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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. it is super tuesday but there's big, breaking news from a state that is not voting today. arizona where former democratic senator turned independent, kirsten sinema, has just announced she's not running for re-election this year. >> compromise is a dirty word. we've arrived at that cross road and we chose anger and division. i believe in my approach but it's not what america wants
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right now. i love arizona and i am so proud of what we've delivered. because i choose civility, understanding, listening, working together to get stuff done, i will leave the senate at this end of this year. >> joining us now is msnbc political contributor, jake sherman. how much does this change the dynamics of the senate going forward? >> drastically. number one, there's a lot to unpack. sinema says she chooses compromise. she was part of a lot of compromises in the last three or four years. a variety of compromises including gun legislation. she was part of every major compromise on capitol hill. number two, this becomes a two-way race between lake and gallego. a head to head race between a republican and democratic where no independent is going to be
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siphoning off votes. number three, a real pick up opportunity for either party i guess. sinema was an independent, but republicans feel as though lake now has a real chance. democrats feel like gallego has it in the bag. so choose your adventure. to be honest with you, sinema, over the last couple of years, sided along with joe manchin, with republicans, to save the filibuster. that's a simple fact. if there was another democrat in that seat and in west virginia or another couple of democrats in the senate, it might not might not be drastically changed. so the governing dynamics, the campaign and political dynamics have changed drastically. >> can we talk about the filibuster for another moment. if sinema's not in the senate. say lake is the senator. how good are the chances that the republicans overturn the
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filibuster now that mcconnell is gone? he had some fealty to it. if it's a democrat-run senate, the way the elections look across the map. if gallego wins does it stand to reason that democrats are going to overturn it? >> i think the basic fact is that almost no matter what, there's a decent chance the legislative filibuster will no longer be in place. if democrats win a couple of seats, have more than a 51-seat majority, have a couple of seats cushion, they could easily overturn the filibuster. i think that's a fair thing to surmise after last couple of years in which we saw big roadblocks put up. and there's a strain of thought in the senate republican conference that the first thing senate republicans will do in the post mitch mcconnell era is get rid of the filibuster. change it drastically so they can pass their agenda. i want to make this clear.
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this cuts both ways. this will be extraordinarily difficult for democrats to watch republicans get rid of the filibuster and pass drastic limits on abortion. things like that. with a 51-seat majority. i mean, that's going to be the other side of the coin. >> and just to be clear, the filibuster is a 60-vote majority to pass legislation. this would knock it down to a simple majority 51 votes. 50 plus is vice president if you have to presidency. lake is running for senate in arizona now against solely gallego. here's what she says about this. as a journalist, i covered sinema for years. we may not agree on everything, but i know she shares my love of arizona. she had the courage to stand tall despite the overwhelming pressure from the radicals she says in her party like gallego. what sort of senator would lake be if she won arizona?
