all the time. it's dangerous for people with disabilities being homeless, but it showed me how to survive it made me stronger. >> i hope everybody as they do, like you do, because everyone of us who lives in the city walks by people who are homeless, and how people think differently about that we don't always and that's why your being in your position eccentric difference. warren thanks for doing what you do, thanks for having the courage to keep undoing. it thank you for joining us this morning. warren mcgee is a co-chair of the consumer advisory board for the boston home health care for the homeless program. that does it for me, thanks for watching. inside with jen psaki begins now. when it comes to the criminal trials facing donald trump, timing is everything. specifically, more time. and by taking up his claim of presidential immunity, trump's friends and they -- threw him a major lifeline in the form of a

delay. these big moments involving the courts in the role of law, there is no one i like talking to more than congressman jamie raskin. lucky for us, he's here in studio and he's coming up first. plus we'll ask the law firm of weissmann and katya how all this might impact the classified documents case down in florida. also today, dueling visits at the southern border, as a former president fires up the four machine. i'm gonna ask -- what democrats should be doing about. it and later, mitch mcconnell announces he'll leave his leadership post later this year. we'll take a deep dive into his legacy and the frankenstein monster he helped create. >> in the years since donald trump's third supreme court nominee was confirmed, just weeks before the 2020 election, there has been this big question hanging out there, will they help him, and if so when will they help him. well this week the supreme

court announced they were taking up trump's absurd claim of presidential immunity, and in turn they granted him the thing that he commits the most. more time. because when you're running for president to stay out of prison you sure don't want to stand trial before election day, and by taking up this case the court has now raised the real prospect that he may not. for reasons that remain completely unclear they will not even hear oral arguments until a full seven days from now, so trump's election interference trial that one point by the way was scheduled to start tomorrow is now being punted months down the calendar. and yes, i know that the wheels of justice can move slowly, i've made this point myself many times. but guess what? the supreme court can move very quickly when it wants to. let me give you a few examples, let's take bush v. gore in 2000. the court decided the election in three days. they don't need to look even that far back for more examples this very court, same members of the court, this very year

moved quickly in a separate case related to trump when he asked the same justices to take up the colorado case regarding his ballot eligibility, they agreed, two days later, and scheduled arguments for the following month. that's downright speedy, if i do say. so the chance to move with a similar urgency here, even more so, that could've taken up this issue back in december when jack smith urge them to consider his emergency appeal and keep the trial on schedule, but of course they did not. they waited until this week to announced they would take up the case and they will wait until late april to even hear the oreo arguments. they know exactly what this means for the trial schedule, they have a counter. and they did it anyway. so the supreme court might claim they are not in the political business but they just knowingly put the country in a position where people might not know if they are voting for a convicted criminal on election day. that if that's not injecting yourself into politics i'm not sure what is. we don't know for certain that there won't be a trial before november, there could be,

there's a very real chance that we could still see one and we'll talk about that today at the same time we are also facing a harsh but important reality that is important to call out. we cannot bet on the justice system protecting us from the day one dictator. there is no magic wand, no mythical savior, nor fanciful courtroom ending, and yes it is true that if trump does not stand trial before this election for the crime of trying to overturn the last one, because of court that he helped shape with remembers. then that would be one of the great miscarriage of justice in the history of our country. but there is another extremely important thing to remember here, we all know what he did there is no doubt about the basic facts in any of these cases, really. we watch the insurrection, he incited in the u.s. capital unfold on television, we saw the photos of the boxes of classified documents in his bathroom, we heard the tape of him on the phone asking the georgia secretary of state to find him votes even trump's claim of presidential immunity tells us that he has no interest in disputing the

facts, that's not his argument it's never been i didn't do it, it's always been i did it and i was allowed to, that's his arguments. so the american people deserve trials before elections, of course they do. we shouldn't need them in any of these cases to know what he did. and to know the danger he poses to democracy and to our rights. there are people who are always going to vote for him, convictions or no convictions, there's no question about that. the question now is about the rest of us. the rest of us know what happened. the rest of us know what he did, the rest of us see what the choices between these two candidates, we could still get a trial before november, but we might not. either way, voters will have to defend our country on election day, casting a ballot will be the most powerful antidote to the threat of donald trump. joining me now is someone i love talking to about rule of law, courts, everything, congressman jamie raskin. he led the second impeachment trial -- he's now the rinse ranking democrat on the house oversight committee. i know you have a lot of

