historian michael beschloss, we appreciate you being with us this morning. >> thank you,thank you for gett "way too early" on this friday and all week long. "morning joe" begins now. when you're my age, certain things are clearer than ever. i know the american story. again and again, i've seen the contests between competing forces and the battle for the soul of our nation. between those who want to pull america back to the past and those who want to move america into the future. my lifetime has taught me to embrace freedom and democracy, a future based on core values that have defined america. honesty, decency, dignity, equality, to respect everyone, to give everyone a fair shot, to give hate no safe harbor. other people my age see it differently. the american story of

resentment, revenge, and retribution, that's not me. in my career, i've been told i was too young. by the way, they didn't let me on the senate elevators for votes sometimes. not a joke. i've been told i am too old. whether young or old, i've always been known -- i've always known what endures. i've known our north star. the very idea of america is that we're all created equal. deserves to be treated equally throughout our lives. we've never fully lived up to that idea, but we've never walked away from it either. and i won't walk away from it now. i'm optimistic. i really am. i'm optimistic, nancy. >> four more years! four more years! >> my fellow americans --

>> four more years! >> -- the issue facing our nation isn't how old we are, it's how old are our ideas? hate, anger, revenge, retribution are the oldest of ideas. but you can't lead america with ancient ideas. it'll only take us back. you lead america, the land of possibilities, you need a vision for the future and what can and should be done. tonight, you've heard mine. i see a future where defending democracy, you don't diminish it. i see a future where we restore the right to choose and protect our freedoms, not take them away. i see a future for the middle class who finally has a fair shot and the wealthy have to pay their fair share in taxes. i see a future where we save the planet from the climate crisis

and our country from gun violence. above all, i see a future for all americans, i see a country for all americans, and i will always be president for all americans. because i believe in america. i believe in you, the american people. you're the reason we've never been more optimistic about our future than i am now. so let's build the future together. let's remember who we are. we are the united states of america! [ applause ] and there is nothing, nothing beyond our capacity when we act together. god bless you all! may god protect our troops! thank you. thank you, thank you. >> president biden closing the state of the union address last night, speaking for just over an hour. the president made his case for a second term, leaning into some

of the themes that will play prominently as we head into november. like abortion rights and immigration. biden also hammered away at donald trump and his republican critics over a number of policies calling them out, offering a sharp contrast between his administration's accomplishments and those of his predecessor. welcome back to "morning joe." along with joe, willie, and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. former white house director of communications to president obama, jennifer palmieri. president of the national action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. president emeritus of the council of foreign relations, richard haass. and pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson is with us. also with us this morning, author and nbc news presidential

historian michael beschloss. joe, i'm at the forbes know your value 30/50 summit here in abu dhabi on this international women's day. last night, president biden spoke a lot about women's issues impacted by the overturning of roe versus wade. we're going to get to all of that in just a moment. i'm telling you, joe biden proved, i think, he still has a pulse. that's number one. speaker mike johnson might have rolled his eyes more than both my daughters in their entire lives. what's your take? >> well, i mean, had a pulse? he had frazier's left hook. >> i'm joking. >> i have never seen -- and part of this is delivery, part of it is speech writing. part of it is setting up the argument for the fall. i've sat through a lot of these. i have never seen one side put in so many uncomfortable positions as the republicans

were last night because they were on the wrong side of history. they were on the wrong side of the polls. they were on the wrong side of politics. they were on the wrong side of decency. this was -- this was a tour de force by joe biden. you had peggy noonan last week calling him cranky old joe after his angry press conference, who last night, michael beschloss, likened him to harry truman. there was a real give 'em hell, harry, part of this. what really completed it was, it was give 'em hell, harry, meets ronald reagan's a city shining brightly on the hill for all the world to see. >> right. >> when he says, you know, he's been around a long time. he's been called too young. he's been called too old. but listen to this, "but i know what endures.

i can see our north star, that we are all created equal. and we have never reached, never reached that goal, but that doesn't mean we give up trying." i thought it was a brilliant turn on donald trump when he said, you know, it's not about how old you are. it's about how old your ideas are. time and time again, i just go back. there were so many beautiful lines here, again, delivered beautifully. he said, "my lifetime has taught mebrace freedom and democracy, to give hate no safe harbor. now, some other people my age, they see a different story. an american story of resentment, revenge, and retribution. that's not me." in the words of naomi biden,

doubt him, then watch him. he's been defeating the odds his entire life. this has been a recurring theme, michael, for us, where joe biden is underestimated before iowa. >> right. >> he is underestimated before and after new hampshire. he's been hold he is too old since 2000. he just keeps surprising people. he just keeps winning. he just keeps outperforming. i have no doubt that every republican in that chamber was shocked by what they saw last night. he did it to them again. as newt gingrich said, at some point, we'll figure this out. he said this after the '22 election. we always -- democrats always underestimated ike. they always underestimated reagan. now, it's us, we always underestimate biden. >> yeah, well, i think that's right. who does that remind you and me of? that is harry truman in 1948. you know, the beginning of that

year down to the summer, even democrats were saying truman is a loser. we'd better find someone else to run for us. is there any way we can get rid of this candidate who was in his mid 60s, which was considered very old at that time? truman had a new voice when he came to the convention that summer. he got up and said, "i and my running mate, alvin barkley, are going to win this election and make the republicans like it." not only in that speech but all through the fall, it was suddenly not the sort of meek and polite truman of the first several years. it was give 'em hell harry. we've helped with farmers, given help with rent, and fought for nato. that was the year truman signed the nato treaty that in 2024 could not be more important than it has ever been. >> no doubt about it. willie geist, he talked about

nato. he talked about sweden. he talked about all the important parts of his agenda moving forward. time and again, it seems that he put the speaker of the house behind him in an uncomfortable position. it's kind of hard not to cheer for freedom. it's kind of hard not to cheer when somebody says, "we're going to stand up to russian aggression." kind of hard, ivf. you name it, time and time again, republicans were put in this terrible position of having to sit down on issues that the overwhelming majority of americans supported. when they shouted at biden, he gave better than he got. i mean, he went after them time and again. at one point, going, hey, come on, wait a second, read the bill. i know you know how to read, right? >> yeah, and he could not have asked for a better foil in that room last night. i mean, the things he was

looking for applause on, and got them on one side and not the other, were things like putin is bad. we should be helping ukraine. democracy is good. what happened on january 6th was bad. that we need to fix immigration, and there is a bill sitting in the senate that will fix the immigration problem or at least help to fix it. they wouldn't clap for that, even as the cut away to james lankford, of course, the republican who co-authored the bill in the senate, nodding along to president biden and mouthing the words, "that's right," as the president of the united states talked about what the bill would do. i think bigger picture, though, joe, as we know, and we talk about on this show, democrats, supporters even of joe biden, have had the live question going into this campaign, is he up to it? is joe biden up to it? he answered that resoundingly last night with his performance. i think the texts i was begin beginning, people were like,

whew. and then it ended with, wow. people were worried, frankly, about what would happen in the room. he had the perfect opponent. people were screaming like children wearing maga hats. one guy screaming from the back while wearing donald trump's mugshot and never surrender t-shirt under his suit jacket in the well there. so joe biden and his team are very happy with what happened last night. he did contrast his administration's actions with the words and actions of donald trump. never called him donald trump. always said, "my predecessor." in that way, it had the feel of a campaign speech. >> my predecessor, a former republican president, tells putin, quote, "do whatever the hell you want." that's a quote. a former president actually said that. bowing down to a russian leader. i think it is outrageous. it is dangerous, and it is unacceptable. my predecessor and some of you here seek to bury the truth

about january 6th. i will not do that. this is a moment to speak the truth and bury the lies. here's the simple truth. you can't love your country only when you win. my predecessor came to office determined to see roe v. wade overturned. he's the reason it was overturned, is he brags about it. look at the chaos that has resulted. my predecessor failed the most basic presidential duty that he owes to the american people, the duty to care. i think that's unforgivable. past administrations, including my predecessor, including some democrats, as well, in the past, failed to buy american. not anymore. my predecessor and many in this chamber want to take the prescription drug away by repealing the affordable care act. [ crowd booing ] i'm not going to let that happen. [ applause ] the last administration enacted

a $2 trillion tax cut, overwhelmingly benefitting the topping 1%, have for wealthy and the biggest corporations. and exploded the federal deficit. in november, my team began serious negotiations with a bipartisan group of senators. the result was a bipartisan bill with the toughest set of border security reforms we've ever seen. oh, you don't think so? oh mirks oh, my predecessor called members of congress in the senate and demanded they block the bill. he feels it'd be a political win for me and political loser for him. predecessor is watching. instead of playing politics and pressuring members of congress to block the bill, join me in telling the congress to pass it. unlike my predecessor, i know who we are as americans. my predecessor told the nra he's proud he did nothing on guns when he was president.

i made sure that the most advanced american technology can't be used in china, not allowing to trade them there. frankly, for all the tough talk on china, it never occurred to my predecessor to do any of that. >> joe, you did get the sense that speaker johnson wished they could push into a two-shot at certain times, of just the vice president and president, so he didn't have to react. it is shaking his head for donald trump who is watching at home, to tell the boss he's got his back. i mean this as a serious, not a rhetorical question. when the president talks about the bipartisan immigration reform bill, led by james lankford, and they start booing it and shaking their head, what are they booing about? what is speaker johnson shaking his head about? he knows what happened. he called for immigration reform, got it from the senate, and now won't take it up. he's in a box, like you said. >> in a box. why is he shaking his head when joe biden talks about january 6th being such a dark day?

when he talks about the big lie. speaker johnson was, again, one of the key proponents of on the house floor. liz cheney wrote all about it. how do you not stand up when the president of the united states says you want to buy american. you shake your hand at that, buying america? oh, oo-la-la, what a campaign this is going to be. jonathan lemire, i have to say, we have to keep going back to it. joe biden underestimated time and time again. we were having this same conversation after the state of the union last year. people going, oh, maybe, maybe he's not too old. maybe he's not. same now. it'll be the same going into the fall. i mean, democrats certainly, if there were any democrats waiver ing, last night had to make them feel they're in really good shape, especially, i just love how the issues line up.

