trump. if you live in a red state and seek an abortion, even if you're 10 years old, you doctor can be reprimanded for it, and maybe your uber driver if you live in texas. if you're a woman in missouri and raped and impregnated as a result of that rape and seek an abortion, the state of missouri wants to put you in prison. if you're a woman in ohio, you can face trial for having a miscarriage just in case your miscarriage was really an abortion. because you know, in our new handmaid's tale america as our dumbest u.s. senator said -- >> we need to have more kids. we need to have an opportunity do that. we need people to have the opportunity to have kids. >> yeah, except if the kids come

via ivf, which the alabama supreme court seems intent on banning. something that could happen nationwide, too, because the right wing christian say so and they're in charge of us. if you are the former top prosecutor in baltimore, you can be tried and convicted for taking money out of your own 401(k) to buy a vacation property or let's be honest, to punish you for prosecuting the cops who killed freddie gray. if you are donald trump's former lawyer, you can be jailed for taking out a second mortgage to write a six-fig check to the porn star donald trump slept with, though married, and rejailed for refusing to stop writing a book on why you jumped off the trump train. if you're a form military intelligence officer, you'll be jailed for taking classified documents home. but if you're donald trump, somehow, you can't be jailed. not for stealing classified documents, not for lying about your property values to get cheaper loans and cheating on decades of your taxes, and weirdly enough, not even for

trying to overthrow the government. apparently, if you're donald trump, and only if you're donald trump, you're above it law in america. you are unjailable. the justice department will slow walk charging you with insurrection for three full years while charging everyone who did the ground invasion of the capitol, and the attorney general will even appoint a special prosecutor to charge you, even though you're no longer president, so why would you need a special prosecutor when we have a whole attorney general? if you are trump, and only if you are donald trump, the feds will beg you, beg you for 18 months to please, please, give them back the nuclear secrets that you're hiding in your bathroom instead of kicking down your door and taking them like they would any other american. and then, when you do get charged by that same special prosecutor, somehow the random system will put you in front of your favorite hand-picked judge who will slow walk the case for you and no less a court than the supreme court of the whole

united states filled with three more of your hand-picked judges plus three other republicans will slow walk all of your cases to make sure they don't happen until after the election, they thad clearly hope will make you president again so you can pardon yourself and get away with everything. and tens of millions of americans will not just cheer for these awful things. they, too, will try to make you president again. so you can kill another million people in a pandemic and crash the economy and steal migrant babies from their moms again? what a country for donald trump. the rest of us, not so much. joining me now is andrew weissmann, former senior member of the mueller probe and msnbc legal analyst. katie phang, trial attorney and host of the katie phang show right here on msnbc, and tim o'brien, senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion and msnbc political analyst. andrew, i go to you first. talk me down, my friend. it does seem to me that this one american out of 330 million americans is untouchable.

>> well, you know, i'm going to agree and slightly disagree. the thing that i think you are completely right about is in this country, if you are wealthy and white, there is a different system of justice both at the federal and state level. i spent many, many years in the department of justice prosecuting people and companies, whether it was organized crime or corporate crime, who were wealthy white people. and it is just impossible to not face facts that they are given a disproportionate amount of justice. their cases are reviewed in a closer way. judges look at them and judges who for many, many years were also in the exact same race and class and wealth would identify themselves with the defendants and not view them the same way they viewed other people.

and just to be clear, i am not saying that that is not the appropriate level of scrutiny that should be given to criminal defendants. it's that it's not given to everyone. everyone is entitled to that close scrutiny and it's just simply the case that if you are in the group of people that donald trump is in, you have that heightened scrutiny that is not afforded to everyone else. now, you know, so he is in a group of people that enjoy that. there's no question that because he is the former president, he is getting an extra dollop just to put it bluntly, of scrutiny in connection with all of his cases, whether it's his conduct pretrial where there would be very different bail conditions if he was even let out on bail, to the amount of review on appeal, to frankly blatant ways

