tv Decision 2024 Primaries Caucuses MSNBC March 5, 2024 11:00pm-12:00am PST
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call. obviously there is a ton of people in this primary. why are we showing the pictures of adam schiff and is that relevant or is that just too early to call, that is a better representation. thank you, adam schiff, steve garvey, other candidates, as well. we were all competing in the california upper left of your screen, it was not ft of your representational as to the way this is too early to call. i just wanted to make sure we clarified that. that i clarify that right?
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>> important clarification. >> i thought we're getting a clever occasion, as well. we were not. thank you. >> no, i am done. that is all i can do. right now >> we since had the news that nikki haley has won the republican presidential primary. on the very very outset of this republican presidential primary says looking at the demographics and the kinds of voters that were seemed to be attracted to each of this candidates, it looks like nikki haley can win d.c., maybe vermont. said exactly those things and we have now seen nikki haley win d.c. and vermont but no additional contests because that make you feel about this overall debate that we have been having her onset tonight that you have been hearing so much from the media recently about nikki haley's raison d'jtre? >> i guess there is a external question about why she is doing it. i can't speak to the latter, right? i think the point is that you run into you can't anymore. the thing that makes her
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different than most is that i think she should continue to fund her campaign because of the intensity here, i think this is actually sort of the intensity for question is actually a really useful analytical one to think about with respect to donald trump and it goes like this. there are people out there and there is lots of them who will crawl over broken glass to vote against donald trump. you throw him on any ballot, they will hitchhike across america to do it. they will forward a river, they will climb a mountain, they will go anywhere to vote against this man. some of those people are traditionally liberals, they have been lifelong democrats. some of those people used to call themselves republicans and some of them are the most invested in stopping him are people that even rather
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recently call themselves republicans. i know a lot of them, we all know a lot of them. >> michael still still calls himself. >> so you got this, so what we have seen and i think this actually kind of cascades out. this is true for a lot of the people in the larger centerleft pro-democracy majority, we see it in special election after special election when people will show up because they view him as such a threat and because they view it the republican party under his threat. nikki haley occupies an interesting position right now as a sort of, she is receiving that energy. it is being channeled into her in a way that breaks the normal rules for how this goes. the normal rules for how this goes is if once it becomes it is clear you can't win, all the energy goes away and the donors dry up and you got nothing to do. you don't get to make the choice to keep running. there is nothing to do, known as funding your campaign. >> oh yeah, you can't put gas. >> but what we're seeing with her and one that thing's that steve has been talking about is keeping these analytical categories clear in our head, there is this almost unprecedented group of americans that are just so
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opposed to donald trump and what he represents to the future of the country, they produced this kind of incredible heat of activity. that is right now sort of finding its locus in her. i think that because necessarily who she is or because of what she represents in this context i think that makes it possible for her to sort of defy the normal gravity. >> i talked to a lot of those donors and really, they don't want to officially turn the light off and say this is the party of trump. right, you can give an example after example and they still want to desperately believe their republican party, even if there is ultimately hope for it, and she is still young and it is this, there is all this optimism and money behind her right now. and so it is why she is staying in. but if you look at donald trump, state after state he is losing 30% of the vote to her. that is a really big number, even if she is not getting the delegates, this is not a party united. whereas, yes, people are getting worried about the
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uncommitted voters for joe biden. they are just uncommitted. they are raising a flashlight to joe biden. think about it, listen to michigan. that group of uncommitted. they are not saying never biting, they are saying listen to us if you want our vote in november. >> trying to change his post. >> and i say one thing, though. is not that nikki haley is just criticizing donald trump if she is criticizing joe biden if not more. the only thing that matters in terms of's stopping donald trump is whether nikki haley can get some votes to joe biden. nikki haley is not going to stop donald trump that nikki haley is out there trashing joe biden. >> we are talking about the utility of her campaign, right? why is she in it? if she is in there to truly stop the republicans, stop donald trump, if that is what we can assume, her work is to stop donald trump. for her own success. >> okay, fine, if she is in it for her own success, does she think that the criticism she is
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leveling at donald trump is sufficient to actually have the republican party turn the page if he loses in november? >> absolutely not. >> but he has taken over the party. and i think if you really are looking at the long- term or medium-term prospects for the party, you have someone in their who is really going to be challenging. >> one more thing just from the perspective of how you are reading this, the biting campaign what calculations you want to make it is striking to me that what they have said from even last, i guess it was after south carolina were like, they want a forced choice between joe biden and donald trump. they very much yeah, the biting campaign wanted to be a worse choice between two individuals, donald trump and joe biden, talk about nikki haley, she doesn't exist in the world of statements they make. sure as heck not going to talk about anybody else that is floating around the ballot in and various other states. two them the key to them getting back to 50+1 and re- created the majority coalition is that the starkly binary choice.