republicans are on the wrong side of history. they're on the wrong side of the polls. they're on the wrong side of decency on so many of these questions. i'm saying specifically on that front, donald trump. last night, game, set, match to joe biden. >> yeah. and the president got off to such a roaring start. he was so striking right at the beginning. he invokes fdr and the do-nothing congress against making that comparison. he ticks off ukraine, january 6th, abortion at the top. the defense of democracy abroad. the defense of democracy at home. the defense of freedom and rights at home. that right there, those three, there's your campaign. first five minutes of the speech last night, president biden said, this is what the next eight months are going to be about, right here. and, jen palmieri, to nervous democrats who were -- there were a number who were like, can he do this? is he up for it? he answered the call. white house aides were texting me in the days before, confident he would. they told me last year after the state of the union, when, as joe said, he also faced questions

about his age and vitality, he delivered a strong performance, his poll numbers went up. they think it'll happen again today. americans will be less concerned about biden's age and more focused on the contrast biden drew with his predecessor. he invoked the phrase, my predecessor, 13 times. >> i've been in politics 30 years. i never had a night where my phone was exploding. people yesterday were saying, biden campaign? there is no campaign. saying, oh, my god, he knocked it out of the park. you knew about -- it was smart. i'm looking at lemire's notes here. >> please. >> he opened up -- >> cheat sheet for us all. >> -- about what the campaign would be about. in case people only paid attention to the first few minutes. the other thing striking was to say it is a moment to speak the truth. usually you come in and give some quarter to, like, oh, we can all agree on this or that. he's like, no, we don't agree. we don't agree on january 6th, on abortion, and don't agree on ukraine. i am going to speak the truth now, and you all are going to

have to react to it. this is what my campaign is going to be about. last year, you know, this is when -- if people were going to challenge him in the democratic primary, this time last year was when they needed to do it. it was a state of the union that was so strong last year, it made people realize, i'm not challenging this guy. i'm not challenging this guy and the record he has or the vigor he has, the experience he has. last night, i mean, that was even a bigger tour de force. it really felt like president biden came into his own, right? >> oh, no doubt about it. it was his best speech of his presidency, by far. >> by far. >> strongest speech. most importantly, for people that were thinking, oh, he's too old, too this, too that, man, like i said, he gave a lot more than he got. he made these republicans look like fools time and time again. gene robinson, when you and i

were growing up, we would see meadowlark, lemon, curly neal, and they'd humiliate the washington generals day in and day out. >> mm-hmm. >> i see buffoons wearing maga hats, running around, trying to give stickers to the president, and all these other idiots just screaming and yelling and making fools of themselves. i just sat there thinking, i know this is supposed to shock and stun the left or the media or somebody. all it does is make them look like idiots. all it does is help joe biden. they were, and they continue to be, the washington generals playing the harlem globetrotters. that's why the washington generals have lost seven seasons in a row. i keep saying it here, right?

there's a reason they lost in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, '22, '23, and why i keep saying, when people are going, oh, what will happen, joe, they'll lose in 2024. all you had to do was look out on the crowd last night and see how stupid the extreme elements of that party has become. they just keep re-electing biden and democrats. >> yes, they do. how did the washington generals, by the way, never realize that meadowlark lemon had the ball tucked under his jersey, behind him. >> every time. >> they couldn't figure that out night after night. that is very much like the republicans. in fact, you know, biden did his political judo thing again that he did last year. last year, he got the republicans to say they had absolutely no interest in touching social security and medicare. this year, he got them to agree

with him that there shouldn't be an extension of the trump tax cuts. it was just amazing. why do they get into call and response with joe biden? they always lose those. i thought he just completely blew away the biden is too old issue last night. i think he -- to the extent that this issue that has been talked about and hands have been wrung until they're raw over, to the extent that that can be totally dissipated in one night, i think it happened last night. because there was no question that he was vigorous and on top of every issue and able to continue performing the job of president. it got to the point where republicans on the x platform were grumbling that, somehow, he

was speaking too fast. he was too vigorous or whatever. just ridiculous. >> yeah. >> so i think that was it. then, as you said, on the issues, he's lined up with the american people and the republicans are not. he drew those contrasts time and time and time again. i thought it was just a very, very good night for joe biden and for the democratic party looking ahead to november. >> we had, rev, in politics, my office, and i know other offices, but, you know, we're talking about 80/20 issues. people go, should we really do this? i go, this is an 80/20 issue. go out and be shocked and say we'll take this courageous stand. we don't care what anybody says. we're going to do it. we know it's unpopular. but it is an 80/20 issue. that joe, he sure is courageous. a lot of 80/20 issues.

last night, and donald trump's maga extremists always pick the 20 instead of the 80. affordable insulin. i say this as a father of a type one diabetic. had type one diabetes since he was 10 years old. this stuff costs $10 to make. they're charging up to $400. medicare, i limited it to $35. $35. we'll do it for all americans. i was the first president to force pharmaceutical companies to compete with medicare, to save all this money for the american people. like i said before, he talked about buying american. he talked about tax cuts for the richest billionaires and tax cuts for multinational corporations. he wants to take that money and give it to middle class americans, give it to small businesses, give it to entrepreneurs.

i mean, again, everything he was doing, 80/20 issue. then, my god, that's before you even get to abortion, before you even get to ivf, before you even get to 10-year-old girls raped, having to be chased out of their state, women having to sit outside of emergency rooms bleeding out because doctors are too afraid to treat them with life-saving medical care. these are like at least 80/20 issues, and these republicans have chosen the wrong side on every issue. >> he came last night clearly to fight. he did not come in shrinking. he came in, let's go. i'm ready to rumble. in his not only words, but in his performance, and then he ended it with his words. he dealt with whether he had the vigor and whether the age factor

mattered. he took it head on. he also did something that you advised. he addressed where they were. what happened january 6th, right in the chamber. he reminded the american people what happened. when he embraced the affordable care act and obamacare, he made a side joke about what he'd said when it happened, reminding people, he was the co-pilot that brought affordable care act. so he brought up the exact date of the address last night was the actual anniversary of blood bloody sunday, fighting for voting rights. he brought up hbcus. he covered all his bases and handled with real perfection the hecklers, where they became almost like his props. >> they were props to him. >> thank you, mtg. he is going to be sending you flowers or whatever you want. because she played right into

his hands. she always does. at what point will they understand that when they put their hand on the hot stove, it burns? >> it was almost like he would point, you're ready? he mastered them. >> yeah. >> to see him -- >> he plays them. >> yeah, he plays them. to see them last night and compare him to his predecessor as he says, trump, i mean, the eloquence he would capture in moments about what he believed, what he trusted in the future, then you think of trump's last outing where he went incoherent like jackie gleeson on the "honeymooners," ah, ah, alice. >> homina, homina. >> exactly. >> you know he did well when republicans are complaining that he talked too fast and, are you ready for this?

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they need to defend themselves. there are no american soldiers in ukraine, and i'm determined to keep it that way. now, the assistance to ukraine is being blocked by those who want to walk away from our world leadership. wasn't long ago when a republican president named ronald reagan thundered, "mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall." [ applause ] now, now, my predecessor, a former republican president, tells putin, quote, "do whatever the hell you want." that's a quote. a former president actually said that. bowing down to a russian leader. i think it is outrageous. it is dangerous, and it is unacceptable. >> there you go, richard haass. if you are looking for contrast, there is former president trump, first making those infamous

comments about what we would do, relating a story that most certainly didn't happen, but he told it anyway because it started with sir, and then you had the president of the united states inside the congress last night giving the address and quoting ronald reagan. i mean, the way he manipulated the republicans in the room last night, got them to clap for that. then they started booing and whistling when he criticized donald trump. it appears he has the high ground here. not that difficult a place to be, particularly on this issue, in terms of the way republicans have talked about this and supported donald trump's view of the war in ukraine. >> i thought last night the president channelled michael beschloss's talk before, about harry truman. it was a humphrey, happy warrior thing to it, relishing the give and take. the contrast between reagan's tear down the hall and do whatever the hell you want in two sentences, that showed the demise and decline of what was an internationalist republican

party and has become an irresponsible isolationist party. i thought the contrast of those two lines, how the party of reagan, the grand old party, what it's become, i thought he finessed the middle east issues as well as he could. essentially supportive of israel. at the same time, once again, messaging the israelis, use force carefully. let the aid in. we have to have a political solution, move to a two-state solution. sympathetic to israel's need and right to respond to the horrific attacks of october 7th. i thought on the foreign policy side, you know, he was the commander in chief last night. again, the contrast with the isolationism on the other side could not have been more stark. >> the contrast was so great. the contrast between him and his predecessors. jonathan lemire, you're telling me that, obviously, a lot of americans really, really inspired by what he said. said last night, they had their biggest fundraising haul. >> yeah, the biden campaign et

let us know the 9:00 hour was the biggest fundraising hour of the campaign. amending it later saying, actually, the 10:00 p.m. was more. the best two hours of the entire campaign last night. they already walked into yesterday with a massive fundraising advantage over donald trump, who struggled to raise money. also because he had to devote so much of the money he's raised to his legal bills. even prior to last night, democrats feel great about the speech, they felt like they had a significant financial advantage. they're going to be able to bury trump in ads. >> >> again, it ain't nothing that, last night, the 9:00 hour and then the 10:00 hour set fundraising records for a campaign that's already set fundraising records for the most money ever raised. i think, mika, people at home, not just democrats, but i'm sure republicans, moderate

republicans, swing voters, independents, had to really, really like what they heard when donald trump once again had the contrast, time and again. somebody against freedom abroad. somebody that was against freedom at home. that's when joe biden really brought it home. he talked about freedom abroad, but then he talked about freedom at home. and women's freedom. said back to the supreme court, oh, yeah, you say women? they have the right to extreme themselves politically? stand back, because they're just about to do that. >> that was an incredible moment, especially with the members of the supreme court right there. last night, president biden took that issue, as joe said, reproductive rights, head on. he called for a guaranteed right to ivf nationwide and slammed the supreme court for overturning roe v. wade right to their faces. take a look.

>> history is watching another assault on freedom. joining us is social worker from birmingham, alabama. 14 months ago, 14 months ago, she and her husband welcomed a baby girl thanks to the miracle of ivf. she scheduled treatments to have the second child. the alabama supreme court shut down ivf treatments across the state. unleashed by a supreme court decision overturning roe v. wade, she was told her dream would have to wait. but her family, what they went through, shouldn't have happened. but unless congress acts, it could happen again. let's stand up for families like hers. those across the aisle, don't keep us waiting any longer. guarantee the right to ivf. guarantee it nationwide. my predecessor came to office determined to see roe v. wade overturned. he's the reason it was overturned, and he brags about it. look at the chaos that has resulted. many of you in this chamber and

my predecessor are promising to pass a national ban on reproductive freedom. my god, what freedoms else would you take away? look, it's a decision to overturn roe v. wade, the supreme court majority wrote the following, and with all due respect, justices, women are not without electoral power. excuse me, electoral or political power. you're about to realize just how much. [ applause ] those bragging about overturning roe v. wade have no clue about the power of women, but they found out when reproductive freedom was on the ballot. we won in 2022, and we'll win again in 2024. >> what an incredible moment. addressing the supreme court justices right there. hold that thought for a second, and think about everything you just heard for just a moment from president biden last night. compare it now to this.

