. okay, here we are, it is 9:00 p.m. on the west coast, and i am jen psaki, and the midnight shift is the best shift to talk politics here at that time big table to break down everything that happened tonight. we're going to learn more tonight, too, and we do have a lot to talk about, because results from 16 states ask one territory, don't forget that one, just brought us one big step closer to a general election rematch between president joe biden and donald trump, and trump has unsurprisingly won a bunch of states bringing his total degrees to 900, so if we take a look at trump with the numbers, to catch everyone, four indictments, 91 criminal charges, two impeachments and on

the democratic side, president biden has swept every state so far and to jp, and another front-runner that hit the magic number, those that need to clinch the nomination, but they're both pretty darn close. now a major outstanding question coming into tonight we still have, not about trump or biden but about nikki haley and how much longer she plans to stick around in this race? for what it's worth, haley is projected to win the state of vermont, her second win after her victory in washington d.c. over the weekend, but in most of the other primaries tonight, she didn't really do anything to expand her share of the vote in any meaningful way. just in the last half hour, the haley campaign released a statement saying we're honored to have received the support of millions of americans across the country today, including in vermont. today, in state after state, there remains a large block of republican primary voters who

are expressing deep concerns about donald trump. that is not the unity our party needs for success. haley is reportedly watching results behind closed doors, and that doesn't paint a thriving campaign, but for now, she's technically still in it. we'll bring you any changes or anything we learn from the reporters out there as we have them, and if nikki haley is not long from the case, it showed cracks in the trump's general election campaign, and we'll dive into pretty telling exit polls in the next two hours, as well. for donald trump, he spoke tonight. he gave a very low energy speech tonight, if it's fair to say, lying about his record on the economy and covid and going on a completely fact free rant on immigration, you know, just basically trump victory speech sort of stuff. but tonight, we're not just following the race for a white

house. there's also a whole lot of action, interesting action, notably in california. polls in the state' highly contested race closed and adam schiff and former baseball player steve garvey will advance to the joins us next general election and he is a -- >> i promise, i could go on. there's lots more, and i will go on later in the show. joshstein won the democratic primary in north carolina, so that sets the stage for north carolina to be a big state come november. it sets the stable to be a showdown between someone who represents stability and someone

that represents extremism, which probably sounds pretty familiar to you. there's clearly a lot happening from the top to the bottom on the ticket races across the country, and the next two hours, we'll unpack what we know tonight, what we may still learn and what this all means tomorrow and of course, november of 2024. the panel is going to join me in just a moment. they're all here with a lot to stay, and we'll go to steve at the big board. i want to ask you about the senate race in california, because that's a biggie in the last half hour. >> you can see overall, the delegate numbers changing, 63636 delegates is trump leading by 8e62 and haley barely cracking 15% of the vote and he's already

winning handedly, and he'll get more delegates and approaching 1100 delegates, and if you hook at the results and fast forward a week when you have georgia, when you have mississippi and washington, and you have a caucus, that is a key word, because trump is getting what he needs tonight to have a real chance to cross the threshold to formal claim the nomination next week, and it's by wrapping up massive, massive wins. look at alabama tonight. he's going to get all 40 delegates from alabama. we certainly all expected him to win alabama, but a 70-point margin, i'm got sure we were expecting that. tennessee, haley hasn't even cracked 20% with 20% of the votes still to come in and those to be potentially strong states, look at virginia, losing by a

2-1 margin. and in north carolina tonight, she's losing by more than 50 points, all the votes counted in north carolina, so she does pick up a victory in vermont, vermont a very small state and frankly a demographic outliar in the democratic primary, so what this sets the stage for, what decision will she make in the coming days, whether to stay in this race or not? one thing i think she has to consider is the talking point she's been using on the campaign trail. this is based on new hampshire and north carolina and 40% a sizable of the electorate that doesn't want donald trump. that is what her rhetoric has been built about. you're not seeing the 40% here, and just add up all the primaries and caucuses, what share is nikki haley getting, where she is getting collect

collectively and in california, she's running turn 23% total so that number may come down, and she may be at half of 40% in the contest and, again, swamped and well under 20%, so it does raise the possible where the voters in the republican side who are initially casting ballots for haley in the subsequent states have looked at this and say, all right, it's time to get on board with donald trump. these results certainly suggest it, and is there a benefit that haley received from crossover voters, independents in new hampshire and independent and democrats in south carolina, who were really enthused in those states to come into the republican party where the rules allowed it and vote for donald trump. in virginia, on paper had more potential for haley than south carolina and even in a very, very friendly state

demographically, minnesota looked like a friendly state and hasn't cracked 30% of the vote and the most friendly state was colorado, the group she's done the best with, she gets a third of the vote in colorado, so there really has been a drop-off in the demographics that haley was appealing to in what they're delivering for her in the subsequent states. does she want to be in this race a week from now based on these results collecting 15, 20% of the vote as donald trump potentially crosses the 1215 delegate threshold and becomes the nominee? coming out tonight, she can't be pointing anymore to a 40% of the republican primary vote not going to trump. that number comes way, way down tonight. >> at a certain point, steve, the data and the numbers, which you're an expert, make it clear for nikki haley the reality.

