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good evening, and welcome to ayman. tonight, -- the supreme court says it will drop a decision in the morning speculated to be colorado's 14th amendment case. as the court agrees to hear trump some unity claim, and polls just closed in the d.c. republican primary. did we mention it is almost super tuesday? plus, the vice president calls for an immediate six-week cease- fire as u.s. diplomatic failure arrived by sky in gaza. and, facing the facts. at what point will james comer and house republicans finally give up their big dreams of impeaching joe biden? i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. all right. so, as mentioned, we -- at any moment. and we will, of course, let you know when that happens, and what it actually means for the

race. but we must begin tonight. with the high drama surrounding the nation's highest court. today, and an extremely unusual announcement, the supreme court stated that it will issue at least one decision on monday. what we do not know which case it will be, it is strongly believed that this ruling will be on former president donald trump's eligibility to appear on colorado's primary ballot. the decision will almost certainly affect ongoing legal disputes and more than 30 states, where trump's eligibility to run has been challenged. in during oral arguments in early february, a majority of the justices expressed deep skepticism of colorado's 14th amendment case, which likely means a massive win for the former president. but they're trump -- well beyond the matter of ballot eligibility. on wednesday, scotus dropped a bombshell saying it will take up a question of whether or not donald trump has immunity from prosecution in jack smith's january 6th election

interference case. and regardless of the fact that trump will almost certainly lose the case, this is nonetheless a boon to the former president. the court as effectively sanctioned trump's strategy of delay, delay, delay. trump's legal team reportedly shot popped champagne when they heard the news, because not only will jack smith's case now been holed through april 22nd, when the court will hear the oral arguments. but he won't be able to move forward into the court actually hands down to the decision, which in fact, may come as latest the end of its term in june or july. that means a possible trial will be pushed even further, back until the fall. perhaps even after election day. and it is increasingly clear that's exactly what the court and donald trump want. -- rates for the guardian the delay is up the courts on making. jack smith's first went to the supreme court in december and asked the justices to quickly take up the issue so that the trial would not be delayed.

you know what the court did. they declined to do so. then, after the u.s. court of appeals for the d.c. circuit ruled trump was not immune in february, smith again urge the court to -- february 14th. you know what the court did? and instead, waited two weeks to announce it would take the case. what's clear now is only the american people can save american democracy. not joe biden, not the democratic party, and while the supreme court could, that obviously does not want to do so. president obama's attorney general, or i should say president biden's attorney general, eric holder, excuse me, -- summed up the current state of affairs quite well. there is no recovery coming, numerical solution, no saviors. in the end, we, the american people, not any of our institutions, have to save our democracy by voting in defense of that democracy this fall. we are the cavalry.

the responsibility is hours. joining me now, charles coleman -- former brooklyn prosecutor. also joining me is christina greer, a political scientist and a moynihan public scholars fellow at ccny. it is great to have both of you with us. charles, let's start with the supreme court decision that is expected to come down tomorrow. what do you think it is going to be? or what do you think it portends for the rest of the challenges to try to keep donald trump off the ballot? and how significant of a decision is it? >> well i'll go in reverse, i do think, ayman, that it is going to be a and incredibly significant decision, because it is going to put to bed whatever the questions are around the 14th amendment challenges that donald trump is facing, in myriad jurisdictions. i fully anticipate, quite frankly, that the supreme court is going to allow him to remain on the ballot. what i'm most curious about is its reasoning, i am going to -- assuming that this is the one that we are expecting tomorrow. and for what their rationale is, and why they are losing in

the way that they. are there are a number of different grounds of which they could make the decision, and i'm curious as to how they will. because that could potentially result in challenges down the line, depending on how this opinion is crafted. >> so it still matters, not just the decision, but how the decision is presented, as to whether or not there is going to be opportunities for other cases to emerge as a result of it? >> absolutely, that could be a very big thing. i think that depending on how they craft the decision, and where they find fault, you will likely see different courts, lower courts, try to maneuver around whatever cases are brought. because this is not going to be the end of the issue. depending on how the supreme court rules. but it is very clear, and one of the things that i think people need to understand, sam levine talked about it in his piece, this is something that is of the courts's own doing. they have the power to delay this, they have the power to move forward. and its timing, particularly -- before super tuesday, it indicates that they understand the significance of the timing, and where this falls in the election cycle. that point cannot be overstated. because, the supreme court, if you look at some of their decisions of late, they have

