all of this together. and for the same reason, you are going to have courtney watts, a woman who was criminalized for having a miss taerpblg. kate cox, who was denied an abortion in her home state of texas, and was forced to travel, even though she had a nonviable pregnancy. i think what ties it all together is this fundamental system. and a small democratic core would like to take it out of the hands of people who can reproduce. >> it's always about controlling women, y'all. it's never been about babies. if it was about babies, it would be healthcare and school lunch. there you go. robert p. jones, we're going to have this conversation again. that is tonight's reidout. don't go anywhere. our special coverage of president biden's state of the union address starts right now. mr. speaker!

>> mr. speaker. >> mr. speaker. >> madam speaker! >> mr. speaker. >> the president. >> the president. >> the president. >> of the united states. >> by special invitation of the speaker of the house. tonight, president biden delivers the state of the union address. >> we are just getting started. >> a divided audience in the room. and the nation. the president makes his case for an american comeback. >> let's finish the job this time. >> the economic success story. and its partisan combat over the southern border. u.s. support for wars abroad, an assault on the fundamental rights of women, and the preservation of democracy itself. >> democracy must not be a partisan issue. >> tonight, rachel maddow, rachel wallace, it jen psaki all here for msnbc's special coverage of the state of the union address.

good evening. and thank you for joining us. for the state of the union. for democracy, this is the school band recital and the scout jamboree and the black friday sale and the christmas pageant and the new year's eve ball drop and my girlfriend's birthday, all rolled into one. happy birthday, honey. we know you could watch the president's state of the union address, anywhere and everywhere. it makes us all the more grateful that you are watching it here with us. it's a big night for all of us. i'm rachel maddow here at nbc headquarters. nicolle wallace is here. chris hayes, arie melbourne, jen psaki. we'll have a whole bunch of colleagues over the course of our special coverage tonight. there is really nothing else in american life and american politics, quite like the state of the union. there's no other moment, when you get the president and the vice president and the entire

u.s. senate and the entire house of representatives and the cabinet and the heads of all the branches of the military and the supreme court justices all in one room. and if you are someone who likes to show off how many political figures you can recognize on site, this is your night director of labor, director of the office of management and budget. and the office for palou. we will be playing along and inevitably getting some of them wrong, as long as i'm on the microphone. state of the union is prescribed in the constitution. it's always a big deal. it's an even bigger deal when election is running for re- election. president biden's white house has made no secret of the fact that they see tonight as an unparalleled opportunity. for him to set the terms of the long campaign ahead. this could well be the largest

audience president biden addresses, until the democratic national convention, which is nearly half a year from there. so tonight's speech comes just after president biden and donald trump all but swept the super tuesday nominating contest this week. trump is now the presumptive republican nominee. biden has been the presumptive democratic nominee from the beginning. we don't expect mr. biden to call mr. trump out by name. but according to kperplts released from the white house earlier this evening, president biden will draw a contrast between two visions of the american story, as he describes it. one that embraces, quote, "freedom and democracy, honesty, decency, dignity, equality and respect." versus another version, when he says is based on resentment, revenge and retribution. so maybe he won't say "trump" but he'll spell it every other

way. >> president biden will talk about the booming economy that he has shepherded. he will also call on americans to elect a congress that will restore roe versus wade, that will restore the right to have an abortion as the law of the land. on the republican side tonight, we'll watch to see if members of congress can keep it together there have been increasingly rowdy, republican outbursts. today, house speaker mike johnson repeatedly warned his republican colleagues that decorum is the order of the day. we shall see. it hasn't been for a long while. ue about the a big night ahead. we've got lots to talk about. we're going to start with chris hayes. >> thank you very much. joining us now from the capitol is minnesota senator amy klobuchar. senator, i know you're on the rules committee and a special role you play in tonight's activities. is that right?