thoughts on what transpired this week, but i want to start just with, because i'm sure you thought about this, it takes for justices to decide to take up a case, and when they take up a case they don't have to take up cases, of course, they decide not to take a penny of cases all the time, there's sort of throwing up their the notion that this is an open question. what do you think about that? >> this was an obvious case not to take up, and just let the d.c. circuit court ruling stands. it's a completely exhaustive and totally compelling decision, saying that the claim that the president can escape criminal prosecution for criminal acts that he conducts in office is utterly antithetical to everything that we know about our constitution, we don't have a king here, we had a revolution against ticking and the constitution is written so that presidents main job is to take care of the laws are faithfully executed, not face fully violated in his own interest. >> history tells us that to. i've been trying to figure this out, i don't know if you have an answer for us, but they could have decided back in

december when jack smith asked them to decide if they were going to take up this case, they could've decided them to do it or not. why do you think they didn't? >> if they really wanted to pronounce on this police banality, this totally obvious point, they could've taken it up in december and send it back a day or two later. at this point i don't want to be crying over spilled milk but they're going to hear it on april 20 seconds, i hope that we will get a decision from the court april 23rd or 24th, because as we saw in bush versus gore if they can move at josh hawley type speeds when they want to get something done and in bush versus gore i think that they render their opinion in the day after oral argument, and that is what america should expect here. >> there is one theory here that the reason it's been so delayed is that there is a descent, let someone thinks that presidents are immune, or more than one person. do you think that, on this court? >> what they did was they opened up the question to something much larger than what needs to be decided, the very specific question is if a

president engages in insurrection airy activity in order to overthrow an election, he's lost by more than 7 million votes, 306 to 2:32 in the electoral college, is he immune from criminal prosecution for criminal acts undertaken in pursuit of that plan? well that's a very specific and clean question, and this court has always insisted that it's a minimalist court, he wants to look at the most specific question but here they opened it up to the far broader question of if the president engages in some actions that lead to criminal prosecution, is he subject to them depending on the definition of watson official act and what's not? >> these justices know what their powers are, they know the court schedule, they have the same calendar. do you look at this court and say some of these justices want to delay these trials? >> well, yeah. if you don't believe that your two innocent to be let out of

the house by yourself at this point this is a court driven by the both trump nominees and bush nominees, and neither of those guys was elected with the popular vote, so we've got a supreme court that is representing the choices of minority presidents and they have been driving very hard to overturn a whole series of precedents that america has come to take for granted, like roe v. wade. and we're still dealing with a tremendous aftershock of the dobbs decision, as america wakes up to the fact that it's right-wing straight legislators in a lot of states now were deciding the destiny of women. >> activism has influence, there's no question about that. they're not fully free from influence. i want to repeat this, because it's so important, i'll talk about this later the show to. the department of justice 60- day rule does not prevent a trial for moving forward in september and october. he's already been indicted. judge chutkan, we've all been watching her.

she's going to be under tremendous pressure of course to decide efficient move forward. one, would you be comfortable with a trial moving forward in september and october, if we get there, it's close to the election, and what do you think she will do? >> i think that the rule of law should proceed. if trials oven set, if there is a trial set for monday, for tomorrow, they should proceed without totally unusual and indeed extraordinary intervention by the supreme court. having said that, i don't want to build up the trial in d.c. to be the be all and the end all. and this process -- i mean, donald trump already always more than a half billion dollars because he's been cooking the books and lying about the value of his properties new york. he's already been found to be responsible by unanimously by ever jury of his peers for sexually assaulting, four -- and then defaming some the woman that he raped, repeatedly defaming her. should that be enough? i don't want to build it up,

like if we get this decision than america will be able to do the right thing, but without it's the american electorate will have to disregard everything we know about donald trump who is a vicious self promoter, and a narcissist, and someone who is constantly in spectacular disrespect of the rule of law. he has no program for the country other than to get him and his family back into office so they can revive their process of enriching themselves. >> this is also true and, so important for people to hear what you just said, is that we know a lot about him already, he's done these things in broad daylight and he has already been convicted in some cases that should really make people question, and i've got friends on the hill who say they don't want to see him on trial six weeks or eight weeks before the election because he loves nothing better than to strike the pose of a martyr. he's in all these prosecutions because of the offenses he's committed, but he would love to