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>> i think she'd align herself with the hard line. we've been reporting a lot in the last couple of days since mcconnell announced he would no longer be the leader come november, about the different pockets in the conference. still, i would say the majority of senate republicans are still allies of mcconnell, old school republicans, traditional republicans, but that caucus, that little pocket of hard line senate republicans is absolutely growing. and to be honest with you, it makes sense and it's smart that kari lake is trying to play for these sinema voters who are i guess in her mind, independents and would not vote for a progressive like gallego. but the real question here and i was just having a conversation with somebody about this the other day. is the old school mccain
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republicans in arizona, do they vote for kari lake? probably not voting for gallego. do they stay home? >> candidate quality was a big factor in 2022. also in 2020. mitch mcconnell was adamant that the republicans needed to choose better candidates. i know kari lake is one thing but the slate of candidates running for senate right now, a lot of primaries today. how does it look in terms of candidate quality as defined by mcconnell? >> kari lake, by the way, has been endorsed by the nrsc. she only narrowly lost a gubernatorial race. so she's not although she has made a boat load of controversial statements in her past, she was not a loser by that much last time. that's number one. tomorrow night in washington,
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the entire basically the whole senate republican leadership infrastructure i think mitch mcconnell's not involved, are doing a fund-raiser in d.c. for kari lake. she is getting the blessing of the senate republican infrastructure and to be honest with you, the nrsc has changed since rick scott left. they are endorsing way more candidates. getting involved in primaries. getting behind the candidates they want. they have a messy primary in ohio. they have resolved their problems in pennsylvania. it's really a mixed bag. to be honest with you, it's not, while d.c. republicans want to get involved, want to choose their candidates, want to make sure they have the best candidate in there, it doesn't always look good when the establishment is backing you. but i think they've got a much more forceful job this time around. >> let's bring in our man who knows arizona. vaughn hillyard. talk to me about the contours of the race in arizona with sinema out. >> reporter: right. there is a lot of questions on
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whether she was going to run for the obvious reason, that she was expected to pull the vote from gallego. in a new poll that came out two weeks ago, he had a three-point advantage over lake when it was a three-way race. but in a two-way race, his advantage widened out to ten percentage points. the unfavorability numbers are what so stark. it was 26%. lake, 49% of arizona voters according to that poll from mike nobles believe that view her in an unfavorable light here. for senator sinema, the question was would there be an opening for her. it was going to require her to get 43,000 signatures of arizona independents by april 1st and she hadn't even declared her candidacy. at the same time, i just talked to somebody here who was telling me about a fund-raiser sinema
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was holding for her campaign this friday night in phoenix in which she was collecting checks, so seemingly leaving the door open. this was someone who entered congress ten years ago and wanted to have the chance to try to bridge the gap between republicans and democrats. she told me as such the week before she was moving into her u.s. house office and largely along with her and joe manchin, she was at the forefront of working with republicans. so outside of the campaign and whether republicans can win her once democratic-controlled senate seat, that's one question. the second part is structurally, jake and our capitol hill team are more measured to be able to respond to. this for sinema was a frustrating moment in which she acknowledged in this video that americans, not just folks on capitol hill, but americans, are not looking for compromise and instead, they are retreating to their partisan corners and making the decision instead of running this campaign and
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handing the seat to lake. instead, bowing out and leaving it up to her former democratic ally to take it away. >> jake, vaughn, thank you very much for scrambling to get on this story for us. let's move on today to the weird but still very interesting super tuesday. weird because the presidential nomination isn't exactly brimming with suspense. donald trump and joe biden are both cruising toward their nominations and they are expecting to get the lion's share of delegates across the 16 states voting today. it is interesting because we're also watching a string of consequential down ballot races. ones shaped by the same issues likely to motivate voters in the general election. reproductive rights, culture wars, and immigration. and what the entire day is going to tell us about nikki haley. not just whether she drops out,
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which she eventually will, but what might happen to her voters when she does? do they move back to donald trump or go to joe biden or sit out all together? our reporters are fanned out across the country asking voters that very question. joining us from charleston, south carolina, ali vitali and in greensboro, shaquille brewster. >> reporter: i imagine the conversations ta shaq is having in north carolina at least if he's finding haley supporters probably sound familiar to ones i was having in texas last night. last night in fort worth was the last publicly scheduled event for haley. we don't expect to see her today. no future public events on the calendar. all that begs the question of what comes next after super tuesday and it's a question i
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asked her supporters, too. what do they want to see from her and what happens if she drops out and endorses trump. listen to their answers. >> i would stick with the republican party. definitely. >> reporter: even if it's trump. >> yes. >> reporter: what if she drops out? would you be disappointed if she endorsed trump? >> i don't think she will. >> if she does, i'll vote democrat. that's all there is to it. >> we don't like joe biden, we don't want donald trump, but haley is our best shot to beating joe biden and the republican party has to see that. >> i think we have two bad choices on the top of each ticket. she is beating, will beat biden in the general election. so keep going, girl. >> reporter: whether or not she's going to keep going, of course, is one of the key questions that we have.