been on a power grab. and it's clear that they are not stopping, with respect to their ability to influence the outcome of this election. >> christina, to charles's point, this is a supreme court that has been on a power grab, to say the least. our colleague and friend of the show -- wrote for the nation, saying that we need to stop treating this supreme court as a legal institution, and start treating it and covering it as the political institution that it is. and certainly one that it has become, in the last couple of years. your thoughts on that assessment? >> yeah, -- has been spot on from day one. you know, unfortunately, the attention of the framers was such that we had direct democracy when it came to congress, in direct democracy when it came to selecting our president, vis-@-vis the electoral college. and then, we would have this hodgepodge -- of people who weren't elected, but because we had senators who nominated them, and a president that confirmed, or the president that sort of -- in the senate to confirm them, not the entire

congress, just the senate. there was this indirect way that we can have these quasi- nonpartisan representatives, that were not elected specifically and explicitly. and that was the intent. and we are so far away from that, that if you all remember in 2016, donald trump campaigned pretty explicitly about changing the, court and getting supreme court justices for far-right christian fundamentalists. many democrats didn't take that as seriously as we have in the past. the courts have never been democratic strongholds in recent history. and so, we see, now we have a solid 6-3 court. to charles's point, i am really curious to see the opinion. you know, there is the vote, and there is the opinion. and i wonder if it will be something like we saw in 2000, with bush v. gore, where they essentially sided with, bush and they say this isn't a precedent, don't ever do it again. it's a very clear that these justices who feel as though they worked for donald trump, most likely will give him the results that he wants. but will it continue into the future for other instances that

are similar? and what does that really bode for american democracy, if donald trump does get a second term, he has been very clear but what he wants to do with said second term. >> but do you think, charles, just following up on that in the reading of these developments, that the supreme court is intentionally trying to delay the trial in the start of that trial, for donald trump. because they know maybe in the end, they will not grant him the immunity that he seeks. but in some ways, they are kind of giving him what he wants, which is enough time to delay this, trial perhaps with the election being the ultimate getaway card? >> i am loathe to disagree with christina, because that's who i'm going to hear from her father -- but, in that vein, i do think that they are very much so, playing to the audience of donald trump. in the sense that they can get away with doing this under the guise of their level of autonomy, or the perception of autonomy that they enjoy as the court. . i think that they understand that whatever the ruling is that they come out with

regarding immunity, as well as the 14th amendment, it will have significant implications on this election. and they know that, and i think to the point of who votes for, and who votes against it, there is also a sense of understanding that responsibility, and reveling in it. i think that there is a faction on the supreme court that takes a great deal of pride in knowing that we are going to be able to influence this. and yes, we are going to push it back beyond the election. now that the guys, the pretext, if you will, is that we are doing this because we don't want to influence the election. but the reality is, the opposite is what's true. they are doing it because they do want to influence the election, and they understand that by doing it, they are going to actually influence the election, in favor of donald trump. >> christina, this week, my colleague rachel maddow said that the supreme court is effectively setting up a trap for america. she suspects they will not grant trump presidential immunity, but they will wait to

do so, thereby delaying the other trials. and if trump then wins in november, he is going to fight tooth and nail to never leave office, because he knows if he does, he will be prosecuted. >> yes, and we are not being histrionic when we lay out that scenario. i mean, donald from has been a master of delay, delay, delay. even -- knows that that's how he has circumvented the law several times, is by pushing things down the road, and oftentimes the people that are suing him either run out of money, or run out of energy. this is very clear, he has said he wants to be a dictator just for a day. i've never heard of a dictator who wanted to be a dictator just for a day. he said he's going to go after his political opponents, he said he is going to change, fundamentally, the way institutions have operated. he's going to get rid of particular institutions, and he is going to let these far- right, what he said, republican party is the party of maga. it's very clear and explicit, i do not understand what people are -- and fully hear him. i don't understand why people aren't going to their family members, who just are indifferent, or tend to like

donald trump. and really explain to them, just how far off track this man wants to get this country. this is not a perfect country, we are well aware of it. joe biden is not a perfect president, i defy someone to find a perfect present that's ever existed in this nation. however, donald from has been very clear that he is definitely afraid of what will happen if he ever leaves office. and so, he is going to try to get into office, and never -- he has been very clear if that, i don't understand how there's any confusion as to what his future plans are, well beyond 2028. >> all right charles and christina, please stick around, i got a lot more to discuss. because while trump is thrilled that -- there is another case before the justices that trump should be sweating over. that's next. over. that's next. get help reaching your goals with j.p. morgan wealth plan, a digital money coach in the chase mobile® app.