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it is a forced choice between two men, the two men that we kept putting up on our screen tonight and that is their talk elation of a key part. >> do you think for the concert that you just described a moment ago, do you think that nikki haley being a sink for some of that anti-trump heat is hurting the biting campaign because it means that republicans who were repulsed by trump and there are some. are not yet, and maybe never will move their energies to donald trump, to biting, which is the only way to actually stop donald trump. >> i think for a lot of that depends on what develops. like i really do think it matters what she does. because i think at the end of all this, after being that sort of heat sink and after getting the people who are coming out across the country going, why are they coming out of here? not because they are long time nikki haley stands. so the question becomes what you do with that energy that you have got and what your reflect back when you make
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whatever decision you make or when you go up to the convention with your delegates make your stand? the question is, what is the messaging about that forced choice? again, that first choice is going to be that forced choice barring some clear exactly what she's going to do. go to the yellowstone club in montana, the most expensive ski resorts in the country and give a speech for millions of dollars. please her minimum price of the ticket to entry as she has got to keep criticizing biden. it is a pragmatic thing, she is a republican and sober her minimum price of entry is to keep criticism of biden and i don't think the biden people necessarily care. >> materially and commercially. >> more than delaying. please see was asked by a very young kristen welker the sunday which she endorsed trump? which she was on stage to do as the republican primary candidate and didn't really answer. >> and that, the answer to that
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question, how nikki haley goes down in history. whether or not she helps or hurts the republic. >> she joins three corporate boards, she is going to say i am not allowed to comment. >> while we have been talking and having this conversation along these lines. i believe we have just got in a whole ton of a vote in california, is that right, steve? the reason we're looking at california is that because of the presidential race that has project and winners but it is really because of that california democratic, excuse me, that california u.s. senate primary. >> exactly. i just want to show this because we did cause off the exit poll. we do have boats coming in that are consistent in this republican primary with the exit polls that is what it was showing that is why it was called without any votes. you can see what is coming and now is confirming that. what is happening in california, i will call the senate race. what is happening in california, those votes can be
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reported out is have all that early voting, all that vote by mail in california, these counties can begin, jacob was to showing you, they can press a button when these polls closed and they can get a whole bunch of boat that was cast before election day. they get it tabulated and reported out right away so you are going to see in county after county, this hour they are going to start lighting up and what you will see, orange county, we have already got, in one fell swoop, have the vote in orange county. big, massive southern california county here, orange county, we have got half the vote in so here is an interesting, katie porter, of course, from this region of the state. you can see if we can, there you go, we can go down and you can see representing northern california and the house, this is not her natural political territory but garvey, the main most prominent republican candidate in this race. there is an extent there is a republican vote out there. this suggests he will be gobbling up that republican vote here and you can see adam schiff running in second here in orange county. katie porter about three points behind him and everybody else here well into single digits.