>> for 54 years, they were trying to roe v. wade terminated, and i did it. i'm proud to have done it. president trump is going to make a determination, what he thinks is great for the country and what is fair for the country. the fact that i was able to terminate roe v. wade after 50 years of trying. they worked for 50 years. i've never seen anything like it. they worked. i was so honored to have done it. well, i did something that nobody thought was possible. i got rid of roe v. wade. by doing that -- [ applause ] by doing that, it put pro lifers in a very strong negotiating position. nobody did a job like i did, including roe v. wade, bringing it back to the states. what i did by killing roe v. wade, which everyone said was impossible. >> wow. jen palmpalmieri, president trus very proud of that accomplishment, of basically creating a women's health care

emergency in the united states. literally life and death health situations for women. talk about being the party of life. they're the party of letting women die slowly or watch their babies die slowly. that's who they are now. president biden took the bull by the horns last night and addressed it head on. he addressed the supreme court head on, unusual, but these are unusual times, aren't they? >> yeah. you just know how -- i mean, it's so prominent in women's minds, men's minds in america. it was the first excerpt they put out, the excerpt about him addressing the supreme court when they put that out in the afternoon. they wanted us to know it would be a focus from the guests the first lady had in her box, you know, someone who had been affected by ivf. other people that had to go out of state to get abortion health care. and, you know, it was just -- it is, as the vice president says

so well, they're telling you that you can't decide when i don't end a pregnancy or when to start a family. you know, when jonathan talked about how they raised a lot of campaign money in the 9:00 p.m. hour, that's certainly what we heard the top of the 9:00 p.m. hour. i have to wonder how much money was raised in the republican response. in terms of how women are going to feel about how that well over. i feel like that'll be something that will be motivating to a lot of women, as well. >> motivating to a lot of women, all of it combined, gene robinson. again, in the areas that matter the most. the atlanta and detroit, milwaukee suburbs, the places where swing voters live, where women play a large, large part there. you know, i am a big believer in anecdotal evidence. i talked about this before. my last birthday, i had my family around. all republicans. all pro life. all evangelicals.

we were sitting there, and 30 minutes in, we're just talking about different things. i think it went from baseball to suddenly somebody said, "hey, did you hear that story about that woman in texas that was bleeding out because the doctors wouldn't" -- and somebody said, "oh, my god. and that woman." i sat. that's where if you're in my job as a politician or, you know, a host on the show here, you try to melt into, you know, the woodwork and you just try to listen. these people, these republicans, these pro lifers, these southern baptists, these evangelicals, had one horror story after another horror story about what terminating roe v. wade was doing to human beings. doing to women. doing to professional women.

doing to housewives. doing to 10-year-old girls. they just sat there going on. at that point, i said, man, when they start telling stories about how devastating an issue is to all these other people, that's when you know it really sinks in. for donald trump to be running around bragging, "i terminated roe v. wade. i terminated roe v. wade. i'm responsible for that woman bleeding out. i'm responsible for that 10-year-old girl being raped, having to be chased from the states. i'm responsible," it's just devastating for him. it's devastating for republicans. we've seen it already since dobbs became the law of the land. >> yeah, we've seen it at every election since then, really. we saw it in the 2022 elections. we've seen it in any special elections there have been between then and now. and i am pretty confident we will see it again in 2024. this is a huge issue.

this isn't a caught the bus issue for republicans. i think you can confidently predict that by, you know, september or october, donald trump will be maintaining that he never heard of roe v. wade. that, you know, he didn't have anything to do with it. it was really these justices and whatever. he's going to have to run away from it because it's a terrible, terrible issue for them. jen palmieri mentioned the contrast that voters, not just women, but that voters saw last night, if they stayed up to watch the republican response. you had joe biden talking about fundamental rights that everyone deserves to have, that women deserve to have as human beings, as americans. you had senator katie britt, for some bizarre reason, they decided to stage her in

apparently her kitchen, which says a lot about how the republican party sees women. then the sort of overdone affect that she had. one instant, she was near tears. the next instant, she was smiling. the next instant, she was, you know, serious. it was all over the map. again, i'm not sure that a lot of people stayed up to watch that, but if they did, whoa. that was at the bobby gindel level, i think, in terms of responses. >> jen palmieri, you followed the online activity of not just democrats but also conservatives and very conservative people. you said that there was a sort of meme they were trying to follow here. >> oh, yeah, yeah. charlie kirk, conservative commentator, he was disappointed in the speech.

i looked at what his responses were like. a lot of his followers were very unhappy with it. there's this thing on tiktok, in particular, called the trad wife, a traditional wife, a woman that very much embraces stay at home mom, great, you know, but presents in a certain way. i feel like that is the cadence and emotion she was going for, what was to present as one of these tiktok moms. you know, claire mccaskill broadcasts on "morning joe" every morning from her kitchen, and it's great. you'd have no idea this woman was a united states senator. you know, a republican man might have done a speech, a response like that from his kitchen, but we would have heard something about being a united states senator and something about governing and something that resembled the truth. that was just wild. i mean, i have never -- and i

was reassured to see that even on the right, people were rejecting whatever it was that they were trying to convey about women's place. >> someone perceived as a rising star among republicans, that donald trump even potentially on the short list for vice presidential nominations. i heard from republicans who said, that wasn't the right tone. overdramatic, you know, and seeming to be missing a real thesis there, other than to say the american dream turned into an american nightmare. the theme of negativity that republicans have seized upon in recent weeks from trump and beyond. >> it doesn't -- the negativity thing doesn't work. doesn't work when, i mean, america's economy is easily number one in the world. first time since the 1960s, unemployment has been below 4%. for two years running. a record number of jobs. a record number jobs created

over the last three years. america is up and running again. its economy is the envy of the world. listen, if you stay in your mother's basement and replay maga clips, you may not know that. but if you start reading newspapers and listening to people who run other countries across the world, they will tell you, america's economy is the envy of the world. economically, we are crushing china. economically, we are crushing russia. to say the american dream has turned into an american nightmare, yeah, a nightmare for the communist chinese. but we don't usually root for them, do we? no. no, we don't. we're glad we're number one. say it together with me.

usa, we're number one. we're number one. i think it was dizzy dean who said, "it ain't bragging if you can do it." right now, the united states is doing it. so all this -- i don't understand this. i think everybody on the maga side needs to just kind of relax. maybe do some mindfulness. download the calm app. in the background, while you're doing your mindfulness and your breathing exercises, okay, in and then hold it down here, right? while you're doing that, play lee greenwood in the background. "proud to be an american." makes me tear up every time i hear it. you know what i found out? >> let's hear it. >> mika tears up every time she tears the song, too. republicans need to start listening to that again. start believing it. >> good song. >> great song.

[ laughter ] >> come on. >> great song. it's like saying tom brady is a good quarterback. great! you know what else is great? >> i like it. >> loving america. it's a great thing. there's so much to love. we've got so much to be proud of in america. these republicans that think they've got to hate america and say it's an american nightmare -- >> stuck in carnage. >> -- they're stuck in carnage. come on, free yourself, baby. >> i don't get it. >> usa, number one. >> have a little optimism. >> do you believe in miracles? yeah, i believe in miracles. usa, usa! eugene robinson, i know you love america. >> yes. >> thank you for being with us. i'll even forgive you for being a michigan fan. >> thanks, gene. >> thanks a lot, joe. i'm sure alabama will get us next year. >> no, no. >> not. >> all right. thank you so much for being with us, gene. we're going to show you another moment the president called out house republicans

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if any of you don't want the money in your districts, just let me know. >> president biden joking around with some of the republican lawmakers who voted against the bipartisan infrastructure bill and then enthusiastically welcomed that money into their districts. joining us now, national co-chair for president biden's re-election campaign, mitch landrieu. he formerly was the infrastructure act coordinator for the biden white house. mitch, good to have you with us this morning. >> thank you. >> your reaction, not just to the substance of the state of the union address last night, but a little bit about what we've been talking about last night, which was some of the doubts, as you know, talking even to democrats and supporters of president biden, of whether he's up for this. and how he answered that last night. as we saw in the last clip, how he poked around with the republicans in the room, as well. >> if you had eyes and ears, you saw a president that was tough, that was smart, that was ready for the fight, that took it to people and talked about the

american people. for two weeks before that, every pundit in america was putting joe biden in the grave. as if 81 was the most important number. the president said, it's not my numerical age but the youth of my ideas. he brought the heat, and he did an unbelievable job last night. what i would like to ask everybody in america is, can we finally put to rest whether joe biden is up to the task of governing this country? listen, as a mayor, i can tell you, there is no congressman, no governor, no ceo in america who can stand up and do what joe biden did last night. it's hard. it requires concentration. i think he also demonstrated to people that we have an existential threat, and we have a choice to make in this country. the choice is really clear. you can choose donald trump, who every time his lips are moving, he's lying and he's delusional. he is hoping america has amnesia about how dark and backward looking he is and how narrow his view is, taking away people's rights. or vote for a president who

delivers, has promised that as a future-looking person, he is optimistic and expanding people's rights in america, and he'll fight for everyday americans opposed to the richest folks in the country. he couldn't have made it clearer, couldn't have done it better, and i thought he hit it out of the park last night. >> mitch, one of the things that i think should not be overlooked is he addressed some of the areas that people were saying that he'd become weaker in. in terms of youth, he emphasized about what he had tried to do with student loans. >> correct. >> then found a way to do it anyway after the supreme court knocked it down. and he addressed voting rights. mentioned john lewis, the anniversary of the march across the edmund pettis bridge. the whole idea, you co-chairing the campaign, of blacks not being as enthusiastic and young people, i think he addressed both in a substantive way, saying, this is what i've done with blacks. this is what i've done for

youth. i think it was subtle but very powerful. was that something you think will help you in those areas in the campaign? >> reverend, agree. we were friends of john lewis. joe biden said many, many, many times he'd not be president without the african-american community. he has demonstrated time and time again by his appointment of kamala harris, the first african-american supreme court justice, funding for hbcus, the elimination of student debt, and, again, fighting hard and telling congress to get off the dime and pass the john lewis voting act. demonstrating what his commitment is. listen, every vote has to be earned. joe biden said something last night, the thing i really liked the most about it, he said, i'm never going to take a knee. we are never going to quit. we are never going to surrender. the question for america is, who is joe biden fighting for, and who is donald trump fighting for? joe biden wakes up every day thinking about other people. he thinks about expanding

rights. he thinks about fighting against big pharma, against the nra. he thinks about fighting against big corporations to make sure they pay their fair share so we can have parental leave, medical leave, have child care, and working folks can have a leg up. donald trump fights for the wealthy 1% in the country. by the way, donald trump is a bad guy. i want to remind everybody since everybody has a little amnesia. when donald trump was in office, we woke up every day thinking, what the hell is he going to do today? or what'd he do in the middle of the night when nobody was looking? 17 cabinet members, including nikki haley, have told us, and this includes general mattis, secretary of defense, mark esper. nikki haley, his u.s. ambassador to the united nations, john kelly, all veterans and national defense people begged us not to put this guy within 100 yards of the white house. he is not fit for the presidency. the issue of fitness last night

for joe biden got put to rest. the issue of fitness for donald trump will be with us forever pause he should not get anywhere close to the oval office again. >> mitchell -- >> my mama calls me mitchell when i'm in trouble. >> you're not in trouble, but this is serious business. super tuesday over. state of the union fantastic, over. lots of money. what's next for the campaign? >> people want to join the campaign, they can go to joebiden.com. we had the biggest fundraising hour last night. the reason why is joe biden showed up and demonstrated to the american people something that richard has been talking about. you have to be strong abroad, and you can be strong at home. the way you do that is you get together with your allies. you continue to be the indispensable nation abroad and protect ukraine. if they fall and nato falls, then we've got a real problem. i laughed a little when donald trump said, if you don't pay your bills, there are consequences. that guy hasn't paid a bill in 50 years. that's hysterical that he said