>> yes. get to escort the president in. i hear that he is very excited about this speech in good spirits, a seasoned leader. and as rachel was just noting, i am remembering last year when maybe decorum didn't rule and they were heckling him and he went with the punches and did an extraordinary job. so i'm looking forward to this speech. >> are there specific areas that you feel particularly invested in. things you're looking for? signal little from the white house. particularly about pressing legislative issues right now. >> sure. >> supplemental funding? as well as an agenda past that. >> clearly, the president will be focused on getting this budget done so there's not a shutdown. and focused on getting humanitarian aid to gaza. but the other thing is going to be the contrast he is defending the rights, freedoms. and they're trying to destroy them. he is defending demock realistic. and they're trying to defeat it. he has the backs. you're going to hear a lot

about costs. i'm very interested in the to culs on prescription drugs. since i led that bill back about negotiating medicare prices. and finally, that is happening. insulin capped at $35. i think you're going to see a futuristic speech. you're going to see a speech not just about accomplishments, as important as that is. but also the progress that needs to be made for the future. and really future orientation to what needs to happen in the second term for president biden. >> you get to bring guests along, one of your privileges as a member of the united states senate. >> yes. >> do you have any guests tonight? >> i do. i have a woman named ann buzzy, an iron ranger in northern minnesota. she is an incredible woman who is paying $10,000 a year for her husband's prescriptionless.

what that has meant for 10 blockbuster drugs, including eloquist, and jardience. i memorized them. more can come to bring down drug prices for the people of this. >> i know you have your hands full. >> it's going to be great. thank you. >> rachel? >> you know, what she said off the top about decorum. and what we put right at the very top of the broadcast, with a big voice talking about what is going to happen. it is weird because of what is going on in the president party. and how he tries to address the legislative priority. and we're also like, what are they going to do? i mean, there's a little bit of a -- there is anticipation of what weirdness may come from the republican opposition. i don't know if speaker johnson has the ability to calm them down or talk them out of it.

but i think it's telling that that's a big part of how we brace for nights like this. >> look. at a selfish level. makes it more fun to watch, right? anything could happen. >> can be more stressful. >> but i think it gets back to the election dynamic. president biden is the only one in charge of his destiny. right? you just said it. speaker can't control his caucus. it is the analog. trump can't control his impulses. trump will be what he will be. republican members will be what they will be. they can't control themselves. but the president is the most disciplined and experienced -- and i know we talk a lot of times about how that cuts against him. but of all people, he is the only one who is in control of how this night goes down. he's having the same conversations behind closed doors that we are having right now. anything can happen. and somebody is going, oh, god, but don't say the "f" word.

i mean, i think it would be great. but that probably for another. last time, it went great for him. >> and the public watches this, right? and they're reminded, oh, wait. what happens in washington? the president has to wait with this congress. why is there that new speaker some people have some idea that the guy who could barely get in there the first time, mccarthy, then got fired. and now they got this new guy. and when you talk about immigration, there's real stuff to be done. the economy, they have been doing it. kind of the white house argues without congress. right? and then you say, we want to do more. this is one of the least productive congresses in history. there's more i can do. that's why he wants a second term. and also, implicitly, negative in the painting. everyone else in this room on the republican leadership, hasn't done much, with their

time or jobs that you elected them to. >> that's very true. and i think the best moment last year that we all remember last year was the social security moment, right? when the president had the back- and-forth. there's no doubt, as nicole and i both can confirm. you plan those moments to the best that you can. but there's some aspects of it that you can't plan. because they can't plan. if somebody in that audience today going to yell about immigration? are they going to yell about something else that the president has to respond to? the white house also plans for that. it's also maybe weirder that you're sitting in the last few weeks, planning out, okay, how are you going to respond if marjorie taylor greene yells about this? how aring go to respond? >> there's news that there are efforts to stop that. mike johnson thinks it reflects poorly on his members. and he wants to respond it that. and like, nah, dude. >> like we're going to do it anyway? >> yes. like i don't even check my

behavior from my preacher. >> the rules of theater. >> my point. >> self regulation is a good skill to teach your kids, just as a side note to teach your kids. like self regulating is important in adults. there is a contrast to arie's point. everyone in america knows who donald trump is. everyone knows who the president is. joe biden. maybe one in five people know who mike johnson is? >> uh-huh. >> maybe -- i don't know what percentage of people can tell you which party controls the house of representatives. the basic facts of that dynamic you just listed. that's like news to a lot of people that come to watch the state of the union on a night that tens of millions of people pay attention. >> and very briefly, there is who is mike johnson? and then there's why is mike