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that is half the vote in orange county. sonoma county, up north, also coming in here. very democratic county here adam schiff with 35. about a third of the vote in sonoma county comes in right away shift jumps to a big lead reporter in second and you can see garvey here, the republican candidate just behind katie porter. again, closer to barbara lee's little told her. and she still is running under 10% here. very discouraging early sign for barbara lee. getting into the sierras here. and again, about half the vote coming in, some big snow here in the last couple of days. at about half the vote coming in, steve garvey for first place here, corralling that republican vote, chef running behind him and look at the gap there to katie porter and again, look at the gap much further back to barbara lee. you start to add this together, just these three counties, more than 5% of the statewide vote
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now has been recorded. again i expect these counties to be continually lighting up in the next several minutes but while we are in a bit of a lull here for a second i will explain that from this point forward and a lot of these candidates, we will go back to orange county, we need a huge massive chunk. the vote counting after this first hour or so, a lot of these counties gets very slow. some of them you will get more and get a considerable amount overnight. a lot of them, we are talking about not getting a significant chunk tomorrow, two days from now. a week from now. if you remember back in 2020 2022 midterms, control of the house of representatives was actually called by a california district, it was the 27th district which is in the outer reaches of los angeles county. that was called for republican mike garcia and gave republicans their 218 seat. one was that race called? it was called eight days after election day and there was still other california districts at that point that were uncalled for so i think the thing to keep in mind here
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with california and the results that come in the next hour, which will be very fascinating, it takes something fairly decisive and the returns for there to be a call tonight because there is so much that will come in later. so again, garvey as the lone republican, is he building a big big number here, a big pad over third-place. will that allow this, will be clear in the next hour or so, that garvey would be in one of those two spots going into the general election and based on what schiff is doing in the three counties so far that we have seen here. again, a bit of a geographic range here, as well, in terms of what is coming in here. what schiff, if this continues in other counties, big, but would there be enough there potentially for shift to do a video to say hey, schiff and garvey, we are not sure of the order but there is a big enough gap to third that it would be those two that is not clear tonight it might be a while before that is clear. but again, there it is. about 6% from those three counties and patting a little
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bit here because i was expecting more to light up at i do think within the next few minutes we will have a lot more by the end of this hour. we'll have a ton of colored in counties. >> steve, stand by with that. we are going to go live to somebody whose vote processing center in california. i have a feeling those votes come in while we are talking to maddie, we will come back to you and get an update. joining us now from a belt processing center in los angeles county, gotti schwartz. what are you seeing? we are just talking with steve about the speed of the vote, the expectation in terms of what we're going to see returned? >> yeah, a lot closer to the source but we don't really have very many answers. actually have some questions ourselves so let me just paint the picture of where we are right now. this is the nerve center for the largest county in the country. this is los angeles county. the brand-new bunker ballot processing center. used to be an old fry's electronics warehouse and now you can see this massive warehouse where they process
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all of those ballots. we understand 5.7 million registered voters in l.a. county, all of them are the ones with mailing addresses got their ballots mailed to them and now it is a matter of seeing how many of those ballots came back today or how many people voted when those ballots start coming in, all the different polling sets will be coming in through those doors escorted by all across the county from different sheriffs departments. there has been a helicopter that will be landing in the parking lot and a little bit. when it comes to the numbers, we know there have been a lot of ballots that have already been tabulated. last election cycle, something like 80% of the ballots came back for early voting this thing is making us question what is going on here. just in terms of when the refresh button is going to be pressed we are looking at the tally system. we know at 8:00 it looks like there was some sort of tabulation event there is a
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number up there, 1.6 million. there is the number of ballots up there, 672,000. we don't know what those correspond to. we have had somebody to come over and explain it to us and so far we are waiting for a supervisor to come because the first person couldn't really explain it but what you do know is this is the your lock center. this is a place that is not connected to the internet. this is where all that tabulation happens. there is no cell phones allowed in the people that go in here are cleared through an extra secure set of doors over there and everyone is standing on that side of the wall as this is somewhat the calm before the storm, we are waiting for those ballots to come in all the ballots have came in from same- day voting here in los angeles this is where they will be sorted, they will be extracted and the signatures will be compared over there and then those will go into the tabulation room. the tabulation room, as we understand it, has already tabulated possibly the bulk of the votes you will see out of
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los angeles county because most of the ballots have been sent out, mailed in, and many of them have been returned mail in so you know earlier in the day, something like 1 million that have already come back and now we are just hoping for that refresh button, hoping for that tabulation button to be pressed so that we can get some solid answers. we may get them a few seconds before steve mackey but i would not be surprised if he has some sort of crystal ball that goes straight over here. >> let me ask you, you mentioned that you are expecting some of the ballots to arrive by helicopter. i just asked why you're expecting that? who gets the privilege? catalina island, oh, of course. rowing it across. >> exactly, exactly. yes, and apparently that is the place to be on election coverage so if you guys want to send me to catalina island for the next. >> a wind mixer. >> that is very very thoughtful of you, very generous. gotti schwartz for us. in southern california we are getting or vote in california.