that. then strong at home. the way you're strong at home, you invest in the american people, in american things. joe said this already, but please let me repeat. under biden's administration, 15 million jobs. under donald trump's administration, he lost 2.5 million jobs. we had the lowest unemployment rate of all time now. >> trump, first president since herbert hoover to have a net loss in jobs. >> that's who he is. he's worse than herbert hoover, all right? you have a stock market that's hit the heights four of five times under joe biden's administration. not nearly that many. in the infrastructure bill right now, where we're investing and rebuilding roads and bridges and airports and ports, waterways, giving everybody high-speed internet, reverend, so a little girl isn't sitting out the back of her mama's car at mcdonald's, doing her homework. so she can become a doctor and teaches us what to do for the maternal mortality rate, providing clean water, all those

things, projects are going on in america. he is putting people back to work in america, high-paying union jobs. this is the greatest comeback story we've seen in a long time. i think the president took that to the american people last night. again, he confronted the supreme court very directly on roe versus wade and women's rights, which i think is going to be a critically important issue. two reasons. one, it is about expanding people's freedoms, not taking them away, which is what they did when they were reversing roe versus wade. and talk about how this leads to the extremism that the president has been warning about. look, you're from the south. i'm from the south. we grew up with conservative people. but the maga wing of the republican party is a whole other thing. you have a bunch of folks in this country that grew up like you and i grew up. >> right. >> that consider themselves to be republicans and conservatives that don't think that police officers, like in ohio, should be able to go into a woman's home and look in her toilet to see if she had a miscarriage. the pain that causes women in this country is incredible. now in texas, you have the issue that they highlighted last night, and now in alabama.

you have this incredible thing where there's some people in the republican party that think the government should tell you that you have to have a child, when to have a child, how to have a child. even if your life is in danger or if it was rape or incest, you're out of luck. >> even if -- >> then they tell them, then they tell them they can't have a child. >> right. >> what i'm trying to figure out, why do they it's their damn business anyway? women are smart enough to make this decision with their doctors, pastor, and partners, to figure this out. the president said, when the supreme court said women have the power to vote and they can exercise the vote, he said, you're about to find out. he brought the heat last night, brought it directly. he is doing great. >> national co-chair for president biden's re-election campaign, mitch landrieu, thank you. >> joebiden.com, go sign up. ready to rumble. top of the hour. in fact, may have got a little

excited. we're about five minutes past the top of the hour. we thank ya. >> that was not you this time. >> we thank you, mr. mayor. god bless ya. god bless ya. >> globetrotters. >> yeah. exactly. do the whistle real quick. >> absolutely. [ whistling ]. >> there we go, we got it. >> you have to get back to work. >> we greatly appreciate it. richard, before i go back to mika for the top of the hour, richard, you talked about -- well, there were strains of abraham lincoln last night. i think in '62, his state oft the union address, he said, we cannot escape history, right? we will be remembered in spite of ourselves for what we do here. joe biden kept going back to that theme last night. history is watching. your children and grandchildren will remember what we do here now. so powerful. >> so powerful, that refrain. also essential.

joe, think about it. for most of our lives, presidential elections, the similarities between the candidates were much greater than the differences. we're about to have an election in this country in eight months where the differences are far greater than the similarities. this will be a truly consequential election. a lot will flow from it. american voters need to understand, not only that they need to vote, they've got to get out and vote and be informed. this has enormous stakes. that's what i liked about the president last night. this was not your run of the mill election. >> right. >> this will have -- you got a candidate who wants to deconstruct the architecture of the world, that for 75 years served us well. here at home, he wants to break down a lot of what makes this a democratic country. he's hosting viktor orban, trump, the signal of illiberal democracy. >> if you want to know what donald trump will do if he's

re-elected again, look what orban has done. a man who bragged about destroying western democracy in his country. bragging about being illiberal, breaking up the courts, breaking up news coverage, going after free speech. you name it, he's doing it. that's who donald trump worships. that's who donald trump wants to be in his second term. mika, very powerful last night. the reviews strong for joe biden. talking about strengthening freedom at home and strengthening freedom abroad. two things that donald trump opposes just outright. as joe biden says, just look at his words. look at what he said. it's all out there. >> right. well, he was able to manage two realities at the same time. a lot of people are talking about this being one of the finest moments of joe biden's

presidency. he contrasted trump in every way, every step of the way in his speech last night. and it was joyful. it was optimistic. it had the presentation of someone who really understood the issues and could handle the extreme division in the room, in his face. if republicans weren't actually yelling at him, they were seething. he took them head on on every issue. and securing the southern border was one of the issues where he took on republicans, with the president calling on them to pass the senate's bipartisan bill. but the president was interrupted and heckled by a house republican who kept shouting about laken riley, a nurse in georgia who was murdered. a venezuelan man who was in the u.s. illegally is accused of killing her. take a look at this exchange.

>> in november, my team began serious negotiations with a bipartisan group of senators. the result was a bipartisan bill with the toughest set of border security reforms we've ever seen. oh, you don't think so? oh, you don't like that bill, huh? that conservatives got together and said was a good bill? i'll be darned, that's amazing. that bipartisan bill would hire 1,500 agents and officers. 100 more immigration judges to tackle the backload of too many cases. 4,300 more asylum officers and new policies to resolve cases in six months instead of six years now. [ applause ] what are you against? 100 more high-tech drug detection machines to significantly increase the ability to screen and stop

vehicles smuggling fentanyl into america. that's killing thousands of children. this bill would save lives. bring order to the border. it'd also give me and any new president new emergency authority to temporarily shut down the border when the number of migrants at the border is overwhelming. the border patrol unit endorsed this bill. the federal chamber of -- yeah, you're saying, oh, look at the facts. i know -- [ applause ] i know you know how to read. i believe that given the opportunity for a majority in the house and senate would endorse the bill right now, a majority right now. unfortunately, politics has derailed this bill so far. i'm told my predecessor called members of congress in the senate to demand they block the bill. he feels political win he viewed as a win for me and a political

loser for him. it's not about him. it's not about me. i'd be a winner, not really. >> laken riley. [ booing ]. >> lincoln riley, an innocent woman killed by an illegal. that's right. how many thousands of people have been killed by legals? to her parents, i say, my heart goes out to you, having lost children myself. i understand. but look, if we change the dynamic at the border, people pay these smugglers 8,000 bucks to get across the border. because they know if they get by, if they get by and let into the country, it's six to eight years before they have a hearing. it's worth taking the chance with the $8,000. but, but if it's only six weeks,

the idea is it is highly unlikely that people will pay that money and come all the way, knowing that they'll be able to be kicked out quickly. folks, i would respectfully suggest my republican friends owe it to the american people, get this bill done. we need to act now. >> joining the conversation, we have the host of the podcast "on brand with donny deutsch," donny deutsch. member of "the new york times" editorial board mara gay. former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner. and former republican congressman carlos curbelo of florida. he is an msnbc political analyst. of course, jonathan lemire is back with us, as well. and, joe, to cap off that moment, talking about the border bill, joe biden owned the republicans in every day. as he was listing what the bill would do, including, including

shut down the border if it became overwhelmed, you had a shot of one of the authors of the bill, republican, hard core conservative senator james lankford, saying, "yes, that's true." it was an incredible night for the president. i don't know if the republicans truly understood just how negative they looked. >> yeah. it was like sort of the han solo moment, where he goes, "it's true, all of it. it's true." i mean, how would you like, willie, to be mike johnson? where joe biden states facts, just facts. they're not even political debate. it's not like, hey, i am for, you know, more of this or that. no, just states facts. mike johnson has to go, no. we're in washington, d.c.

we're in america. i mean, it was -- it was a sad, sad, pathetic night. mika said before, that republicans were seething. there were a couple that pretended like they were seething. i've spent some time on the floors during state of the unions. i can tell when a party is scared and the other party is, like, leaning forward. last night, man, that was about as lopsided in all the state of the unions i've been in, sat in, watched, that was as lopsided as i've ever seen. those republicans were not happy at the world that donald trump created for them and that they now have to campaign in over the next six, seven, eight months. >> yeah, you watched speaker johnson back there. he is a prisoner of donald trump. everything president biden was saying up there was true, but he still had to shake his head because they have ceded the high ground on immigration in that

case and many other issues to the president of the united states. in many ways, the campaign and the white house can't believe its luck. all of a sudden, joe biden is the one who gets to talk tough on immigration. we have to fix the border, close it down. speaker johnson shakes his head. he said, we have legislation brought by one of your most conservative members, james lankford, who had to feel like a lonely man in the hall last night, as he listened to his caucus boo to the legislation he worked months to get, the toughest they've seen in months. speaker johnson had to shake his head anyway, theatrically. there was a lot of bad theater acting last night before, during, and after the speech. as we pointed to before, joe, in the republican party, not their strength. this is a position that joe biden now can enjoy, standing up there, looking into that room as

petulant children are yelling at him, as a guy in the back is wearing a donald trump never surrender t-shirt, mugshot, dutifully defending donald trump. on issues like russia and democracy and january 6th was bad, things that apparently now, republicans cannot agree with. >> he couldn't even say -- mike johnson, when biden talked about january 6th, shaking his head, like that was a matter of debate over whether that was a bad day for america. donny, sum it up. what was your take last night. >> do you know who pooky is? social media phenomenal. her and her husband, every night, she has a dress, showing outfits. he goes, you're fire, pooky. joe biden was fire. he did exactly what he had to do. >> that was a long and winding road on the political analyst.

>> pooky. >> okay, i guess. >> he literally answered the one question. is he old enough? is he strong enough? he was on fire. he is fiery joe. the issues, joe, as you pointed out, watching this, you go, wait a second, every issue is for the democrats, whether it's abortion, whether it's health care, whether it is ukraine, whether it is democracy, whether it is january 6th, whether it is immigration. every issue. i don't think -- have you been answering questions about issues with joe biden? no. what is the question you've been answering? does he have the strength, the energy? he was on fire last night. he answered the one question he had to answer. i said, he has to act angry. no, fiery. that's what he did. the other thing he did, there was one moment that goes in the opposite direction. there was a calm to it, when he said, you know, they'll try to take your affordable health care away. he leans in and quietly goes, i'm not going to let that happen. there was a calm. there was a comfort in that. i think he did it all. it was a bravo performance. it really was.