in which judge cannon has referred to the fact that he deserves extra and better treatment because of his former position. she was reversed on that precise ground with the 11th circuit saying no he's not. he's treated like everyone else, and the d.c. circuit saying he's citizen trump now, but that is a real issue in this country of people not being willing to see everyone as we're all the same station. we may be doing different jobs at different points in our lives but we all should be treated equally. that's hot the law requires. anyway, i think i have gone on way too long. you have other wonderful guests to speak to this. >> well, i mean, look, katie, and the point is very well taken. and katie phang, andrew is right, there are two tiers of justice for rich white guys and everybody else. but sometimes rich black guys can take advantage of it too. o.j. simpson took advantage of it. he was rich and can afford a

good defense. this country actually jailed a former vice president of the united states, richard nixon's vice president. this country has managed to put a few rich white guys in jail. but i have never seen anything like the entire system move to benefit one single person all the way through the supreme court, like it is moving for him. i'm going to give you a contrast. fani willis, fani willis is attempting to do a rico investigation of donald trump. somehow, her personal relationship, not with the judge, not with somebody on the other side where it would be a conflict of interest, but literally her interpersonal relationships have now gotten trump to be able to delay even that case. and that was the one that was untouchable because it's a state case. he can't pardon himself from it. yet even that case is thwarted, while his c-list defense gets to try to humiliate this woman about how much cash she has in her house. so she gets humiliated publicly,

and he, again, walks away. >> yeah, so andrew weissmann, as we all know, has such an elegant way of explaining things, but i would kind of make it a little bit more blunt because it's not just a two-tier system or a double standard system. it's actually a different total standard. it's the trump effect. it's the bending over backwards by not only the judiciary but by prosecutors for fear of the political prosecution angle that is being touted by trump. it's this idea that one man and one man only can have a different standard applied to him when it comes to the efficacy of our judicial system, when it comes to how these prosecutions are approached. it's not even just the criminal cases. it's the civil cases too. are the judges acting like they're completely impartial and all of the scrutiny that happens, it's amazing because the scrutiny doesn't go on defendant trump.

andrew and i prosecuted between the two of us, i don't go how many cases. some of incredible magnitude. when you looked at the case, sure, you were mindful about potential jury nullification issues, mindful about potential witness issues but it was still always a party to the case, a defendant, and especialliane criminal case. it's supposed to be justice is blind. and yet in this instance, the trump effect is created where you now look at a judge like aileen cannon who seems to be so sympathetic to the fact the man has to campaign, yet you and i both know no other criminal defendant in the united states would get the leeway afforded to him to go campaign for the oval office, the same office he's now claiming immunity to be able to do whatever he wants from it. it really is infuriating, and in fulton county to your point, you have lawyers for the defense getting up and talking about how it is so wrong that fani willis went to a church and gave a, quote, church speech and how

wrong it was for her to talk about race and religion. yet, that's exactly what is happening here, this completely misconstruction and skewing of what the reality is, that wasn't the point of what she said. she talked about when she went to that church, she talked about the fact that she was prosecuting this case, and she just said, i need grace to make sure that i am doing the right thing. it certainly wasn't what they were saying on the other side. so the irony doesn't escape me that trump wants to talk about and complain about the race card in fulton county. yet that's exactly what he's doing. he's targeting a strong black female prosecutor, let's be hongest, for dating a strong black male prosecutor at the same time. really, the evidence isn't there. we know when we take these cases that you have to have evidence, and the evidence in fulton county isn't there to disqualify her. >> by the way, just got a note from our producers. spiro agnew didn't spend a day in jail. let me go to you, tim. donald trump's father had a way of getting out of not paying his

taxes, he didn't do it either. they own the prosecutors, and they would just make sure they gave a lot of money when the predecessor to the current holder of the office, alvin bragg a couple times ago, they made sure they were good with him. he has grown up, donald trump, never having accountability in his life r and it is wild to me that so many people don't think it is unfair that he's able to get away with alleged actual crimes including trying to overthrow the government, and that they like him because of that. >> also, has anyone really ever said the word jail the way donald trump does. it's not jail, it's jail. like the way he said china when he was still in office. you know, it's useful, i think, we have gone through a few chapters here of what's askew, andrew laid out, i think, elegantly as katie pointed out, some of the institutional flaws at work here.

