welcome back to the weekend, folks. super tuesday kicks off in less than 38 hours, i believe. voters in 16 states and american samoa will cast ballots for the parties 2044

presidential nomination. well president biden faces no serious competition, his margin of victory could shed light on the eagerness of democrats to check his name in november. and maybe the same could be said for donald trump, who has consistently lost 30 to 40% of the royal publican vote in early primary states. joining us now to discuss it all is the democratic governor jb pritzker of illinois. welcome governor. >> it's a tree having you here. you've been bringing the fire on behalf of president biden and the effort that is in front of the country, quite honestly. given the menace that is meant represented by donald trump. i want to show you some polling though out there from the new york times poll on the general election. right now biden is trailing former president trump by 43 to 48. also you have conversations out there we've got mr. trump's winning 97% of those who say

that they vote for him four years ago, you look at that -- 2020 vote. talk to us about the work that you see right now, and sort of moving the needle within that orbits of influence for the president, from 83 to higher 90s. and what does it say right now about where the country is, relative to the president, and why they look at him given the strength of the economy is handling of some pretty gnarly matters the way he has, and they're like well that's just not enough. >> let's be clear that super tuesday is going to be the starter pistol for the general election. we have not yet seen the contrast really put forward to the american people and it is a stark contrast. we are talking about a president who has stood up for the middle class every single day of his presidency versus a guy who frankly gave huge tax cuts to the wealthiest

americans. a president who has cut the cost of insulin for people to $35 and who has made health care more affordable for people versus a guy who wants to take millions from american health care away from them. and a president who stands up for a woman's right to choose, and for our freedoms, and a guy who put three zealots on to the supreme court, who have taken away a woman's right to choose, and many other freedoms we just talked about voting rights, yet another. so we've got real contrast here but people really haven't seen that because you've had this battle on the republican side where 30, 40, 50% of republicans aren't voting for donald trump in these primaries and now the battle will be joy and i, think on tuesday you're going to have finally again the starter pistol and we're going to see them off to the races. >> i just think governor there's a lot of consternation in hand wringing about the polls and, it's like this poll

says this, this poll says that, and i'm like okay but what are the people going to do. and you, we're so happy you're with us today, i know you're going home soon to illinois, you're going to go back and be with the people of your state, you are with some of the people in virginia last night, what are you hearing from not people, not the political professionals that do this every day, now they're political reporters what are you hearing from the people, what are they saying? >> they want to know what these two candidates are going to do for them, we know that democracy is on the line, if any of us talk about this every day, but frankly that is a lot among the insider class, what people want to know is how are you helping me at the kitchen table, are you helping me pay the bills, remember we have now the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, 14 million jobs created by this presidents we've seen true advancement for people all across america you walk out your front door and you're probably going to see one of 40,000 infrastructure projects that our president brought to us, remember the

other guy? he talked about infrastructure week, we're gonna have infrastructure decade because of our current president. i do think people also want to see empathy in their president, and what a stark contrast between joe biden and a guy who makes fun of people who are disabled, who attacks our veterans, and those are things that need to be reminded to people in their living rooms, in their neighborhoods, all across america, and that's going to happen over the next eight months. >> speaking some of that contrast, we saw some of it on full display at the u.s. mexico border. i want you to take a listen to what president biden had to say, and, we'll talk about it on the other side. >> folks, the bipartisan border security deal is a win for the american people. the majority of democrats and republicans both houses support this legislation, until someone came along and said don't do that, it'll -- it'll this to have a way to do business for

america for such a serious problem. >> it's pretty telling, governor, that i want to talk to a governor of illinois for something that's happening at the u.s. mexico border, and this is many ways -- one of the state with the biggest increases in immigration court cases in this country is yours. you said that this caught my eye during your annual budget address, we don't have any clear idea how long governor abbott intends to hold a nation hostage relative vent of course because the governor has been shipping migrants to your state via buses which i am told by advocates you don't know when they're coming, you don't know who is on them, and makes it extraordinarily difficult to prepare and to advocate for these migrants, speak to me about this. what do you do when you don't know how a governor in another state is going to continue to treat this crisis? >> we reelect somebody who actually cares about doing something about this. remember, the american people want their president and their leaders to get together, and come to some bipartisan