say, the coast happen to be before the -- >> jury about that? or do you think let's see where it is, and -- if there at that point? >> it's hard to remember what it was like, what would be nice to think about the rule of law as being something separate from the campaign process. and of course donald trump has merge them in his inimitable way, simply because he is a one- man crime wave, and there are so many crimes and so many civil torts and long full actions out there that is pastors coming back to haunt him. >> no question. part of trump's desire to delay here, as you and i have talked about many times, is that he wants to get into office so he can and the trials or and the legal challenges against him, by using any means possible. do you worry that if these trials are delayed to the point where you've got into office, it will incentivize him to stay in office even longer. >> public office for him is just a get out of jail free card, and bankruptcy protection.

it's all about what's going to benefit him. >> so personally to avoid jail, to avoid paying money, he could avoid that. i do want to turn to another topic, there's plenty going on. you must be very tired, because you've been doing a lot. but your colleagues on the oversight committee, you know the ones i'm talking about, they brought into hunter biden this week for closed-door deposition after he said he would do a publicly. now they want him to come back into it publicly, it's all completely ludicrous but this is just a week after we found out that their key witness has been receiving information from russian sources. >> alexander smirnoff started the whole thing, with this so- called 10:23 form. and so he said that hunter and joe biden got $10 million between them from burisma, in ukraine. now david weiss, who is the u.s. attorney appointed by donald trump in delaware, who is now the special counsel in

the hunter biden case, he is prosecuting and has indicted smirnoff for lying to the fbi and constructing a false documentary records, and he is up to his neck with russian intelligence, and the whole thing now has a very strong with of a russian at active measure intelligence. >> and your colleagues are bearing forward, at a certain point are becoming russian unwittingly becoming russian assets. >> after heralding the sky as their key star witness now they're saying he didn't have much to do with it, we've got a lot of every evidence. but right now we've got a potential russian assets or agent in jail for making applies and telling them to the u.s. government we've got another of their star witnesses who is an accused accomplice to chinese intelligence who's on the lamb, that the u.s. government is looking for, and every one of their star witnesses turns out to be

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a trump loyalist and has been rebuked twice by the 11th circuit rulings that were overly sympathetic to the former president. and while candidate encircled date on the counter during friday's hearing, she did drop some serious hints that she intends to delay trump's trial. among other things, she proactively brought up the doj's quote 60-day rule, which prohibits the department of justice from taking action that could affect an upcoming election. to be clear, that's an internal guidelines that. applies to criminal investigations in charge of decisions. not trials. but i suspect you will be hearing that argument from trump loyalists over and over again in the coming months. judge cannon should know it's a moot point. but smith's team still had to explain to her they are in full compliance with their own departments policies. basically, that's not a thing. joining me now is our in-house law firm -- u.s. solicitor general and her what -- general counsel at the fbi, and senior member of robert mueller's team.

and they're with us for two blocks, today which infill by. and you, i'm gonna start with you. let's start by establishing, and i think it's first so important for people to understand this, the 60-day rule in this case is not a thing. can you explain with the doj rule actually is, and your level of concern that judge cannon, with who should know better, asked about it and raised. it >> sure. there are two issues with judge cannon raising it, first of all it's an internal rule. it's not a law, it's not something that gives any rights to any defendant, and judge cannon had been at the justice department she knows that so the idea that she raised its is issue number one, that's red flag number one as to why is she even raising something that is just internal department guidance that the guidance could be changed by merrick garland any day of the week. second, the rule does not apply. for anybody that they had that has been at the justice department this is such a red

herring. this is why it completely wrong. that rule is intended so that the justice department does not take action in a covert case that is suddenly overt shortly before an election. why? because you don't want to influence the election when that person the candidate doesn't have an opportunity to get to trial. they want their day in court just to show that these allegations by the justice department are wrong. why is that not applicable here? these are over delegations where the justice department is actually asking for a day in court so that the defendant has the opportunity to refute these allegations. and they could not be more wrong headed. issue number here for -- how she does not know that as someone who's in the justice department even if you just look at the rule you know it does not apply here. there those are two things that were really concerning about why she even raised this issue in a court of law. >> maybe she doesn't know it.