katie got at the social trumpian and racial issues that are at play. another fact you hear obviously is he's an ex-president and he's being prosecuted by people that have stepped gingerly around the fact that he held the highest office in the land. that i think was a problem with the mueller probe. andrew and i have spoken about that in the past. i think robert mueller himself was overly forgiving or perhaps overly cautious with trump because he was a president, and i think robert mueller came out of a world with this institutional respect for the office, which is not a shabby thing, but when you're around someone inhabiting that office and polluting it and taking advantage of the powers the office bestowed on him, you have to have a real sense of how to prosecute him. that runs up against institutions, up against the way the laws work, the court works. the biggest factor is the clock

in every one of these cases. and then it's this whole collision is inhabited by donald trump who has grown up in his entire life with various forms of insulation from accountability. he was born into a wealthy family, and his father's wealth protected him from his own mistakes in the business world. then he became a celebrity. and he enjoyed all of the powers that come with being a celebrity, including being able to be predatory toward women and not being held accountable for that. then he becomes president of the united states. he is an irresponsible ignorant man who has had the safety belts around him his whole life. he never had to learn from his own mistakes. he's never been held accountable. i think what you have set up in terms of analyzing the dynamics at work around here, i think there are parties involved linof the current prosecutions who are approaching it with good will.

i think that merrick garland approached the january 6th prosecution with good will in a way that he felt he could put his best foot forward. but like robert mueller, i think what came along with that is a little bit of a tone deafness toward the man they are prosecuting and the people who support him. and why speed is of the essence, because the reality is, if donald trump gets back into the white house, he will have the power to dismiss the two federal cases against him. and he will waste little time doing that. and he will. and i think prosecutors need to be aware of that. and so i think this debate between the academic side of the law and the prosecutorial realities of making sure it's enforced are what is at attention here. >> exactly, and the bankruptcy laws have protected him, his dad protected him. everything has protected him his whole life. now he has armed religious fanatic fans. he's their religion. he's the christ to whom they

pray. and they also are vowing to protect him, maybe even using violence to get him back into office. what a world we live in. i have to say, the most valiant person in this whole thing is jack smith. god bless him and these other prosecutors including fani willis and the attorney general of new york who are still fighting the good fight. andrew, katie, tim, thank you all very much. up next on "the reidout," speaking of valiancy, thousands of people risked arrest in russia today gathering outside alexei navalny's funeral to pay their respects and publicly defy the autocrat, putin. look at them. that's bravery. "the reidout" continues after this.

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thousands of mourners defied heavy security as the body of alexei navalny, vladimir putin's most vocal critic, was laid to rest inside a moscow church. relatives and friends said their final good-byes to the man who fired up a generation of young russians with his slogan, russia will be free. outside, thousands of mourners paid respect to the 47-year-old navalny, who died mysteriously last month in a siberian penal colony. sparking worldwide condemnation. this scene is nothing short of remarkable. russia's opposition out in the open, risking arrest or worse.

to say farewell. meanwhile, here in the u.s., house republicans are blocking further aid to ukraine, a democracy and a u.s. ally that putin invaded. and they're doing it for, you guessed it, trump. as anne applebaum writes, donald trump, who is not the president, is using a minority of republicans to block aid to ukraine to undermine the actual president's foreign policy and to weaken american power and credibility. joining me now is michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia, msnbc international affairs analyst, and friend of the navalny family. ambassador mcfaul, it's so good to see you. i want to let you comment on the scenes. if we can put them back up so our audience can see them again. because this made my heart feel good, even though can feel so sad for the navalny family. that scene is amazing. i would love for you to comment on it. >> i agree entirely with you, joy. they didn't expect this.