before you go, talk about the california senate race. garvey didn't really campaign that much, and that a very generous thing i'm saying. it seems he surged in the recent weeks, so how did this all happen? what does this tell us if anything about the jill kelley general election. >> the republicans that turned up checked out steve garvey's name and in a four way hotly contested open primary, if you can car roll just the republican vote, it going to be more than enough to get you into the top two, so that's how garvey gets this position. certainly you can talk about the

assist he received from adam schiff, to expose garvey's name. and we suspected that schiff had a really good chance of locking down one of the top two spots. the polling wasn't indicating quite this. better than 2-1 margin here over katie porter and schiff is second and barbara lee, from the bay area, she's at seven percent so more of the democratic vote coalesced behind schiff seemingly in the final days of this campaign, and there's a much, much clearer divide these top two, and and the rest of the field, but in terms of the general election, an incredibly deep blue state. nobody thinks joe biden will carry california by a wide margin in november and split ticket voting between senate candidates and presidential candidates has almost completely

disappeared in the trump era. when trump emerged in 2016, susan collins won in maine in 2020, otherwise, they both go into forms, certainly the expectation that california adds, 37% for schiff, 52% democratic, 7% for lee. so the 29% for garvey when you combine the democratic votes suddenly it falls behind pretty quickly. >> feels like a little bit of a climb with steve garvey even with baseball and some good hair. thank you, steve, as always. joining me now is former chief spokesperson for kamala harris and cohost of "the weekend" simone townsend and former communications director and forecommunication director for jeb bush and former democratic

senator from missouri, claire mccaskall. i don't know if this is patrolling or smart. donald trump gave a speech, low energy, tired donald trump, but this is probably the biggest speech of the year, so i'm got sure why he didn't have a coke beforehand. he said unity will happen quickly. he didn't have nothing nice to say about nikki haley, and in this statement from a spokesperson, unity is not achieved by simply claiming we're united. she's in for for now. claire, tell me, let's start with haley and trump here, because there were also some numbers here that made it clear that trump hasn't made it in his

party to, so what was your /tpofpb republican? >> i get tired of the uncommitted voters and biden has a problem in his party. listen, i think it's fine if people want to say i'm committed in this primary process, but if you look at that time numbers today, donald trump failed to get a 70 point margin except in one state, and that was alabama. joe biden got more than a 70 point margin in every single state except two. 80% of the vote, 85% of the vote, 88% of the vote. our party is pretty united, it really is. and another time we'll talk about party threats, which is another thing, but they have a war going on in the party and nikki haley knows it. donald trump owns the party ask will be the nominee, but there

are people -- in fact, i might know a guy sitting next to me that used to say he was a republican, and he now realizes he's not a donald trump republican, and there's a bunch of the folks out there that joe biden can get. >> tim miller, great to see you. i know this is your prime time. one of the questions we've all been asking ourselves, what does nikki haley want? what is her goal here? >> okay, well, that's a psychological question, and i'm not a therapist. >> well, give us a strategic answer. what's the conversation she's having with her closest advisors? >> the question is what does she want to do with her life is really the question, because she's not going to win the primary. i appreciate there's a war going on but it's a pretty lopsided one. and she got defeated handedly and that is except for vermont, and she's got coming back in

2028. i'm 90% sure she knows that, that this is not her party /skp-r going to be her party next type, so what she does now -- >> you mean -- if it goes away, it's not the person that challenged trump. so she's not making a political decision. she's trying to decide do, i want to be the leader of this kind of rum faction of a traditional, whatever you want top calm it, compassionate republican party do, i want to do that? do i want to run against donald trump, or run third party, those are her options? >> do you want to go on boards and not be in politics. >> do i want to go back on sullivan's island and just hang out? it's not a strategic question. the strategy is over. she got wiped out tonight, and good on her. i hope she stays in and keeps

taking the fight to trump and doesn't endorse him and gal nice galvanizing them. >> a lot of the big money people are with her, it's whether they two to him. he needs money. he's got money problems, and there's a lot of comes professionals going on here. so you both advised presidential candidates, including presidential candidates that didn't necessarily win, we've all been there. we've all been there. >> i've been there really the loss handedly. >> i got nothing on me in losing handedly. >> this is a night as tim said

where it is psychological. it's hard to drop out of a presidential race, what do those conversations look like, and you get to the point like nikki haley that it's time to drop out because the numbers aren't there, we all know that. what are you advising her? give a speech tomorrow, wait two weeks, keep fighting? >> i don't know about you, but for me, it was very telling that it was a spokesperson that put out this statement and not nikki haley. it was very telling that they had no plans to be seen tonight, and she has nothing on her schedule for the foreseeable future, so for me, the conversations are they were waiting to have the real conversations after super tuesday, and the next couple of days, that is where the conversations will happen, and if she's smart and decides to drop out, she picks a sunday show stage to do it where she will actually get eyeballs for all of the things she's saying and at least control the narrative for one morning. >> there was one more sentence

in that statement -- >> sorry, i -- >> okay, she says, this is not the unity our party needs for success, addressing those voters' concerns will make republican party and america better. so is that a ransom, so is he thinking, i'm going to say the party needs to do something or ask for something, but that seems to suggest the beginning of an exit strategy? >> it seems like it. >> but you know, on the personal point, it's hard to end a presidential campaign, because the private jet goes away and all the staff go away, and there's not tv cameras following you listen, and all of a sudden, you have to figure out the bills that have piled up and the laundry you need to do and the kids go to school, and that all

goes away, and that's a very difficult thing to walk away from, especially she has the future that tim laid out, that is certainly not a future you can map out of the in a conventional way. >> can i say one thing about nikki haley, you can only demand things if you have leverage, and i hear -- i thought it was a good strategy to coming up with the 40%. they themselves probably knew it was a shot in the dark to hit 40% tonight, but you know what, you live on your talking points until you got to change them. that's all she's got is talking points ask conviction. >> there's a percentage that didn't support trump. >> it holds in some regard, but where are your delegates? what is your actual leverage? the leverage that she's talking about right now is theoretical, wrapped up in these percentages that you have to get on the big board to point out to people.

you need something tangible to point to, so if that's a ransom note -- >> it's not clear. >> i heard you make a point how she basically said she doesn't want trump to be president, and sometimes she says maybe she's open to it -- i don't know. if you were to wave a magic wand, what could nikki haley do, endorse joe biden or something short of that, i mean, what could she do that would be useful in this race? >> that would be useful, but i don't think she's going to do that. it all depends if nikki haley is worried about her legacy politically, because she has to political future. her political life is over unless she decides to change parties and runs in a state where a democratic can get elected for something. i don't think she has a future

