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"chris jansing reports." at this hour, all the president's men and geena davis, too. a brand new look at president biden's star-studded prep for the state of the union. a republican response on reproductive rights, an alabama senator's plans to rebut biden tonight. on which party stand with parents and families. after the trial, what a jury member says sealed the deal for that guilty verdict in the are the rust shooting as alec baldwin waits for his day in court. the crisis in haiti. the prime minister struggling to return to the country and hold on to power as violent gangs take over. will the u.s. get involved? our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with the night of nights in the world of politics. nbc's kelly o'donnell is reporting from the white house. kelly, what can you tell us about how the president is preparing for tonight's big night? >> well, there are revisions and

revisions, going over the speech with a careful pen to mark those moments for changes, and then also getting ready for the big impact of this. certainly advisers that i've talked to have described this as one of the biggest nights for the president. in effect, it is an opportunity to kick off his reelection campaign. get a chance to hear him at length. not just little clips that are put out on the internet. some of those by his rivals or opponents that would be an unflattering portrait of the president. here, a chance for him to talk about what he's done, why he came to office in the first place, why voters chose him in 2020 and what work is left to do, on big important issues, democracy to financial concerns people have at home, like reducing costs on various things. freedoms, like reproductive rights and other concerns that they believe have wide, broad

appeal, not only for democrats but independents and even some republicans. that's sort of the big theme of the night. and the president has been preparing and trying to set the stage for the stakes of this evening, and here's a little bit of how he is using social media to do that. >> i never spoke to so many all at one time. a big speech coming up the state of the union, any advice you have for me delivering my speech? >> well, sir, in my capacity as president, all i had to deal with was a meteor. my advice is just keep telling us how you're working for us. and building hope. >> tell them that you exist for them. >> there's no crying in politics. >> well, what i hope is my politics doesn't make anybody else cry. >> love and compassion as a leader are strengths, they're not weaknesses and are key to your character. >> there's nothing that we can't

do when we do it together. >> so a constellation of actors who have played the president, interacting with the current president, and this is one of the ways we will see the white house try to reach americans in places where they're not necessarily looking for news content, but they want a moment to be introduced to the president in a different way. they view the speech tonight as a chance for the president to have a long conversation with the american public, for them to assess things like his age and fitness, by watching him in action. all of that trying to go sort of the old school route of the important constitutional base of what this speech means, being in the modern moment and knowing the campaign is fully underway. chris. >> kelly o'donnell, thanks for that. alabama has signed new protections for ivf into law now. legislation that could factor into tonight's republican response to the state of the union. nbc's dasha burns is covering this for us. so the republican response will

be delivered by alabama's junior senator, katie brit. tell us about her. >> reporter: according to a source familiar with the plans, the senator will be leaning into the argument that the republican party is the party of parents and children. they hope who she is, a 42-year-old mom of school-aged children will be relatable in that way. a lot of folks have pointed to the age gap between her and the president. the team is hoping to emphasize the relatability gap. they see that as she is someone going to the grocery store, going to pick up her kids from school, pumping the gas. she wants to really connect with people on that level and say, hey, the policies that are impacting you are impacting me, too. and she is, of course, the senator from alabama. her state right now, mired in the controversy from that alabama state supreme court decision that paused ivf treatment in the state. the legislature now putting at least a temporary fix on that.

we can expect that she will address that issue. she's been an outspoken supporter of ivf. and in terms of what success looks like, the source told me success would look like prosecuting the case against president biden's record. they expect that in his state of the union, there will be some messaging that will be used as a little bit of a campaign trail tool as well. and the role is to prosecute why he should not get four more years. that is the role that they see for senator brit. one other interesting nugget given the maga moment we're in, i asked the source, you know, what are the reasons that it was senator britt chosen. they need a person who can bring strength and optimism for the

future, and they believe senator britt is the one to do that. we'll see how that shakes out for her. >> dasha burns, thank you so much. now to that conviction in the shooting of a movie cinematographer and what it might mean for the next trial, the one with the movie's star. nbc's dana griffin is in santa fe for us. dana, i know we're hearing from a jury member in the rust trial. what did we learn? >> yeah, chris, so this all boiled down to whether the jury believed hannah gutierrez-reed was responsible for loading that live round into baldwin's revolver, which ultimately shot and killed halyna hutchins and they found it did. i spoke with one of the jurors moments after the verdict, and i asked them, what was that key piece of evidence. here's what he told me. >> not checking the weapons. just having him over and like, here. not checking. that was a big deal. i mean, you can't do that.