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look, in my conversations with both the candidate and the campaign, i've asked the question about super tuesday as an inflection point. it's clear that it is one, but for haley, she says she's going to stay in the race for as long as she's competitive. and the answers i get from her staff are vague. they say she's got leadership slates set up in states that come after super tuesday. georgia next week, louisiana two weeks after that. that brings them to the end of march so i think tonight is a question of if now is the time or they keep stretching this out until trump officially locks up the nomination. a clean sweep for trump on super tuesday makes even the most narrow chances for haley that much more nonexistent. >> shaq, talk to me about what voters in north carolina are telling you. >> reporter: every voter i've talked to say they understand the uphill battle that nikki haley is facing. for some, that's driving them to
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come out. one lady told me it's because how she's weathered the attacks against her, that is why she decided to vote for her in this primary. that's notable here in north carolina because she doesn't need to win this contest in order to accumulate some of the delegates as long as she hits that 20% threshold. i want you to listen to what folks have been telling me this morning. people who are supporting her and those who said they can't vote for her. why nikki haley? >> two reasons. one, i think she would do a very good job and two, i think donald trump is a threat to the well-being of our country. >> all a woman is good for is having babies and taking care of the house. that's the old thing. i'm old school. >> reporter: so you never even considered her. >> no. >> reporter: mainly because she's a woman. >> because she's female. >> reporter: you're going to vote for biden, does he have a
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lock on your vote if it's donald trump? >> if it's donald trump, i do. >> nikki haley is irrelevant. >> reporter: why? >> it's obvious she's just there representing the rhino part of the republican party. >> reporter: and i do just have to point out that that misogynistic comment you heard earlier, that's a similar comment i've heard in other states from both men and women in this primary. ali will tell you about how haley tries to stay way from using gender in her campaign. for some voters, that's a clear reason why they're not willing to support her. even if they're not usually willing to say that on camera. >> yeah. that was surprising. shaq brewster, ali, one more thing. let's play a little sound from voters talking about the issues that matter to them. >> what's going to happen to this country in november was the
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prime reason that i'm here today. i'm vehemently disturbed with the choices that we have and wish them, wish for this country to have better. >> the economy. yeah. >> why? >> just because times are tough right now. i'm working two jobs and trying to keep things going and you know, everything's expensive. >> what issues? >> trump, trump, trump, trump, trump. vote for trump, save america. >> immigration. financial, the things in the store are getting so expensive. and i guess we've seen better days is what i'll say. >> you think so? >> i'm 88. i've seen a lot of days. but i've seen much better days than we have right now. >> all right, ali, shaq, thank you very much. joining us now, staff writer for
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the atlantic and msnbc political contributor, mark. tell me something smart about what's happening now. >> something smart. well, let's see. i do think that there's dissats faction with the choices at the top of the ticket. i do think people sound more strategic in some ways. not the crude sort of misogynistic strategic, but the strategic in terms of helping haley out. they think it makes a statement that could perpetuate a resistance to donald trump. but look, i think the most interesting part of this is what she'll do at the close of business today. i guess ali who said it before that she doesn't have events scheduled. we're going the see what that means. we're going to see if she's planned all along to get out tonight then if she does, is she going to couple this with an
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endorsement of trump which would i think at this point would be dispiriting to her supporters. when you talk to people at her events, there's a sense that she's gone not so much to a point of no return because politicians can be very nimble, but she's found a sharper voice against trump in recent days since the voting started. i think it would be hard for her to reverse that. >> that works for me. what happens to her voters? we heard a lot of sound from ali and shaq about where they might go. there's a question if she's getting 30% of the vote in each primary, that's a big chunk. is it safe to say that just because they're voting in a republican primary that they're going to show up for donald trump? >> it's not. if you believe what they've been telling you exit polling. there's been a decisive margin of haley voters in each primary so far that says they don't plan on voting for donald trump.