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that guy in november. it is electriced that colin allred will win the primary and here is congressman allred addressing his supporters. congratulations for winning the u.s. senate and you will be running with unseeded incumbent republican ted cruz. you have a big road ahead of you, so i hope you're sleeping and have coffee and all the things. but let me start with this, no democrat has won a statewide office in texas in 30 years, the longest streak of its kind in the united states, so tell us what your campaign strategy is to break that streak? >> yeah, well thanks for having me on, jenn. it's a great night for folks that got me to this point, but listen, this election is about our future and where we're going to go from here and who is going to be serving us in the senate for the next six years. we're diverse, dynamic and a rapidly growing state, and we

need fresh ideas and new leadership, and we've seen enough of ted cruz here. we know he is only looking out for the interest of himself, and i'm the bipartisan members in the house of representatives and literally the most bipartisanship member of the texas delegation and running against the most extreme senator in the country to restore our rights and freedoms to make sure that our freedoms are represented in the texas senate. >> for the people just tuning in, just getting to know you, tell us what is the thing about ted cruz that makes you want to unseed him. he spends a lot of time podcasting and what else, why is he a person to be kicked out and sent back to texas? >> as i said minute speech tonight, you know, when i played in the nfl, we talked about guys who were "mi guys, who looked out for themselves and not

looking at the team first and only looking out for the press. [ inaudible ] . >> we're having a little technical difficulty there. hopefully we'll get the congressman back to talk to him more. well, hopefully if we don't get him back, thank you so much, congressman allred. if you can see us and hear us, we appreciate you. i do think we have matthew dowd, the former chief strategist for jeb bush's 2004 campaign, and he knows a fair amount of texas, i know if it's the white whale or blue whale, but democrats have wanted texas for so long. break down the reality of this senate race, how likely is it, give us your thoughts? >> good to talk to, you jen. as you probably know, i was the campaign manager for the last

democrat to win in texas statewide 30 years ago, so it's been a long time, and i remember that race well as texas was changing. i think texas has went from a democrat state to a swing state in a short period of time to a red state to a light red state, and it on the verge of becoming purple. the question is, can it become purple in a presidential election year or need to be a mid-term year x i think colin allred has a great chance at the race, so i think his chances to a large degree depend on the -- depends on the margin between donald trump and joe biden, and if that margin is in single digits or seven or eight, then i think he as a real, remain good shot of beating ted cruz. if it's double digits, i think it might be harder.

>> i think we have congressman man allred. what people should know about ted cruz, and you were talking about when you were in the nfl, people talked about me guys, what should people know about ted cruz just tuning into this race? >> yeah. well, serving public office should be about the folks you're trying to serve, not about yourself, and to me, ted cruz is the all me guy. he's somebody who has always been looking out for himself that is why he podcasts three times a week and we have critical legislation for our state, he votes against it. he goes against this because it pushes him forward, and i think texans are tired of this. so you talk about where we've been and what the margin of victory should be, but texas is tired of senator cruz and that

is what this will be about. >> congressman allred, thank you for joining us this evening. i know you have a lot of work ahead of you. we'll bring in matthew dowd, one of the texas experts, so let me ask you, matthew, you've been involved in so many aspects of government and the government, and obviously, the president has a big speech and one of the biggest speeches, and what do the people of texas need to hear from him? what might help colin allred that the president might talk about on thursday night? >> well, i think that's a great question. not only the people in texas but the people in arizona and michigan and pennsylvania have to hear. i think it's the most important speech he'll give even more important than the convention, because as you know and the panel knows, people hook at a convention and hook at a prism of a more partisan audience. a state of the union is much less partisan and much more i'm

the president of the united states. i think after tonight, i have to tell you watching tonight's election results, i have to say was britain like watching a football game that you had put on tape they when you already knew what the results were and then you watch the game. we always knew it's going to be donald trump versus joe biden and now it's formalized. the speech on thursday is the big first step in the process of what this election is about. i know it's a state of the union, so it's not going to be fully political, but i think he actually take the speech and basically say, this is a choice that's confronting america in a broad, big way, but not only philosophical but wait means in this country and what our point in history is, because i think this is probably the most important point in our history since the advent of the civil war. i actually think we're at that point, the most important point in our country's history in the last 160 years, and he needs to

make that argument, and if he makes that argument and does it for the next 250 days, then i think the speech has resonance. if he give the speech and isolates the speech, then i don't think it has that much effect. >> that's kind of a point, what happens after that. let me ask you about immigration, because it is an issue that the dallas democrats and donald trump spent a chunk of the speech about immigration and killed the bipartisan immigration bill s that an issue that joe biden and the democrats should spend a lot of time trying to make up ground on, or what do you think strategically should they approach that issue? >> well, you know, here in texas, it's obviously a big issue, but i think you look at

voters in north carolina and they listed economy, democracy and immigration seem to be the top three issues today. i don't think they can seek to spend a huge amount of resources on it, in my opinion, but they have to be proactive on it and make the country understand that if you want to solve this and the people hurt in solving this are the republicans republicans and donald trump. the democrats are never going to win on this issue. it's just you have to cut the margin to a degree, but i think the worst thing you can do, and some democrats have fallen into this trap, that being defensive on the issue. they need to be proactive and put the republicans on the defense x if you cut the margin just a little, that's a positive effect in the campaign. >> we saw a little of that in the special election in new york

with tom suozzi's raise. matthew dowd, thanks for rolling with us with technical issue. coming up, we'll check in with the biden campaign a spokesperson for the biden campaign is joining us next. we'll be right back. 'll be right back.