so neil, you've seen cannons actions, you also know very well the power of judges. how confident are you that the documents case will go to trial before november. there are other means of trying to delay, judges have power to do that. >> first of all, just big picture, jen, i think donald trump had his best legal weaken years and it's because of what we're talking about, about judge cannon on the hearing on friday, but also because the supreme court -- january six immunity case with a really slow timeline to hear him, and as you start of the show with us, timing is everything. with respect to judge cannon, this is a case that is really straightforward but unfortunately so far she has forged a long and winding path toward it being resolved and there's a reason why donald trump attacks every single judge in the country whose hearing is cases but besides her because so far she's been willing to bend the rule of law to help him out. i take a 60-day thing a little

bit differently than andrew, he's absolutely right on the substance of the rule, it doesn't apply it all. but sometimes judges asked those kinds of questions not just to make sure in in the like, and maybe hope springs eternal but i my hope is i love to see judge cannon do the right thing, after all donald trump asked for an august trial date in this case well before the election. let's give him what he wants, i was national security advisor at the justice department where i saw these kinds of cases, there's no reason for it take longer, and sometimes judges defies expectations. remember when judge cannon made those crazy rulings last year -- it went up the 11th circuit court of appeals and people said oh they're going to be hopelessly biased towards trump. they reviewed her unanimously, and my hope is that something similar will happen here, the judge cannon sets this for trial, the american public deserves to know what happened with all of these very highly classified stolen documents.

>> we love a little hope on this show. okay, andrew, i have to ask because the immunity conversation just feels like it's overlapping everywhere, so the washington post also raise the alarming prospect to me, at least the judge cannon could decide to hold proceedings pending a supreme court decision on immunity, even though that appeal stems from an entirely different case. help us understand, could you do that? what do you think about the possibility that? >> she could do it, but like which let me just make people understand why it would be so really insane. not only are they're all these issues it shouldn't apply in the d.c. case, which deals with conduct by trump when he was in office, when he was president. but here the charges relate to conduct when he was out of office, so his claim is that i was allowed to eye, was legally allowed to take these documents to mar-a-lago of course the charges are about what he did once they were in mar-a-lago, and he was no longer president, this is like somebody robbing a

bank, using a gun, shooting the guard, and saying but i legally had the gun. >> aha, yeah. that's quite an analogy, i'm going to reuse. it neil, andrew, stick around, don't go anywhere, don't turn off their cameras. i have several more questions for you, we'll be right back after a quick break. be right k after a quick break. time we will have♪ ♪you... can make it happen...♪ ♪♪ try dietary supplements from voltaren for healthy joints. with nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. ask about nurtec odt. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need...

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totally unnecessary. so i guess fortunate to save himself a bit of a headache there. forward issued that pardon precisely because presidents are not immune from criminal prosecution, and the text of the pardon made that view crystal clear. it says quote, as a result of certain acts occurring before is vaccination but -- richard nixon has become liable to possible indictment and trial for offenses against the united states. even as a former president, nixon was still culpable for the crimes he committed while he was in office. so let's be real here, no president whatever need a pardon if they were entitled to the kind of immunity trump is now claiming. and yet trump himself once believed he would need one when he was facing criminal liability from bob mueller in 2018. trump didn't claim he was immune, he claimed he could pardon him self. >> on the powder power, do you believe that you are above the law. >> no. no, i'm not above the law. i never want anyone to be above

the law. but the pardons are very positive thing for president, i think you see the way i'm using them, and yes i do have an absolute right to pardon myself. >> it raises the question, why would trump even consider a pardon for himself if he was already immune from prosecution. we're back with neal katyal, and andrew weissmann. andrew, i hope that didn't give you some trauma, i'm sure you remember that moment from 2018, but it certainly seems -- to bring us the present day. the whole immunity argument was contrive solely so trump could evade justice. what does it say, in your view, of the court that they are considering it. it makes it an open question. >> that's true. i think though that something you said in the opening, and neal alluded to, the timeline that the court set makes it really clear to me that they took this case to delay the trial. and stay with me here, because i think there's sort of two things to keep an eye on, one is the timeline for deciding the sole issue that is before the supreme court, which is

