approaching super tuesday, with this insurmountable lead by donald trump, in the overall delegate count? >> yeah, i think comes super tuesday ayman, it's going to be virtually impossible for governor haley to stay in the race. it's a huge chunk of the nation that will vote, a huge chunk of the delegates awarded. and i can remember which state there are so many graphics on the screen. i think it was missouri, 100 ascent of the vote, and he got 100 percent of the vote, all of the votes, and she got zero. so i think comes super tuesday, the governor will have to have a heart to heart, and bow out of the. race heart, and bow out of the. race

eight state delegates. and the last time is or republicans have caucus delicate to delegates was back in 2012, but this time around they switched the party's presidential nominating system to caucus after failing to set up a primary during last year's legislative session. the rest of michigan's delegates, 39 and all, we're also awarded to trump today. amid a complicating and chaotic convention process. we'll talk about that later. you remember trump already won this week's michigan republican primary. but again, as i mentioned, it is complicated this year. since republicans hosted both ab primary as well as a caucus. to award their states delegates. that, of course, is because the

state of chaos and michigan state voted last throw to move their presidential primary up to february but that didn't fall in line with what republicans wanted and certainly the republican national conventions rolls. so local and national party officials basically landed on this hybrid method that we are watching play out this week. of course, adding to the confusion and all of this, both the current and for republican party chairs and michigan had planned for dueling delegates, or dueling conventions acosta delegates to receive conflicting information. of course, as of now, and certainly for nikki haley, she is foyet to win a republican nominating contest. shea still vows to stay in the race through super tuesday which is next week. haley telling meet the press moderator kristen twelker that her goal hating into march five is to have a, quote, competitive showing against trump. let's start this hour with

shaquille brewster, nbc news correspondent and grand rapids, michigan. it is good to see you. you are at that republican convention, speaking to us from there. on hardly a surprise, but way the results played earlier today. walk us through what they're actually maine and what the trump and nikki haley campaigns are saying about that. >> it was a good day for donald trump here in grand rapids, michigan. of the 13 on delicate that up for grabs at this republican caucus, republican convention, donald trump won all 49 of them . when you go by a delegate, he won on to 8% of the delegates who ended up voting in this entire process. . of course this follows the large victory earlier this week on tuesday here in michigan for the primary. the primary being a more traditional that we are used to voters go to the polls. donald d trump is getting an of a woman sure g of the delegates to come out of the state of michigan.

i talked to a lot of those delegates at the convention. the convention since wrapped up who drove in four different parties. that will unify and the support for donald trump. even those whose the vote of harry because they liked her for cadifferent reasons why mig not have preferred donald trump . that likely will be going to don't trump in the general election. this is donald trump continuing his march toward the nomination, towards super tuesday. we are looking ahead to, that this upcoming tuesday. it is another good today for donald trump here in the state of michigan. >> a lot of back and forth on the stage convention. walked us through the vibe there between what is happening in the republican national convention between the two opposing camps. >> when you look at the result, it is clear that the party was unified behind tydonald trump. there is a party insiders

gellman delegates, participating on a saturday morning to go and cast their ballots. but if you look at that news leading k up to this convention up to this weekend's convention, you see this michigan republican party is anything but unified. the previous shia, christian kalama, she held on to power essentially after being ousted back in january. she got access to the email address, full access of the convention, of the gop website and she was going to have her r own convention in detroit. she was asked in january. she took a contingency of republicans with her. and try to essentially stop that republican party cheer, based on a judge, a judge had to come and roll he was that year, essentially force him to have another convention in grand rapids. so leading into this primary and this weekend, there was a lot of confusion over where the convention would take place, what city that convention will