johnson? and goes to how they fight among themselves. even conservatives. >> the point you made, arie, about how this is one of the least productive congresses, if not the least, in the history of the united states is a double-edged thing for the president, too. he wants to talk about getting things did know with his bipartisan. but he is literally standing p in front of a congress that can't put a why. we shall see. we are still waiting for president biden to leave the white house, get in the beast, drive over to the capitol to deliver this year's state of the union address. we're going to take a quick break now. we want to be back with you before all the action starts. stay right here with us. i must say to you. that the state of the union is not good. >> the state of our union is sound. >> the state of our union is strong.

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i have no more campaigns to run. my only agenda -- i know because i won both of them. [ applause ] >> president obama at the state of the union, after winning re- election. republicans very excited he would not be campaigning again. him rubbing it in just a little and winning the interaction. so here's the split screen for you on the occasion of this year 's campaign year state of the union. president obama is scheduled tomorrow since he became the presumptive nominee. tomorrow, he will host at his home in mar-a-lago, viktor orban. he's been in power for 15 years. during that time, hungary has significantly backslid to something more like an auto

autocracy. last year, tried to block military aid to ukraine. meanwhile, when president biden gives the state of the union address tonight. a different prime minister, from sweden, will be watching from jill biden's box suite. that neutrality ended today when today, this day, sweden became the newest member of nato. the 32nd country to join nato. they decided to end neutrality in response to russia's invasion of ucrepe. so the prime minister of sweden will be a guest while president trump tomorrow hosts viktor orban's best friend forever. >> the split screen here is always there when the president is

speaking during a campaign year. i don't know whether this was timed to coincide with the state of the union. if it was staged to be a poke in the eye. but i wonder what you think president biden will make of it? prime minister of sweden sitting there, a new member of nato. >> it can be -- and holding nato together and holding the alliance together, during this nightmare that is happening, is one that president biden can be proud of. so i think people can make a big deal of it. and he's sitting in front of a republican caucus that is as noninterventionist, isolationist generation as we've seen. donald trump is trying to style himself as a president in waiting, as sort of what viktor orban was when he lost and returned to power. then began to dismantle

democracy so he wouldn't lose again. and he hasn't. somebody is going to be literally sitting with a man with whom he can get advice on how to remain in power perfect. at home, allegedly going to fact check joe -- president biden on pretend twitter. he's got his own plan to style himself while the real president is talking as the president in waiting is consulting with the dictator who is going to train him. he is, for all intents and purposes the apprentice. >> i think he has to do more than point to nato as accomplishment. this is something you have to connect the dots for people. the opposite is a threat. i think you have to go against it and say, being against it is a threat. i think the whole reaction may get more traction in foreign capitols than in ours. they'll be looking in ukraine. in europe, to see how half the

room reacts. will they clap? i'm not sure. and to see this lurch of not just the presumptive nominee. but one of the two parties. i mean, they know more about mitch mcconnell's retirement and comments about foreign policy than probably folks paid to your point. but this is, i think -- and i interviewed the former prime minister of australia. this is what they're watching to see. what does it matter? because the opposite is dangerous to you and you and you. it's not just bragging about the state of the alliance. >> and i think you had your program as well. that european leaders are looking and wondering if it's worth dealing with the current president of the united states if he cannot control foreign policy. and they're watching as the current sitting president of the united states has his foreign policy held hostage by a civilian, by a retiree in florida, who seems to actually

control whether or not the united states -- >> they're also watching for this connection, as nicole said. these foreign capitals, they get briefings on our politics in the united states, who is up and who is down? and i think in this speech, i think i would expect the president to connect the importance of funding for ukraine, as a defending dephoblguracy and defending authoritarian impulses to the challenges here. because the other challenges that president biden and secretary blinken when they go overseas is sometimes a lack of recognition of the challenges we have here at home. so acknowledging that and acknowledging and speaking to the defense of democracy, the inflection point that we're in. and tying that to ukraine, is, i think, the way i would expect him to do it. >> this is addressed to the public. and you're going to hit your big moment little. and we talk about that. so sometimes people remember. you don't have every day, where you can just kind of give a world briefing about what is going on. why are these countries that