this immunity question. what is not before the court, what is not supposed to be important before the court was the trial date. on the immunity issue, both parties should have an issue in having that decided as quickly as possible. the government of course because i have an interesting going to trial, quickly, and keeping the date that should have been tomorrow, and the defendant who is saying there should not even be criminal charges means every day that there are those pending criminal trials he is suffering a program of -- so both parties had an interest in deciding this quickly, so why did the governments say yes and donald trump said no to slow walk this, and the court agreed. this is really a slow process, they could've taken the case as you pointed out with jamie raskin, months ago. and so the timeline they've set where they could have decided this long ago is one that really deals with the trial date, which is now in front of them, and i hope that meal is

right that they are ultimately is a trial before the election, but they have certainly put that prospect engraved out. >> it's such an important point, and you, as you explained that. to hear they're weighing in on the trial, the timing of this trial, by doing this. i never thought of it that way. let's get into that, because fred -- who you've both done tv with, made the case in politico that trump's election trial can start before november as it should, but he says it will fall to judge chutkan to make some difficult choices with no real precedent. this goes to the power in decision-making of judges. knowing what you know about judge chutkan, how do you think she'll handle this? the timetable, the pressure from everyone, once the supreme court rules. >> just to pick up on what andrew said, jen, those kind of two issues. one is the merits of the appeal before the supreme court, does a president have absolute immunity for criminal acts. that's preposterous, there's no

way donald trump is going to win that. but the second thing as andrew says is the timing, they've taken such a long slow walk that may be the court's ex -- rule for donald trump by slow walking the case and running out the clock before the election. with that piece argues is the and what i believe is that the supreme court, and you heard sprout congressman raskin say, it should decide the court quickly after april 27th. the congressman said able 23rd, that might be a little aggressive. but certainly the first week of may. then it goes to judge chutkan, who does have the ability to schedule this trial, and judge cannon of course the other case, before the election. judge chutkan has said she would like to give donald trump 88 days for trial prep, but she said that a long time ago before trump had all this extra time by didn't of this absolute immunity appeal that he's made. that is one actor that could speed things up, and the other after is jack smith who had said the trial may take 3 to 3

months but he said that again along time ago, and he could shorten it and make it four weeks. the presentation of, it and make a move more quickly and the like. it is still possible for the trial to occur before the election, indeed i think it's an imperative in our democracy that it happens. but i very much share andrews concerns that the slow walking by the supreme court makes that more difficult. >> -- neal katyal, andrew weissmann, thank you so much. as always, i expect will be hearing a lot more from both the overcoming days. and coming up, president biden and donald trump visit the border on the same day. creating quite a split screen moment, with a completely different messages. i will just say trump's effort to re-brand his racism are something we should all be paying attention to. former congressman -- standing by with his reaction, after a quick break. reaction, after a quick break. ar is soooo soft and soo smooth. new charmin ultra soft smooth tear has wavy perforations that tear so much better

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and donald trump both visited the southern border. they did it on the same day, and it turned into one of those split screen moments. watching it unfold i was struck by the fact that these troops were not at all about their policy differences. when trump killed the voter deal, negotiated by a conservative republican with a lot of what they wanted, it was pretty clear he didn't actually care about solving the real issues at the border. for him, this issue isn't about policy, it's about fear. fear of the other, of anyone who appears different in any way from the overwhelmingly white mob got base. and this is nothing new for trump, he's been running on this message since 2015, but this time he's actually re- branding his racism. >> biden migrant crime, it's a new form of vision's violation to our country. >> we have a new category of crime in our country, it's called migrant crime. >> biden migrant crime, but it's too long. so we just call it migrant

crime. >> it's called migrant crime, and it's going to be worse than any other form of crime. >> we call it migrant crime, i came up with that name because i come up with a lot of good name stone die. >> migrant crime. i mean like he's unveiling a new product, by the way. that's how he's pitching its. and like the rest of his failed business ventures we know that donald trump likes to make claims, even when he might know that there, falls he's got a long history of that, his so- called migrant crime wave is just not happening, it's ally. and nbc news analysis just this week -- drop to receive the most migrants from the southern border, sorry trump your product is a little sketchy, but for trump this issue has never been about the facts, it's about fanning fear and unfortunately it might be working a bit, according to the latest gallup poll, americans are most likely to say that immigration is the most important problem today. even more than the economy and inflation. so what does that leave us, and what should democrats be doing about it, joining me now is