>> reporter: you heard him, you can't do that. i asked why they decided not to convict on the tampering with evidence charge. that was in relation to a bag of cocaine that hannah gutierrez-reed passed to a crew member. no one ever found it. that's why they decided to not convict her on that. now she is awaiting sentencing. she could face up to 18 months in prison, and now we're turning to baldwin's case. he is scheduled to go to trial july 9th. and i can tell you, this was a -- kind of a heads-up for him and his defense team, we know his attorney has been in court every single day, taking court notes, this is his way of getting the state's play book. he knows what evidence they have against him and they can work over the next four months to build up the stronger defense. on the flip side, you have the prosecutor who knows what works for a jury, and they can look --

go back to their case, look at what worked, what didn't work, and try to build an even stronger case against baldwin. the prosecutor said during her closing statement, that he will, baldwin, will have to account for what he did in that church that day. but that will be on a different day with a different jury, and, hey, that could come this july. chris. >> dana griffin, thank you. now to haiti where armed gangs have been unleashing a wave of brutal violence in the capital. nbc's gabe gutierrez has the latest on that. gabe. >> haiti is on the brink of civil war as it spirals into chaos. now the prime minister is on u.s. soil having landed in puerto rico earlier this week. ariel anrie took office following the assassination of the president at the time. violence has been escalating over the last few days ever since a mass prison break over

the weekend. there has been violence for the past several years. there was a significant amount of unrest, but it has gotten worse, and the u.n. now estimates that about 80% of port-au-prince is under the control of violent armed gangs. now the airport in port-au-prince, the main airport remains shut down, and the state department is urging all americans to leave haiti immediately. of course that is challenging because that airport is shut down. chris, the white house is walking a very fine line here. it says that it is not urging the prime minister to resign, be rather that it is trying to expedite, along with other caribbean nations some sort of political transition. again, the white house insisting that it's not asking the prime minister to resign, and it's also saying that it does not plan to have any american boots on the ground in haiti. now, right now, chris, it remains unclear whether the prime minister plans to return to the country. but the white house is saying

that it is not helping him in port puerto rico. what does that mean for joe biden that 38%, steve kornacki standing by at the big board. td >> woman: why did we choose safelite? >> vo: driving around is how we get our baby to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we trusted the experts. they focus on our safety... so we can focus on this little guy. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

president biden goes into the state of the union battling a panic over polls. for a round up of his current standing and how that compares to past presidents at this point in their reelection year, i want to bring in nbc's steve kornacki at the big board. what do the numbers tell us, steve? >> the numbers tell us joe biden is face ago pretty serious challenge in his reelection year. we talked on super tuesday about some of the general election

polling is that trump/biden match up that put joe biden a little bit behind donald trump in the most recent polls. these are some of the numbers that put him in that position. this is his job approval rating, our most recent nbc poll, consistent with the other polls that have come out recently. it is a 37% job approval rating for joe biden, with 60% saying they don't approve of his performance as president. let's put that in context. presidents, recent presidents at the start of the reelection year, heading into the state of the union address, same position biden is in now, what were their approval ratings. take a look at how biden stacks up. you can see the 37% he's got right now, it's lower and significantly lower than the other presidents this century who have been in this position. you start with george w. bush at the beginning of 2024. his reelection year. saddam hussein had been captured a month or two earlier. bush went on to win the election, barack obama was a tick under 50%. he defeated mitt romney.

trump, four years ago, 46%, and of course that was not enough for donald trump. he lost to joe biden. and now here's joe biden at 37%. the only two presidents to go a little bit further in the past to be at this level or lower in their reelection year, george h.w. bush, 1992, jimmy carter, 1980. they were both defeated for reelection. now, take a look at this. we asked folks more specifically on the issues what they judged the president's job performance to be on the economy. 36% job approval. on foreign policy, 34, and specifically on the israel-hamas war, 29. this is one obviously the economy, the biden folks are hoping they continue to get positive indicators and that voters begin to feel that, and they believe that might change voters' perceptions of the economy, and if their perceptions of the economy change, perhaps their perceptions of joe biden's overall job performance changes. that's a variable to keep in mind as the year progresses.