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i told you we would be back with news from california. and here is news from california. this is a big deal. this is the united states senate primary in california. i am not describing which party's primary this is because parties aren't, primaries aren't done by party in california anymore. no matter what party you are in, if you place as one of the top two candidates in the same primary, which everybody runs, the top two candidates will advance to the general election in november. right now, decision desk tells us that one of the two
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candidates that will advance to the general election in november will be adam schiff, current california congressman, former chair of the intelligence committee, major, major player in trump impeachment and investigations. adam schiff will be in the general election. the question is who will be there with him? by which i mean against him? congressman schiff has spent campaign funds and energy and attention trying effectively to elevate republican steve garvey, calculating that there is no chance any republican can win in a state wide election in california. he would rather run against a republican who he has got much stronger differences with dan run against fellow democrats like well-known democratic members of congress, katie porter and barbara lee who are also in the race. the question is between garvey, porter, and lee, which one of them is going to be joining congressman schiff this fall in the general? steve, we are
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absorbing that call that is interesting and important in the california senate primary. can you tell us anything about how we have learned that or what else we should be watching for in terms of who is going to get the number two slot? we like i said it comes in pretty fast and furious this hour in california. what is clear, just look at the margin here for schiff, 17% of the statewide vote is now counted in california. look at that, shift, almost 80 thousand votes ahead of steve garvey but look at the distance between schiff and katie porter. steve garvey and katie porter, she is sitting there, 189,000 votes. that is about 250,000 votes that porter now why will lags behind. there is barbara lee at 78,000. she is about 350,000 votes. it is right now the geographic breath of that strong shift performance because california is such a big state, very distinct regions. but still here in southern california we showed you orange county to start the night, this
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is where katie, not sure if this is katie porter how much of her district is here but her district is based in orange county and there is schiff leading her there even, which should be katie porter's best part of the state. reading on los angeles county, as you just heard from that report from thai. a huge chunk of vote but just start working her way up the coast here. san luis obispo county, more than half the vote, schiff leads there. look how far back it is to katie porter. go into the central valley, more republican friendly area but you will seek lady distance to katie porter. let's go to fresno county. garvey leading, back to katie porter just working it all the way through the central valley here and that pattern remains. let's work our way to the bay area here. contra costa county, 30% of the vote is in. shift running in first, very democratic area but garvey, republican boat there is, far back to katie porter. so a southern california based congressman adam schiff, now we
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are up into the bay area, there is a bay area congresswoman in this race, barbara lee. lagging far behind here, solano county, 40% shift, 12%, 40. there is barbara lee at 10%. waiting here, very small, we don't have anything from san francisco county. that will be big in this area. we don't have san mateo county here if you zoom in just across from san francisco. marin county. that scale area here, schiff, big advantage. far back to katie porter, though, again. you see this everywhere, when you go in to the sierra nevada's here. you take a look at placer county. more republican friendly area here but look at the distance between schiff and katie porter. el dorado county, same story everywhere here and even get to the very republican areas in the far north and you expect garvey to do very well here but even there, schiff is distant but shift second and you don't see the other two, craddick