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i think the other side of this is that a lot of them are probably democrats and independents who are were going to support biden anyway and they just sort of took the opportunity of a crossover primary to register a protest vote for trump because they could. but they're a real wild card come november and i don't think trump should have any expectation. to get the same number of primary voters in 2020. >> what do you make of this "new york times" polling that shows americans have a much rosier view of trump than they did? people are talking about the sample size. that's what polls have. pretty standard sample size for a lot of polls and it's random. what do you make of this idea, is it just that donald trump's been out of office for three years, going on four years, and -- >> maybe. i wouldn't underestimate. people think he's quite or too
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old to be running again. that's been born out by the numbers pretty consistently for the last few years. i think what it reflects also is a level of anger maybe at biden that he's putting the country and democratic party through this again. i think there was an expectation, it was unstated to some degree, but he did sort of run in 2020 as a bridge candidate. as the, someone who was going to eventually give way to the next generation and when he said this, gretchen whitmer and cory booker and kamala harris was behind him. there was in some ways an expectation this was a one-time stopgap measure. i think that's reflected in his bad numbers. ultimately, i think with biden's people and what the white house has been banking on is that once there's a clarity between the two choices, when people focus on trump v. biden, it will reflect well on the president and he will win over the supporters who supported him again in 2020. >> certainly hoping so.
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that's what they're hoping at least. mark, thank you very much. still ahead from dobbs to alabama's ivf ruling, what role reproductive rights will play in today's election. and he was president a short three years ago and left office with historically low approval numbers but donald trump is currently leading president biden nearly every poll. it's close. but he is leading. do americans have what "the new york times" is calling collect ld amnesia about the former president? plus, what might have opened the door to another january 6th crisis from yesterday's supreme court ruling. and as we go to break, a live look at voters casting their ballots in vermont. we're back in 60 seconds. vermot we're back in 60 seconds [dog whimpers] [thinking] why always the couch? does he need to go to puppy school?
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because our country's a mess. it was in much better shape four years ago and if we don't turn it around, we're in big trouble. >> when did you make your decision? >> eight years ago. >> remember when donald trump tried to buy greenland, the country? or when he suggested nuking hurricanes or injecting yourself with bleach to kill covid or because he said he doesn't exercise or when he threw paper towels at the people of puerto rico. or when he was impeached twice or when he revealed secret israeli intelligence to the russians in the oval office or when he separated migrant children from their parents. or when he refused to concede the election? if you don't remember, you're not alone. "the new york times" calls it a case of collective amnesia, helping to explain why donald trump's approval rating has gone up since he left office. joining us now, spokesperson for
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vice president harris and former congressman, charlie dent. charlie, since you're the odd one out, i'll begin with you. what is this? do you agree with this idea? >> to a certain extent. people have short memories. therm what they want to remember. they're focused on the present more than they are on the past and frankly, that's the role of the campaign. and in this case, the biden campaign is to remind people of all the things donald trump did while he was in office that you just rattled off. again, people forget and i think that's a big part of it and also, we should remember that a lot of people look at this election as a referendum on the incumbent president. that is joe biden. of course, joe biden will try to make this election a choice or perhaps a referendum on donald trump. a lot of people looking at this election in terms of what's joe biden done for me. not so much about donald trump. >> what's he done for me lately, you might say. >> yes, in my janet jackson
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voice. charlie is right that people have short memories. that is why polling for example right this early out from a general election i think is, doesn't tell us much. it's a snapshot. gives us indications, but what you see in september before they start voting, that's more of a general indicator, okay, this is what the people are going to do. i do think this is a choice election because donald trump is not a stranger to the american people and neither is biden. the choice is between the two. there are some third party options but at the end of the day, no third party is going to get 270. the campaign will have to do a, the biden campaign, they'll have to do a really good job of drawing that contrast as it becomes clear so that voters are very aware that donald trump is the other choice here. there's nothing else. >> i know it's super tuesday. usually a big deal. not such a big deal this year because we're in this weird two