there's this from pugh, which shows some quality polling. they asked a whole series of traits and characteristics about joe biden, and just ask folks, do these terms, these traits in your view describe biden. you can see he gets his best marks on being even tempered. his campaign wants to make a contrast on donald trump. what stands out the most to me is this question right here. 29%. fewer than 1/3 in this poll say that the term mentally sharp applies to joe biden. obviously as the oldest president ever, and the issue of age popping up in so many polls right now, and looming over this campaign in a way, you know, we really haven't seen before with both candidates. particularly with the incumbent president, i think it underscores the significance potentially tonight for biden because the issues are so front and center, because that question of age is so in the spotlight. how does he look? how does he sound, how does he

perform tonight? there's going to be a large audience. one of the largest audiences a president gets for this kind of extended speech. how are voters going to perceive him tonight as they watch the speech. it's an opportunity to allay concerns. he's not going to get too many opportunities to do that in an extended format with this kind of an audience. >> steve kornacki, interesting stuff, thank you. joining me is the man who ran the campaign for the last democratic incumbent running for reelection. jim messina was president obama's 2012 campaign manager and white house deputy chief of staff of operations. i'm looking at those numbers again, and looking at the bottom 2, personal characteristics inspiring 26%. energetic, 24%. is it too simplistic to say those are at the bottom along with mentally sharp. those are the things he has to change tonight just by how he

presents this speech. what's your take on it? >> a couple of things, chris. first of all, i think tonight is one of the two free moments he's going to get to talk to the american people between now and the election. tonight in the convention speech. it is a high stakes moment for him to lay out exactly what he's doing for people and to start to draw the contrast that is so important in these elections. i used to say to president obama, this is a choice between you and your opponent, we'll win that choice. and so he's got to start driving that choice. the number there that steve just showed that i care the most about, cares like people like me. tonight, he needs the american people to say, he's in this for ordinary people. he cares about these ordinary people like me. and he's in it and donald trump isn't. and the state of the union is a perfect place to start driving the contrast, to say i'm in touch with your values and the

other side isn't. that's why tonight's so important for him, chris. >> it seems like back in 2009, i'm guessing you might remember this. when president obama was giving a speech and the congressman yelled you lie at the president, it started this kind of whole incivility thing. i want to remind people of what happened in the state of the union last year. take a listen. >> some republicans want medicare and social security to sunset. i'm not saying it's the majority of you. let me give you -- anybody who doubts it. >> i tell you, i enjoy conversion. >> speaker johnson is warning his republican caucus not to heckle. i wonder if president biden should hope for hecklers tonight. if this is a speech about contrasts and given how he responded last year, could it be an opportunity or do you just

ignore it and go on? >> no, it's absolutely an opportunity, chris. both barack obama and bill clinton were helped in their reelection campaigns by having a republican house full of unruly people who had crazy ideas and they could campaign against them. i agree with you, the most viral moment of last year's speech was that moment you just showed. you can't plan for it. you're not going to know when it comes. it's proof of how good joe biden was on his feet, and was able to take what could be a difficult moment and make it the moment of the night. we'll all be watching to see if there's one of those moments tonight. >> jim messina, always good to see you. thank you so much. coming up on "chris jansing reports," biden's state of the union coming at a key moment for the country and the planet with record heat and deadly storms now becoming the norm, can the president convince the country his policies are the way forward? rward?

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another record busting round of torrential winter rain is wreaking havoc across the southeast and on the east coast. today in georgia, cars stuck on the flooded roads as storms brought travel to a standstill. and for vehicles that are still able to move, the conditions have been dangerous. look at this view from i-75 in florida. gusty winds whipping across the highway making that rain all the more dangerous. and on the heels of record

heat, destructive wildfires in texas, and devastating storms in california, president biden is set to highlight the actions he's taking to combat climate change during tonight's state of the union address. the speech comes after the official last day of the special climate envoy, john kerry, who said in an interview that staying doesn't make sense in an election year with a gridlocked congress. and with a slim chance of real action. joining me is ali zadie, assistant to the president and national climate office to lead the policy office. to john kerry's point who said he's frustrated and used more colorful language, he said he thinks the movement at large needs to do a better job of communicating the benefits of climate action, so what will the president's communication on this be tonight? >> look, it's so important that we get out there and help people