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members of congress. now a quarter of the vote is in statewide. this leaves that shift, sorry >> i got to interrupt you, steve, sorry. nbc news has now made a projection to who the second candidates will be in the november general election against adam schiff and it will be republican steve garvey, the baseball player. hasn't done much of a campaign as all, was elevated within the republican field such as it is by adam schiff, effectively singling him out as a candidate he most wanted to run against in the november election. nbc now projects that the two top finishing candidates in the nonpartisan u.s. senate primary california will be indeed adam schiff and steve garvey. just a remarkable result there. steve, i don't want to let you go too far away from what you were just doing and i have a special request if you don't mind. in the bay area, just east of the san francisco bay, alameda county, that is the county where barbara lee is considered to be her home base
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i was wondering if she was coming in second there to adam schiff. alameda county congresswoman and beloved at home. again, part of the tragedy here for democrats is to have powerhouse well-known veteran effective members of congress like barbara lee and katie porter not going to be on the ballot for the senate seat but out of the house of representatives, having to give up their house seats in order to make this run. >> and this is so true in new york, as well. you get these traffic jams in the progression of democratic careers because you have got states where when you get elected to statewide office you stick around for a while. and there is not a lot of opportunities for opening so people really jump when they happen. >> is the description that we have been getting tonight about what adam schiff did here, picking sort of who he considers, i think, to be an unelectable republican candidate
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to elevate during the primary, to try to get that republican into the general election. that strategy sounds familiar to you, it is because you know the former democratic senator for missouri, claire mccaskill who famously pulled off that caper in one of her own successful bids for the united states senate hershey joins us now with a long obama white house communications director both of these women are cohosts of the msnbc podcast, how to win 2024. and they both know how. claire, i have to go to you first. you have been invoked, i imagine that you are cognizant here of this game that is at work it appears to be paying off tonight in california for congressman adam schiff. >> what he did was just plain smart. there is nothing evil about it. he knew that garvey was the preferred opponent, for one thing it is no fun to attack the democrats. a little bit different than my situation. in fact, it is relatively risk free for the values, i think, that all three of the democratic candidates in this race share because i think now
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we can safely call him just about almost senator adam schiff . and that is a good thing for california and it is a good thing for america. the sad thing is you guys have mentioned, we had three good candidates here. three great members of congress and that is always tough plea i want to know what the future is for katie porter and barbara lee because they are both such good communicators, in particular, about democratic values. two totally different types of candidates and campaigners and politicians and legislators and lawmakers and leaders. very different in their personality and presentation but both, i would say, remarkably effective communicators especially on core values issue so i hope that katie porter and barbara lee are around for a long time. let me go to you in terms of both this california senate results that you are just getting right now but also what you been watching over the course of the night. >> that is a very big win by
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adam schiff, it happened quickly. it is interesting thing, this will be the first time in over 30 years that a white man will represent. kamala harris, kevin de leon now. so that is a big deal. and then over all, when i look at the exit polls and particularly in california, virginia, north carolina, around 35, 36% of public and say they are not willing to guarantee that they will support the republican nominee. that tells me trump still has a problem consolidating his of word. it is interesting because let's assume the new york times paul is correct. that is says trump is 93% of the vote that he had in 2020. yet still people voting somewhere between 20 and 40% of people voting in the republican primary were not voting for him. so who were those people? maybe their independence but they are people that are open to voting for joe biden.