take place in, but ultimately it happened here and karen roberts. pate is that shear and donald trump won and evolving since. >> shaquille brewster, live for us and grand rapids, michigan. great to see you. thank you, as always. with us now, melissa murray, who clerked for justice sotomayor when she served on the appeals court. melissa is currently and nyu law professor and an msnbc contributor. also with us msnbc political analyst jennifer rubin, also an opinion writer for the washington post. jennifer, i'll start with you. we just rtgot's results out of idaho. trump won in the caucus there. 32 delegates. your thoughts on today's outcomes, not a surprise but nonetheless anytime donald trump ones i think of what we are getting closer to by the day. >> i think g it is deeply troubling that not only base ba voters but millions of voters are lining up behind donald trump, who has declared that

hate will be a dictator on day one, who is stripped away reproductive rights from millions of women, who is and the pocket of vladimir putin, who encouraged that republicans and the house not to pass support for ukraine, not to pass a tough border measure. this is deeply troubling. we have seen fascist movements s in other countries and i feel that we are having a large scale , very right-wing, very dangerous movement at work in the united states. and unless democrats, independents, republicans -- we will see, frankly, that last free and fair election in a lifetime. >> melissa, we have a big new york times poll that came out this morning. it shows president biden trailing donald trump by five points if the election were held today among registered voters. and despite donald trump's legal issues, despite the threat he poses to a democracy, despite

the fact he says he'll be a dictator on day one, president biden is behind donald trump in this poll. what do you attribute this to and what do you think things keep looking so grim for joe biden this far out? >> there is a lot of churn in the water around your body, around his age, a run of the thingsn related to local political happenings going on. often point that much talk and national ucpolls simply because we have a constitution that has a tunumber of structural defici including one that doesn't make the popular vote determinative for the office of president. so what i focus on what those state-by-state polls. not all the numbers are great for joe biden. but i think those polls are more determinative because they feed into what we know will be the determinant of the election, that is the electoral college. >> it's a very important points -- let me get your thoughts, jennifer, about your new column

that voters cannot it can what trump's nnracism. he, right we are also expected to o'connell, once upon, does his vendetta against the central park five, his real estate companies history of discrimination, and his failure to appoint a single african american to the circuit courts or supreme court. but you also write that journalists right with us right by the trump has a real chance to win over african american voters. are we getting so used to trumpm 's outrageous comments on race that way of not shocked by them anymore? >> i'm still shocked but i fear that media isn't. and i fear there has been a huge movement to normalize, to try to create some equivalence between these candidates when they cannot be. and i go on in that pays to also discuss trump's, frankly, disturbing mental defects and psychologists, psychiatrists have looked at this. he is not all there. no matter what he says about

being able to tell a rhinoceros from a camel. but i think it will be up to joe biden, his supporters to really focus in on the choice. do we want to go back to the guy who tried to overthrow an election? or do we want someone who is not a perfect president, no president esis, but has led honorably, has helped restore the economy, has fought back through the covid crisis, who helped pass a gigantic infrastructure bill, a chip spill, has put together a historic alliance, has expanded nato. these two people are not remotely and the same ballpark. and i would just echo what melissa said, which is i think these polls are junk, to be honest. i went back for an exercise and looked. this time, in 2012, mitt romney was doing great and he lost fairly comfortably. so i would implore people not to focus, as we like to stay,

on the risks, on the horse race politics, but what is at stake. and what is at stake is a democracy, freedom, a functional court system. and right now, we are on the precipice. and this election is really the most important i have had in my lifetime. >> nothing short of our survival as our country and as a democracy, is on the line. let me ask you, melissa, about nikki haley for a moment. she spoke with the media after her rally in north carolina saying she has a movement of supporters behind her. of nowhere that is, but she certainly believes it. watch this. >> this is a movement and to have incumbents like donald trump not getting 40% in the early states, to have an incumbent like donald trump where his campaign and michigan years, i campaigned in two days and 30%. there is a movement here. and if you see, this is not an angry crowd.