understand the economic up side of leaning in to taking on this crisis, and that's what the president's been doing since day one. as you showed in your reporting, the idea that climate change is picking up the pace, that it's showing up in all of our communities, it's not a science projection. it's a reality in our communities, and in the lives of the american people, and folks the world over, but what's also the reality today is that we've got folks signing up for jobs at factories to manufacture solar panels and ev batteries, people getting retrained and rehired into careers to build this clean energy economy. you'll see some of those folks at the state of the union this evening. but that's what this is all about. it's about going into the crisis together united and coming out the other end more strong. having built an economy that's

more durable, that works for people from the bottom up and the middle out. >> and we've talked a lot on this program about the other side of the economic impact of this, right, just take any given storm, and you often hear about an impact in the hundreds of millions, sometimes billion dollar plus range depending on what we're talking about. and here we are, while waiting for some change, the first two months of this year were officially the hottest on record. joe biden has said that global warming topping 1.5 degrees the next 15 to 20 years is scarier than nuclear war. are we going to hear that kind of warning tonight to say this is what you're setting yourselves up for, essentially. >> look, the president sees this for the challenge that it is. you pointed out the heat effects. we've seen it in the colorado river basin. 40 million folks across seven states who depend on that resource, parched by drought.

but now stabilized thanks to the president's investment agenda. so we're investing in resilience and adaptation, we're getting after the root cause. so it's not just this message of doom and despair. that's not where the president has lived. where he's focused is to help us see the opportunity, the possibilities, and i think that's what you'll hear the president talk about. our ability to take factories that had once been shuttered and turn them back on. energy workers who have been laid off put them back on the beat, helping us build this sustainable and robust economy. it's what we're doing everywhere across the country. it's that story of uplift, i think, that the president brings to the chamber this evening. and i think it's that story of uplift that will continue to mobilize more action on climate all across the united states. >> we're almost out of time, but i do want to go back to what john kerry had to say, and also to quote something that was in the nonprofit inside climate

news reporting because while many people acknowledge that this administration has done a lot in this realm, they say that amid the heated 2024 political climate, many of the climate regulations going into effect in the coming months are weakened versions of the original goals with delayed epa action on new natural gas and tail pipe emissions rules for example. are climate rules like that getting watered down because, well, i don't know, maybe so much political capital has to go elsewhere. can anything be done realistically, ali, to move that forward before the election. >> i think that story is just wrong. we have been moving more quickly, more vigorously every day of this administration. you think about the fall, a year after the inhalation reduction act had been passed, the president launched an american climate corps, a new initiative to get young people into clean

energy and climate jobs. later that year in december in dubai, we brought the world together around a consensus that we need to transition away from fossil fuels, accelerating progress in this decade. just at the beginning of this year, the president announced a pause on the buildout of future authorizations of liquified natural gas, lng exported from the united states to markets overseas. the rules that you're talking about, we have banned routine venting and flaring, cutting methane emissions by 80% in a matter of a decade. we're going to have electric vehicles already quadrupled, but as part of the option set, the choices that consumers have to get from point a to point b on a lower cost, solution basis, and we're doing on power plants,

something transformational, giga watts, massive projects, millions of homes worth of energy, being built in the united states, not in the future, not a decade from now. right now, and creating jobs and opportunity here domestically right now. that's motivating. that's a big deal. it's not something that i think when you look at the stakes in the fall you shy away from. it's something that you lean into because it is a strength for this president that he has woven climate through his economic and security agenda and we're going to continue to vigorously pursue that. >> one of the things we'll be listening for closely tonight. thank you for coming on the program. we want to take you around the world for a story that spans 37 miles and 130 days. 29-year-old cole brower said into the history books when she became the first american woman to race nonstop around the world all by herself.

nbc's emilie ikeda covered this. a harrowing journey, also a glass ceiling breaking one. the strength of mind and body this takes, off the charts, tell me about it. >> it's truly stunning. i'm think i'm cole brower's biggest fan at this point, when you consider what it takes to be a solo sailer. you're considering the boat, the pathway, you have to fix when something goes on the boat. understand the weather, taking care of personal things, and it comes with treacherous conditions. this was a race that went 37,000 miles down the western coast of africa, around the cape of australia, over to south america in some of the most treacherous waters known to man, back to spain. there was video of one moment, she was on the boat, the conditions, you'll see it on the screen there, it throws her across the boat, it badly injures her ribs, does not break her spirit. she powers on. this is what she hopes people take away from her victory. >> it's a fully male-dominated

world, and i think that it takes a lot of strength to actually push and try to strive into this industry. and, you know, i just i really want women to understand that it's possible. you have to go through a lot of, you know, bad talk and people treating you poorly and getting paid significantly less, but in the end, it's all a numbers game. if we can all kind of work together and come together, i really think that we can work hard for the industry. >> cole was one of 16 competitors, avid sailors from around the world, the youngest competitor, the only woman. more than half of the competitors dropped out throughout the race because of challenges, and she got second place. >> and still had enough energy to jump around with a bottle of champagne. >> she is amazing. >> thank you for bringing her story. much appreciated. still ahead, the father of a michigan high school shooter going to trial weeks after his