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results of the primaries and he said, prime minister of voters made their voices heard showing that they are ready to fight back against donald trump's extreme plans to take us backwards. tower years ago, i ran because of the extend shall threat donald trump posed to the america we all believe in. he is driven by grievance and griffith focused on his own revenge. joining me now is a spokesperson for the biden/harris campaign, kevin munoz. hi, kevin. thanks for staying up late with us. >> hi, jen. it's past my bedtime but happy to be here. >> it's all good, so let me start with this, i know you guys were watching all the primaries tonight but probably the places you're actually going to compete and spend money and resources leading up to november, and i'm talking about -- well, there's a couple states, but north carolina specifically. that was the state the president came closest in 2020 to winning

but didn't win. item us what you saw there in north carolina. is there anything that was encouraging to your team as you looked at that time data and the results? >> well. >> look, want we saw in north carolina was part of a trend that we saw across the country, and what we've seen throughout these republican primaries, which is that a lot of the independent, the suburban, the moderate republican voters that are decisive to getting to 270 electoral votes are not with donald trump and not only does donald trump not have their support, we saw between seven, and eight and 10 of these haley voters say that they're not committed to voting for donald trump this november, so we see these as opportunities and we see donald trump not having interest in reaching across the aisle and reaching the voters and opportunities for us to expand the coalition. look, north carolina is a state that seen the impact really intimately of this magna

extremism and overriding the governor cooper abortion ban veto and we think that will mobilize in this cycle. >> a huge state to watch. and i also known from doing a few campaigns, we have combined have done 150 campaigns, this panel, that you were probably watching donald trump's speech tonight. there was a lot of it and much of it was pretty detached and pretty low energy, i'll keep repeating that. what were you guys saying when you were watching that speech? >> some of the low energy speeches will say, this is him being more disciplined and it's not. he was talking about how the immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country, that is nazi rhetoric, so we have to

keep our eyes laser focused on the real negative impact donald trump has and how toxic his agenda is for the voters that will decide this election, and no mar lago speech and his crazy friends changes here and the agenda he has and we'll have to keep talking to the voters about that. >> kevin munoz, we'll let you sleep, and we have much more to get to tonight. the panel is coming back right after a quick break, so stay with us.

will donald trump is wrecking up several victories tonight, we are also getting into the voters who chose not to vote for him. among gop primary voters who backed haley in the state of virginia and north carolina, a majority of them said they would not commit to voting for the republican nominee, regardless of what is this november. and a plurality of voters in california said the same. in other words, haley's backers have deep reservations about trump in those states. to that point a lot of haley's support comes from voters to stick it. her and north carolina in

california, a sizable number said simone, jen, and tim are back with me. let's talk about this, we were just talking about during the break, there are some opportunities for the biden team, let's start with that acceptable number. it is kind of -- >> it stuck out to me when i look at those numbers, what did you think? >> that was the one thing, i wrote wrote it down in my own handwriting. there's this whole thing in the- - times pull over the weekend that everybody freaked out about and it said that trump was getting 93% of his vote, right? and only in-- and for biden only 83% of his 2020 voters said they would vote for him, but then we see in these actual -- when you are actually voting trump is not getting 20-40% of the vote in the republican primary and then you have republicans saying people in

the republican primary voting saying that they will not necessarily back the nominee. that tells me there are a lot of independence in their that are open to voting for biden in addition to biden it is not great that biden is not getting the about 20% of biden's vote for 2020 if not yet with him but that means he has room to grow. i think that is not super easy, but-ish and you know, some universe of independence that you know, a small percentage could vote for him and there is your victory. >> it's true he needs to get those voters back. the other point someone made to me today, which stuck with me is that the 2020 electorate is not the 2024 electorate, because of dobbs. and we know from 2022 that there is a swath of voters who will turn out to our mad about abortion rights and their access to abortion rights and they turned out in 2022, they

turned out in special elections in virginia, where i live so, simone, what was your take away from that exit poll or maybe other things that might be good sites for the biden team? >> well, look, we have our great chief of exit polls right here. i think the economy never stuck out to me. i looked at and north carolina, in the primary, of the republican voters, 51% favored a national law banning abortions, but if you go down and look at super tuesday republican primaries that opposed the federal law banning abortions nationwide, california 54% opposed, north carolina, 49% opposed, virginia, 54% opposed, those were republican primary voters opposing a national law in those states that north carolina number, that 51 commit concerns me and also i think speaks to how the current lieutenant governor is now the nominee for governor there. so, abortion is a general election issue in 2024 and i think the biden campaign realizes it. i think that the trump campaign realizes it, which is why we

are trying to, you know, they are trying to take a magic wand and poof, make us forget that donald trump is the president who appointed the judges that overturned roe v wade and bragged about it. like he doesn't have a-- >> it didn't happen. >> he's like that wasn't me. and we cannot forget, we know what it is. the next president will be talking about roe v wade, and the state of her union says she will be going to phoenix on friday, again for her fifth stop on that tour to talk about this issue. phoenix, arizona, arizona, a state that the biden camp won in 2020, they needed to win that in order to become the president, they needed to get the win reelection. this is a strategy that i don't think is showing up in the polling. everyplace abortion was on the ballot-- it was like a trickle. >> welcome to the abortion issue, it is interesting for a range of reasons, tim is with us.