a patriotic crowd. this as a corrupt once an america a that their kids can b proud of. >> i want to believe there are republicans in this country that do not subscribe to donald trump, and that is to some extent to. but is what nikki haley is describing their accurate? does she have a point or is that wishful, political thinking on her part? >> the optics aren't great for her. she's gesturing to what appears to be a crowd of not one. i will say, nikki haley if she's gesturing off screen, it's something we all know. donald trump is currently inducted on four criminal documents with not he went charges and total. those until one charges made clear that something is going on that is likely criminal before, etduring and after his presidency. at all stages of his life as a public official he has been charged with doing crimes during this. i think what nikki haley it's hoping for here is the effect of these and documents, these criminal trials, if they have, been will begin to chip away at

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general election. but four months ago, cannon announced she was open to some, quote, reasonable adjustments to the timetable. on friday, special counsel jack smith's team asked to pick and making their case in july. trump's lawyers can't of us can distort in august. well ideally after the november election. bye to clement to make a decision this week, judge cannon will likely fourth of july the trial and she apparently isn't the only person playing the waiting game. earlier this week, they supreme court agreed to decide whether trump can claim presidential immunity over criminal election different charges, adding a new hurdle to that trial taking place. the court will hear the case on april 22, which means of trump loses the appeal, a trial would not get underway until late into election season. melissa and jennifer opposite back with. may melissa, i'll start with you. trump's legal team has argued holding the trial before the election amounts to election

interference. they oppose an august trial tight. how can we make sense of that? how do you think judge cannon will roll on this issue? >> ayman, it is hard to say how judge cannon will roll. she's proven herself to be relatively unpredictable and large part because you don't have a great deal of criminal trial experience. she's only been on the bench for about four years. and she hasn't had certainly a criminal trial of this magnitude with this kind of complexity. this involves, again, serious evidentially questions regarding classified documents and how those are presented to a jury will be real questions. it's not clear she has the experience. what we do seem to know is she is slow walking this case. this case is about as clear and open and shut case for the prosecution as any of the four criminal and documents that donald trump is facing. the case is basically about having document you're not supposed to have, refusing to

turn them over. and obstructing justice processes, and trying to recover those by eliminating video surveillance records and falsifying of the records in order to keep your actions from the government. again, it is a really open and shut case. and if it were to get a jury, i think that trump team knows they would not feel well there. rather than making a fake argument about winds based time for the trial, is it seems there are very clearly focused on simply trying to delay that trial and avoid getting to a jury of his peers. >> jennifer, legally and morally at appearance trump might be able to delay his trials until after the election. politically speaking, will it matter? i know the polls that say some voters atlas look to support trump if he's slapped with a criminal conviction. nikki haley wants to see that play. out but trump was already found guilty and his new york civil fraud trial. it was already found liable for sexual abuse and the e. jean carroll case. none of those seem to have

moved his voters. >> also a few things. first of all, those were civil cases. that is a far cry from a criminal indictment, in which he has broken the law, he has arguably committed a serious of felonies, including ones that involve repudiating the constitution and attempting to overthrow the election. so i think there is really no comparison between us several verdict and a criminal verdict when you face jail time. and there are a significant number of republicans who said they won't vote for him if, in fact, he's convicted. we'll see if that's true. but as you said, i think smoking is a very generous description from melissa. this is a judge, and let me just lay it out there, who's been in that time for trump from the get-go. remember, he filed a civil case to try to get all these documents back. she made some really screwy

rolling. robert the 11th circuit of us who work at her rollings. sent it back, reversed. wouldn't you know, she comes up as the drop from the judge in this case. she has made a ruling on classified materials that the government lawyers say is truly outrageous. it would reveal the names of certain witnesses and would put those people at risk. the special counsel has asked her to reconsider that ruling. if she doesn't, my two cents of advice is take it up on an emergency appeal and couple it with a motion to recuse. this is not a judge who is calling balls and strikes. she is really in the tank. as far as the other cases go, we are going to get at least one trial and that in new york. that's the alvin bragg case. it concerns of publication of documents, which is really trump's original attempt to conceal and confuse voters, in