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got wrenching testimony today from a teacher who was wounded during a mass shooting at oxford high school in 2021. her voice shaking as she detailed the moments after she was shot. >> i could start to feel blood

rolling down my arm. and i -- i don't think i was admitting that i was shot. it was so far out of what i knew to be would happen. >> so this is the trial of the gunman's father. james crumbley, who prosecutors say was grossly negligent when he purchased the gun for his son ethan four days before the attack. he is now on trial for four counts of involuntary manslaughter. one count for each of the lives taken during the rampage. crumbley's wife jennifer was already convicted of those same charges. nbc's adrienne broaddus is outside the courthouse, also with me legal correspondent, lisa rubin. what's the latest we're hearing from court. >> reporter: the second witness is on the stand.

we heard opening statements from both sides, the prosecution and the defense early this morning. the assistant prosecuting attorney told members of the jury that james crumbley was in the best position to prevent these shootings. james has pleaded not guilty. by contrast, the defense attorney representing james crumbley said there's no way james who pleaded not guilty had any knowledge of his son's intentions. listen more to the conversation from both sides. >> she crouched down, like i don't know if it was -- i don't know if it was in -- i don't know why she did it. it was in a fetal position, and the shooter ran right up to her, and put the gun right on her head and she just fell over. >> reporter: and that was one of

the witnesses who was testifying that you just heard from. he described what he saw when he responded to the scene. the other big question is a lot of people are wondering what will be the difference in james' trial when compared to his wife jennifer. one big difference, the members of the jury. also, some evidence will be withheld that we saw in jennifer's trial, and will be some new evidence. the other key, the witnesses. students were not allowed to testify in jennifer's case. and this trial, one injured student will be allowed to testify, and also added to the witness list, the original owner of the gun that was used. chris. >> so, lisa, what do you see as the differences between the two spouses' trials? >> james crumbley has some things going for him that his wife did not, and also has some liabilities that she did not. let's start with the liabilities. he is the one who purchased the gun for his son.

he was also responsible for the storage of the gun, and he told investigators that he stored the gun not under lock and key but in an armoire, unloaded, and bullets in a separate drawer under some jeans. those are his liabilities so to speak. unlike his wife who was having an extra marital affair, who was portrayed as out of touch, that you can't say about james crumbley. he is in some respects a more sympathetic figure, he was being cheated on. he's hard of hearing. he's wearing headphones in the courtroom so he can hear the testimony against him. in some respects he may be more sympathetic. in others, he may be seen as more directly responsible for the plight of the four students and others who were injured that day. >> a situation in a texas high school, parents are outraged after their kids were suspended. now they face expulsion for not telling an adult that a fellow

student brought a gun to school and planned to shoot a teacher. >> yes, i could have tried, but at this point, it's just my mind thinking, would this kid turn on me and instead i get hurt instead of anyone else. >> she's still growing and her mentality is not fully developed to place something that big on her, and at the time when the whole situation happened, she, in fact, feared for her life. >> when jennifer crumbley was convicted, it was a breakthrough, right? this is a very different situation obviously. except that it's about are people accountable beyond the person who either shot or was going to shoot people. how complicated could this be legally, just to even say we're going to expel these kids who didn't tell us they knew that there was a gun. >> well, there are two sort of big differences here. but let's start with the first one, which is that parents have a duty of care for their

children. in fact, one of the theories of involuntary manslaughter here is that they didn't exert reasonable care over their son who they knew to be suffering from mental health issues. where you're talking about students in relationship to one another, the same legal duty doesn't exist, particularly where you've got minors. i think it is really legally complicated. on the other hand, i can understand suspension and expulsion to compel other students in similar situations to come forward and prevent the loss of life we saw in oxford. >> lisa rubin, good to have you on the program. >> thank you. >> there's no question that joe biden and donald trump will face off again in november. what about face to face before then? say on a stage for a debate. will biden take up trump's challenge especially after what happened last time? >> why won't you answer that question. the question is -- >> the question is. >> will you shut up, man?