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so i feel, coming out of this primary season feeling more optimistic about biden's room to grow and trump hitting some kind of ceiling. >> jen, i have to give you the opportunity to say california senator alex padilla. ran for it but didn't get it. >> thank you, thank you so much, senator alex padilla. >> i wanted to give you a chance. >> so nice of you. please let me ask you about the point that jim was just making there in terms of the overall strength of the general election candidates. we are learning about from the primaries. >> hey, listen, the thing i take away from today is looking at the margins and deciding which party is really more united. and all the states that voted today, if you look at the results, we know right now, there was only two states where biden won by les than 70 points . okay? everything else, 80%, 82%. how many states donald trump won
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by more than 70 points, one, alabama so there are more people voting against donald trump then are even thinking about voting against joe biden. i get the uncommitted is sending a message and i think it is one that needs to be heard. it is important for our party but really there is a republican war going on behind the scenes. it is playing out in primaries all over the country tonight, where big money is going and against maga candidates. but they have a problem in the republican party in terms of how unified they are. i don't think we have near as far to go. please claire, let me just ask you to engage with something that has been happening here on set. we have had some hot criticism of nikki haley staying in the race from alex wagner who is sitting here with me. saying, highlighting the fact that haley and game is, if she thinks she is going to win that
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is not going to happen, if she think she is doing any damage there is no evidence of that. and that she continues to talk smack about joe biden in a way that potentially suppresses enthusiasm for biden or possibly sort of serves as a sort of heatsink for democrats that might otherwise put in by this camper can put himself uselessly in haley's camp as long as she is still in the race, what you think about that? >> listen, she is my beloved alex wagner, too. let me just say i don't big it really matters. i think it matters for nikki haley's future. what does she want to do? does she want to make a bunch of money? like stephanie was talking about giving speeches and being on corporate boards. does she see some way forward in this republican party? no way, she is done it is over. she makes mike pence look popular. so i don't think haley has a future in this republican party. and i don't incur talking trash about biden necessarily hurts biden. but i think she is going to look silly if she comes out
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and endorses trump she is going to look pretty phony. not good for her political legacy if she comes out after saying the things she said and endorses him. >> what do you think along the same line? please i think she is helpful, i think it is very helpful for voters, independents, republicans, democrats to hear a republican make criticisms of donald trump and even though she also says bad things about biden i think it is worth it. i think that is a valuable thing. and if she endorses trump in the end, she is just going to look, she is going to look like she has no integrity. i really don't think that is going to hurt biden with what we need or effective arguments against trump that she is making those. please she is making those from somebody from the perspective that people think is a credible republican perspective in lots of ways and you can't manufacture that that has to come from an authentic republican place. claire mccaskill, our dear friends, great to have you with us tonight, thank you. much more to come on this
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clapper just got a statement from the nikki haley campaign, a campaign spokesperson says, quote, we are honored to have received the support of millions of americans across the country today, including in vermont, where nikki became the first republican woman to win two presidential primary contest unity is not achieved by simply claiming we are united, today in state after state that remains a large lock of republican primary voters were expressing deep concerns about donald trump that is not the unity our party needs for six test. addressing those voters concerns will make the republican party and america better. the statement tonight from nikki haley's campaign. steve korn jackie, today, i
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quote, in state after state there remains a large block of republican primary voters were expressing deep concerns about donald trump. is that thesis from the nikki haley campaign borne out in the voting data, as you see it? >> well, it is how you interp it but i would look at it this way. we gave you a number a little while ago. we have been keeping a running tab of the cumulative across all remedies and caucuses, what is the cumulative vote share for nikki haley and donald trump, remembering they're talking point along these last few weeks she has been calling it the 40%. she has been using that term at rallies, reference to her new hampshire and south carolina showing. i want to show you some of the numbers we are seeing tonight because they are substantially below that. i think texas is the most glaring example here. she is rarely cracking 18% in texas statewide tonight and that is with 80% of the vote here.