essence, to corrupt and election. so we are going to get. that we are going to see what happens with the january 6th case. and we are going to see whether the judge and fulton county ever gets done polling through fani willis's romantic life and gets back to the best of trying the case, which is a very serious criminal case against trump and his cronies. >> melissa, am i wrong to flat and very curious what the supreme court needs so much time to mull over presidential immunity? my colleague ari melber did an excellent job and laying out the timeline of pasta supreme court. most notably, bush versus gore deciding who thousand election and a matter of three days. and previously, in other instances, presidential politics have been on the line. the supreme court can gather activator, including with president trump, when they decided to take the oral arguments and the colorado case, when the oral arguments suggest the supreme court is going to reject.

>> it is clear the supreme court takes its time with some things and move expeditiously and other cases when it wants. to your right about bushelful score. but also colder attention to the covid church closures that happened during the pandemic. the court moved swiftly to an expose what-limited and churches could've been a. can this court is capable of moving quickly when it wants to the question is why doesn't it want to? it's a real question. the question of immunity goes to the question of fairness. most defendants would want an immunity challenge to be decided relatively quickly, so if it is proper that they are immune, that can be seen -- saved that weight of being under federal criminal charges. but this defendant doesn't want this issue cleared up very quickly. in fact, he seems to want to draw out the immunity question as long as possible in order to avoid a jury trial on this question. and the supreme court seems to have obliged in this case. it is true they have state oral

argument for the week of april 22. that is two months from now. we don't know when they're actually going to decide this case. it could be a few months. they've already waited two weeks to decide disqualification. we are still waiting for an opinion. there that d.c. circuit polo issued a very methodical, very careful opinion, that could a sully have been affirmed. this court chose not to do. so although it hasn't ruled formally for donald trump, it is effectively given him defective immunity because it is very unlikely we are going to get a trial before the elections dots. >> jennifer, who do you think records of more? jack smith merrick garland and taken time to finally bring these charges against donald trump? i know they played two very different roles unless process but one paved the way for the other and one, when they had, it perhaps took a little bit longer time, in the case of jack smith, requiring a good deal of investigation on the classified documents case. could he have brought these charges against trump for

election interference faster? >> jack smith, you recall, was appointed only went trump to clear he was running for president. so i think once he was appointed, he moved very expeditiously and one case, as you point out, turned into two. he managed to generate in a relatively short period of time and indictment both on january 6th and on the documents. that real fault, in addition to the supreme court, which your coal hit a chance to weigh in on this months ago, when jack smith went up to the court and say, it doesn't make that a circuit take this case, you're gonna have to roll on it anyway, take it now, the justices said, no, send it back to the d.c. court. now they are back. they took two weeks. now they are sitting in for april. aside from all of that, the original sin, if you will, is in a way to so darn long to focus on the itself, which was

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the fate of fulton county d.a. fani willis's role in the georgia election interference case now rests in the hands of a supreme court judge. judge scott mcafee says he hopes to issue a ruling in the comment to its after hearing closing arguments, friday, on whether it willis will be difficult from the case over misconduct allegations. the defense has accused of engaging in a romantic relationship with the case as special prosecutor, nathan wade, in court this week lawrence for trump and his codefendants that have demonstrated and appearance of a conflict of interest and that in itself is enough for disqualification. when priced but the judge held willis and wade personally benefited from this relationship, the defense said this. >> i think you know it when you see it. i think girls enough effects in front of you, you know it when you see it. >> one tiny problem, as my colleague katie phang points out in a column for msnbc,