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incumbent race and they both look like they're going to lock it up. are there issues or margins th white house will be watching for? >> everybody should watch what happens in texas. in alabama. the ivf ruling, that is on the minds of voters now as they're going to the polls in alabama and what state legislatures did not do when it came to correcting the legislation. they didn't answer the question of is an embryo an unborn child. i also think looking at what happens in races such as california. we won't know the details for some days maybe given how california votes. it's a thing out there. in north carolina. so some of these, these are all places that are going to make a difference and matter when it comes to places or issues that are going to make a difference in november. >> charlie, what about the
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republican side of things? >> i'm looking to see what the margin is between donald trump and nikki haley. as mark pointed out, there are millions of americans who are voting for haley who are not going to support trump in the fall. that's a problem for the trump campaign. the republican party is still divided. not evenly, but it is divided and trump needs to win 90% plus. of course, joe biden has his problems, too. with lack of enthusiasm on the democratic side. but this is a real problem for the trump campaign. they might not want to admit it. so i just want to see if haley exceeds her expectations, if she continues to hang around as an all terntive in the event trump for whatever reason is unable to become the nominee for criminal matters or other reasons. >> we saw an incredible level of turnout in 2020. the most votes ever cast in a presidential election. the most for the republican and the most for the democrat.
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joe biden had more than donald trump did. are you expecting the same level? it was such an acute moment. we were in the middle of a pandemic. everything seems crazy and scary. donald trump had been president for four years. democrats were hugely motivated. are you expecting that level of enthusiasm in 2024? >> i absolutely. >> really. >> since then, we've seen a midterm election where voters came out in droves in places all across the country to vote for their rights and freedoms. every that abortion has been on the ballot, it has won. that's why you see democrats in aligned campaigns moving to put abortion on the ballot in places like florida. arizona. because one, i think there's real dangers there depending on especially in arizona. it's a place that was close in 2024 for the presidential. it was close in 2020 for the
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presidential. it was close in this governor's race. it's a battleground and i don't think you want to leave your rights up to whoever's in the governor's mansion or state legislature. wisconsin, the judge elected in 2023 to the supreme court. that was because young people, women, some even moderate democrats, even some not so conservative republicans, they came out and they voted for their rights. >> let's talk about another state supreme court. thank you. we're going to talk about the supreme court in alabama. it decides that embryos are children. the chief justice cited verses from the bible in his concurring opinion raising a lot of eyebrows. now the voters of alabama will get a chance to decide who will replace him as chief justice. >> supreme court got it wrong though. >> you believe the supreme court court, the embryo decision? why? >> because they said embryos are
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humans. well how in the world can you freeze humans? you can't freeze me. have me come back. i'm a human. >> that was a great point. joining us now from montgomery, alabama. dasha burns. good to have you. so this is a primary and there are two i guess republicans who are running right now against each other. one is a justice who's currently sitting on the court. also agreed that embryos are children in that ruling. another one is a state senator. whoever wins that is going to face off against the democrat. does the democrat have a chance come november given this ruling? >> reporter: this is alabama. so i would say likely not. look, this is a state where people are religious. people are red, red, red in their political believes and look, as we've been talking to folks at the polls here, there are a lot of people i talked to who agree with the supreme court
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decision. when i ask if they agree, they say yes. i asked them if they believe embryos are children. they say yes. that gentlemen there was an exception and realized he wouldn't to so well if he were frozen but a lot of people believe life begins at conception. take a listen. >> i'm kind of ify about that. i don't know. i'll leave it to the ones that are higher up than i am to make the decision about that. but i'm very protective of embryos. >> i don't know about that because i believe in god put them where they want to. if they want, if they're supposed to have a baby, let god do the work. >> i think women or families should have control of their lives and their bodies. women in particular. i think a lot of people making those decisions have not considered the whole realm of why people want to go through all of that expense, heart ache, to have children.