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$547 million is roughly how much money donald trump owes in new york. it is a lot of money, but not necessarily for a man who continuously boasts about his billionaire status, right? well apparently, he is in fact feeling the squeeze. in an effort to pause the civil fraud trial judgment on wednesday, -- to allow him to post only 100 million dollar bond, because they said securing one for the full 450 million dollar amount was impossible. the appellate court judge turned him down. this comes after trump's team filed a separate motion, urging a judge to pause the 83.3 million dollar payment he owes to e. jean carroll for a defamation. that request was also denied, and he now has less than a week

to pay it. investigative reporter david cay johnston sheds some light on trump's efforts to pause these legally binding payments. writing in an op-ed for msnbc, trump's pleading is the latest indication that his wealth is not nearly as vast as he claims. charles coleman, christina greer are both back with me again. christina, your reaction to this 1, 2 punch trump took this week, financially speaking. because, the question is, does this push to delay these payments, prove david cay johnston's point that trump's wealth may not be what he actually says it is? >> right, well, we all know as new yorkers, that the wealth was never what he said it was. several bankruptcies, he has consistently gotten loans from banks, but it was largely because he owed them so much they had no option but to sort of go along with his various schemes. we know that his name on several buildings, which is just a leasing agreement. he doesn't own the building, he just leased his name. so it's been a shell game, and

three card monty deal that's gone amok. i am curious to see with the new york attorney general tish james will do. she has been very clear that if donald trump tries to hide behind the i'll pay when i get to it, or i was very convinced that he would never pay up, she was very clear that they would start seizing assets. i think it will be a really interesting ones show and tell time to see what assets donald trump actually has. we know that his children enriched themselves quite a bit during his administration. we know that he had his hotel in washington, d.c., during his administration, made a lot of money there. but is it enough to cover $450 million in damages, when he also has several lawyers suing him constantly, because he fails to pay? that's always been his m. o.. i don't think that he is ready to change it up. but it is a little different when the new york attorney general is saying if you don't start paying this money, we will actually start going through your receipts, explicitly, and actually we are not like banks that let you off the hook consistently, we will actually start taking things for the state of new york. >> so charles, trump is expected to request a delay

again next month for the civil case with a panel of the five appellant court judges. if he gets rejected again, what are his options? >> he is going to have to start to figure out which of his toys he's going to part with first. at the end of the day, he is not going to be able to avoid not liquidating some of his properties, as a way to avoid this actual judgment that has been entered, both of them actually. and i think that the larger interesting thing about this, ayman, is this notion of accountability. we have looked been look at donald trump, and this notion of accountability for a long time, particularly as it pertains to his criminal cases. but when you are talking about his civil judgments, you are talking at a man whose reputation is about his net worth. and so, this is a level of accountability that we have not expected to see, but that has been first, and maybe the most long-standing notion of accountability that the public perceives from the different things that he has done. so while it may seem anti climatic, rest assured that this is something he is not going to be able to do anything about. let's say for example, november

comes, he ends up being the president again. he can replace the a.g., get these cases dismissed. let's say he saw figures out a way, i don't know how, to get out of what he is dealing with fulton county and fani willis. let's say he gets done with that. he still cannot do anything about these judges that have been entered, number one, because they aren't at the state court level, where he has no jurisdiction, even if he is the president. and number two, because these are already entered judgments, and he won't be able to touch them. so he is going to have to find a way to get himself out of the situatio and getting into the white house, that's not going to do it. >> are they anything more than a nuisance for a guy who loves money? meaning like i understand all the other ones actually carry prison time. but this one is just, it hits him in the pockets, right? it's gonna force him into liquidity, but not any kind of serious -- >> normally, i might say yes. but in this situation, i disagree with you because of the political implications that are involved. you are talking about someone whose image, their political