compromise, and that's what joe biden did, and what congressional democrats did. the republicans also came to the table and there wasn't agreements, you know who blew that agreement up? donald trump. he puts party over country, he put himself over country when he blows up what could have been a good border deal to stop the flow of people across our border, the asylum seekers. we need comprehensive again migration reform and democrats have been at the table for 40 years on this issue. republicans every single time have blown it up, and they did it once again at the behest of donald trump, i think that tells you a lot about this election, if you want to actually change what's going on at the border you want to elect joe biden again because he is the one who's willing to actually come to an agreement about this. >> governor i want to continue with that, though a little bit because i think it's an important narrative given how what alicia said about the context of this. you have the governor of texas

who is such disregard for human beings, then he puts them on a bus, lies to them to get them on a bus and ships them up. they're not american citizen so he feels he could do what he will with him. is there an effort among the governors to collectively push back on this, because i think the strength of what we see here with road behavior by certain people, certain governors is that there is no national outcry, there is no national coalition of governors from other states, whether they are impacted directly or indirectly by immigration and migration issues, to say what you're doing is inhumane, stop it. and either turn the buses back, or somehow enjoyed him for doing what he's doing collectively. i just don't see that. so i hear a lot of the rhetoric around this and everybody is outraged at least on television, but practically what can a governor like you, a

governor -- governor none can in virginia, do collectively to tell a colleague governor your behavior is reprehensible and it's illiberal and it's an american, stop it. >> border in immigration policy have to be made by the congress and the president. and again, we had that at the table and it could have been done. >> with the shipping a migrant is not a federal question, it's a state question, he's acting in his capacity of governor of a state. there is no federal conversation -- what he's doing is based on his own personal actions as governor, so a bed roll bill is not going to address that question, but it begins to address the question -- >> listen, i sympathize with every state that is receiving asylum seekers and even undocumented immigrants who can't manage those, and i suppose that is what governor

abbott is trying to tell everybody, by shipping folks across the country but what we've seen is that the inhumane way in which he has done it, first of all it's been completely political you asked about governors speaking out and telling him what we believe, kathy hopeful has been doing that i've been doing that, cara polis has been doing that, we're receiving those buses and i can tell you people are getting off the buses in the middle of winter when it was minus 30 degrees without a jacket, without shoes, these are folks who are wearing sandals. t-shirts. and they've been sent hungry as well and without regard to whether or not we have enough shelter in the cities, he simply aiming those buses where he thinks there will be a maximum political impact. we're managing through it, will manage. but the reality is that the border and immigration reform has to be something that is dealt with at the federal level, and once again donald trump is the one standing in

the way, it's not joe biden, donald trump stopped us from having that compromise past, we've got to recognize that and throw that back at donald trump, and make sure that the american public recognizes that the inhumane treatment that governor abbott is showing the nation is the kind of policy that republicans believe in, and i don't think that is what the american public believes. >> i don't think that's what they believe in either but it is in fact what is happening. i think to your point, calling it out but also holding the people responsible, i.e. congress for their inaction, republicans in congress, donald trump, and governor abbott for what he is doing, is quite important. what most concerns you about this election as we barrel towards 2024, november 2024? >> we've got to remind people that if they don't get to vote this election is lost. >> so turnout is what's most

concerned? >> turnout is an enormously important, and i think the message about who donald trump is, reminding people what the four years that he had an office where really about, the attacks on people while he was president the reduction of health care under him, the giveaways to big pharma, when we really need to expand health care, he's handing big tax breaks to big pharma and frankly making it harder for americans to get the kind of medications that they need. so i don't think that we've really made the case yet because we haven't been in the general election yet, too much distraction in the republican primary its time finally to take this case to the american people about who donald trump really is, remind them that what we want is someone who wears empathy on his sleeve, someone who actually is standing up for the middle class, and not someone who is attacking people again who are disabled, veterans, this is somebody who has no character,