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and because they don't understand that, they're interfering with people's lives and happiness. >> reporter: so here is the caveat. when i ask a lot of these same people do they believe that women and families should have access to ivf. a lot of people say yes. i had one gentleman that very confidently said he agreed with the alabama supreme court then in the next breath said yes, he very much believes in ivf access. yes, this is absolutely an issue that can drive voters to the polls and that can pull over swing voters, democrats, moderate republicans, but it is a complicated issue and there aren't, there isn't a clear line for a lot of folks between this state supreme court ruling, embryos are children, and this impact on ivf clinics and even the fall of roe versus wade and how it opened the door to so much of this.
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democrats need to really do a lot of work to make sure people understand how all of these they thinks are connected. they can't take it for granted because a lot of people will agree with ivf even with abortion to a certain point, but they have to understand how this works in concert and how their choices impact. >> this is a much more complicated issue not as cut and dry as do you believe in abortion. >> reporter: right. >> unless you're going through it, then you understand it. thank you very much. coming up, with a ruling that only congress could get a candidate off the ballot, did the supreme court just open the door to another january 6th? plus, the role hamas says the u.s. needs to play in negotiating a cease fire with ramadan approaching. but as we go to break, what voters are saying about the war in gaza. >> i think each side has taken actions that are wrong. both israel and hamas,
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when the supreme court ruled yesterday that colorado did not have the authority to remove donald trump from its ballot, it said it was working to avoid a patchwork of ballots where voters in some states got one candidate while voters in others did not. it could be chaos, the justices wrote. but did they in fact avoid potential chaos in their decision or did they create another equally chaotic consequence? josh explore that is in his latest piece. i know you wrote this with kyle cheney. i'm going to give a shutout to him as well. explain this loophole.
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can you call it a loophole? >> well, it maybe an unintended consequence of the courts' ruling. the question is here is who has the power to kick insurrectionists off the ballot. either the presidential ballot, state ballot, ballot for any position. it seems like no one is not a tenable answer. so the supreme court here had to basically decide whether states had the right to kick presidential candidates off the ballot and they said no. they think that power resides with congress. which is a fine answer except for the fact that you know, congress is also the one that as we know from january 6th, oversees the tallying of electoral votes. article is looking at a controversy going on in the last 24 hours among constitutional law professors, legal experts, who say the court's ruling
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punting this to congress is almost an invitation to people up there to decide they're going to unilaterally enforce this if they don't like the results in november. >> so part of the decision is that congress would have to legislate. that's how i read it at least. i'm sure there are legal scholars who are not going to read it that way. if they have to pass legislation, a statute, is there something congress could look to that say if donald trump wins, he's not eligible and the election is moot? >> right. that is one interpretation of the decision. some say that electoral count reform act that was passed a couple of years ago that was supposed to address the issues that came up four years ago in the tallying of the electoral ballots, that that law could be seen as a law that implements this insurrection provision even though it didn't say that it is a law like that. but what's curious is that the
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decision at least the way i read it is kind of ambiguous. it says congress could pass legislation but the majority doesn't actually say that's the only way congress can work its will. curiously, the concurrence from the three liberals says that's what the majority said, but you can't actually find the words in there that legislation is required to implement this. why? well, congress on a number of occasions, has considered denying positions either in the house or senate to people who were considered to be insurrectionists and there's a general legal consensus that the house and senate each have the ability to do that. so there's some role for congress to implement that provision without passing legislation. they can do it with their own members and the question is could they do that in this electoral tally that's set to take place next january 6th. >> you talked to a couple of