it may be strange that i am going to talk to a man about abortion rights, but that is what i am going to do. >> we need men in the conversation too. >> we need men in the conversation. >> one of the interesting things about abortion rights, you do not see it in these polls, it is not the number one issue for people. it does engage and excite a population of people, but it needs to be in front of people's faces as a threat in order for it to be a voting issue. so, you are also a communications expert, how do you do that, including independence, moderate republicans who may not love trump, make about this issue? >> i'm about to center the mail voters here, because i think the democrats can strangely talk to those guys too. and i think this is where all of it is. and i would say we are still in the midterms, a lot of women were upset with republicans, a lot of moderates, they are already voting democrat, they probably voted biden in 2020, so how could you possibly grow? and trump has done so well with

noncollege men that are not christian. we talk about evangelicals, but trump brought in all of those-- you know the famous obama trump union guys. the joe rogan crowd. in fact, if i think i was the democrats i would be really focused on talking to them about abortion rights, because some of them also, you know, that could be a very important issue in their lives as well, they are pro-choice, they are not looking for, they were for trump because he wasn't creepy weird christian like ted cruz and mike johnson right? they like trump because he seemed secular, so democrats need a message to them, in addition to women that the threats here are very real and if trump gets in there, it is not going to be apprenticed, pro trump that is handling the abortion issue, it will be mike johnson handling-- that supreme court, and i think that could be a way for democrats to gain with a group that they haven't done that well. >> no question. >> i just think that the ibf

decision is the most important thing that has happened in the race this far. >> i mean it is just -- and it kind of feels like 22, where abortion was at a-- sort of low simmer in terms of goals. but keith was done in north carolina talking about early voting and she said that every democrat you talked to-- every person who said, i am voting in the democratic primary, we don't know, maybe they were, but that was the issue, and the vice president says it so well. i want to tell you that you can't and a pregnancy, nor can you start a family. you need someone's permission to do that. >> we are going to talk a lot more about abortion rights in the coming days. simone, sanders, thank you. jennifer pulmonary, we will let both of you get to bed, thank you for staying up with us. tim miller is having a red bull and a coffee. thank you for sticking around,

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welcome back to msnbc's special coverage of super tuesday, it's 1:00 a.m. on the east coast, 10:00 p.m. out west and the biggest remedy of this election year. millions of americans took to the polls today across eckstein states and one territory. at this hour, former president, donald trump has won 12 states, bringing his total number of delegates about 900. that puts in just a few hundred away from the magic number he needs to clinch the republican nomination. and on the democratic side, president joe biden cleaned up in all of the contests tonight, except in american samoa. i have a feeling he will be just fine.

he now has just over 1400 delegates. no major surprises tonight at the top of the ticket, except for maybe the one win by trump off the only remaining competitor, nikki haley, in the state of vermont. nbc news is saying that she is watching results with staff and allies, she gave no public remarks, no speech to her supporters and as of yet she has no scheduled event on the calendar. that is not a sign of momentum in a campaign i will lay out for you. so, at the end of the day, the country clearly remains on track for a rematch of 2020. the date delegate numbers tonight tell you that, of course with one major difference. donald trump is now facing 91 charges across four criminal cases, many of which are related to his attempt to steal the last election. while the big lie might still play well with this megabase, tonight's primary voters expose warning signs for trump and a general election warning signs that hail's campaign pointed out just moments ago, writing that

quote, we are honored to have received the support of millions of americans across the country today, including in vermont. today, in state after state, there remains a large block of republican primary voters were expressing deep concerns about donald trump. that is not the unity our party needs for success. addressing those voter's concerns will make the republican party and america better. now, clearly a large block of republican primary voters are expressing concerns about donald trump. the question heading into november for joe biden and democracy is how big is that block? joining our conversation? fresh meat, correspondent for vanity fair, and former communications director for ted kennedy and north carolina native, we will get to that, anthony pulley, host of people work podcast, tim miller, he had some coffee he's dill with us, and florida republican congressman, and former aide to the biden-harris campaign, so it is a full crew.

so, i will start with our fresh meat, as i like to say. david jolly, you were just talking about the haley campaign and what is going on there, what is going on there? and what do all these signs tell you about what they may be talking about? >> is a republican candidate, nikki haley should drop out of the race tomorrow, but she should have dropped out after new hampshire, she should have dropped out after south carolina, but clearly she is statistically illuminated, it might take the following tuesday in florida, ohio and so forth. as a republican candidate, she is done. she never actually was competitive against donald trump if you look at the delegate count. but as a surrogate for a coalition of delivering voters at a general election to joe biden, she should stay in the race for another two weeks, because that is essentially her contribution now, which is coalesce a coalition of people that say we have grave reservations about donald trump and here is what nikki haley is missing. if you are essentially coalescing this coalition and

think that donald trump is on it. well, losing to donald trump doesn't make him morfitt to office, so how does nikki haley turnaround and all of the sudden take i called him unstable, unhinged, i said i was a he was a sympathizer with putin and his age, but now going to support him? she probably will, because she does that. >> she did leave the door open on meet the press to this. >> so, her voters-- they will answer that question individually, and i think a lot of her voters are looking at biden, but at the moment for nikki haley, it is not to simply say i am not voting for donald trump, it is to say i am voting for joe biden, that is how you deliver the country forward, i doubt nikki haley whatever do that. >> all right, molly, you happen to know-- you happen to personally know the man, who won, he is a jp. in american samoa, an interesting detail about you,

we have been talking about nikki haley, exit polls, what is good for joe biden and not, what was your take away from tonight? tonight? >> two things, and jen pulmonary was talking about this after the break. these polls are wrong, we know these polls are wrong from the exit polls. >> which piece of it is most wrong? >> there is a real never trump contingent, and remember, trump is a primary candidate, he has only ever tried to appeal to republican primary voters, and he cannot marshall that group together the way he needs to, and remember, part of his trick in 2016 was he got these low- frequency voters out, these people who almost never voted, which is why the polling was so off, and you are just not seeing that same type of enthusiasm. the other thing i would say is like, there is still never trump. never trump continues, there is no never biden. right? that is not a thing. >> the uncommitted voters what you are referring to and that is sending an important message

about a change people want. let me ask you, and you can tell me anything you want about your takeaways, but one of the challenges, we were talking about with pulmonary, the 83% or 85%, depending on the pole you get. that is the percentage of president biden's voters from 2020 who is still with him. >> right. >> my view on this is that is not the same electorate as 2024, because the 2022 electorate turned out a lot of abortion-rights voters, they have to turn them out. what you do if you are the biden campaign? you are a communications expert among many other things, to try to appeal to that percentage of voters were with trump or maybe they just don't want to turn out? >> their bigoted biggest challenges one of complacency and amnesia, and we were talking about this earlier. the further you get away from a bad thing, the more you forget about how bad it really was, so the big question of you or joe biden's campaign tonight is the same as any incoming resident has. how do you rally people around

your vision for the party again? when i first met you it was on the kerry campaign, 2004, we were like four years old. but it was the same challenge that bush had, it is the same challenge that obama had, right? and the way they won those elections was that they framed it, not as a referendum on their presidencies, but as a contrast between two very distinct, very clear competing visions and ideologies and that is what joe biden has got to do. >> that is very good. now, tim, one of the challenges of running, there's a lot of challenges of running this income meant. one of the challenges is that people see you every day, and everything they don't like in their lives is something they blame on you, the buck stops with you. what you do if you are a president, about some of the issues that are on the minds of voters that he is held responsible. inflation, immigration, a couple of things that pop up in the polls. >> this is what is showing in some of the pole.