brand, is around them being this business mogul. and now, at least for the next three years in the state of new york, he won't be able to do business at all. you're also talking about somebody who has been very evasive about his actual net worth. and now, he is in a space where he is saying effectively, i can't pay it, i ain't got it. i might have five on it, but i don't have all of it. and that is something that is a reputational hit at a time when he is campaigning and attempting to project this strongman image to the public. so i think that there is a level of damage that exceeds just the notion of it being a nuisance, for a guy who has to pay out money. because we are not talk about the typical business person here, we are talking to a guy who has ran for president, or has run for president, and part of running for president requires people believing and buying into this idea that he has this alter successful businessman. >> christina, we talked in the last block about from has been able to evade accountability on the criminal side of things. so far at least, with the help of the supreme court.

but these payments are, in fact, a real punishment, as charles just laid out. is it a consolation prize for those who want to see him held accountable in a real way? >> well, i know a lot of people want to see donald trump held accountable. but don't forget, this is a man who has had several bankruptcies over his career. he's been in our political imagination for about four decades. i agree with charles's very detailed layout. but there's one key variable that we are forgetting when we are dealing with donald trump when it comes to these civil cases where he has to pay out and have show and tell. he has no shame. so if we were dealing with someone who actually had shame, he might feel embarrassed, he might say this is my image and have to go in front of people and say i'm a little bit damaged. but this is someone who doesn't care. i mean, he will essentially create a narrative. he has consistently been the victim and the hero of his own story. so what he will do is go to his supporters, we know they are unmoved, they are unbothered. they are only activated by things that donald trump says and does. so he will say, i don't have to show it, i am circumventing the system. he has said that he has broken the law, he has told him that,

they cheered. so when we are dealing with someone who doesn't have any shame, i don't think that there is an abyss that he won't go into. i don't think that he will go with his tail between his legs and say i owe all this money, and i just don't have it. he will create a new narrative and his supporters will stand right by him, as we have seen time and time again. and sadly, so will republican elected. >> all right christina, charles coleman, thank you to the both of you, greatly appreciated, as always. next up, we're gonna talk a democratic congressman raja crist moorthy. he was in the room for hunter biden's private testimony, as house republicans fail over and over again to make a case that is simply not there. case that is simply not there.

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even the maga-verse is admitting hunter came out looking good in the hearing. >> when the transcript comes out, it is going to read well formed, because they did a great job prepping for a repeat. >> it was another embarrassing defeat for the house oversight committee chair james comer, who rose to prominence in the party as someone who insisted he was going to stick it to the president one way or another. in fact, he made over 200 appearances on fox last year and raised over $1 million on the premise he had the goods on biden. but a year later, comer has nothing to show for, no silver bullet, no star witnesses, nothing. and you remember the gop's witness, former fbi informant alexander smirnoff, he is currently in jail for falsely claiming biden and his son hunter took brides. it's the very same lie that republicans builder tire cason. democratic congressman raja crist moorthy of illinois sits in the house oversight committee, he joins me now. he has had to injure a lot of

this from just being on that committee. i hope you get hazard pay, congressman. i don't know if you get hazard pay in congress, by certainly hope you get hazard pay from having to put up with us over the last two years or so. how badly this backfire on republicans there? >> it didn't go well. and actually, during the deposition, it was clear that hunter biden was prepared, he came off as credible. i think probably his strongest moments were when he quite frankly acknowledged his own flaws as an individual and we all know about those, when he was very strong in explaining himself. and i thought there was not one shred of evidence that was revealed implicating his father. and that's really what this was all about. it was going after president biden. and yet once again, they failed. and as you mentioned, the quote unquote star witness, the key republican source behind an affidavit claiming that president biden had received

bribes was himself perjuring himself on an affidavit and he was indicted criminally by the fbi for lying to them. >> interestingly enough, comer went on fox after the hearing, saying it was very damaging for hunter biden. no surprise that he was going to say that. but interestingly, and this according to your colleague congressman eric swalwell, comer actually left early, didn't even ask any questions. how would he know it was damaging if he wasn't even there for most of it? >> maybe he read the transcript after the fact, i don't know. i'm not really sure how he could ascertain that. but i don't blame him for leaving. it was boring, it didn't reveal anything, and it was particularly rich when matt gaetz starts questioning hunter biden about his illegal drug use. it's just a waste of time. and as you know, this is in