donald trump and i don't think that the american people when they finally look at these two candidates are going to choose that. >> well i hope you're right, because it's a struggle. the governor sticking around. we have more questions for you, we want to chat. we want to talk about the judges in your state because they just ruled that donald trump should be kicked off the primary ballot there, this is the weekend on msnbc. the weekend on msnbc. a force to be reckon with. no, not you saquon. hm? you! your business bank account with quickbooks money, now earns 5% apy. 5% apy? that's new! yup, that's how you business differently. (christina) with verizon business unlimited,

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this week an illinois judge ruled that donald trump is not eligible to be on the states republican primary ballot for his role in the january six insurrection. the outcome of this case, and cases in colorado in maine, will likely be decided by the u.s. supreme court. this primary is a little more than two weeks away, and early voting has already begun. illinois governor jb pritzker is back with us. governor, you have voters in your state who probably feel like they're -- 14th amendment but also on this question of presidential immunity. do you have faith in the supreme court? >> well they haven't really given us much reason to have faith in them but i will say that this is going to be a based on a technical aspect of the constitution and whether or not if donald trump hasn't actually been convicted of insurrection whether he can be held liable according to the constitution and, kept off the ballot.

that's not something that we all will decide in illinois, it's going to get decided at the u.s. supreme court. meanwhile i think that we are prepared to fight this battle at the ballot box, and you gotta remember we've done this twice before. we've beaten donald trump in illinois by 16 points, in 2016, and 17 points in 2020. he's in trouble in illinois, we want him on the ballot frankly because he's a detriment to republicans across the united states, but especially in illinois. >> that point about you want him on the ballot, this idea that the democrats would like nothing more than to have donald trump removed because they are so concerned about joe biden running against him, it's like he's actually interact but the reason people are bringing these challenges and oftentimes they are republicans who are bringing the challenges to remove him from about, is because of what donald trump has done. >> that's true and remember that people are truly offended, i mean middle class americans

working americans people who've been left out and left behind they know what donald trump was doing to them for four years of president c and they don't need a lot of reminding but they do need to be reminded and like i said before we're going to make sure that we do that over the next eight months but we think we can beat him at the ballot box and all across the nation as you know i've been traveling the nation to make sure that we're putting pro-choice amendments on the ballot in nevada, in arizona, montana, we're working in florida and elsewhere and here in virginia i might add but we think that people showing up to vote in november for their freedoms and especially women, people who understand that donald trump is trying to take those freedoms away, they're going to also vote for pro-choice candidates. >> can i read this for a second because your work to put abortion on the ballot across the country is happening in the context of yes, row, but what

donald trump's allies are going to say that they're going to do in the next election, allies are saying that donald trump is planning on department of life, it's an abortion crackdown in the second term, these plans come from the heritage foundation but this project 2025 is directly linked to what, these are like all the plans for his next administration, should he be elected they are coming after abortion, the coming after contraception, we've seen folks come after ivf. this is not a hypothetical situation >> clarence thomas give you a preview in his right up on dobbs. he told you basically that they're coming after gay marriage, the coming after women's health, and they're coming after contraception, and guess what, we just saw in alabama, they're coming after ivf. i have to tell you, i think that the republicans brought this on themselves, people should be reminded over and over again that this is just the beginning of what they're trying to take away from you.