a lot of people are really just coming to terms with the fact that this is going to be biden and trump and they are upset about something. immigration, inflation, something else in their life, his age? i do think that they reconsider that as the head to head, and as the real choice comes into focus. i will say this though. if i am the biden campaign, i was a little spooked by the new york article. i am happy that molly thinks the polls are wrong, but if i am the biden team i would like them to be a little worried. i'm sorry, but they are losing and trying to overturn the election, so i would like them to just do a little bit of what they are doing. >> you can't have complacency. >> i'm a little worried. >> i mean, they are worried, i don't think they're worried, but they are on it. i was there interviewing someone in the white house this week and like, they are very-- this is a campaign that is very with it, they are very reactive, they are out there, and i think the white house, i don't think they are complacent. >> the pit is happening.

that is important. >> we are going to see it on thursday. >> there's a contrast that they are going to have to put forward to detail the very competing visions in the country and the very real threat that donald trump poses to america. >> this contrast, they have got to do it on things like immigration and he is starting to do it, but look, he wanted to solve the problem, he offered-- he laid offers to congress for republicans that don't want to solve the problem, it is trying to sell things versus crazy, but he has got to be out there doing it. >> here's my question here, we've all communicated a lot, including the congressman communicated a lot. it is hard to communicate they screwed this up and killed the deal, i mean, that is a hard thing to communicate. so, what you think, i mean, independent voters, people are concerned about this issue. >> on the border on the economy. i do think the biden administration needs to get control of these issues or it could hurt them in november,

but i think there is reason to. >> just to be clear, i think that means makeup some. >> own the message, don't accept the republican narrative, republicans always run onto medical been negative partisanship. i will do the ref i did at 4:00 for joe biden, i promise you it is morning in america again. tomorrow more people will go to work than ever before. homeownership remains at historic highs, the stock market an all-night all-time high. access to healthcare and education for the american family, inflation is coming down and real wages are going up, and on the issue most people seem concerned about at the border, it was joe biden who led a bipartisan coalition and republican to stop it. at the state of the union, from that for republicans and then what you do the republicans? you say stop standing in the way of growing the economy in solving the border issue. why don't you work for america instead of against us? the facts are there for the administration and they are doing very well in this message.

it comes down to framing the message in the way that you want the american voter to show up in november and think about, because right now republicans to have a little bit of control with the economic and border. >> but the last thing i said before you go is the last thing is the energy of the performance. unapologetic. >> yes. >> unapologetic where things stand in the economy. >> you hear him trying to get that message out there. and i do think i agree. and they should be worried and i do think they are. i mean, i think they know the gravity of this. this is do you want to have elections anymore elections. >> the last thing i will say here is that >> it is a big umbrella. >> yes, but this is the point you were making earlier, the boat that we are seeing in primary after primary, even going back to the 2018 midterm elections, the voters are not matching what these people are telling these exit-- these

pollsters, and i will tell you, i will always always, always take people casting ballots over what they tell pollsters. >> we've got a lot of thoughts. i know we will get our congressmen upcoming soon so we can talk to him about what he thinks about everything, we are probably going to have to take a break very soon as well. so, let's go to, i think-- okay, so let's keep talking then. oh, adrian elrod. i'm very sorry to forget that you were there. and you know, you and i-- >> don't worry, >> we have worked for 20 years. >> adrian elrod, tell us what you are worried about tonight, what makes you elated, and what makes you concerned? >> i think one of the biggest concerns is something-- not a concern of mine, but something for donald trump is something we've been talking about since

the iowa caucuses, which is that his coalition is not strong, it is not something that someone running as an incumbent should be. nikki haley, the latest numbers i saw, she got 43% of the vote in massachusetts, she won vermont, trump got 60% in iowa. we can look at all of these states and see that nikki haley, the anti-trump republican voter, whatever you want to call it, is alive and well. so, again, how is trump going to try to coalesce this? we know, and we have seen since 2016, when donald trump did-- if you want to call it that, didn't win the election, didn't become the president, every single election since then he has not done well, 2017, 2018, obviously 2020, president biden beat him. so, his coalition is not firm. he is doing a lot to attract the red meat of his base, but

not doing a lot to really expand that coalition and build a broader coalition to one of the generals. so obviously there is the protest vote, and the biden campaign knows very well i agree with what molly and anthony said, which is they are firmly aware that there is work to do, of course, they are taking this very seriously, but there are certainly fissures in the republican party and i think there will be a lot of voters going up for grabs, especially these haley voters, that the guy biden campaign will go after. >> i thought of you, adrian, because it is so early, and killer clinton was had by 10 or 11 points at this point in time, and unfortunately there was not a president clinton, just like there wasn't a president kerry, an important things to remember. everybody stay where you are, sit tight, joining me now is our democratic congressman of massachusetts, thank you for staying up late, i know you are

young, but thank you for staying up late, i appreciate it. let me start with this, this week really does feel like the launch of the general election. the president has the biggest speech of the year, the state of the union, we have just been talking about that coming up in two days. obviously tonight was a big night to make clear to the american public that donald trump is going to be the nominee, but let's go to thursday. what you want to hear from the president? what you think it is important for people in the country who are making a decision about who they are going to support to hear? >> thanks for having me on this evening. i want to hear two things from the president as he makes his case in the state of the union. the first is a clear exposition of how clear the economy is and how strong the trendline of lower-cost. americans still have a hangover, from the bout of inflation we experienced, but prices have stabilized, real wages are going up and the president needs to punch that home. the second thing is immigration.