stark contrast to the work that the gop should be doing, which is passing a budget to fund the government. we are again facing a looming shutdown on friday of next week. and so, instead of doing the hard work of funding the government or funding aid to ukraine and other big priorities, they are wasting time on this impeachment. >> what is the point of continuing this? what do they have to gain? he wants to keep holding public hearings, despite the fact that this case is completely melted away. >> i don't know. i think that every time they do any kind of hearing or any kind of event, it seems to backfire, it seems to just, as tommy lauren, the fox news contributor said the other day, they keep falling flat. and, they need to stop. >> the other elephant in the room, sir, is certainly with the gop's impeachment, pushes their shrinking majority, now

that democratic congressman tom suozzi has been sworn in to replace george santos. they can only afford to lose two votes, if they bring this case to the house floor. considering they barely were able to impeach homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, do you see them being able to pull this off against joe biden? >> i don't think so. and i know a bunch of my colleagues on the other side, privately tell me that this is a big waste of time. obviously, ken buck and others have publicly said this is a big waste of time. and again, at the last, i guess their only impeachment hearing that they've had, back in september, their expert witness actually said there is no evidence of impeachable conduct. and so, when you have that type of evidence, or lack of evidence i should say, it just, it causes more and more

republicans to want this whole thing to go away. >> congressman, switching gears real quickly. earlier, we saw vice president kamala harris say there is an offer for a six-week cease-fire in gaza, on the table. some of the sharpest comments get from a senior administration official about the humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in gaza. your reaction to the comments from the vice president? >> i think the party is going to have to seize on that offer, and except. we've got to have that pause in hostilities right now. the hostages have to be released, massive humanitarian aid needs to be flowing into gaza. i don't care what you call it, whether it's a cease-fire, a truce, a halt in hostilities. we have to have that because civilians are suffering and people are dying. i'm glad that the biden administration is now airdropping food aid, but that's not going to be enough. you need to have aid flowing through trucks, which can take a lot more in then airdrops.

finally, i would just say, i've been helping to lead, along with a couple of others, the notion that the two state solution must be simultaneously negotiated, even at the same time that we are talking about this pause in hostilities, or this end to hostilities, wide scale hostilities. because if there is no light at the end of the tunnel, we are just going to keep going through this endless cycle of violence. and we can't afford that anymore. >> let me ask you about that, since you brought it up. how does that work when you have a prime minister of israel who is boasting and saying there will be no palestinian state so long as he remains in office? he boasts about it, and members of his own cabinet right now, some of the more extreme ones, deny the existence of a palestinian state and certainly don't want to see the creation of a palestinian state. on one hand, you have that. and the other, and you have an american administration that is not willing to use any of its leverage, not only to deal with the crises on the ground with trying to get more aid into

gaza, but actually to try to get the israeli government to re-commit to previous agreements, and to a two-state solution. >> look, i am very, to say i am deeply distressed about bibi netanyahu's leadership is probably an understatement. but for that matter, hamas is not willing to acknowledge a two-state solution. i think at the end of the day, whether it's the egyptians, the saudis, of course us as americans, the qataris and others, we are going to have to bring people to the table and say look, this is what you get in return for a two state solution. and what the israelis want, deeply, deeply, is a regional peace. they want the saudis to ultimately recognize them and to have a longer term agreement. but i don't think the saudis, or anyone, is going to allow that to happen, unless there is a two state solution. and certainly, that is our

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just hours ago, vice president kamala harris called for a, quote, immediate cease- fire in gaza, and delivered perhaps the administrations sharpest condemnation of israel's bombardment yet. the vice president's comments just a day after the united states completed its first airdrop of humanitarian aid into gaza, with three military c-130 planes dropping 38,000 meals. the aid falls far short of meeting the population's

desperate need for food and supplies, with many of gaza's 2 million residents currently facing starvation as israel's five month bombardment shows no signs of letting up. saturday's drop was quickly criticized by eight experts, including amnesty international 's senior crisis response advisor --, who called the u.s.'s humanitarian effort, quote, absolutely incomprehensible and completely insufficient. as rivera explained to nbc news, airdrops are usually only seen as a last resort in situations where it is impossible to deliver aid by other needs. the drops come along with the risk of chaos on the ground, with starving civilians forced to fight one another for a limited amount of supplies. it's also impossible to ensure that aid doesn't end up in the hands of bad actors like hamas. and large military cargo planes, like the ones used on saturday, can only carry a fraction of the supplies that trucks can haul.