remember, the family had to fight to get his body back. his mother did. originally, the conditions were we'll give you the body to bury him, but you have to have a secret funeral. they resisted that because the navalnys are a resistant group. and then, this outpouring came. remember, every single one of those people right now, they are being filmed. they risk going to jail for years because they were chanting anti-war slogans. by the way, as they marched. and yet, they came out in those numbers and remember, in situations like this, for every one of those that came out, there's another ten sitting at home that have the same exact views of navalny. they just don't want to risk being arrested. i think this shows that the ideas of navalny and his movement and by the way, they chanted his wife's name, too, yulia, who will now take up the baton to be the leader of this movement, is alive and well. >> talk a little bit about

yulia. she's now emerged as his husband's successor. what an also very brave woman. >> she's an incredible woman. i actually was with her in munich the night before he was killed. she called me that morning to tell me that her husband had been killed and their daughter dasha goes to school here at stanford, so she was first and foremost concerned about her daughter. she then gave this incredibly moving speech at the munich security conference. people said it was the most historic riveting speech ever of that conference. that has been going on for decades. and now she understands she was out here in california to see her daughter and speaking to her, it's crystal clear to me that it's not a role she wants to play or ever wanted to play. but now she has to play it. and she's made that clear in her statements, taking up the baton for alexei navalny.

she's now the leader of the democratic opposition. >> this is what happens with widows of heroic men. what do you make of this shift? anne applebaum wrote a brilliant piece. i wish i could read it all. i'll read a little bit. the world is watching kevin mccarthy, then mike johnson the current speaker of the house fly to mar-a-lago to take instructions. they know senator lindsey graham a prominent figure in the munich security conference for decades backed out abruptly this year after talking with trump. one more piece. trump wants to remain engaged with the world but on different terms. he said repeatedly he wants a deal with vladimir putin, and maybe this is what he means. if ukraine loses the war, then trump could twist the situation to his own advantage. she also talks about the fact that he's running american foreign policy from mar-a-lago, which says to our allies and to our enemies, you can't even really make a deal with the u.s. government or trust the u.s. government because the foreign policy isn't run out of had

white house. it's run by trump who is not the president. what do you make of all this and the shift in the republican party? >> it's just atrocious. i was in munich with anne meeting government officials from that part of the world, and frankly, joy, it was embarrassing to be an american. because for many decades, we have been the most important ally to all of these countries, but we have been the leader of the free world, and now, everybody, you know, ministers from poland and lithuania, estonia, but leader in taiwan, too, and leaders from the middle east, too, are saying hey, maybe america can't be there, is not trusted, can't be counted on. and after a couple years, maybe they'll just give up. so the overwhelming message i heard in munich is this the end of america's leadership. the second thing is, just as you said, it's one guy. i mean, i can't prove this, but i wonder if he's just because he's such a petty man, that

because zelenskyy didn't help him find the alleged dirt on the bidens that he wanted, that he's trying to punish president zelenskyy now. i'm here to tell you, i met with youriers, wounded warriors from ukraine and munich as well. more ukrainians will die if we don't provide this aid now. and i'm not -- if mr. trump is re-elected and wants to try to do a deal with putin, i welcome that. but he's not elected yet. he's not the president of the united states yet. and by blocking this aid now, thousands, tens of thousands maybe of ukrainians are going to die before that november election or that january inauguration. i just find it irresponsible on so many levels. and i don't even think it is in mr. trump's own interests to have that kind of slaughter. give the money now, and if he wins the election, knock yourself out, president-elect trump, if you can do a deal, i'm highly skeptical that he can, but don't let ukrainians die

between now and our november elections. >> i will say, just the contrast between the val ynls and bravery of those russian people and the cowardice of our elected officials in one particular party is stunning. i'm going to have you come back on. we want to talk more about why ukraine should matter to the american people. ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you. coming up, dartmouth college students have ended their hunger strike after 12 days over their school's policies on israel and how they have handled dissent against those policies. one of those students joins me next.

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adam schiff for senate. i'm adam schiff, and i approve this message. today, president biden announced that the u.s. will air drop food aid into the gaza strip. noting that the humanitarian aid flowing into the region for palestinians is insufficient. insufficient and also deadly. global condemnation is erupting after israeli forces were accused of opening fire on a crowd of palestinians waiting to get food from trucks in gaza city. more than 100 people killed and over 700 injured. israel has denied opening fire on those seeking aid and disputed the death toll. but france is calling for an independent inquiry and qatar's foreign ministry issued a statement condemning the incident as a heinous massacre committed by the israeli occupation, unquote. this comes as international