>> mara, i notice you did not bring plastic fruit or a portable kitchen behind you when you came here this morning. you weren't swept up by the republican response, i take it. >> oh. >> but the entire night, it did seem that, again, republicans were just on the wrong side of the issues, the wrong side of the polls, on the wrong side of history. >> you know, watching that republican response made my skin crawl, honestly. it was just -- at the end, i kind of had to rewind to listen to what she was saying because all i could kind of hear was, but the kitchen is my favorite place to be. of course, you know, god bless. that's fine. but that should not be the future that's predetermined for every woman in america. that, apparently, is what republicans want to see from women in this country. they want to strip away our rights.

they want to be our doctor, our priest, our pastor, our father. no, thank you. okay, this is 2024. not 1900. i don't know what country she's living in, katie britt, but the one i'm living in is one in which we still have our votes and an equal say in what happens to our bodies. i think it was a really important thing to watch because it was a chilling reminder of the future that republicans apparently see for this country. >> yeah. >> it was offensive. also, i just cannot imagine that that is what most americans want. so in that sense, it was a little bit reassuring, i think donny is right. you know, listening to joe biden last night, i only -- i couldn't help but think, he needs to be out talking like this all the time. >> he really does.

>> not just one shot. >> it's got to be all the time. >> he needs to be giving speeches. he needs to be out there a lot. the contrast between joe biden and donald trump just so stark in every way. president biden touted the economic recovery that has been taking place during his time in office since the covid pandemic. take a look. >> four years ago next week, before i came into office, the country was hit by the worst pandemic and the worst economic crisis in a century. remember the fear? record losses. remember the spikes in crime and the murder rate, raging virus? it took more than 1 million american lives, of loved ones, millions left behind. mental health crisis of isolation and loneliness. a president, my predecessor, failed the most basic presidential duty that he owes to american people, the duty to care.

i think that's unforgivable. the economy is on the brink then, and now it's the envy of the world. 15 million new jobs in just three years, a record. a record. unemployment. 50 year lows. record 16 million americans are starting small businesses, and each one is a little act of hope. historic job growth and small business growth for black and hispanics and asian-americans. 800,000 new manufacturing jobs in america and counting. >> i mean, look at mike johnson. you look at the response. it's like the jv team. they've trotted out the jv team. or, as i said earlier, the washington generals against the harlem globetrotters. this is not even close.

but, steve, economics, let's talk about the numbers. it is really stark. it's stark especially when donald trump doesn't get a pass for covid. for some strange reason, every time you talk about the economy, you know, trump people go, oh, but let's talk about how it was before covid. no, let's talk about how it was going into covid, when donald trump wasted six months, nine months talking about bleach, talking about lights, talking about how there were -- there's only one person or two people coming in from china, and they're gone. let's just talk about the economy. you've got a guy that set records for the number of jobs created in this country over the past three years, versus the first president since herbert hoover to lose jobs while he was president. >> look, the president, biden, did a great job of highlighting the contrast between him and what trump did during covid and the million dead americans. i think he also was really smart

to start the speech with some of the issues where he could command a greater support. ukraine, january 6th, abortion. economy is tricky because he doesn't poll well on the economy, but i think he did a fantastic job of laying it out. most jobs created per month of any president in history, even if you take out the jobs that came back right after covid. 3.7% unemployment rate. stock market at a record. corporate profits at a record. he did a great job of laying that out and balancing between defending the economy, where the poll numbers aren't where they need to be, what he deserves, and also looking ahead at the agenda, here's what i want to do. tax increases for the wealthy, prescription drugs, health care, so on and so far. people will say, well, he's not going to get all that passed. yeah, that wasn't the point. the point was this is his vision of what he wants to do. it is a positive vision with a lot of good ideas of things we should do. that'll be contrasted with

trump. the last point i want to make is he was really careful not to engage in class warfare. he said, i'm a capitalist. he said, i believe in business. they just have to play by the rules. they have to pay their fair share of taxes. that'll really help him broaden his base. >> it was a great balance, though. >> that's my point. >> because there was a populist angle to this, which i liked very much. when he's talking about, you know, making billionaires, making multinational corporations pay more than 8%, 8.5% in taxes. make them pay as much as a schoolteacher or a cop working the beat or a firemen. i thought that was really strong. i thought it was very strong that he talked about corporations needing to pay their fair share, but then saying, i come from delaware. i've got more corporations in my state than all of you combined. i don't hate corporations. i don't hate capitalism. but it needs to be fair for

working americans. you know, this is something that i've been waiting for democrats to do for a very long time. go after the free ride that trump gave billionaires and multinational corporations. say, they need to pay their fair share, and we're going to give a break to working americans. we're going to give a break to middle class americans, the small business owners, to entrepreneurs. he did it last night. >> that's the point. the trump tax cuts gave 85% of their benefits to corporations and people making over $75,000 a year. he needs to keep on that point. the tax cuts didn't come close to paying for themselves. trump put more debt on than any president in american history. i think even businesspeople would agree with the point that 8.5% is not the right tax rate for billionaires. so he did it in a very measured way, where he didn't come across, as i said, as against

capitalism or as a class warrior. he came across as someone who is fighting for the average american. >> president biden had three major goals last night. first was to sell his record, do a better job of communicating his record on the economy and otherwise. he did that. second was to prove that the vitality, the vigor, that he is up for the job, as we've been discussing all morning. he certainly did that. willie, the third thing was to lay out this contrast between himself and donald trump. he never used trump's name. he invoked the phrase, my predecessor 13 different times on a variety of issues, including the biggest, the contours of the campaign. reproductive rights. they're going to be about democracy and january 6th. they're going to be about ukraine. president biden last night, time and time again, made it clear whose side he was on. >> yeah, and we talked about this 24 hours ago on "morning joe" about how the president needed to talk about january 6th, standing inside that chamber that was defiled on january 6th, 2021. early in the address, the

president did bring up the january 6th on the capitol, criticizing republicans for whitewashing the violence that took place that day. >> history is watching. just like history watched three years ago on january 6th. when insurrectionists stormed the capitol and placed a dagger to the throat of democracy. many of you were here on this darkest of days. we saw with our own eyes the insurrectionists were not patriots. they'd come to stop the peaceful transfer of power, to overturn the will of the people. january 6th lies about the 2020 election and the plots to steal the election posed a great, grave threat to u.s. democracy since the civil war. but they failed! america stood! [ applause ]

america stood strong, and democracy prevailed. we must be honest, the threat to democracy must be defended. my predecessor and some of you here seek to bury the truth about january 6th. i will not do that. this is a moment to speak the truth and bury the lies. here's the simple truth, you can't love your country only when you win. >> joining us now, the chair of the house democratic caucus, congressman pete aguilar of california. he was a member of the january 6th committee. thanks for being here. it is jarring no matter how many times we've watched it this morning to watch the president of the united states during the state of the union say, "january 6th was bad, but true patriots won and democracy survived." and to see the speaker of the house over the president's left shoulder smirking at first, then shaking his head, and then sitting on his hands and refusing to applaud that.

i guess that's where the republican party is right now. >> that's just who they are, willie. it was an important moment in the speech. i thought the president absolutely nailed it in protecting democracy, but also pointing out the hypocrisy of those of our colleagues across the aisle who still, you know, continue to this day to apologize for donald trump and to call these, you know, insurrectionists and to just, you know, give them more credit than they should have. it is just, you know, wild to me that they still do that. the january 6th committee was very methodical, very clear. we went through hours and hours of testimony. the result was clear. you guys have talked about it. donald trump tried to stop a free and fair election. there are people in that room who don't believe that that happened. it's shocking. but i thought the president was

incredibly clear, especially by calling on everyone in every zip code to protect democracy. join in this effort. the moment where he said, you know, it's not just a good election when you win, you know, that was important. i thought it was at his best last night. >> obviously, speaker johnson, job one for him is to please the boss, donald trump, so he cannot even applaud and agree that january 6th was a bad day. really striking. congressman, i'm curious about your sense of the room last night, what it was like. listen, you know, you're a democrat. you talk to your voters, to supporters, people who do like joe biden, who support joe biden, but they do worry about his age at 81 years old. came out with energy. came out forcefully from the beginning. it lasted throughout 67 minutes of the speech. ad-libbed some lines, took it up with the crowd a little bit, fought with some republicans with a smile on his face. what was your sense of the tone

in the room? >> i thought joe biden did an incredible job. that is just who he is. he led with empathy. he was compassionate. he was forceful. he was clear. he laid out a positive vision while talking about all of the work that we have done. the importance of talking about the bipartisan proposals, both that we have passed but also bipartisan proposals that republicans continue to bat away now, that was important. in the room, i thought the energy was great. i thought the president did an amazing job. everyone there, you know, we were standing. we were applauding. we were thankful that he was laying out a positive vision. that's just who joe biden is. you know, leading with empathy, standing for his values, defending democracy, defending

abortion, and laying out a positive vision. i thought joe biden did everything he needed to do last night, and it was a great speech. >> certainly got a boost in fundraising and perhaps enthusiasm from democrats. congressman pete aguilar of california. congressman, thanks. we always appreciate your time. former congressman carlos curbelo, let's get your take on this. you've seen a few of these with your own eye. you've been in the room for many of them. how was this different from what we have seen before? obviously, it was combative coming from the president. it felt, in many ways, although he didn't use donald trump's name, like a campaign speech. a contrast with him, a stark one, and donald trump. >> that's right, willie. it was certainly extraordinary in terms of how much a political opponent was referenced in a state of the union. i'm sure those 13 references are a record, at least for a modern state of the union. but i think president biden knows what he has to do in this campaign. this election can't be a

referendum on president biden, and it shouldn't be. he's running against someone who was president and who also has a record. so what joe biden is trying to do is set up that choice for the american people to make. remind the american people that coalition that came out to vote against donald trump and his movement in 2018, in 2020, and in 2022 in some swing states, remind that coalition why they voted against donald trump, why they chose joe biden in 2020. that's what he tried to do last night. of course, he checked the boxes. the most important one of showing vigor, showing he is up for the job, that he has a capacity to serve another four years. there have been a lot of question marks surrounding that. it was extraordinary, but it is a speech that joe biden needed to deliver, given his political circumstances. i want to turn back briefly to the issue of immigration. this is an issue that i spent a lot of time on while i was in

congress, and i ranmigration po like senators lankford, sinema, and murphy have. since day one of the biden administration, president trump and republicans have given them an opening. i couldn't believe that president biden was able to go on offense on the immigration issue. it is because donald trump called congressional republicans, as president biden said, and told them, "don't move this compromise forward because it is going to hurt me politically." now, republicans have to share in the burden of what has happened at the southwest border over the last three years. they are refusing to allow this compromise to move forward. >> how would you recommend the president keep this momentum going? he is going to hit the road today, pennsylvania.