writing, quote, georgia low on the disqualification of a prosecutor is clear. there must be an actual conflict of interest. this conflict must not be theoretical or speculative. that's something the prosecution leaned on inter closing arguments. melissa murray and jennifer rubin are back with. me melissa, i'll start with you here. and we weren't i lift off, you know where you see, it doesn't seem like a very compelling argument by trump's lawyers and regard to this supposed conflict of interest. is that the best they can do? >> it is the best they can do here. this is not the kind of ethical quandary that typically requires the disqualification of a prosecutor. usually, when you are worried about the conflict potential of the prosecutor, it is the prosecutor having a romantic relationship with a judge or someone on the defense team or a juror or a witness. not someone on her own team. while it might necessarily be a good practice, it is not

necessarily a conflict of interest. here florida, they haven't shown how fani willis enriched herself in any way or that nathan wade took this job for the purpose of providing some kind of vacation slush fund to fani willis. maybe that were sloppy about their accounting. maybe she paid him in cash. it doesn't mean he took this job, which he's being paid faultless than he would and private practice, for the pep assault and breaching himself and enriching her. i think it is very hard to make this claim here. but that is not lapointe. the point is not there is an ethical issue. the point is again, the. light and the possibility they will be successful and disqualifying fani willis because if they are flexible and disqualifying her, they disqualify her entire team. and then it's left to a council of prosecutors to determine if there's another prosecutor who convened assume responsibility for this case. and given that r.i.c.o. charges here, and fani willis's an experienced prosecution georgia r.i.c.o. cases, it is very unlikely

they'll be able to find someone with the kind of experience you can pick up people and take this case in front but to the end zone. >> jennifer, judge mcafee says he hopes to roll in two weeks. no matter which way this goes, it caused a big delay. again, is this part of a strategy that benefits trump here? >> absolutely. and this judge, i must say, i'm rather surprised. up until now, up until this issue, he seemed to be rather straightforward. he dealt with removal issues. he dealt with other issues in a very professional, very forthright manner. this, to allow this to disdained into really a period, sleazy exploration of her private life, which as melissa said, has nothing to do with recusal. the sole raisin in georgia, aside from issues that absolutely don't apply, is a financial conflict. they have zero evidence. as soon as they determine that, they should have shot this thing

down and moved on. it is pretty rich for the defendant and the judge to think after directing this through the mud for weeks, now there is an appearance of a conflict of interest. i think this is atrocious. i think it's a horrible way to treat public servants. and what is this going to lead to? we are going to have a private investigator dick for the officers of the ice around the country? there is going to be no end to it. so i would hope that mcafee case back on track. he dispenses with this and we get that trial dates and taking other steps to get this trial going. >> melissa, we know the defense has accused fani willis of stalking a romantic relationship with nathan wade before she brought him on as the special prosecutor on the case. but this week, the state witness, who was supposed to confront this timeline, testified that he, in fact, did not know when that relationship started, and a causing their argument. not exactly a good look for the defense in this.

>> it is a terrible look for the defense that really builds its case on this witnesses alleged testimony. he was not able to cooperate or confirm any of the things he sold to the defense before. again, to jennifer's point, that is the moment when judge scott mcafee should have shut all of this. down the whole point of the tomelin about when that relationship started especially to say these two people project themselves and therefore should be disqualified. it is not really about the ethical quandary, it is about the prospect of a cover-up. but it does not seem there has been a cover-up. here to bring this back to the supreme court's own decision to further delay the january 6th election interference case, we head jocelyn's clarence thomas whose wife has been named as someone who was standing text messages to mark meadows, one of the defendants, in the georgia case. it has been established by the january 6th special committee that those takes messages exist. if we still have a justice thomas, who has his own ethical

quandaries to deal with, participating in that the ocean to take the short on that case and to delay the discussion of immunity. >> important point and great example about what a real case of a conflict of interest actually looks like. jennifer, the big issue that keeps popping up here is obviously the issue of credibility. how do you think the public views this case now that we have seen these salacious details emerge on this side? is it going to be something that just affects a court of public opinion and the perception that something is getting lost in this process? >> you always have to be concerned about polluting the jury. pulpit probably one of the main reasons why trump's cronies have tried to do this. i would worry, and let them find out if this is really what they wanted, and awful lot of women, and oh foot look of african american woman, looked at this with anger and with