but what happened yesterday isn't just about an insufficient amount of aid. instead, it exposes the complete deficiency of american power and conviction in the region. let's go back to the vice president's comments from earlier today. >> the united states will continue these air drops. and we will work on a new route by sea to deliver aid. and the israeli government must do more to significantly increase the flow of aid. [applause] no excuses. >> no excuses. those are strong words from the vice president, no doubt. words that, so far though, have failed to actually matchup with the administration's actions. for a country that touts itself as a global superpower, the u.s. has hardly asserted that influence to help the people of gaza. in fact, this entire situation has been done almost exclusively on israel's terms.

see, gaza shares borders with egypt and israel. they are two of the largest recipients of u.s. foreign aid and yet somehow the u.s. is incapable of compelling both of these countries to open their land borders so that aid can get into gaza. again, as amnesty international's rivera explains, quote, the only reason why humanitarian aid is not getting in through the normal means is because the israeli authorities are saying no. and if you think saturday's airdrop was somehow a show of force by the u.s., an attempt to circumvent the israeli government's continued refusals to allow sufficient and meaningful aid into gaza, think again. now while we don't know yet if the u.s. received explicit israeli agreement in advance of the airdrops, it is hard to imagine that the u.s. flew air force planes into a war zone without the israeli's permission. in fact, according to the washington post, which had reporters on board, jordanian planes delivering aid earlier

this week, the israeli government had to grant permission for that assistance to be flown in. so, it is really clear who is running the show here. this week, amnesty international called out israeli authorities over their failure ensuring enough aid reaching the people of gaza. since october 7th, israel's government has been clear that it would impose a complete siege on gaza. and over the last few weeks, the number of aid trucks entering gaza has decreased by about a third. from an average of 146 a day to an average of 105 per day. aid workers on the ground highlighted israel's failure to take obvious steps, such as opening all available access points and crossings to enable them to transfer aid more rapidly and on a larger scale. and for its part, though the israeli government says it is allowing in aid without restrictions. but america should take these reports very seriously because u.s. law actually prohibits security assistance to

governments that obstruct u.s. humanitarian aid from being delivered. so instead of leveraging its immense power or diplomacy, for example announcing it is suspending military aid until israel complies with the u.s. laws, israel as twist itself into a knot of hypocrisy. on one hand, we are paying for the bombs that are causing this humanitarian crisis. but on the other hand we are now paying to feed the people being starved as a result of those very same bombs. as the saying goes, an image tells 1000 words, so i'm just going to leave you with this political cartoon, showing bombs and bread falling on the people of gaza.

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all right. before the break, i explained how the united states aired airdrops this week in gaza are reflection of a much larger foreign policy failure. with me now -- a policy analyst and former middle east advisor at the u. s. department of defense during the obama administration. great to have you with us. before we get to the humanitarian crisis unfolding in gaza, and wanted to get your reaction to that breaking news from earlier today. the vice president calling for an immediate cease-fire. how significant is that? >> thank you so much for having me, ayman. the speech was significant for a few reasons and also fell short for a big reason. first of all, as you mentioned, this was some of the strongest language that we have seen coming out of a senior biden administration official. she talked about the need for an immediate cease-fire, not a temporary truce, even though effectively that's what it would be. but the language itself was the strongest we've seen so far.