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north of oklahoma, trump's order for 80%. over at arkansas, there is a rule in our, the participation trophy delegate, they called it 20%, you get one delegate. the rest go to the other, you get one. she is short of 20%, the participation trophy delegate. you go to tennessee, donald trump is approaching 80% here. she did win vermont, a very small number of votes in vermont in terms of delegates right now. she is, you can see the total here, trump is on pace to finish nearly 1100 delegates. right now we add all the votes together, she is getting 20 percent tonight. i would note, that number has been coming down as we have been monitoring in texas we still have votes to come. continue to drag that number down she is a little south of it in california, as well. so that might be the ceiling for how well she ends up doing tonight just in terms of the percentage. again, 40, 43% is what she has been campaigning on. the other thing, i do not have any insight, obviously, into what she is thinking of what
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motivates her and what decision she may make here but if there is a scenario where she did it does end up exiting this race, one thing to keep in mind is, given the delegate trajectory for donald trump right here, again, he is approaching 1100 delegates tonight. he is now on course, he is going to get enough delegates tonight where he is realistically on course to crack that 1200 15 number needed to officially win the nomination and next week's contest on march 12th. so as a question for haley's campaign, do you want to be in the race getting 15, 20, 22% of the vote as donald trump officially crosses that number, is there some scenario we want issue is like that, give a speech like that and visually what they say about the strategy for vietnam, declare victory and get out please thank you very very much. clarifying, as always, much appreciated. what steve said there is with the delegate hall tonight and with the way things are going it looks like trump is on track to clinch the nomination.
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on the republican side within the next week, by march 12th. it trump coming close to running the table on the contest thus far, although d.c. and vermont, don't forget. we are inching closer to a general election rematch between donald trump and joe biden in terms of fundraising, the democrats currently have a financial advantage over the republicans. joe biden started the year with $46 million on hand compared to trump's 33 million. here is some news, though. perhaps the ballots will not last for long check out the skin from the new york times today. donald trump seeking cash and you should elon musk. new york times reporting that donald trump met with elon musk and also if you have a wealthy republican donors thing a cash fusion to support his campaign, that was reportedly over the weekend. according to the times, trump is now hoping to
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have a one-on-one meeting just with elon musk who reportedly has been saying that he believes that he is, quote, essential to defeat joe biden in november. elon musk, of course, is one of the two richest people on earth, he could single-handedly erase any financial advantage democrats have in november. if he decided to, if you wanted to play it that way. what would that mean for what happened to the world of the republic? >> i am sure that money is not to pay donald trump's legal bills >> it can, and we all sit here, oh my gosh, donald trump owes 83 million dollars on e. jean carroll. he doesn't have that money, guess what? whether it is elon musk or all sorts of other supremely wealthy horses out there, they would be happy to pay the bills for someone who could be the next president >> the president of the united states. >> he hates the fcc and how
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much would you like it if owned the president? >> let's go back to citizens united and mitch mcconnell and john roberts, who have crafted universe in which we operate, who have brought us to a position of the richest billionaire of like in 1890s golden age cartoon in a newspaper. and the corrupt president desperately in need of cash have a meeting and what is under the explicit or wide quit pro quote with that interaction? tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars of government contracts depending on for spacex, he has unbelievable amounts of interest in regulatory affairs rick is currently suing to get rid of the national labor relations act of the new deal to destroy unions across the board and render them unconstitutional. think about the sheer roi of a investment and it so shocks the conscience this would even be possible.
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it is only possible, again, because of mitch mcconnell, because of the mag records that you can even be in a position where you have such an obviously corrupt set up. >> chris, tesla is the only car manufacturer that is allowed to sell directly to consumer. because one of the biggest, strongest lobbies in this country is car dealership owners . so the fact that he could act donald trump, the fact that he could pay his bills and be able to push donald trump around, giddyup. >> by the way, he control starlink, which is critical to the defense of ukraine into the u.s. defense establishment. this guy could be the jpmorgan of the current era that he would literally own a desperate, fearful man. i sat and watched several minutes of donald trump speaking from what looked like his basement the other day. donald trump is afraid of going to prison, he is afraid of losing everything that he built in new york, that his dad built