discussed. that way in which her credibility was thrown into doubt, based on really nothing, those women sit on juries. those woman turnout to. vote and i would not base apprized one way or the other if this infected turns out to be a colossal ever and women look at this and say enough already. we have seen this story, this is just a smear attempt on a professional woman and a woman of color. >> melissa murray, jennifer rubin, can't thank you enough for spending some time with us is a evening and shifting through all these different stories. greatly appreciate your time as always. >> my pleasure. >> still ahead, mitch mcconnell says his days in the senate and the senate leadership are numbered. question is, who steps up when he steps down? own? ate a home you'll love. it's the talk of the neighborhood. kelly! i just wayfair'd. -that's wayfair... saving time saving money.

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been saying he was proactive been able to work together and good faith even for many political disagreement. biden and, during his many years of leadership, we could always speak honestly and put the country ahead of ourselves. and if you are surprised by those kind words, if you are surprised that some democrats on the hill say they will actually miss mitch mcconnell, perhaps you haven't considered what his departure could main. trump's acolytes in the senate are planning a maga style takeover of the upper chamber because, make no mistake about, the former president will do everything he can to hand pick mcconnell successor whether he is elected to the white house are not. as political rights, trump's allies are eyeing a 182 great pivot from mcconnell's ronald reagan-esque outlook to a leader whose views reflect that more populist nationalist went off the trump era gop. in short, with mcconnell even, the senate chia page seems doomed to follow that trajectory of the house

republican conference. what we are more and more of these to adults in the room retire year after year handing power to more of far-right and extremist members of the freedom caucus. when that happens, true governance in this country, certainly on capitol hill, goes bye-bye. as david graham writes in the atlantic, mcconnell's exit will mark trump's conquest of the senate, the one element of the chia pay that still offer even little resistance to the former president. mcconnell hasn't even left yet but the power struggle, that republican civil war between maga and establishment republicans in the senate, is underway. currently the leading contenders to replace mcconnell fought with an that letter category. that is, the senate republican whip john thune, former senate gop with john cornyn, and it sure of the senate republican conference john bristle. all three have endorsed donald trump. but the maga faction is quickly turning against three johns, calling for a more trumpy

later. florida senator rick scott is reportedly seriously considering running, saying he wants a major change in leadership. trump himself has weighed in, reportedly urging maga loyalist steve daines to jump in the race. so he has a living breathing rubberstamp should trump be allowed back into that white house. so, yes, in the eyes of most, including myself, mitch mcconnell was not the best for bringing progress to america. but as the saying goes, better the devil you know than the devil you don't. which is exactly what we will talk about after the break with former alabama senator doug jones. jones. eds to be for more than just work. like when it needs to be a big soft shoulder to cry on. which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, fresher, and better. downy. breathe life into your laundry.

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i'm no longer the young man sitting in the back, hope and colleagues would remember my name. it is time for the next generation of leadership. >> it is the end of an era. before the break, we talked about what you may want to

temper excitement about mitch mcconnell leaving senate leadership, because these days much like gray heroes when you pluck one rhino, a member of mecca comes to the funeral. let's ask former alabama senator doug jones about this and much more. senator, great to see you again. thanks for making time for. us you worked with leader mcconnell. give me your initial reactions to his announcement to retire this week and what do you make of joe biden's comments and which he politely praises mitch mcconnell? do you worry that kind of language normalize some of the damage and destruction mitch mcconnell did to the senate? >> no, i don't think so at all. president biden has said this about mitch mcconnell from the day he was elected. in fact, he ran on the fact he and mcconnell had been friends for a long time. and he felt like he could work with it. the fact is, to a large extent, they did. if you look at the bipartisan legislation that was successful