the second reason why it was so important was because of the empathy that she spoke about the palestinians and the people in gaza, which we haven't really seen much of coming out of the administration. on secretary blinken's last trip, we saw him speaking about the number of children killed. but this is really the first time that somebody at a very high-level in the administration has spoken from minutes about people scrounging for food, having to eat animal feed, and evne called the conditions inhumane. that was really significant as well, in terms of the shift in tone. and the third part why it was so significant was because she actually refuted several statements from the israelis earlier today and yesterday that said they were doing everything they could to get assistance in, that they were not doing anything to hamper assistance going in, and that they weren't responsible for anything that happened around the so-called flour massacre, which is what it's being called

right now. so she directly refuted that making sure these rallies knew the administration expects them to do more, to stop obstructing aid unnecessarily, and to do more to allow humanitarian assistance in. so those are three significant components. of course, the reason it fell short is something that you mentioned, which is and now what? so now that you've said all of this, what are you actually want to do about it to make sure that it happens? >> so let me ask you more broadly speaking about the decision to airdrop supplies to gaza this week, because i mentioned aid organizations say it falls far short of meeting the needs of the population of gaza. but you think, as i laid out earlier, it reflects a failure in u.s. policy? i mean we are talking about two countries, egypt and israel, two of the largest recipients of u.s. aid. and neither one of them is willing to open the border in a meaningful way to allow for aid to get in. they may use whatever reasons they're going to use, but

ultimately the u.s. is not using any of the leverage or power it has over these countries or with these countries to actually get aid in in the way that it should. >> absolutely. i mean, the way that the u.s. went about these airdrops was a huge mistake, because it basically admitting that they're either unwilling or unable to use the levers that they have vis-@-vis israel, the egyptians, to make sure that more assistance is coming in at a rate that is actually feeding people in gaza. if you look at the numbers, the sheer numbers, you have 2.2 million palestinians now who are on the verge of a famine. if you are just give them two meals a day, not even three, then we're talking about over 4 million meals a day that need to be entering through whatever crossings, whether through the egyptians or the israelis, into gaza. 4 million meals a day. this u.s. air drop provided

38,000 meals. so not only is it inadequate, but also coming from the u.s., which is the only country that can actually compel the israelis to open up more crossings and to let more humanitarian aid in wasn't embarrassment, frankly. it's one thing for the jordanians to provide air drops. the jordanians have no real power to get the israelis to change their tactics and their strategy in gaza. so actually providing food through airdrops was a positive thing coming out of the jordanians. it was what they could do. but coming from the americans, it was a real sign of, like i said, either an unwillingness or a lack of capability to get the israelis to change the way that they are operating in gaza, in the middle, obviously, of a massive humanitarian crisis, a famine that has led to now between ten and 15 children being killed of malnutrition and dehydration, which is a horrific figure by any standards

. >> also in her remarks today, the vice president urged the israeli government to do more to increase the flow of aid, including opening up land and sea routes. as a global superpower and as somebody who worked at the department of defense, what do you think the u.s. can do to ensure that happens? i mean, we talk about these things in kind of broad terms, using military aid as leverage, or financial aid as leverage. but how do you implement that day today? >> obviously, there are two big things -- to big pieces of leverage that the u.s. has over israel. one is the military assistance and one's diplomatic cover on the world stage. so the u.s. will often shield israel diplomatically, for example, at the u.n. security council, using its veto as a permit member. and then when it comes to aid, there are a variety of ways that the u.s. can express its displeasure with israel by

either delaying shipments of aid, which we have done before, without even having to say that you're doing it. this is a bureaucracy. there are 1 million ways that it can be delayed getting to a country without actually having to state it. you can also actually stated and say we are putting our foot, down you are not getting this assistance. we are pausing this assistance. this is what we did with a number of arab countries, for example, during the arab spring. so why is it different now? the fact is that not only has the biden administration not done that, it has actually expedited and bypassed congress twice to send assistance to israel as it was conducting these operations in gaza. so the one thing i want to say about that, ayman, that i think also just from my experience, i was the lead of the syria team during the obama redline fiasco, you know, when he set this red line and then assad used chemical weapons and we eventually did not end up doing

much about it. and i remember the conversations, both within the pentagon at the time and within the international community and with our allies, and adversaries, of course. not only was our credibility damaged by that, but also it took a long time for our allies to forget that we just left them hanging. some of whom were ready that morning to start going in and conducting operations against the assad regime. but also our adversaries, if you look at russia, if you look at the iranian regime, if you look at hezbollah, a mass, the houthis, you name it, these iranian-backed militias in iraq and syria, they were watching us then and there watching us now. they are watching what the u.s. is doing, how it's conducting itself, the amount of leverage that it appears to either have or be willing to use with the israelis, and they're taking note. and it is affecting their actions as we speak. the houthis being a clear

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