have been comfortable at a security level being neutral shifting? this isn't world war ii but it is the biggest land war since world war ii. it sounds like a criticism but that's what his florida friend talks and admits. this is all of the chaos. and i think that's where most of americans' attention is. and there's very little interest in either party for foreign adventures. and yet, this is how much it's moving, even with -- push against putin. imagine the alternative. >> hmm. >> and he's also fighting tonight for lack of better phrase, the entropea of attention. which is what happens when anything goes on. when it was inviting ukraine it was roll and cover. and people pay less attention as it goes on. and you see the salience fall down. you see it in polling. how important is it to you? even though it's a low salience

issue, not front of mind for most voters, it is still popular. a strong majority still supports continued aid to ukraine. >> although it has decreased over time. >> it has decreased over time, both with media and donald trump. but it remains a popular issue, a majority issue. and what he has the unique role as the bully pulpit is to try to increase the salients back up. >> and it's working. >> you can personalize it, too. if you do public-opinion polling in the united states with the american public on figures, on names they have heard of, on individual people, the person who comes in basically lower than toenail fungus is vladimir putin. >> yes. >> they have talked the right wing into the idea that that is somehow, some sort of america first, nationalist thing. but it's about helping vladimir putin, who is wildly unpopular in every sector of the american

public. for president biden tonight, that's an easy thing to point out. i will mention that evan gershkovich's parents will be there, the reporter who has been held in russia, unjustly, by vladimir putin for a year now. we just had alexei navalny assassinated in russia. and it's still a very, very short, sharp shock. we know the white house invited navalny's widow to be here even show she couldn't. i'd be surprised if we didn't hear about that. but confronting evil. >> and guests of mike johnson. really important bit of signaling on precisely that. he gets to invite who he wants. he gets to signal what he wants to communicate. and i think that is a very good sign on where he is on this particular issue. >> the other big piece. and this is the sort of thing that i hear out in the world. that people in the regular world, who don't necessarily

pay attention to foreign policy, aren't necessarily jazzed on the issues of putin versus, you know, ukraine. they aren't really thinking about it. but when they talk about ukraine, what they wind up talking about is the united states spending tax money over there -- >> right. >> -- instead of over here. and it would be probably helpful if somehow president biden can do two things. he has to tauck about the scale. i think so people overestimate the scale of that spending versus what is spent domestically. >> wild. >> people persaoefz it as much more money. but also, they connect it to a lack of spending in the cities. a lack of spending for them. and he needs to make that case. we're going to make a quick break. i do want to let you know, while we're talking about this topic, one of the things we're keeping eyes on tonight. there has been one arrest already thus far. at a not gigantic, but significant sized protest outside the capitol. this is a protest calling for

an immediate cease-fire in gaza. again,y we just got word that there has been a single arrest. this is outside of the capitol on not only a high-profile, but high-security event, with so much of the government establishment of the united states gathered in that one room to hear this address tonight by the president. protestors making their views known. in just a few minutes, we expect speaker mike johnson to call the house to order ahead of president biden's address. we're going to squeeze in this last quick break. and we'll have live pictures inside the capitol on the other side of this. so stay with us. through the investigations of the so-called watergate affair. i believe the time has come to bring that investigation and the other investigations of this matter to an end. one year of watergate is enough. [ applause ] if there is going to be

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good evening and happy mardi gras. i'm bobby jindal, governor of louisiana. tonight, we witnessed a great moment in our history. >> speaking will be governor

bill clinton of arkansas. these theseern americans were charge chosen. and expressing stheplzs about the part republicans play in their lives. >> in the short time i've been in washington, nothing has frustrated me more than the false charges the president laid out tonight. >> it's that timing. >> too close. >> look. we'll clean it up afterwards. we'll fix it in post. >> the assignment is thirsty work. it's a little bit like what used to be called the sports illustrated cover curse. it is a great honor. it means you are a big deal and people expect for great stuff for you. but it often doesn't go well for you. the person who will deliver tonight's republican response is katie britt.