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lies, everybody knows he's a liar. i just want to make sure -- graduated last in your class, not first in your class. >> let minimum finish, sir. >> he doesn't know how to do that. >> i'm not going to answer the question. >> radical left. >> will you shut up, man. >> who is on your list, joe. >> this is so -- >> gentlemen -- >> this is so unpresidential. >> you're the worst president america has ever had, come on. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard is covering the trump campaign. chuck todd is an nbc news chief political analyst. the good old days. trump dodged every primary, and also said, look, i'm way up in the polls, why do i need to debate. suddenly he wants this face-off. does he really? >> reporter: right, i remember i think probably a lot of americans after that first debate back in 2020, walking out of my home, and walking through the neighborhood and looking up at the stars and thinking about the world.

whether we'll get those rematches in 2024 is an outstanding question. donald trump said it himself he wants to debate joe biden anytime, anywhere, even agreeing to the debates put on by the commission of debates, which donald trump was critical of, and the rnc voted to bar its future presidential candidates from partaking in debates and now that donald trump is the candidate, he can do whatever he wants. doesn't matter what the party says. take a look at his statement or response from the biden campaign who to note did not directly answer whether the current president would participate in debates against donald trump, but said in part, quote, i know donald trump's thirsty for attention and struggling to expand his appeal beyond the maga base. if he's so desperate to see president in prime time, he might learn a thing or two about bringing people together and delivering for the american people. four years ago it was donald trump who was also poking joe

biden at the time suggesting that he was doing nothing but hiding in his basement. of course joe biden did everything but that. he partook in the two debates, the third one was canceled because donald trump refused it take part in it virtually because of covid precautions. >> i'm going to resist the temptation to ask vaughn what he saw in the stars that night as he was wandering the neighborhood and instead ask you, where do you put the chances of a debate actually happening? >> i think it's pretty low. i would be surprised if there's a debate. it is really hard to justify sharing a stage with trump knowing how the conversation's going to go, right, you know, these are the -- do i think we might get back-to-back forums, i do, but the direct engagement, i don't think we're going to get it. i've talked to people close to the biden world who were like, well, since he didn't debate in

the primaries, he's certainly given us an easier out on this. that said we know that -- >> is it though really, chuck? are people going to look at this and say, he can't do it, the age question, the mental competence question, and maybe, maybe are they missing an opportunity like some people thought they did before the super bowl? >> here's what i think is most likely. if trump is serious about going down the road of the commission on presidential debates, joe biden is a traditionalist and an institutionalist. for instance, he's already made the decision he's going to okay intelligence briefings for the presumptive nominee when donald trump is the presumptive nominee. there are a lot of people that are concerned he's going to be getting sensitive briefings like this. joe biden does believe in the traditions and institutions of these things. if you told me the commission on presidential debates had come to an agreement with trump and was

negotiating, yes, i could see a scenario where he did that. i just -- i doubt it. i don't see, you know, and frankly it's sort of funny to me that trump's the one calling for him right now. because i think they don't help him. debates don't help him. i don't know whether they're going to help biden or not but i don't think they help trump much at all. more trump is never usually helpful to winning over swing voters. >> we've got a minute left, chuck, i'm going to give it to you, what can biden really accomplish tonight? >> i think starting to create a framework of doing two things, explaining, you know, why him, but particularly on those issues that are of the most concern of voters under 40 because when you think about who's watching tonight, it's people that are already kind of partial to him. he needs to talk to the ones that are the most tenuous, and i think those are demographically voters under 40. they're the ones that most

economically still concerned. they're the ones not happy about what's happened with reproductive rights. st i think it's an opportunity there. it's an opportunity to frame what is his argument against trump about, and is it going to be forward looking or background looking? >> i think it's going to be forward looking, this guy wants to do this, this and this. we're doing this, this and this. that's what his opportunity is tonight. he gets to frame the conversation in both of those instances, at least it's an opportunity. we'll see if he pulls it off. >> chuck todd, vaughn hillyard, great to have you on the show. thank you. that's going to do it for us this hour, but remember, special coverage of the state of the union tonight. rachel maddow and team will have a complete analysis of president biden's speech and also the republican response. so be sure to tune into that special coverage that begins at 9:00 eastern. right here on msnbc, and of course join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern. our coverage continues with

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