former democratic congressman from texas bitter aurora, kristen about a lot -- spoken out about allotted a lot. i want to start by just getting your thoughts on this description by trump, at the border. this is what he said, mr. trump casts himself as a battle- tested leader ready to fend off an invasion by hordes of fighting age men who look like warriors. that's quite a description. he's describing essentially where you live, where you represented, what do you make of him describing border communities that way, essentially like a war zone? >> el paso texas, where i'm from, has consistently been one of the safest cities in america, if not the safest city in america summers in america, some years, and that's not in spite of the fact that we are city of immigrants, i would argue it's because we are city of immigrants. but with the kind of rhetoric that you're repeating the donald trump is used, he's incited so much hatred and so much violence and we saw that in 2019 in el paso when someone

echoing trump's rhetoric came to our community, walked into a walmart, and slaughtered 23 people in a matter of minutes, claiming that he was repelling the invasion of hispanics who were trying to take over the state of texas. it's a reminder of the cruelty and chaos that we saw under trump, in addition to the el paso shooting we had the muslim ban, we had family separation, we had kids in cages, and he did nothing to address the real issues at the border or to make the most of the opportunities we have with immigration. as you pointed out, he's also just blown up the border security deal that very conservative republican members of the senate negotiated, with president biden accepting almost every one of the complaints of their platform. and then he's also telling us what he's going to do if he is reelected and serves a second term, he's talking about immigrants poisoning the blood of america, that's a line that could be lifted out of mein kampf, he's talking about a

nasty deportations in raids and detention centers, gestapo tactics to instill even more fear, even more hatred, and even more violence, and i think the president is doing a good job of reminding america of the danger of donald trump, but there's one more thing jen that i think the president biden can do, and i really think he should do, and that is to remind this country of who we are at our best. we are a country of immigrants. we are the most powerful, the most successful place on the planet, and it has a lot to do with those who have come here from all over the world to do better for themselves yes, but to do better for all of us. we will only remember -- remain the most successful country on the planet by ensuring that we have more immigrants coming here. i think finding safe, legal, orderly pathways for people to come here and work, some of the millions of jobs that are currently going unfilled to be able to join their families, to strengthen and renew our communities, that's a positive for america, fighting for those streamers. making sure that their citizens

an absolutely unleashing their potential, and in finding a pathway to citizenship for the millions of undocumented here who are already contributing so much to our economy, working some of the toughest jobs in america, imagine what they could do if they were legal citizens in this country, i would love to see him make that case, and i know the polls might be pointing in a different direction but leaders don't follow polls, they lead this country and help shape public opinion and the president, through the bully pulpit as an extraordinary opportunity to do that right now, and i think that's the best possible contrast to donald trump. >> possible contrast to donald trump. >> by the morality side. it sounds like you are saying we need to hear more of that as well. but i also want to ask you about -- immigration is now

the, not an every, pull every poll can be different -- but it is an issue that is top of mind for the country right now. do you think that is because of politics, because the fearmongering, because of policy issues? what indo you attribute that to >> i think it has a lot to do with fearmongering and politics. on an issue like the economy, or inflation, it is a very hard to spin what people are feeling. we know how much a gallon of milk cost, or the gallon of tank in our car. you can't circus and confuse us on that. but unless rcyou are an immigrant, we live in a city like el paso we have a daily encounter with an immigrant, immigration is something you are told how to feel about. so donald trump is telling you there alis an invasion, you're selling their or animal infestations, criminals, rapist, people coming to attack you. he is talking about this in military terms. i really think is successfully, unfortunately, shaping public opinion on this issue. that is why it is so important for president biden to stand

tall on this issue, say hold on a second, immigrants are part of what makes this country so extraordinary and so great. we are not doing them a favor by assuring there's a legal ur pathway to come here, they are going to supercharge our economy. they will be paying into social security and medicare to make sure those programs are solvent into the next century, and they will also renew the greatness of this country. is the perfect contrast for the president to strike. i feel that if he does not do that, and his only talking about security, we're shutting the border down, if voters are choosing between someone who is absolutely made his name on his cruelty, and security, bona fide -- in terms of what he, e, says he will do -- failed to do that in donald trump, and someone who is doing a lighter version of that in president biden, i don't think we are bi going to win that, one but if president biden can -- security is dependent on legal pathways to come here, folks are going to try to come to america, let's make sure they do it the right way. as president, i will lead on that, now and in my second

administration i will for the first time since ronald reagan make comprehensive immigration reform my number one priority and finally get this done for america. >> lots of security is important, morality is, important humanity is important. all of it is wrapped up. i know he feels that way. really important guidance from you on all of that. thank you so much better or work for joining us on this afternoon. coming up, as mitch mcconnell announces ooplans to step aside as the republican leader, we will take a look at his legacy and the mega monster he helped create. we have been working on this on a, week and it is coming up next. .