a freshman center senator from the state state of alabama. at age 32, she's also the youngest woman to be elected from any state. senator britt is an interesting and strategic choice for republicans. she ran on her staunch opposition to abortion she celebrated the overturning of roe versus wade. republicans have lost election after election, after election, any time it's tied to that subject. after the alabama supreme court effective banned invitro fertilization. the alabama signed that bill last night, which happened to be on the eve of senator katie

britt's national debut. lucky her. joining us is john, columnist. john, great to see you tonight. >> great to be here, too. thanks for having me. >> so you have seen katie britt up close in alabama politics, for a lot longer than people on the national scene know her. what should we expect? and what have you come to learn about her in her years in alabama politics? >> well, she came to power, sort of as an alternative sort of politician to the craziness of the mel brooks of the world and the buffoonery of tommy teberval. and i think she wants to present that to the nation as an alternative to crazy. but at the same time, if you really want to see who she is, you have to look at sort of the republican party that exists in her state, which is, you know busy right as we speak.

you know, passes more "don't say gay" bills and bathroom bills and ignoring prison crises that also affect life. and so, you know, if that's -- if that's the -- if that's what you're going to get from katie britt and probably anything that anything she thinks donald trump might want to hear. >> she was up against mo brooks to get to the senate seat in the first place. mo brooks started off as very much team trump. and company sort of turned on him, effectively, disassociated himself with him in a way that was very harmful for mr. brooks' campaign. katie britt ended up winning that campaign by a lot, after trump and brooks split. i mean, we all saw that drama unfold. but where you would put her on the scale of zero to trumpy, in terms of what type of republican politics she had. how closely she's aligned

herself with the former president. and crucially with his claims of election fraudulence. >> she campaigned, initially people would say, she's not like that. she really doesn't believe that. she's not that trumpy. which only leads me to say, you are what you pretend to be. and in the time that she's been elected, she has pretended to be nothing but a trump shoeshiner. i think she hopes deeply to be put in that vice presidential lottery. so i think that in many ways, it's sort of an illusion, because she has been -- the result is exactly the same. if you had tommy tuberville saying crazy things. and you had katie britt saying less crazy things. but ultimately, the result is the same. and i think that's where we

are. >> john archibald, pulitzer writer. my favorite person to read of all of them. john, it's great to have you here. thank you, my friend. >> thank you. >> live shots from the chamber here as vice president kamala harris enters the chamber. we also saw the democratic senate leader, chuck schumer, the republican senate leader, mitch mcconnell, coming in behind her. this starts the process, a long process, which will take at least the next 20 minutes, as we see members of the house and senate already there. but we'll see the diplomatic core of the cabinet, the joint chiefs, the military leaders and the various branches, all come in. we'll keep eyes on that as it happens. chris? >> katie britt is a fascinating figure. >> and choice. >> and choice. clearly, look, they understand they have to protect themselves on this flank. they have coordinated this timing, right? like she's coming to be like,

look. we signed the i vf bill. we're not coming for your frozen embryos, ivf users of america, even though the majority of the house members of the republican caucus, are currently right now, cosponsors on a bill that has filed in congress that would nationalize supreme court ruling that has no carveout for i vf. buzz the other things is sort of the expectation setting that happens when you're a senator in the state where tommy tuberville is the other senator. it's like a bridesmaid dress. it's like, you look good, if you're next to tommy tuberville. katie britt is like extremely, extremely, respected and looked to, as like the future in republican senate circles. she was a staffer for a long time. >> she was chief of staff,

whose seat she now holds. >> inside, outside transcender. >> she's also the only republican woman in the senate with kids. she said she's raising. which is why probably she is their choice. >> right. >> it is still odd. i understand they have to protect their right flank. and when she won her senate seat, she proudly bags and was excited about roe being overturned. >> she could be like republican ghandi. and still possesses a position that 83% of americans propose. abortion is more popular than it has been since the poll question was asked. and radical republicans have made it so. it doesn't matter. >> i have a question. they don't have an answer. alabama did sort of an end around it. >> they don't answer it. embryos are children.