he needs to make clear that he passed-- he supported a bipartisan senate border security bill. republicans wanted to campaign on the issue. he wants to say i am still here, still ready to work on this issue. he has got to turn the economy from issues that could be a liability in november 2 issues that could be tailwinds in november. >> you worked a lot of national security issues and been outspoken on a number of them. what you want to hear from the president on the israel-gaza-- the israel-hamas war? >> on israel, his continued support for the six week temporary cease-fire, they would get hostages home that would allow humanitarian aid into gaza, and that hamas needs to accept, for the good of the hostages and the good of the palestinian people. obviously on this issue of israel, i think that these results tonight speak to a broader pattern that both candidates, trump and biden, look to rally their bases in

the general election. i think the question here was, is israel the equivalent of the never trumper democratic side. something that will keep democrats from voting joe biden. for me, the clear vote is no. trump has a minority of the gop, but a persistent minority that will not support him. that does not exist on the democratic side of the aisle. the issue of israel, while there are strong opinions on that subject, is not going to keep people from supporting joe biden. democrats are unenrolled and that, i think is a massive, massive win for the president as he goes into a close election. >> we are talking about this a little bit, it is sending a clear message on a policy that is important and very much on the minds of many people in this country. but it doesn't mean that it is -- i am never going to vote for joe biden vote, which is very different as you just outlined from the other side. we did have a crew congressman in needham, which is in your

district. they talked to voters about a lot of issues. we heard a lot about the president's age. it didn't seem to bother folks. i want to play a little bit of that and get your thoughts on that. >> i think he has been a very good president and very much deserves it again. he slips on his words, but so do i. nothing to do with her brain. it has been a great four years, and of course i am plain frightened of the alternative. >> a lot of people have concerns about his age. >> are you concerned? >> a little bit. not that much. >> not that much? >> to me it is a no-brainer. he is a much better candidate. >> having had family members live in good, mental aptitude into their mid-90s. >> first of all, the people of

needham seem lovely, i would like to go visit there, we all what, we are all going to need him after this tomorrow. you know, i wanted to play that because one, it is clear-- that is the argument right? that joe biden is a better candidate, a better president than donald trump, but it is still an issue that popped in the polls. what you think that the president and his team should be doing to address that issue or to neutralize it? >> if november is a referendum on is joe biden too old to be president, that is not a good thing for joe biden. november needs to be a choice between two older men, one of whom has been a good president and one of whom is the worst president in american history, and whether republicans wants to move forward with a good president or back to chaos with a worst president. that is something molly has been making clear in stark terms to the american people. we will see groups, young voters for example, who have been more reluctant today to support the president. i think as we get closer to november that will crystallize and galvanize those voters.

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triples back even by mega standards, this guy has a lot of baggage. he called survivors of the parkland school shooting quote, media prosti-tots and little

that need to shut up. he said that muslims in america are invaders, and he has said that americans should find a corner outside somewhere to go to the bathroom. and that is just a sliver of the controversy that follows the candidate that north carolina republicans just nominated. the gang's all back with me. anthony colley, you have been waiting to talk about mark robinson, is it all day? the last few hours? >> know-- i've never seen anybody like him. >> you are from north carolina. he's from a lot of politics in the south, important for people to know. what is the deal with this guy? i don't know if you can explain that, but how will this help the democrats? >> first, let me start by saying, you know these vendors that sell these fake handbags on the street here in new york? this guy, this guy would be the knockoff brand. the knockoffs are always worse than the original. this is a guy, who came to power six years ago, gave one speech in front of the city council in

greensboro, north carolina. two years later he is lieutenant governor and in the way he is offending women and people as transgender people. i mean, you name it, he has offended you. the issue now is that he is about to run into a hurricane in the form of josh time, the democratic income and democratic nominee, josh stein knows how to win in north carolina, he has won their twice, each time donald trump was at the top of the ticket. so, to answer your question, this could not be a better gift for joe biden in north carolina. but two other things, if you are joe biden, you've got going for you. good policy makes for good politics and that is playing out on the ground in north carolina. this infrastructure law, $5.8 billion roads, bridges, airports in north carolina and i grew up in the rural part of

the state, david i know you are familiar as well. like, $2 billion is high-speed in internet infrastructure, it may not sound like a big thing in l.a., or new york city, but in rural america it is transformative. and so, the other thing about north carolina, and i'm glad the biden campaign has recognized this, they are already investing in the state, in this first ad that they did last fall, north carolina was on the attic by. i mean, he is already knowing the area in north carolina, so that will be the new agenda, mark my words. >> i don't want you not to have to share your thoughts on robinson. this guy is nominated in a swing states to be the governor, from a party you once were a big part of. >> well, it is the end of the world as we know it, we will go down drinking mimosas, you know? the answer on the street? did beyonci make the list? >> it is titanic. >> i'm sorry, it's hard to keep

track. yeah, he is rough. we have got a lot of rough candidates in the republican party, my former party. but this would take the cake. and i think he makes carry lake look pretty mainstream, frankly. i mean, the list of his comments on facebook and other social media forums, all of the social media forums, it not good. so the question is, can there be the reverse trump, you haven't seen a whole lot of that, and i think the question is, when you are going into charlotte, you are talking to black people, not the case this time, the former republicans, they don't-- they are worried about the state economy of this guy. businesses are leaving, you know, they are practical concerns. i don't imagine they are voting against him, because they care about rights, but they do, or jay-z, but practically, this guy is in charge? man, the jobs are starting in south virginia and carolina, so, the question is, can you