over the first couple of years of the biden administration, the pack act, the infrastructure bill, those kinds of things. i think it's a genuine thing. president biden has worked with a lot of people over the years. he knew he had to work with senator mcconnell. the fact is, they had a mutual respect. they may disagree with each other on a lot politically, but they could trust each other. that is incredibly important in the senate and quite frankly i think it is something that is slowly being eroded in the senate today. >> what do you make of talk of some democrats, that, yes, mitch mcconnell was bad for this country but it's much better to have him running the senate shia peyton what might come in the form of a trump acolyte? are they forgetting just how bad mitch mcconnell was? specifically for the supreme court, blocking merrick garland, paving the way, ramming home one of the supreme court justices in the final couple of months before the end of president trump's term. and

as a result, overturning roe v. wade, which affects millions of people in this country. >> they are not forgetting that at. all democrats will never forget that and the country will never forget for a long, long time. in fact, that may very well be one of the things mitch mcconnell ends up regretting over the course of the rest of his life. but the fact of the matter is, but democrats in the senate right now understand and know they've got to deal with the senate as of today. not two years ago, three years ago, four years ago, or ten years ago. but today. and today is a different senate. today is a different world. as you noted, senators leaving, senators retiring on the republican side are being replaced, generally, with a trump acolyte from the maga faction. that's a different world than what mitch mcconnell was. those senators have not forgot. believe me, i talk to them. they will not forget. but that deal with what we're

facing them today and in front of them in the next few years. that's why they say that. i think everybody is concerned that the senate of the united states is about to become the house of representatives. that is not a good. look >> it as a fair point. talk to us about how this vote might play out. i think i mentioned this, but it's difference between the house and the senate. you only need a majority of your own party to win the way to ship, not the antibody. is it possible we won't see chaos like the house last year? how much leverage -- will the more extreme ones, j.d. vance warbranch poll might have in this process? >> you'll see, i think, a little bit of a chaos. but most of this is going to be going on behind closed doors. this will be a vote in that republican caucus. you are not going to have the c- span cameras out there. you are not good to have your cameras out there. this is going to play out behind closed doors and the jockeying

that will go on. it will look much more -- compared to what we saw at the house of representatives, it would look like a walk in the park. but there will be a lot of jockeying going on. there will be a lot side and gone behind the scenes right now between now and november, whenever they start taking votes. >> let me get your thoughts on something before i let you go. something happening in your home state. i'm sure you're following it closely. alabama's republican-led legislature passing a bill to protect ivf after the state supreme court ruled frozen embryos should be considered children. i doubt this is the end of the fight over ivf endless country. we are do you say this go when or how do you see this playing out? >> first of all, i'm not sure the bill will do what it is set out to. do we have a constitution amendment and the state, in 2018. the people of the state, the legislature passed a constitutional amendment that was voted on by the people of the state.

the opposition to that amendment, of which i was a part of, didn't really do the kind of job explaining what this could lead to. and that protects unborn children. and the legislation that's been paused does nothing but grunt immunity to doldrums and their providers, people like that. i don't know that you can do that. of note of the legislature can provide immunity when the constitution and the people of alabama have given a right. you've got to wait another lawsuit but if you're an insurer, which is the real problem right now, at these clinics close because they can't get insurance and they're concerned about the liability. i'm just not so sure this is over. but i can tell you what's happening in alabama. it can and will happen in every state in this country if we are not careful. >> it is safe to say this fight is far from over. foment senator doug jones of alabama, thank you so much for coming back on the show. great to see you, as always. >> thanks, man. >> another hour of ayman stocks

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on this hour of ayman, who better to talk about michigan politics then michael more he is with us to break down tonight's gop -- and of the uncommitted movement could spell doom for president biden's reelection campaign. also this hour, the u.s. makes its first airdrops of humanitarian aid into gaza. is it enough though to help

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