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you just have to get in the seat. as you all, know this, week mitch mcconnell announced that he would step down from leadership later this year, ending his tenure as the longest serving senate leader in history, which makes now the perfect moment to take a bit of a deep dive into this legacy. and specifically, his unwavering devotion to winning and winning at any cost. now back in the 1970s, he was publicly supported of campaign financial firm, i know denouncing the cancer of the corrupting influence of money in politics. only to do a complete one 80 in the u.s. senate, when he became instrumental in opening up our politics to the flood of special interest dark money. once upon a time, mcconnell was also a defender of the voting rights act. the 2006 floor speech he urged senators to remove what he called landmark legislation.

>> members of congress realize that this is a piece of legislation that has worked, and one of my favorite sayings that -- from time to time if it ain't broke don't fix it. this landmark piece of legislation will make a difference not only in the south, but for all of america. >> and yet, mcconnell has blocked all attempts to rebuild the law after conservatives on the supreme court of course gutted portions in 2013. that includes the john lewis voting rights act, a bill that reestablishes some of the goals that were in place before the courts 2013 decision. something mcconnell was once for, but no cause unnecessary. now if you understand mcconnell cynical drive to win above all else, this all adds up. u.s. ford campaign finances -- before he realized opposing it would mean raising far more unrestricted money, and that could politically be helpful to them. he was for voting rights until he realized that suppressing the vote might help republicans win elections. there is no better example of his relentless pursuit of power

than what happens in 2016 when for 11 months, he stonewalled the appointment of a new supreme court justice under barack obama. he cited brand-new fabricated by the way, reasoning, saying the american people should have a voice in this election of the next supreme court justice. sounds good, but that did not last long. asked for just a couple years to 2020 when he flipped on his own mcconnell role to -- amy coney barrett into the court just weeks before the election. because, it has never been about sticking with principles for him. it has been about power. despite donald trump's obvious an aptitude and moral deficiencies, mcconnell saw him as a means to an end. a republican president who could fill federal courts with conservatives, where the crown jewel of a supermajority on -- he got that. here is the thing. mcconnell racked up all of those winds, while supporting and building up a man that he despises and knows is

destructive, because he always saw trump as a means to an end. after the january 6th attack on the capitol, mcconnell reportedly said he felt exhilarated by the fact that trump had totally discredited himself. but despite publicly saying trump more responsibility for the attack, mcconnell voted to acquit him. he calculated that trump and the maga movement were done. his party would move past them. it was obviously very very wrong. donald trump will likely be the presidential nominee again, and to the republican apparatus is unquestionably fully backing him. the conservative supreme court that mcconnell helped engineer even gave trump a big gift this week by pushing back the counter on this federal election trial. so, mitch mcconnell was arguably the most powerful -- republican in the republican party, leaving his post as republican senate leader -- that is apparent from the lack of action on new aid despite his insistent and his inability to keep this conference together to pass a bipartisan

border bill which tank at the behest of donald trump. yet, despite all that, mcconnell thinks about trump, which we know. he's already said if he is the republican nominee, we will support him. that is a real legacy of mitch mcconnell. a cynic focused on power, only to be swallowed by the monster that he unable to obtain it. we have one more thing to tell you about before we go today, a little hint, it involves the newest member of congress. we are back after a quick break. quick break. turning your back on the moments that matter. there's a better option than handwashing. switch to your dishwasher and cascade platinum plus. it uses the power of dawn to thoroughly clean your dishes removing 99% of grease and food residue. so all you have to do is... scrape, load, and you're done! (♪♪) cascade platinum plus. dare to dish differently. >> woman: why did we choose safelite? >> vo: driving around is how we get our baby to sleep, cascade platinum plus. so when our windshield cracked, we trusted the experts.

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