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lawmakers about this. what did they tell you? >> they said they're going to look at the decision carefully. democrats were weary of saying this is something they consider. their preference on the democratic side would be for joe biden to win so this wouldn't be a question, but it seems like at least some democrats, perhaps those you know that are on the left end of the party, would be reluctant to rule out any possibility if they really think trump isn't qualified to be president because there are many legal experts out there, both on the liberal side and even a few on the conservative side saying they think his argument has weight. that the real argue on the table is did the supreme court slam the door on this and nail it shut or is there wiggle room. >> josh, really glad to have you. appreciate it. >> thank you. still ahead, what the u.n. says it found that offers proof
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nbc news found that kamala harris wanted to go a lot further in her criticism of israel over the weekend but her speech was toned down by the white house security council. joining us now, former arab yiz negotiator, aaron david miller. do you read any significance into the fact the security council wanted her to pull back on her comments? >> yeah, i do. first of all, i think if the president wanted to deliver a tough message on the issue of humanitarian aid and there is an area where he can pressure israelis, he should have delivered the message himself. sometimes surrogates work. good cop bad cop. but in this case, anything short of a message from the president along the lines that reflected in the vice president, it's very tough remarks. they probably were tougher and
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the nsc probably toned them down. i don't think at this point given the fact that the administration really is pretty desperate, you can understand why, for an israel hamas deal, that joe biden wants to be in a position of going to figuratively speaking, going to a war of words with netanyahu. >> ramadan is in a few days. the other day, i asked spokesperson for the israeli government whether they're considering that. and whether they want to be fighting on ramadan. he said there have been a lot of battles on ramadan throughout the middle east. leads me to believe it's not going to be an issue for the israelis. is it going to be an issue for the wider arab world? >> i think hamas has a stake in alleviating pressure on the part
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of the civilian population of gaza. and according to the reports from the negotiations, part of their demands are the surge in humanitarian assistant to allow gazans who are now in southern gaza to return to the north. and hamas would also like to turn ramadan, which is a festive occasion, into an opportunity to announce prisoner releases. so i think in terms of ramadan, i think that hamas would like to see a deal. i think though that the more desperate the administration appears, the more intrins enter hamas' position is going to be. the worst thing in a negotiation is to tell your negotiatoring partners is you're more in a hurry to complete the deal than they are. i think it's a result in hamas toughening up. >> the u.n. found that there is evidence that women were
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sexually abused on october 7th and there could still be abuse goeng on with the hostages who remain for more than four months in gaza. talk to me about the significance of the u.n. finding it and the tension between the u.n. and israel. >> from the standpoint of israeli government on this particular issue, i don't think tht a matter of right or left. i think israelis have reached the conclusion that the international community is not in interesting in this issue of sexual degradation and rape against the backdrop of the losses of civilian palestinian life in gaza. and the issue of sexual abuse should be given a more prominent role. i think that the tussle with the u.n., the former israeli foreign minister wanting a security
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council meeting in order to discuss this and blame secretary general for not convening it. well, it's not up to him to convene it. parties have to do that. but i think there is this clear sense farther away you got from october 7th that the once split screen which showed willful indiscriminate killing and sadistic treatment of women on october 7th has now become one screen only and that is what the israelis are and i think that that's -- that's an attitude, i think, shared by many israelis. particularly as the u.n. itself confirms these abuses that occurred october 7th. and the women that were in hamas' hands or in the hands of other groups, i'm chill to
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think of the stories that they are going to tell. hopefully, they're going to be released. but it's a reminder, katy, i think, of what kind of organization we're dealing with here.nt, you're dealing with a terrorist group. aaron david miller. aaron, thank you very much. >> sure. coming up, we're live in california where voters are deciding who will fill the seat left vacant by the late senator dianne feinstein. alan, we get it. you love your bike. we do, too. that's why we're america's number-one motorcycle insurer. but do you have to wedge it into everything? what? i don't do that. this reminds me of my bike. the wolf was about the size of my new motorcycle. have you seen it, by the way? happy birthday, grandma! really? look how the brushstrokes follow the line of the gas tank.
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