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and he borrowed money from the russians or whatever but he could be saved right now. all he needs is a billionaire like elon musk who wants to own him. and then he gets to be president and he gets to dismiss all his cases. he is basically, that is his mbs. >> it also does assume that trump is inevitably going to win once he has belonged money behind him and i believe that politics is a colossal problem. >> he is, yes, he is reliant on government contracts and you know, if joe biden is re- elected and elon musk is banking rolled donald trump, tesla wasn't invited to the last ev summit at the white house. click you want be invited in 2025 >> what to do with that money is to fund ground campaigns, mail campaigns, et cetera. they are already going to say they're not going to do mail most of that money will go to
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donald trump's personal financial issues, not to the campaign >> i actually find it very useful in clarifying it is so much of the way that donald trump talks on politics talk about our day sort of like cultural signifiers, these points of intense ideological rhetorical, graphic conflict in the country and coming up on the border. the sort of marxist that run the democratic arctic, they are trying to destroy the future. when in power, what republican governments do is do policy that helps people on the bus, they cut corporate taxes, the only policy bill that they passed the last time around. they didn't build a wall. they had -- >> didn't make it people easy adjudicated mentally ill to buy firearms clear to me there is his whole watching elon musk self radicalized online every day, his brain gets, sheer and mushy or. there is part of this
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radicalization like social media and his own ego but again, when you look at what governments do, local governments, governments, when republican and conservative governments, they deregulate and they cut taxes for rich people so there's a very clarifying on elon musk and donald trump together in the same room. because a customer a lot of the full populism and culture war nonsense that fundamentally the material interests that are being pursued. >> that is also why people often mostly say republicans are good for the economy because in terms of deregulation, in terms of business, that set will say a republican is a safer bet for me for us. that is where that narrative comes from we have even heard people say if it is good for my boss maybe it will trickle down to me. it won't >> by the way, what makes it perfect, chefs kiss, perfect, that the supreme court sits atop it all, trying to ensure the longevity of republican government because that is how they get their wonderful
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vacations and will make sure that donald trump comes in so that those two drifters can retire and have thirty-year versions of themselves to replicate the graft. >> in terms of the whole logic around their being legal policing of this, you shouldn't ideally, in a democracy, have a multibillionaire that is able to come in and say, here are multiple billions of dollars to cover all of your legal fees, to cover your campaigning fees and to set you up in a way that you can't lose how do we policing? we police it by shame. because. money is age and therefore it is transparency. and so if all we can do is force disclosure of the funding, that will take care of itself is people will be repulsed by this. clear racial, shamelessness is donald trump superpower. remember saying this guy doesn't pay his taxes. he said you're right, i don't, because i'm smart.
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not to good democrats, when joe biden was running he said i'm on to close so many loopholes so it won't just be shameful republicans to violate the monuments and so on and so forth and they haven't and if we end up with donald trump again, it is no holds barred. come on over. >> i'm going to say that there is this idea of when you study countries that used to be democracies that slid out of democracy and became authoritarian instead one of the things that everybody who studies that tells you that the institutions cannot defend themselves. and we have set up our institutions so that their defense against authoritarian rule and anti-, tactics his shame and is transparency and is people knowing the information and being able to react accordingly if that is all we have got, then our institutions will not defend our democracy if we let it play out along these lines are democracy will fall and will become the country that does not have elections anymore. though we are in a situation
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right now where we can't count on the existing structures to just do this on autopilot. there is only one way out of this. you have to pick one that you have to pick donald trump we have to pick joe biden. there isn't a magic other answer there is no institution. there is no criminal prosecution there is no institution. there is no magic in the media. there is people having to figure out which one of those and it is, and what it means for the future and then going out and doing the work to make sure that that candidate wins. not only voting is literally doing what you can to make one of those two candidates win and if you're not working for one of them you are, by default. >> by the way. with the biden campaign folks said their sending out two words tonight. cementing reality and what you just said is what they are saying they are saying what tonight was a about was cementing the reality that it is biden or trump and what joe
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biden was able to do is to clear 80% in almost all of these races submitted the reality, they're hoping that emotionally they consider and that reality for their voters because they are voters of the one most fantasy prone. more so than republicans. republican are more disconnected from each other there actually having a fight that is bigger than the fight inside the democratic party. you just have some democrats would love for donald trump, or joe biden. >> hoping republicans will take care of this problem on their own side. our coverage continues in just a moment, we will be joined by colin alright who won the democratic nomination for senate in texas who will run against ted cruz this fall. lots to come here, stay with us.
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