get that person to vote for him? and is that even worth the resource that was provided? i think that is an open question. i will call it a maybe. >> this is interesting, i want to bring in adrian, because adrian is another southerner. she is actually from arkansas. i know this because i heard her cheering for her team on the other side of the cubicle. very loudly. and she also knows a lot about a biden team strategy. north carolina is the state that biden came close to winning and didn't win. how do you think the biden team will play this? how will he use the nomination of an extreme nominee to help him in north carolina? >> i think this is a good win in many ways for joe biden tonight, because this is exactly to what everyone on the panel has been talking about tonight. this is the problem with the republican party as we know it

today. the mega republican party has coalesced around these grady crazy candidates. doug jones came in and won that alabama race, i think it was in 2016. they coalesce around these mega extremist and losing the generals. this will only help joe biden. again, if you are looking at these independent swing voters, once will ultimately decide who wins in november and they are looking at some of these extreme candidates, especially this guy in north carolina who will be the republican nominee, it really does start to cause a lot of people to think i don't know, maybe like you said, jen, earlier, like people-- not everyone is super excited about both biden and trump, but when you start looking at the extremist agenda of the republicans and who they are putting up, it only helps president biden, especially, again, among those key voters who don't necessarily make up the republican party base right now. but the key voters will it ultimately decide the general election. they are turned off by the extremism, and the crazy

comments this guy is making and that is the problem when you put out extremist. it is hard, you may do really well in a primary, but you will not do well in a general. >> the other thing that is interesting to me is the resources that have to be spent. there were some interesting stories the last couple of days just about how much money outside republican packs are spending to try to defeat the extremist nominees. we saw this said it didn't work back in 2022, that is money, money doesn't grow on trees, it is not a limited fundraising how much does that impact them? david jolley? >> it is huge, but it also brings in presidential money as well. i think there is zero surprise that he is the republican nominee. we see candidates like this. that is mainstream mag. but the question would be, we are going to find out is north carolina really a swing state and is it competitive? as to adrian's point, this helps remind north carolina voters that it should be competitive this is a gift to

joe biden and we can't overlook the issue of reproductive freedom, the ability to triangulate this candidate, with one of the leading issues that is motivating voters right now, reproductive redan, in what should be a swing state. ted probably agrees with this, north carolina has been a target for democrats, but a target that feels like it has been slipping away in the electoral college, joe biden needs to win north carolina. >> nikki win. everybody stay where you are, molly, i have lots of thoughts. right when we come back, adrian elrod, thank you as always, the rest of the panel sticking around. tennessee representative, justin jones joins the conversation after a quick rake. we will ask him what happens in his states tonight and what some of the data tells us about the state of the republican party. we will be right back.

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we are getting more evidence tonight that the big lie is alive and well in the republican party. according to nbc's exit polling, a majority of primary voters in the states of california, north carolina and virginia, say that they don't believe that president, joe biden, legitimate won the 2020 election. on top of that, most republican primary voters in those three states say that donald trump is fit to be president, even if he is convicted of a crime, which says a lot about trump supporters. joining me now is justin jones, a state representative in tennessee, where donald trump and joe biden both won their primaries tonight. one of my favorite people to talk to. thank you so much for staying

up with us late tonight. there is no question that trump supporters will forgive almost anything that he does. i just gave an example of that. does that kind of blind devotion concern you? when you consider what trump and his allies actually want to do? >> definitely, good evening, jen. i think this is the latest we have ever been on the news together. it is definitely concerning. i mean, as we see in my state, the republican party has become the party of authoritarianism, the party of mythology and lies and it is very concerning, the same mentality we saw in our state when we saw extremist expel us, and the members were told to fall in line or you will be punished, and this is the same thing in the republican party. it is this cultlike unfolding we should see. and they will get behind him and that is not only a criminal, but somebody who has incited violence and insurrection and racist fear

mongering. >> you have shown a very inspiring willingness against republican colleagues in tennessee taking extreme positions. what advice you have for fellow democrats who will be running competitive seats up and down the ballot this november who might be in red states. they might be in states where there are some extremist views. how should they be approaching these issues and difficult races? >> this is precisely the time for more clarity. what we saw in tennessee today was that about 20% of voters reject the republican primary voters rejected trump and voted for another candidate besides trump, specifically in suburban county, williamson county, so, this is a chance to really make a difference, especially to get these voters to see that we are the party, we are those who will fight for democracy and have moral clarity at this time of insanity and moral chaos.

we are the party will speak up to protect kids and not guns. i think this is the time when we have to be bold, we have to show that we are un-intimidated by this force and really want to destroy the institution we hold. i'm hoping that people see that this is really a choice between authoritarianism and violence and going toward a multiracial democracy, which is a direction we have been fighting arco to put all voices in our community. >> for the people who are young , or up late at night, because they lock like politics and they are watching right now in thinking this is just becoming more extreme by the day, trump is influencing people across the country, you been working to turn the tide on gun violence, on a range of issues, is it going to take time? is it more activism? what is it going to take? what hope can people have out there? >> i think the hope is this is a time that should not harden us, but a tight budget operas clarity. what is at stake is what we

love it and so, you know, in times like these we must use every tool at our disposal to protect our democracy, to fight for the future that we deserve. what gives me hope is, i was in florida this weekend, i have traveled across my state talking to young people who are offering a vision of this vision and what it can be and what it ought to be. the one thing i know for sure, jen is that the republican party has lost the young boat, the rising generation, they have no chance of winning them. you know? do you think trump can win young black voters, i think that is delusional. they have no chance, they have lost our generation. so, what we have to do is uplift and love people. they have this long-term ambition, they have been the help of this nation and when you look at the 1960s in nashville today, you know, it is our time to speak up and i think young people are important to have at the table, not just in symbolic positions, but to have a table to offer a

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