organizations are sounding the alarm. saying an unprecedented famine in gaza is imminent and almost inevitable. meanwhile, closer to home, we are seeing hunger in a different form. student hunger strikers at dartmouth college have ended their protest against the college's approach to the israel/hamas war, one of the eight students explains why they went on strike. >> in the fall, two student peaceful protesters were arrested and we believe they were wrongfully arrested. >> joining me now is rowen wade, a dartmouth college student who just ended a 12-day hunger strike. thank you for being here. you're one of the students, i understand, who was arrested in this peaceful protest. tell me why you were protesting, why you were arrested, and what you think this hunger strike has accomplished? >> so i was arrested during a peaceful protest last fall.

and despite us being part of a peaceful protest, as part of a legacy of decades of peaceful protest dating back to south african apartheid, the movement for divestment from south african apartheid in the vietnam era, we engaged in similar tactics. we're seeing something that is terrifying in that there seems to be an exception to free speech when it comes to the issue of palestine. and we engaged in peaceful protest and while we are peaceful, the entire time and the college finally has made the concession that we were peaceful the entire time, the dartmouth administration claimed that we were violent the day afterwards, which is extremely concerning. we believe that it is so imperatively important for us to take part in protests and resist the fact that our tuition dollars and our tax dollars are being used to fund this genocide

because what moment if we don't stand up now, what moment will we? and while our communities are going hungry, while our communities are in need of resources, as a union organizer and a working class american, i feel that first-hand in the fact that our institutions and our government are refusing to listen to us and listen to young people and the american public and instead are funding this genocide is devastating. that's why we decided we had to hunger strike as a last resort. >> and you all did this for 12 days. how are you feeling? how are you and your fellow protesters feeling physically? >> yeah. it definitely was not easy. i was just released out of the hospital so i have a decently clean bill of health now, still in the recovery process, not fully clear yet. one of my other hunger striker

is still in the hospital right now. another hunger striker was hospitalized along the way. but the discomfort that we felt from hunger striking for 12 days is nothing compared to the fact that my peers in gaza are being starved right now and what they're going through. and so you know, the most important thing here is that we have to center and the fact that we need to be feeding -- insuring that people in palestine have access to food rather than using our tuition to bomb them. >> let me ask you one more question. i'm going to have you jump past, if you could talk to president biden, to the white house, what would you want to see change? >> listen to young people. young people across this country have been standing up and protesting nonstop for months. and it feels like our voices are not being heard at all.

we're to the point of hunger striking. we have tried every other tactic. if biden wants to count on our votes, he needs to actually take action and take a very quick and rapid action to stop the u.s.'s complicity in this ongoing genocide. >> roan wade, young activists have changed the world many times. so i want to thank you for taking time to talk with me. you all are very brave young people. i always love it when young people get involved so i wanted to talk it you today. thank you, and feel better and heal. >> thank you. >> thank you. all right, coming up next, we're going to make quite a turn now because we're going to talk about this lady, the queen, beyonce. she already runs the world, and now the texas native is about to run country flawless with her upcoming album. but of course, america has a problem. and y'all haters are corny,

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♪♪ >> after their surprise release last month of two singles off beyonce's upcoming album, texas hold 'em and 16 carriages, unsurprisingly, some folks weren't happy that this black woman superstar in the world of r&b and pop would venture into country even though she is from houston, texas, literally. a small country music station in oklahoma initially refused to play texas hold 'em but changed its tune after being inundated by the bey hive. last week, beyonce became the first black woman to top billboard's hot country chart and got the stamp of approval from the great dolly parton for doing so. the most grammy winning artist in history knows how to knock down barriers for herself, but beyonce is also giving some deserved shine to other black country and folk artists. like reanon giddens who played banjo on texas hold 'em.

she reminded us enslaved people of the african diaspora created the banjo in the 1600s. this is historical fact. the hype around bey's new single is also amplifying the many black artists already in country music. it's the beyonce boost in streams for black women country artists including a 275% increase, wow, for a pioneer of the genre, linda martell, the first black woman artist to play the grand ole opry back in 1969. i'm joined now by songwriter and producer alice randall, the first black woman to cowrite a country single and author of the upcoming memoir, my black country which has a companion album. it's so great to talk with you. i want to start by getting your take on all of the sort of contrataumps around beyonce charting in country. i have to place this.