>> doesn't matter what law they pass. >> does that mean you can freeze children? >> right. >> when you're defending frozen children. you know you'll lose it, right? beyond that. i think johnson has invited someone who runs a pregnancy crisis center. they're not doing themselves any favors, vis-a-vis the election. >> if everyone was smart on that side, they would just shut the hell up until november. no one talk about it, wait until we get in power and do it. but they can't do that. >> they're going to run on this, because it is their strongest issue. >> and keep talking to themselves. >> and we'll keep dying. and problem is, local news still exists. and even right wing local news will still cover a woman who has died because she was not able to get healthcare in the

state of texas. it's going to happen in florida and texas. it will happen everywhere. and those stories are so compelling, just as narratives. they'll to be irresistible to the media. it doesn't matter how attractive and reasonable- sounding katie britt is. >> and the reality is, it's something like, only 35% of the republican party disagrees with the alabama ruling. >> but mike johnson -- >> wow. >> i don't know that you all saw the mike johnson interview today. because he was asked about ivf. >> didn't answer it. >> what he said, it's new. as if it's the 1970s and we're in a brave new world. >> first of all, he's probably been around -- >> wasn't he born in 1970? >> that's my point. the problem is -- >> i come from the 1980s. i was in high school in the 1980s. and when we first started hearing about this, and quote/unquote, test tube babies. the right, i promise you, as

someone who grew up christian in the 1980s, was four-square against it, believed it was demonic and believed that life begins at conception. if you create 12 embryos, they believe you must implant all 12 because they already people. if you say life beginsa the conception. that means by definition, if you dispose of an embryo, you have frozen, you have killed a person. that is what they believe. they can cover it up in different markets and slogans, but that is actually what they believe. >> when you are talking inside. there's senator tommy tuberville. speaking of. but when you have the with wide shots, you might have noticed there are a lot of female members of congress who are wearing white or cream colored. and it really stands out when you see the wider shot of the room. those are members of the democratic caucus specifically wearing white for reproductive freedom. this is going to be the

centerpiece of what happens tonight, almost regardless of what is being said. with republicans choosing a republican from alabama to give the response to the state of the union, an anti-abortion republican from alabama and to have the democratic women highlighting it in this very high visibility. >> can i make a note that we did not coordinate. >> we just randomly wore white. >> and you're not coordinating as part of this message. >> no. >> you both just look amazing. >> thank you. >> speaking of which, jen psaki, you have a guest. >> i do. jeff nussbaum, former speaker for president biden. thank you for joining us tonight. >> good to be with you. this is fun. >> one of the things we have been talking about, in this world we're living in, in 2024, how do you prepare for the moments that might be scripted in a speech, and might not be? so as somebody who has written speeches with president biden, helped him walk through them, helped him practice with them?

how do you do that? how do you prepare for protestors on either side of the aisle. or moments where you want to put the other party in a tough spot. >> well, you do prepare. and i think you mentioned it earlier. you have lines ready. you have responses ready. you have a pretty decent sense, even though the speaker has tried to tell his caucus to stay in control. but they may not. but you also -- ultimately, the president is up there alone. and he has to trust his instinct. so bill clinton, one ofs this advisers, he would go up for the state of the union, would whisper, you have the best political instincts i've ever seen, trust them. part of the president is being alone. part of it is preparing. and i think this year especially, i think if there are responses, chaos. certainly, last year, the president showed that he can rumble with anyone. right? he went through that exchange. so he wants to wade into an exchange. we know he can win it. but also, this year, if he gets