>> let's pick up on that point, because polling still shows, and simone and i, we hate the polls. >> we like staples better. >> national polling right now is a farce, but the state on the ground polls i think are little bit closer to where folks are. but you still have a narrative problem, governor, that there is this disconnect. between what voters are likely to do, saying that they would like to do donald trump is their choice and what your right now sharing with us in terms of these mistakes that matter. how do you make that, what is the game plan to make that connection, is it on the ground, is it in the air, what is the narrative and what is the vehicle through which you get this communicated, so folks understand. you can do the fallback, as someone i know, that people

aren't paying attention. in a way they are. they're looking at it, they are forming some ideas, you're right super tuesday really is the bell that signals the general election. but i think a lot of us are nervous, a lot of us are concerned that there are more americans that are buying the crap coming out of donald trump's mouth every day because it's soothing, they think he's actually going to do something for them, when joe biden is doing something for them? . >> but i think the contrast again has to be made clear, we think on the air, on social media, online and at the doors. remember that we democrats are best when we are knocking on doors, making sure that we talk to people at doors and getting them out to vote and that's what we're doing all across the country, we know where the swing states are, we know that we've gotta do a lot of work at the doors, but again the contrast is stark. stark. if you believe that women's

reproductive rights are important then we're gonna make sure you know who stands where, that kamala harris and joe biden are standing up for your freedom, that donald trump is the one that took it away. making sure the people understand that you're voting rights have been taken away by donald trump's supreme court, and that if joe biden gets an opportunity to appoint people to the supreme court, he already has, he puts on people who stand up for voting rights and will help pass laws that protect those rights so. again that case hasn't been made, the starkness of the two choices has not been made in front of people. i know that you all are on television constantly, you talk about it. but i'm talking about at the doors and side by side people need to see it, we don't yet have the two candidates side by side, at those rights are going to be taken away even further. we talk about democracy, i do not think that is the best argument for us to make to the american public. i think it's an argument

because it's true, but i think the vast majority of people, what they want to know is what are you going to do for me, helping me get a better job, getting a better wage, making sure that our country is more secure, on all those fronts joe biden has proven that he is the best choice. >> we have learned from room pointing that that is likely what we're going to hear from the president at his state of the union on thursday, i'm pretty judicious, governor about when i play sound from former president trump, but when it comes to this question of mental acuity i think sometimes it is best to hear from the man himself. here is former president trump in richmond, virginia, just last night. >> when i said barack hussein obama, the president of our country, on the news that i think donald trump didn't know the name of our presidents. he said it was president obama. it's president biden. so i have to be very careful. >> governor, i think the lady dot protest too much if part of

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breaking moments ago, nikki haley just told -- on meet the press that she no longer feels bound by the rnc pledged that she made to endorse the winner of the republican presidential primary. meaning that she might not endorsed donald trump. >> the rnc pledge, at the time of the debate we had to take it to where would you support the nominee, and you had in order to get on that debate stage you said yes. the rnc is now not the say rnc, now -- so you're no longer bound by that pledge. >> no, i think i make what decision i want to make. but that's not something i'm thinking about. >> don't think about it, do it. what are you doing -- so really you're, just say it. i'm not to endorsing the dude. >> this is me begging nikki haley to just pick the ball

that they keep dropping, pick it up, i just don't understand, that was her opportunity to say no i don't feel bound by it and frankly i am still in this race because i don't think donald trump should be president, and i won't be endorsing him, and i'm not ready to endorse trump, i'm endorsing myself, come and get the -- at the end of the day or endorsing donald trump because at this stage why are you going into super tuesday, what's the point of super tuesday if you're not prepared to say i'm not endorsing this guy, why are you continuing to fight it, makes no sense otherwise, so draw the line established a contrast that you've been talking about, and make it very clear that not just super tuesday but into the can convention, i'm in this fight. we just talked about, alicia, in the last segment with the governor, when you have trump out here talking about republicans as rhinos and all

this other stuff. draw the line, and i don't understand, that's what i'm thinking about, what's to think about? do it. >> there were two things and noticed, one was a not so subtle shade about this rnc is not the same rnc that i signed this pledge under, this is now becoming trump's rnc, i also think we should remember he told her that marquette doesn't want her, he told me that my guy needs to get her out so if he comes asking for her endorsement she can very easily say i'm not going to give you an endorsement that you yourself a basically told me you do not want. >> there you. go, that's what i'm saying. >> that her calculation is just not making sense, you either drop contracts or, you don't she has started to draw more contrast but if people are concerned about a future, i just want to say the current vice president of the united states, the -- and said that little girl was me, i was there. it worked out in the end. we must compete, that's what campaigns are about.