this is john schneider. he used to be on a show that fwlorified the confederate flag on a car. here he is. >> oh, we don't have it. okay, i'm going to read what he said. this is what john schneider who used to play bow or luke duke. he said they have to make their mark just like a dog in a dog walk park. you know every dog has to mark every tree so that's what's going on here. would you like to respond to that? >> >> so african americans have been in recorded country music since its beginning. it's women's history month, so i'm going to shut out immediately to little higher than. johnny cash declared the great johnny cash that malign was the

most iconic countries songs of all all-time. who played on every bar of blue yodel? lil harden. country itself begins with -- bailey in 1927 playing pan american blues on wsmh eo. black people have been in recorded country since the beginning and it's as the brilliant rhiannon giddens pointed out, we have been contributing to the form since the form was unreported, since before it was recorded. >> and creating the banjo kind of makes black folk apart of country music. it's interesting the sort of music is one of the most segregated formats. it's extremely segregated. and there was this idea that there's white radio and black radio. even rock and roll got segregated, even after black folks created. it people like elvis become superstars and then they segregate and say black people

can't do rock and roll. it's a weird thing that happens in the music industry. why do you think it is still happening now, in the 21st century? >> it's complex. it has to do with marketing. because i want to make it very clear that country music by definition and in my opinion is a combination of english, irish, and scottish ballad forms plus african american influences plus evangelical christiane 80. it actually requires african american influences to be country or it's folk music. so those have to do with marketing things at some point. someone that they paid more money by dividing the audiences. some i think it was how race was constructed in america, to divide these audiences. and i think that there has been a kind of cultural redlining that beyonci has triumphantly evaded. >> it is interesting to listen to somebody, an actor from new york who pretended to be a southerner going after a woman

who is literally from texas and who was a product of the rain culture that created country music. she is much more legitimate in the genre than anything he could ever do. so the audacity of him to comment at all. >> i believe everyone, i invite all voices into the conversation, but i will just say that for example the texas, another big back black influence on country western music, or a lot of people don't know, i have heard this comment, your costume is not, don't take our culture, york astilbes dot our culture. those are people who don't understand that a large percentage of 19th and 20th century cowboys were black and brown. and that actually cowboy culture is significantly african american culture and cowboy songs, the 19th century cowboy songs that were discovered, the first cowboy camp that they came across was a black cowboy camp singing songs. so there are many different

ways black culture has entered into country in western music. >> absolutely. cowboys were essentially enslaved cattle herders who then went private practice and essentially were doing the same cowherd-ing they were doing is enslaved people for money. a quarter or more were black. alice randall isn't going anywhere. who won the week is back. and we'll be right back. right.

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>> well, guys, we made it to the end or another. week which means it's time to play our favorite game. who won the week? back with me, the great alice randall. alice, who won the week? >> beyonci won the week. she is having her second week in country music atop the charts and she is the top of the hot 100. and she has her essence cover, march and april, and she and her mama have -- out in the words, adding to people shine all over this. country she won the. week >> beyonci when the. week yeah she. did my who won the week, is hunter biden. yes, hunter biden for sitting through seven hours a republican nonsense at a deposition in their bogus investigation and as the transcript showed, getting the best of all of them. this man turned the tables on mega questions about his battle with drug use, saying of all the people sitting around the table, do you think that's appropriate for you to be the

one to ask me? good. point they made a probe into gaetz said that he witnessed him attempt parties involving, quote, sex, drugs, and a whole lot of it. and then of course there was this point that was raised by fox host steve doocy, of all people. >> speaking of republicans, james comer, who ran the committee, he apparently left the hearing early and did not ask a single question. how weird is that? we >> thank you. that is who won the week. thank you alice randall and that's tonight reidout's. all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in. >> i only need 11,000 votes. i need 11,000 votes. >> a hearing that could derail trump's prosecution in georgia. >> it may already be possible for me to make a decision. >> as the indicted ex president tries to delay his documents trial. >> the presidential records

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