-- if he gets -- if the rabble rises up. i think it presents the perfect split screen between the chaos in the house and a president up there who is being a leader. so i'm not one to tell him what he should do. but i think either way, he can win the exchange. >> the excerpts struck me as particularly spicy. spicy scranton joe, maybe an indication of that. tell us about how as a speech writer, you prevent these speeches from becoming elistical and make it more of a story. and what these excerpts may tell you about the tone of the speech? >> completely agree. i had the same response when i read the excerpts. i thought spicy, yes. but also conversational. yes it's an oeration but also a

conversation. he enjoys those conversations. he's at his best in this. i think you've seen, he's taking an oration moment and turning it into a conversation. and people trying to get their piece in. there are a lot of people in government and out of government who have validated if they have a line. that's why you want a leader and people around him, who know what they're about. luckily, president biden knows what he's about. because he's always been about it. from the bottom up and middle out you know, restoring the middle class. rebuilding our infrastructure, rebuilding our economy. so part of it is, resisting those impulses on a staff level. part of it is a leader saying, there's one story i'm telling. and i'm going to bring in the information that advances that story. >> jeff nussbaum, always a pleasure. and people do the weight room. >> has happened. >> thank you for joining us tonight. >> meaning you're saying if people know you have a hand in

helping craft the speech? people will stalk you? like inside the white house? >> there's crazy behavior that takes place. nicole may have experienced this as well. because everybody wants their line, their proposal. >> yeah. >> their thing in the speech. and as jeff just talked about. the challenge, when you're writing the speech or when you're the communications director, is you need it to be a story. not a list. there's a lot of disappointed people. >> you just drink a lot less water. make sure you can't get cornered. the reason we're looking at this door, through which a whole bunch of people you don't recognize just walked through is because of that right there. the president and first lady, leaving the white house. getting in the presidential limousine for the very short ride over to the house chamber of the u.s. capitol. president there is taking his time, getting in. look like he turned around.

and kind of greeted some people? as you guys know, nicole and jed, having been there and worked there. it is very much like christmas pageant time. it is like all systems working. and everybody working a lot. and things are changing right down to the last minute. it's very high energy, high stakes. >> and there's always the divide. people have to go. but most want to watch him to see what the president is saying. they tuesday the short straw is actually the person in the car or behind it. because most people want to see what people are saying and don't want to be the person fielding any last-minute calls. it's not like the american president, where michael j. fox says, i gotta write a brand new speech. at the last minute, you want to see what the country is hearing and hear the reaction positive and negative. >> i think president biden is saying, i'm not a lip reader, but a play one on tv.

i think he said, feeling good. >> yeah. >> waving as he goes. you know, also keep this mind that this is the first time the president gives the state of the union, we don't call it the state of the union but it tpaerbl effectively is. so 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024. at least one of the states of the union that president biden has had to give had to be changed, at the last minute, because of the invasion of ukraine. >> that's right. it was -- in 2022. and the speech that we had prepared was leading with the economy as they often do, almost always do. and we essentially ripped up the speech, which doesn't happen often, but sometimes it does happen. because of events in the world. and the in the moment we were facing, and it's not quite that at all

but i was speaking with somebody from the white house yesterday, curious about what the president would say about gaza but they said it's not quite written yet. there was an announcement that they made today where they want to provide the most up-to-date details and there are details where you sometimes you have to . i did -- >> the size of this motorcade is intense. but the fact that this is presidential movement -- >> jen, you asked in your interview and it was interesting about how the white

house is preparing for potential disruption and i think biden's death at dealing with this from republicans, he did a very well when marjorie taylor greene did that before, how can you respond if the disruption is on gaza. >> i can tell you how i hope you respond by showing empathy, and to say, i share your desire to end this war and to save lives in gaza and that is the piece that has not been communicated, which is that's what he's trying to do and there are a lot of people in the country who are frustrated but there's also a lot of people in the country who feel that some of the language that they've seen from some of the democratic party is anti- semitic. i'm not validating that but it's a difficult issue for president biden and for democrats, because of all of that. >> one of the things that'll be interesting about that part of the speech is donald trump and the republicans have basically maintained what i would call, strategic silence on the question. >> or it just needs to finish, think that's what he said. >> the phrase is not my favorite. and what you see however and you will see in the room is that there are two coalitions

in america, two parties, one of which, is having a battle over this issue and one of which is having no such battle, which is, for square in one direction and on one side. that's been true about everyone who's been speaking about this in the republican party. so it'll be interesting to see that in the room, because there is no division on the republican side. and it points in only one direction. >> pulled one moment -- >> the gentleman from louisiana, mr. scalise, the gentleman from minnesota, mr. amer, the gentleman from new york, mr. phonic, the gentleman from alabama, mr. palmer, the gentleman from utah, mr. moore