>> clearly. and competition is weak right now, next the justice department says it is totally fine to put donald trump on trial during an election, andrew weissmann and barbara mcquade join us after a quick break. you're watching the weekend on msnbc. weekend on nbc.

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we just discussed with governor pritzker the state of illinois kicking donald trump off its republican primary ballot. any day now the supreme court could decide the fate of this and other 14th amendment challenges to trump's eligibility. but as you well know they are taking their sweet time. the state at the heart of the original case, colorado, is already voting ahead of its super tuesday primary. it comes as the high courts -- of the other big case, trump's presidential immunity claim. joining us now -- former senior member of the mueller investigation, and co-author of the brand-new book, the trump

indictments, the -- with commentary. also with us is msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade she is a former u.s. attorney and she just released the book attack from within, how disinformation is sabotaging america. good morning, friends. >> i love the legal books. we need them right about now. i'm just wondering andrew, barb, did you hear what governor pritzker had to say? we asked him about illinois and the supreme court devoting to essentially kick donald trump off this the ballot, and governor pritzker said what i've heard a lot of democrats say which is the supreme court needs to weigh in, we are going to beat him at the ballot box. your thoughts? >> barb, why don't you go first and all follow you? >> thank you. i think until we saw the oral arguments of this case before the supreme court it was an absolutely legitimate and appropriate arguments to say that the language of the 14th

amendment section three has strong evidence to suggest that donald trump should not be on this ballot, but i think we saw a lot of skepticism from almost all of the justices and so i don't know when this decision is coming or its exact scope, it seems to be unlikely that a supreme court is going to say that donald trump is ineligible for the ballot -- that's a job for congress. i think the governor pritzker is probably right that the best and most effective strategy for beating donald trump is at the ballot box. >> you agree? >> of course, for one my view is you never disagree with barb. all i think the pitch for her book which is really terrific and i couldn't be more timely, about disinformation given that were -- i do agree that ultimately the america it will be the judge and jury, with respect to who is the next

president but i do think particularly where the supreme court decision to slow walk the immunity case i think that they're basically not allowing the public to see a trial where the facts are laid out, with respect to what donald trump is accused of doing, criminally. remember, donald trump is saying it's a witch hunt, this is a hoax, this is just the biden administration going after me, one way to defeat that is to basically knock the delay the criminal case so that the administration has an opportunity to show that that's not true, of course the american public can make its own decision but that is one of the reasons we have trials is that that is where facts and losses don't matter, and that's a forum for donald trump to either prove or disprove and not just rely on disinformation, which as barb

has written about, is not a reliable source for information. >> andrew weissmann, i have a bone to take with you, which is yesterday that melissa murray was -- a copy -- no copy from you, it is a very heavy book. there are a lot of counts in turns out, those add up when you start adding elements to it, so next time i expect a signed copy. >> you want my rebuttal to that? >> no. what i want to talk about is -- judge cannon may not have order in her court but i have ordered in the studio. yesterday we talked about the six-day rule, and i think we did it without defining it. so first i want you to define it and then i want to talk about how it doesn't or doesn't apply to the the doj. >> yes. by the way, i have mike, i'm sidebar. melissa told me she gave you the book so she has it. so the 60-day rule, the 60-day rule is just this red herring that people keep talking about

it. does not apply. here's what. it is it isn't in colonel department of justice guidelines, it's not the law, it's an internal policy, and this is the policy. if you've got a covert investigation, something that is not public, within 60 days or so of an election the department is supposed to stay quiet, and why is that. the idea is if you start making public accusations against someone who is running for office they're not going to have enough time to get to court and have a trial to vindicate that this is not true. and so the idea is out of fairness you have this quiet period. this is the opposite, this is a public indictment where the government is actually saying we wanted the trial, we wanted the opportunity to vindicate, and the defendant has the opportunity to vindicate her name, so it's just a complete non sequitur for people to raise it. >> it's not just people, barr, it's to judge cannon. the fact that you had to have doj referring here that the