tomorrow, georgia. two key swing states after the state of the union. issues like immigration, the other matters we heard last night, defending democracy, even addressing concerns about his age. what would be your recommendation for him going forward as the campaign now fully launches? >> well, again, i thought it was extraordinary that he was willing to be so explicit at the state of the union about the choice. we're still eight months away. a state of the union is typically a platform that isn't as political as it was last night, but this is an extraordinary time in american politics, jonathan. you know that. you've covered this more than anyone here today. we know what the stakes are. joe biden has to go out there and continue to be explicit. he's got to own some of the more difficult parts of his record. i mean, immigration is not a comfortable issue for democrats. most americans are frustrated with what has happened at the border, but he has to say, look, i understand that people are

frustrated with immigration. i understand that people have been frustrated with inflation. here's what we're doing. most importantly, here's the alternative, right? on immigration, someone who literally says, you know, i'd rather keep the chaos at the border. i'd rather, you know, block good policy because i think it is good for me politically. biden has to continue being explicit and lay out the choice to the american people. >> carlos, as always, thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. donny, moving forward, what does joe biden do moving out of this, i think, unqualified success? >> excuse me. it was a stunning success. it's a reset button, and it does a few things. number one, he keeps up that kind of fiery way. i think that style is as important as substance for this guy. and the contrast, you know, we keep talking on the show about contrast. you never saw it more last night

than him and the coconuts in the audience screaming and saying silly things. let the contrast be donald trump saying this country sucks. joe biden saying, i'm hopeful for the future. i believe in it. remember the control and chaos, the good guys and the bad guys? that's the two parties. one is about control. one is about chaos. keep putting the contrast up. keep being fiery. great reset button. >> mara? >> i agree. he needs to be out much more saying this. i also thought that that moment in which joe biden said, give me a congress, a democratic congress, and i will make roe v. wade the law of the land. that is an exceptionally powerful argument because it helps connect for everyday voters that we need to have every american vote, not just for president, but also for congress. congress is extremely important. it really helps drive home the need for engagement.

it is a reason for people to show up at the polls. a lot of democratic voters are weary. we talk a lot about that. but it's pretty motivating, i think. >> how did he do, do you think, on the gaza question, especially for younger voters that drifted away from him over the last three to six months? >> he's got to say more. i still think showing -- you know, biden is a very empathetic person. so when he comes out and he says what needs to be said, it is compelling. but this can't be a one-off. >> right. >> he's got to be out there talking to voters on the campaign trail, and that's what's going to convince people that he is up to the job, that he has the same empathy for palestinians that he has for israelis. that is what is going to convince americans. i think it's still not enough on the gaza question. i mean, this has been months, unfortunately, of horrific headlines out of gaza and the suffering of the palestinian

people. i think it is just going to take some time for biden to kind of break through that. but he can do that. we saw last night, he is capable of it. >> steve, final thoughts? >> since i'm the money guy, i'll make a money point. which is, biden had his best two hours of online fundraising he's had last night in the 9:00 and 10:00 hours. trump has money problems. when you see the february numbers, i think it'll show that. that's good news for him. the last point on the economy, there is often a lag between reality and people's perceptions. the reality is clearly getting better. best economy in the world. no question about it. people are beginning to understand that. i think you'll see that start to filter through in the public opinion polls which will give him a headwind, hopefully, and a tailwind. >> mara gay, donny deutsch, and steve rattner, thank you.

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that is a beautiful, live picture of new york city on a friday morning at 7:44, looking south from the top of our building at rockefeller center. new york city commuters are seeing uniform soldiers on subway platforms. governor kathy hochul's decision to employ 750 national guard troops to patrol the subway follows a recent string of

violent attacks in the nation's largest public transit system. here's some of what governor hochul told us yesterday on "morning joe" about her decision. >> i can show you all the statistics in the world and say, you should feel safe because the numbers are better, but you're the mom on the subway with your baby in a stroller. you're the parent putting your kid on the subway to go to high school. you're the senior citizen going to a doctor appointment. if you're anxious, then i'm the governor of the state of new york city -- new york, i'm concerned about it. if you have a uniform to prevent someone from bringing a gun or knife on the subway, that's why i did it. >> governor hochul yesterday on "morning joe." joining us now, chief of patrol john chell. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> before the national guards men were put in the subways along with 250 state troopers, crime was down because of your surge of nypd officers down into the subway over the last month

or so. but what does this additional 1,000 soldiers and officers mean to the safety of the subway? >> listen, we greatly appreciate the help from the governor. she's been a great partner with the mayor in crime reduction in the subway. i just want to put it into perspective. we had a couple high-profile events. we don't want it to take over the narrative of transit. in january, crime was up 40%. that's a big number, 48%. the reason was we lost resources from the last january. the last five weeks, with the cops back in the system, crime is down 12%. that's six crimes a day we're trying to battle. that's the numbers, but people need to feel safe. we'll take the help, layering the approach of what people see, the bag checks, it's not a magic bullet but crime is coming down in transit. we think in a couple weeks,

we'll be in a good place. >> chief, you know, yesterday when we had the governor on, we talked about this. i thought it was a great thing. yeah, help the cops. nypd needs all the help they can get. like you said, we'll take it. then i asked her about, just, i think the stupidity of bail reform and what the hell it caused new yorkers. especially the truly disadvantaged new yorkers. rev and i talk about this all the time. people of color have suffered disproportionately because some woke people in park slope and in albany got together and decided, hey, we're going to change human nature. well, willie and the governor and i, we were talking yesterday about recidivism. actually, it's not this great,

huge class of new criminals. it's a small group of people doing the same things over and over again. talk about that. >> that's their main point about everything we do here. when bail reform was put forth, there were good pieces in it. people shouldn't sit in jail because they stole a bag of chips because they can't afford the bail. speedy trial, people deserve it. then the reforms, if someone commits a crime against private property, the second time, bail can be asked for and bail should be set. the only thing with bail reform that hasn't changed and must be is the discovery for the district attorney's office. it's hampering the ability to go after recidivists. two numbers that will make you feel uncomfortable. retail theft, a big problem in the city last year, coming down but still a problem. 542 people were locked up for theft in new york city last

year. they've been arrested 7,600 times. >> crazy. >> that's recidivism. the transit conductor that got his neck sliced while he peeked out the window to do his job, last year, 38 people were locked up for assaulting train workers. most conductors. they were arrested over 1,100 times. so if the recidivism was working, when the process works, it's great. when cops do their job, the d.a.s and the judges do they job, elected officials do they job, the process works. >> yeah. >> some of these criminals, the numbers i gave you, shouldn't have the opportunity to commit more crimes. recidivism is the issue. again, it's a very small segment of the population of new york city. >> yeah, it's a small population in new york city. >> rev you and i talk about it all time, we talked about it like the chief said, there are parts that really work and other parts of bail reform that just

make new york a less safe place and make neighborhoods a less safe place, especially for people of color. and it just -- and wasn't it interesting she also talked -- the governor yesterday -- talked about how the judges down here need to be tougher because you look at the numbers up state they don't have the rotating doors the judges down here need to toughen up on crime. >> i think what the governor was showing was the politics involved because a lot of the judges down here respond to the politics. and i think that chief, you and i were talking, a lot of it is perception, because you give hard numbers. but the perception is that crime is out of hand and a lot of where people like me advocate, the perception is there's going to be a return to stop and frisk, there's going to be a return to things that are unfair in communities of color.

when the governor said yesterday we're going to make sure that that's not going to happen, and i think sometimes the perception that many of us are saying we don't care about crime when, in fact, we're the victims of crime. if judges were brought into this whole confers of bail reform and we had a balanced view, the people like me saying wait a minute you can't hold a guy for $50 and stuff would be a lot different, that is not happening. i think we have some latte liberals at the top think they're smarter than all of us. >> you're right. a small population we're talking about. and these people need to be removed from the street because these are the people causing the angst, affecting the crime numbers. that perception you're talking about. but a new yorker on a train, look at the woman who hit the cello player in the head, walked up and whacked him. he's playing music.

da asked for bail she walked out of the courtroom. people read that and that's the reality of what's going on here and what happened the other day, she got arrested for stealing. >> why do judges keep letting them out? >> we can't blame, the da, the state legislature, the police, there's one more entity, the judge, we have to have practical conversations what is going on? why did you let this person walk out the door? three weeks ago, person on a train, 28 convictions, he's a pick pocket. bronx da asked for high bail, the judge let him walk out the door. the judge probably doesn't take the train but those going to work in the morning, this person is out there. >> he's a predator.

>> exactly. >> and the judge lets him out. >> what else is the nypd need right now? i know mayor adams asked for funding for police overtime, the governor opted not to do that. the mayor did not attend the announcement when she sent national guard troops into the subway. >> him and the governor have been partners in crime reduction. and i don't want to lose the fact we have the safest city in the world. our transit system, 4 million riders, 6 felonies a day. but we need the process to work, the stakeholders to do their job. if the judges do their job with the bad recidivists we are not having this conversation right now. we don't talk about shootings and murders anymore in new york city are we? we're talking about property crimes and assaults. so all the stakeholders have to be on board. and we'll get it way, way low

and we won't be having this conversation. >> let us hope. seems to be going in the right direction but there's still so much more that needs to be done. thank you for coming here chief. >> it's a pleasure. i love this format, the round table having a conversation over a cup of joe. >> over a cup of joe. i don't know if it's good for either one of your reputations, but you and rev working together -- the brand goes down on both sides guys. >> he sat closer to me last time. >> even when they cuff me at demonstrations we can still talk. >> yes. yes. >> thank you so much. >> pleasure to be here. >> thank you for your service. please thank everybody. >> i'll thank the team. nypd chief of patrol john shell, thank you. coming up, nancy pelosi standing by with her reaction to president biden's state of the union address. but first willie, what do you

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welcome back to "morning joe." a live look at the capital where the state of the union took place last night. and joining us this morning is speaker nancy pelosi of california. madame speaker always good to have you on the show. could the president have drawn a starker contrast last night between him and his predecessor, mentioning his predecessor many times. you could see the elephant in the room, if you know what i mean, the elephant, of course, being donald trump. what did you make of the republican response to everything that the president had to say, if you didn't have a chance to watch the republican response?

i'm talking about the republican response in the room. >> well, good morning, mika. and it's wonderful to be with you on international women's day. and i congratulate you and thank you for your leadership and now you're globally doing all this. and i think the president in his remarks last night was honoring women in a very significant way in terms of policy. what really, frankly, we were watching last night was the president. his command of the issues. his forcefulness and how he presented it all. whatever the decision was on the part of the republicans to respond or not was their decision. but what we were concerned about was how the american people responded to president biden last night. and they did in a very positive way. the -- when the president came in, we were so excited to see him -- his welcome was

overwhelming. but what's more important is after he spoke it was more overwhelming. and you'll -- what we saw is what we will continue to see. a message is only as important as it is repeated and reinforced not only by the principal but by the members of congress as well throughout the country. so it was a triumphant evening regardless of the republican response. >> well, the democrats in the room were certainly charged up and boldly and loudly supporting the president. what does the democratic party need to do moving forward after a great night like last night. >> i think it's really important, thank you for asking, to have reinforcement of the message. as the president indicated very clearly the state of the union was solid. that is to say the jobs are up to the tune of what did he say

15 million and still counting. wages are up, unemployment is down, inflation is down, we still have to do more. so i think what's important about the message is, we're proud of what has been done but elections are about the future and he talked about what needs to be done next. and that's the message we must reinforce. some of what comes next springs from what we have done in terms of the infrastructure bill and the chips bill and the rescue package and the pact act and the ira, the inflation reduction act in terms of saving the plant and reducing the cost of prescription drugs. so more needs to be done. but the message of where we go from here, the president was clear in the distinction he made, they want to take us backwards in terms of even our personal liberties we want to go forward in terms of all opportunities for all americans.