-- >> this list of names that we are getting from house speaker, this is the escort committee which is a long list of members that will walk in along with the president or start his address. i want to bring in ryan mostly because he's in the room. he can't join us on camera but he can join us audio only. ryan, can you give us a sense of what you've been saying, what we have noticed is the number of democratic women wearing white and we are told that it is in support of women and their reproductive rights. it's making a stunning visual. >> if it comes across that way on television, it's even more stark when you are in the room. when you walk in, you are drawn to these women, not only

because they are dressed in the white color but they also made the decision to punch themselves together and sit in one big block, and it certainly sends quite the message because as i said before, your eyes are immediately drawn to them and the message they are sending out of course with everything that's happening in the country right now, related to the overturning of roe v wade, the controversy over ivf in alabama and just in general, the overall conversation about women's rights. i spoke to a congressman about this and she said this is something that democratic women feel is an urgent topic that needs to be discussed. and this is something that we see members do, they don't have the opportunity to speak at a night like tonight that there are millions of eyeballs paying attention to what's happening here in the chamber of this is a way to send a message to all of the people that are watching that this is an issue they care about and they are not the only ones, we will see members

wearing ribbons that denote a number of different things in fact republican members that are wearing white ribbons that represent their concerns about the border crisis and what they would describe as the violence connected to the border crisis of course, that's up for debate as to whether or not that's a causation or a correlation but regardless, that is an issue that is front and center for republicans and so, these are all the subtle ways that members try and make their most important issues, that they care about, front and center in a speech like tonight. one of the things that members do, they push the white house they say, this is an issue that we want you to talk about but there's no guarantee that any of this will get into the speech.. >> ryan, thank you, and keep us on speed dial, flag us if you are noticing other dynamics at work in the chamber there. speaker johnson on the right, vice president on the left, this is the house sergeant at

arms. this is the dean of the diplomatic court along with the serving ambassador to the united states, the longest serving ambassador to the united states, he's the ambassador to palau. we will see the justices introduced shortly, we will see the first lady introduced, the cabinet introduced shortly. watching along with us as our friend claire mccaskill, former senator from missouri. am i right, you've been able to talk to some democratic women in the room tonight? >> i've had communications with some of my friends and former colleagues, and they are, to a

person, very optimistic about the speech. they think biden is going to be comfortable in that room. i don't think anybody in that room has been to more state of the union speeches than joe biden. so, he knows most of the people there, especially in the senate side and they think he's going to be loose and aggressive and frankly everyone is assuming that somebody's going to act out on the other side. there's a little bit of a concern that there may be some acting out along the gaza issue and i think what you all said earlier holds true. i think most of the members that i communicated with, think it'll give him an opportunity to show the empathy that everyone is feeling about the loss of innocent lives in gaza and the terms of how the war is being prosecuted. >> you see the chief there, john roberts, in the lead

justice kagan, all members never attend together anymore but correct me if i'm wrong, but justice alito hasn't attended, since the state of the union when he was kind of heckling president obama and got caught on camera, that was the last time he came? >> yeah. >> that's an interesting way to leave your mark. >> i think you would want to clean up that impression. we have sometimes seen former justices, retired justices -- justice kennedy is there. and then we see justice ketanji brown jackson, that's a privilege that you are allowed, we should also mention along those lines that another privilege, house floor privileges are extended to

former members of congress, there's been a buzz about expelled member of congress, george santos, sort of proudly returning and using his floor privileges to try to attend this evening. he has pled guilty to multiple felony charges, had he been convicted of any the felonies, you would not be allowed on the house floor but as a former member, even one that's been expelled, he technically can be there. so he can be there. lurking somewhere, and hoping desperately that we will talk about him and put his picture on television. while i have just talked about him now, maybe that will do it. >> nobody ever thinks of someone like him existing. >> i've been doing one of my favorite things to do, it's

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