jewel rule doesn't apply here, that feels like a, tell. >> yeah. i think one of the things that happens is people pay attention to whatever media eco sphere they listen to, and so no doubt she heard this argument, donald trump has racist argument that the case can't begin within 60 days the election and so she probably ought to know better having ben's u.s. attorney herself, all of us trained on that rule, but nonetheless she wanted to hear it and andrew has just effectively explained, so i think there's a lot of disinformation out there, and speaking of that topic for example i have said here and elsewhere many times that the right to a speedy trial is not just to the defendant but also to the public, the supreme court -- the federal speedy trial act says so and yet i think that there is this pushback that it is just a defendant's right and that the prosecution and the public have no similar right, and so for that reason i think that jack

smith is advocating that the public's right to a speedy trial matters and he's trying to push for a trial date before the election. >> i want to go in a slightly different vein here, because barbara you put something that we've talked about. a lot of the disinformation that's out there. because right now, the lawyers are saying what lawyers say. and the analysis is perfect for that. but donald trump is controlling the conversation and the narrative, and you have a lot of americans who are not checked in the way i think a lot of us think they are, and liz cheney really pointed that out in a tweet in which she noted, delaying the january six trial suppresses critical evidence that americans deserve to hear. donald trump attempted to overturn an election and seize power. our justice system must be able to bring him to trial before the next election. scotus should decide this case promptly.

so you had these two things that are -- you've got the pace of the trial and then you've got the information about donald trump's behavior, the fact patterns, the reality of what, why he's in this predicament. how do we get these two things to line up so that the american people have a fuller, more complete picture of the heinous behavior that the illiberal behavior, the efforts by this man to overturn an election so that they put completely to contextualize what is in front of them because voters are starting to vote. super tuesday voters are voting on, donald trump. yes you've got states like illinois trying to kick him off the ballot and all this other drama that's going on all people know, they get a ballot and they see trump's name, and they're gonna vote one way or the other help us understand why this convergence has to happen sooner rather than

later. >> yes, i think michael the best way for the public to see the airing of the evidence is through a public trial. a trial is designed to be a form that is fair to the defendant, and provides due process and the presumption of innocence. it requires the presentation of evidence, and we know that this is evidence not just argument, not just speculation, not just different formation and false claims the court will be the arbiter of what is admissible evidence, based on its reliability and so for that reason that is the best way to dispel all of the mess that's out, they're the swirl of claims of disinformation and what appears on truth social i is a speedy public trial. spee

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donald trump's first criminal trial begins in new york on march 25th. the manhattan district attorney alvin bacchus already requested a limited gag order on trump's speech that would prohibit him from attacking witnesses or exposing jurors identities. they were waiting to see what happens with the fallout of the

civil fraud trial as well, so losers in civil cases routinely have to put up cash for bond covering the entire award if they want to delay paying the winner while they appeal. in this case, that would be more than 400 and $50 million out of donald trump's pocket, but trump has asked permission to deposit less than a fourth of that, only 100 million dollars. andrew weissmann and barbara mcquade are back with us. >> it makes you wonder if -- i, mean i don't know. >> you go ahead and talk about. it >> you know, barb, i saw the piece you cowrote in the new york times about the stakes that this manhattan d.a. case, and how it is so important. we call it a gag order, but i think it is important that people really understand what we are talking about and why alvin bragg even asked for it. the request made in filings by the manhattan district attorney's office noted of mr. trump's long-standing history of attacking witnesses,

investigators, or prosecutors, judges, and others, legal proceedings against him. so this is not just shut donald trump up for any reason, this is a security concern. >> absolutely. and so we know from other examples that when donald trump goes after people, the public listens, and his supporters listen. he may not know exactly who or where or when, but it is fair to say and realize that somebody out there who here is this message and is perhaps a bit unhinged might go after some of those witnesses. it is likely to have a chilling effect on their testimony. some people might be afraid to show up to testify at all. it is not just the witnesses, it is also the jurors that need to be protected here. so when alvin bragg is seeking his, no violation of trump's first amendment rights. gag orders are issued all the timing cases so that the case is decided in court based on evidence, and not based on extrajudicial statements that are made -- public opinion.