especially the middle class and those who aspire to it. >> i want to ask you about speaker mike johnson. you have daughters, i have daughters. i saw a lot of familiar eye rolling happening last night during the president's speech. he was eye rolling a lot. i'm curious working alongside as a members of congress, seeing him as speaker, a position you held twice, making history, do you think there's room for compromise on foreign aid or any of these pressing issues? >> i certainly hope so. moving forward to keep government open and that is a compromise. and there has to be a recognition that we have a democratic president, we have a democratic senate, and we have a republican house. so there has to be a negotiation and there has to be compromise. and so far, well, yesterday we passed legislation -- i mean, this week we passed legislation to keep some of government open

and now we'll go forward with that and i'm optimistic with that. but what is necessary right now is to have the support to go to ukraine, to have the humanitarian assistance go to gaza, to have the package, the security package that the president had that addresses the security, keeping our borders secure, as well as keeping our democracy secure. and that is really what has to happen next. and i do -- i'm optimistic that there's enough support on the republican side to get that done. and we have to do it in a timely fashion. so by the time we leave here for passover and easter, we can rejoice and the glorious feast that is my favorite that we have helped people throughout the world to protect democracy. to protect ourselves at home, and honor our commitment to the

people of ukraine. >> madame speaker the cameras caught you last night speaking to minority leader, mitch mcconnell. please if you will share that conversation if you like. but setting that aside, we want to get your take as to mcconnell who's been so sharply critical of donald trump in the past but this week endorsed him anyway. >> well, again my conversation with leader mcconnell was personal in terms of extending my sympathy on the loss of a family member. so sad. and i know elaine and i've met many of her sisters and i know how close they all are. it's quite a sad situation. in terms of mitch politically, now we're talking -- he and i have had paralegal time, 20 years i was speaker or leader and approximately the same time he was leader on their side. but at the same time i was the

top democrat he was top republican on foreign ops. so we worked together, sometimes we agreed sometimes we didn't but you see how strong he has been on ukraine. the sad part of it is mitch mcconnell knows full well that the president was guilty of a crime on january 6th. he knew that what was happening was wrong in terms of this beautiful capitol being assaulted but not just the physical building, what happens here, our constitution. our ability to honor our oath of office to have a peaceful transfer of power. he even spoke to that eloquently on the floor. but then he wouldn't allow a bipartisan commission to be formed, do me a personal favor, don't vote for something to investigate this. we had our own january 6th we were not going to let this go unanswered. so for him to know how bad the president's predecessor was on all of this, and then come to

the conclusion that he would endorse him when we thought he was going to convict him, the word was he was close to conviction and now he's endorsing. it's really very, very sad. and it's a sad conclusion to a career of strategic -- again mostly we didn't agree but i was respectful of the view that he brought forth and how we could work together. it's really -- in my view, a sad, professional tragedy that he had to come around. why would he do such a thing? perhaps he'll explain it to the world. in the meantime, we have an election coming up. we have a great president. he made a forceful -- showed command of the issues in a way his predecessor wouldn't have the faintest idea to do. we're legislators working with the president to sign a bill to inspire a vision and the

contrast could not be greater. the other side has no knowledge. the only thing they know how to do is give tax breaks to the wealthiest people and our country. as the president said last night, $2 trillion to the national debt and what is one of the arguments we have to keep government open are we going to feed the children 1234 do we have enough money to feed the children for w.i.c. women, infant and children. so the fact that we need to work together is essential. that's what we owe the american people. but the vision the president put forth, the knowledge that he demonstrated on it. the judgment that he brings with it, the empathy that's in his heart for, working families is just remarkable, and now it must be reinforced so people know so they can make their decision about the future. >> absolutely. >> all right.

madame speaker, thank you so much. we remember january 6th and we remember your extraordinary leadership on january 6th, even if the predecessor believes it was nikki haley who was speaker of the house. we thank you so much for your service to america and for being with us this morning. >> thank you, my pleasure. thank you all. happy international women's day. >> all right. >> thank you. >> you too, joe. >> thank you. yes, ma'am. i -- i know who i'm with, yes. and, in fact, we're going to talk about that now. thank you so much madame speaker. mika, what's going on over there in abu dhabi with the 30/50 kyv forbes event? it's extraordinary, you guys -- this year you guys have speak es like suze orman, so inspiring.

and have people from the middle east, of course. historic leaders, nobel prize winners from africa, all the way to india and all points in between. this is an extraordinarily -- an extraordinary turnout for international women's day. talk about it. >> another remarkable 30/50 summit we're in our third year now and international women's day this summit is taking place during a really turbulent time for women around the world. as you mentioned, we have 400 women here from 40 different countries, many different generations across the globe. and we put this event together this year with the turbulence in mind from the wars in the middle east and ukraine to roe being overturned. we have experts in conflict

resolution, holocaust survivors, mow bell peace prize winners, as you mentioned, leaders from the business world. and you mentioned suze orman, she spoke to our middle eastern audience about money and relationships. it was absolutely fascinating. and to what we're talking about on the show today because we'll show a lot of our interviews from the 30/50 summit to you next week. everyone here from around the world, a global audience is asking what the heck is going on in the u.s. with our politics? and what is going to happen? and that woman right there, ellen johnson surly, the former president of liberia said to me during an interview, you know, you guys are supposed to be the leaders and then kind of trailed off to an awkward chuckle. that's where things stand where people are watching and waiting and wondering. and as i was watching the state

of the union in the green room, a number of women clustered around to watch too, how is he doing? how did he do? how did it go? kind of on the edge of their seats about the united states of america. i had an incredible conversation with shania twain who will be receiving a know your value award here. joe? >> obviously so much important work being done there. two nobel peace prize winners talking about the way forward in just a calamitous time and talking about women's empowerment in the middle east, such an extraordinarily important message to give there. but also, i'm seeing the tape, i've seen the video, also --

>> what? >> some of the women having fun singing along to shania twain man i feel like a woman at the desert party. how crazy is that. she's right there in the middle of them. you talk about an extraordinary life story. she has a pretty extraordinary life story, too. >> we're going to have some of that for you next week. but i will say there was some dancing on the tables last night. i had no part in that, i swear. but it was wild and it was fun. but it's also incredibly serious here in terms of tone. everybody is extremely concerned about the state of women in the world and the state of women's rights. especially in the u.s., which is supposed to be leading. so a fine balance. >> yeah. mika, you have a long day ahead of you there, good luck, best wishes on this international

women's day and thank you so much. >> thank you. >> now more from yesterday's state of the union address during which president biden contrasted his administration's actions with the words and actions of his predecessor's. take a look. >> my predecessor, a former republican president, tells putin, quote, do whatever the hell you want. that's a quote. a former president actually said that. bowing down to a russian leader. it's outrageous, dangerous and unacceptable. my predecessor and some of you here seek to bury the truth about january 6th. i will not do that. this is a moment to speak the truth and bury the lies. here's the simple truth. you can't love your country only when you win. my predecessor came to office determined to see roe v. wade overturned. he's the reason it was

overturned and he brags about it. look at the chaos that has resulted. my predecessor failed the most basic presidential duty he owes to american people, the duty to care. i think that's unforgivable. past administrations including my predecessor and some democrats in the past failed to buy american. not anymore. my predecessor, and many in this chamber want to take the prescription drug away by repealing affordable care act. i'm not gonna let that happen. the last administration enacted a $2 trillion tax cut overwhelmingly benefitting the top 1%, the very wealthy and the biggest corporation. and exploded the federal deficit. in november, my team began serious negotiation with a bipartisan group of senators. the result was a bipartisan bill

with the toughest set of border security reforms we've ever seen. you don't think so? my predecessor called members of congress in the senate to demand they block the bill. he feels political win would be a political win for me and loser for him. predecessor is watching, instead of playing politics and pressuring members of congress to block the bill, join me in telling the congress to pass it. but unlike my predecessor, i know who we are as americans. my predecessor told the nra he's proud he did nothing on guns when he was president. i made sure that the most advanced american technology can't be used in china not allowing to trade them there. frankly, for all his tough talk on china it never occurred to my predecessor to do any of that. >> joe you did get the sense that speaker john wished they could push into a two shot at

serp times of president and vice president so he didn't have to react. but obviously shaking his head there for donald trump who's watching at home to tell the boss he has his back. but i mean this as a serious not rhetorical question. when the president starts talking about the bipartisan bill, what is speaker johnson shaking his head about? he called for immigration reform, got it from the senate and now won't take it up. >> why is he shaking his head when joe biden talks about january 6th being such a dark day? when he talks about the big lie? which speaker johnson was one of the key proponents of on the house floor, liz cheney wrote about it. how do you not stand up when the president of the united states says you want to buy american?

you shake your head at that, buying american. what a campaign this is going to be. jonathan lemire, i've got to say, again we need to keep going back to it. joe biden under estimated time and time again. we were having this same conversation after the state of the union last year. people going maybe, maybe he's not too old. maybe he's not. same now. it'll be the same going into this fall. democrats certainly, if there were any democrats waivering, any democrats concerned, last night had to make them feel like they're in really good shape. especially i just love how the issues line up. republicans are on the wrong side of history. they're on the wrong side of the polls. they're on the wrong side of decency on so many of these questions. i'm saying specifically on that front, donald trump. i mean, last night, game, set, match to joe biden. >> and the president got off such a roaring start. it was so striking right at the

beginning. invokes fdr and the do nothing congress against making the comparison. ticked off three issues, ukraine, january 6th, abortion. the defense of democracy abroad, the defense of democracy at home and the defense of freedom and rights at home. there's your campaign. first five minutes of the speech last night. president biden said this is what the next eight months are going to be about right here. and jen, to nervous democrats there were a number can he do this last night, is he up for it? he answered the call. we know white house aides were texting me, they were confident he would, last year after the state of the union, he also faced questions about his age and vitality, he delivered a strong performance, his poll numbers went up they think that will happen today, americans less concerned about biden's age and more focussed on the contrast that biden drew with his predecessor. he invoked that phrase "my predecessor" 13 times. >> i've been in politics 30

years, i've had a night last night with my phone exploding by people who were saying yesterday, biden campaign? what campaign? there is no campaign. he knocked it out of the park. and so smart, i'm looking at jonathan lemire's notes here. >> please. cheat sheet for us all. >> in case anyone only paid attention to the first few minutes. the other thing was, it's a moment to speak the truth. usually you come in, we can all agree on this or that, no, we don't agree. we don't agree on january 6th, abortion, or ukraine. i'm going to speak the truth now, you have to react to it but this is what my campaign is going to be about. last year this is what if people were going to challenge him last year in the democratic primary that was when to do it, and it was the state of the union that was so strong that made people realize i'm not challenging this

guy on the record he has, the vigor he has, the experience he has. and last night, that was even a bigger tour deforce. it felt like president biden came into his own. >> no doubt about it. it was his best speech of his presidency by far. >> by far. >> strongest speech. and most importantly for people thinking, oh, he's too old, too this, too that, man, like i said he gave a lot more than he got. and made these republicans look like fools time and time again. gene robinson, when you and i were growing up, we would see meadow lark lemon and curly neil and they would humiliate the washington generals day in and day out. i see bafoons running around,