alvin bragg is asking for a very narrowly tailored order here, so it wouldn't prevent on trump from saying anything at all about the case, or even about alvin bragg himself, just preventing him from targeting witnesses -- >> we talk about the witnesses, retake of the, jurors and it comes a time when you have judge engoron being sent a white powder last week, and -- caused an emergency response. this takes year are very real when -- in this case. you point out to me, trump -- real attorneys in this case, and legal arguments. >> yes, so one of the things that we are going to see march 25th when the new york criminal case starts and all sorts of cases we have, seen we have talked about the delay and all these other criminal cases. this one is going. one of the things that is really great to see and from people like -- who have many criminal prosecutors most of our lives, also been a defense lawyer, when i sting we are going to see in manhattan is

really good lawyers on both sides. it will be really nice for the public, because there is sort of an educational process and seeing, this in seeing that there will be fairly good advocates on both sides. and so, that is one thing that is nice to see. i think there is a lot of mutual respect. people sometimes think that prosecutors and defense lawyers don't get -- that is generally not true. they sort of understand their roles and jobs, so i think that is really good. there obviously are going to be some very heated factual pieces. michael cohen probably being number one. because, he does not just have sort of a package of what he did prior to his being prosecuted and pleaded guilty, but as he has said under oath in a new york attorney general civil case, he has said that he lied to the federal judge and when he said he was guilty, he said one of the things he said he was guilty of was not true.

it means either he -- gave that testimony, or he lied to the federal judges. >> and engoron saying this is a good witness? >> so that is absolutely a good fact for this state case, but remember this is going to be tried to a jury and they will make their own assessment and todd blanche and susan -- who are the donor trump attorneys in that case, they are really experiencing -- for eons and she is going to correctly make hay of, that and question how that could be that case. also, why there have been no ramifications for. it usually if you are telling people publicly that you just lied to a federal judge, something happens and so it will be interesting to see how one of the things i'm interested in, how is the stake going to deal with that when the prosecutor put somebody on saying that how are they going to try to pull the teeth up the

issue. so that is one of the main factual issues that will be -- to keep an eye on. >> barbara, i wanted to play a quick mash-up of -- on trump's four realty with his money. >> this guy is worth a lot of money, billions and billions of dollars. >> i mean of course he has money, he is a billionaire. >> unfortunately they picked the wrong guy to pick on in my opinion. he is strong, he is resilient, and he happens to have a lot of cash. >> so when the judge hears that, he is asking i only want to put up 100, million what happens? >> yes, i think the judge views that with great skepticism. and regardless, the judgment in this case was 450 million with interest. the purpose of having this sort of -- is to avoid having a defendant manipulate the system

when there is a judgment to be able to appeal there has to be collateral put up for the appeal. the bond has to be for the full amount. he can get a loan if he does not have all that money, but in light of these decisions, it is probably very difficult for donald trump to get a loan right now. but he is offered, let's make a deal, i will offer you 100 million. there's a, no it is not how it works. the bond because every day that goes by, the people in the state of new york are not getting paid. so if you believe you have a -- put your money where your mouth is, and give it to the, people we will hold on to, it we want to make sure that your delay is not to your man if it. >> put it up, or put it up. andrew weizmann, barbara mcquade, thank you all very much. andrew's new book is the trump indictments -- with commentary, and barbs's attack from within, disinformation and sabotaging america. michael and i would also like

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