ae wearing maga hats, trying to give the president stickers and running around making fools of themselves. i sat there thinking i know this is supposed to shock and stun the left or the media or somebody, all it does is make them look like idiots. all it does is help joe biden. they were, and they continue to be, the washington generals playing the harlem globe trotters. that's why the washington generals have lost seven seasons in a row. i keep saying it here. right. there's a reason they lost in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, '21, '22, '23 and why i keep saying when people go what happened joe? they're going to lose in 2024. just look out on the crowd last night and see how stupid the

extreme elements of that party has become. and they just keep reelecting biden and democrats. >> yes, they do. how did the washington generals never realize that meadow lark lemon had the ball tucked under his jersey every time. >> every time. >> and they couldn't figure it out night after night. that's like the republicans. biden did his political judo thing that he did last year, last year he got the republicans to say they had no interest in touching social security and medicare. this year he got them to agree with him that there shouldn't be an extension of the trump tax cuts. it was -- it was just amazing. so why do they get into call and response with joe biden? they always lose those. i thought he just completely blew away the biden is too old

issue last night. i think he -- to the extent that this issue that's been talked about and hands have been wrung until they're raw over. to the extent that can be dissipated in one night, that was last night because there was no question that he was vigorous and on top of every issue and able to continue performing the job of president. and it got to the point where republicans on the x platform were grumbling that somehow he was too -- speaking too fast and he was too vigorous or whatever. just ridiculous. so i think that was it. and on the issues he's lined up with the american people and the republicans have proven they are

not time and time and time again. i thought it was a very good night for joe biden and the democratic party looking ahead to november. >> still ahead on "morning joe." >> i hear the economy is on the brink, now our economy is the envy of the world. 15 million new jobs in just three years. a record. a record. >> we'll talk about the economic recovery when treasury secretary janet yellen joins the conversation. "morning joe" is back in a moment. moment

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one of the presidents of a big country stood up and said, well, sir, if we don't pay and we're attacked by russia will you protect us? i said, you didn't pay? you're delinquent? he said, yes, say that happened. no, i would not protect you. in fact, i would encourage them to do whatever the hell they

want. you got to pay. you got to pay their bills. >> ukraine can stop putin if we stand with ukraine and provide the weapons that it needs to defend itself. there are americans at war in ukraine and i'm determined to keep it that way. but now, assistance to ukraine is being blocked by those who want to walk away from our world leadership. wasn't long ago when a republican president named ronald reagan thundered, mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. now my predecessor, a former republican president, tells putin, quote, do whatever the hell you want. that's a quote. a former president actually said that. bowing down to a russian leader.

i think it's outrageous, it's dangerous, and it's unacceptable. >> so there you go, richard haas, if you're looking for contrast, there is former president trump first making the infamous comments about what to do, relating a story that didn't happen, but he told it anyway because it started with sir and then he had the president of the united states giving the address and quoting ronald reagan. the way he got the republicans to clap for that and then started booing and whistling when he criticized donald trump. appears he has the high ground here, not a difficult place to be in terms of how donald trump has supported the war in ukraine. >> to me it was hubert humphrey. last night he relished the give and take.

on this, the contrast between reagan's tear down this wall and do whatever the held you want, in two sentences, that showed the demise and decline on what was an internationalist republican party and has become an irresponsible isolationist party. how the party of reagan, the grand old party, what it's come. i thought he finessed the middle east issues as well as he could. essentially supportive of israel at the same time saying the israelis use force carefully, let the aid in. we have to move towards a two-state solution. sympathetic to israel's needs and rights to respond to the horrific attacks of october 7th. i thought on the foreign policy side he was the commander in chief last night and the contrast with the isolationism on the other side could not have been more stark. >> the contrast between him and

his predecessor. jonathan lemire you're telling me that a lot of americans really, really inspired by what he said, said last night they had their biggest fund-raising haul? >> yeah. the biden campaign let us know their 9:00 hour, the president started his speech last night, was the biggest fund-raising hour only to amend that and say it was 10:00 p.m. so they had the best two hours last night and already walked in last night with a massive fund-raising event over donald trump who has struggled to raise money because he has had to devote so much of the money he raised to legal bills. so they felt they had a financial advantage so they'll be able to bury trump in ads. coming up, the next guest left the white house to help the president's re-election issues. mitch landrieu joins the table

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thanks to our bipartisan infrastructure law, 46,000 new projects have been announced all across your communities. i notice some of you strongly voted against it are there cheering on that money coming in. i'm with you. i'm with you. if any of you don't want that money in your district, just let me know. >> president biden joking around with some of the republican lawmakers who voted against the bipartisan infrastructure bill and then welcomed that money into their districts. joining us now national co-chair for president biden's re-election campaign, mitch landrieu. it's good to have you with us this morning. >> thank you. your reaction not just to

the substance of the state of the union address but some of the doubts as you know talking to democrats and supporters of president biden, whether he's up for this and how he answered that last night and as we saw in the last clip how he poked around with the republicans in the room as well. >> first of all if you have eyes and ears you saw a president that was tough, smart, and ready for the fight. that took it to people and talked about the american people. you know, for two weeks before that, every pundit in america was putting joe biden in the grave as though 81 is the most important number in america and the president said it's not my numerical age it's the power of my ideas, the youth of my ideas. he brought the heat and he did an unbelievable job last night. i would like to ask everybody in america, can we put to rest whether joe biden is up to the task of governing this country, there's no congressman, governor, ceo in america who can

stand up and do what joe biden did last night. it's hard, requires an incredible amount of concentration and he also demonstrated to people that we have an existential threat and a choice to make this in this country and the choice is clear, you can choose donald trump who every time his lips are moving he's lying delusional and hopes americans have amnesia, and how narrow his view is when he takes away rights. or you can take a person that's optimistic, expanding people's rights. he could not have made it clearer, could not have done it better and i thought last night he hit it out of the park. >> mitch, one of the things that i think should not be overlooked is he addressed some of the areas that people were saying that he had become weaker in. in terms of youth, he emphasized about what he had tried to do with student loans.

and then found a way to do anyway after the supreme court knocked it down. and he addressed voting rights. mentioned john lewis, the anniversary of the march across edmond pettis bridge. the idea of you co-chairing the campaign, of blacks not being as enthusiastic and young people. i think he addressed both in a substantive way saying this is what i've done with blacks, what i've done for youth and i think it was subtle but very powerful. was that something you think will help you in those areas in the campaign? >> reverend i agree with you. you and i were friends with john lewis, a mentor of ours. he took a whipping on the cusp of the edmond pettis bridge you've been helping to lead the efforts. joe biden said he would not be president without the african american community and he has demonstrated time and time again by his appointment of kamala harris, the first african

american supreme court justice, funding for hbcus. and passing the john lewis act. joe biden said last night, i'm never going to take a knee, we are never going to quit, never going to surrender. the question for america is who is joe biden fighting for and who is donald trump fighting for? joe biden wakes up every day thinking about other people, expanding rights, thinking about fighting big pharma, the nra, big corporations to make sure they pay their fair share so we can have parental leave, medical leave, working folks can have a leg up. donald trump fights for himself, his friends and the wealthy 1% in the country. it's a clear choice. by the way, donald trump is just a bad guy. i want to remind everybody since everybody has am neez why. when donald trump was in office we woke up every day going what

is he going to do today, what did he do in the middle of the night when he wasn't looking. and 17 cabinet members, including nikki haley, have told us, this is people like general mittis, mark esper, nikki haley, john kelly all of these who are veterans and national defense people have begged us not to put this guy within 100 yards of the white house because he is not fit for the presidency. so the issue of fitness for joe biden got put to rest. the issue of fitness for donald trump is with us forever because he should not get near the oval office again. coming up, senator chuck schumer is standing by. his reaction to the state of the union when "morning joe" comes right back. joe" comes right back this is our future, ma.

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putin will stop at ukraine, i assure you he will not. my predecessor and some of you here seek to bury the truth about january 6th. i will not do that. this is a moment to speak the truth and to bury the lies. a simple choice. we can fight about fixing the border or we can fix it. i'm ready to fix it. send me the border bill now. here in this chamber tonight our families, whose loved ones are still being held by hamas, i pledge to all the families we will not rest until we bring every one of your loved ones home. >> you need america, the land of possibilities, a vision for the future of what can and should be done. tonight you've heard mine. >> president joe biden last

night out really outdoing all expectations. he does time and time again. people always underestimate him. jonathan lemire, we've talked about how this campaign that has already broken fund-raising records, last night set a record in the 9:00 hour and then broke that record in the 10:00 hour. do you have an update? >> now we've received word they set another record in the 11:00 hour. the 11:00 hour is now their best fund-raising hour of the entire campaign to this point. narrowly edging out the 10:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. the best around the three hours of the president's speech last night. as you say, they have a significant advantage over donald trump in terms of fund-raising especially with the likely republican opponent devoting a lot of money he's raising to his legal fees. >> i think this proves they've been right all along. the theory is numbers are going

to be a little bit soft, americans haven't focused, they still find it hard to believe that donald trump is going to be the republican nominee. well, he is. and the focus has been narrowed, and the impact was great last night. >> and it's this week. on tuesday, super tuesday, it became clear to the nation that donald trump is going to be the republican nominee. now on thursday, with president biden, the state of the union, it's clear, he's running again, he's the democratic nominee. we have our binary choice right now, trump versus biden. the biden team said when this moment came that's when the race would shift in their favor. >> this is the choice they wanted. peggy wrote this the wall street journal, state of the union shows there's life in the old boy yet. writing the great question the past month was about his

persona. would he walk in shakily? when he was done would we be using words like old, frail, incapable, embarrassing? we won't. people will say that guy had a lot of fight in him, he was wide awake, relished the moment, did not seem to tire much and, in fact, improved as the speech moved along. he showed energy and focus, blurred some words and thoughts, maintained a brisk pace, almost never spoke softy. sometimes yelled. there was a give em-hell harry vibration. democratic fears on the president's age and while. she said the democrats at the end of the speech were pretty much giddy. with us now, senate majority leader chuck schumer of new york. senator, i've been in a few of these. i don't think i've ever seen any

state of the union in all of my time where one party was back on their heels as much as donald trump's maga party was last night. >> you bet. call me giddy. this speech showed that america is strong, and joe biden is strong. you are right. one of the most fascinating scenes for me was the sullenness of the republicans. they weren't out there yelling and screaming. you know, marjorie taylor greene, as long as she's the representative of the republican party, impetuous, angry, that's fine. let her be the base of the party. it was a great moment when he talked about how president trump had lied about 9/11. then he looked at them and he said, you know that's true. they all just looked down. they knew he was right. first, the vision for the middle

class in america. this was a speech that had a whole lot of detail, a whole lot of what i want to do and how i'm going to get it done. joe biden has that fight in him. when he talks about the middle class, when he talks about the things he believes in, he has fight, he has strength. this is the joe biden americans are going to see. now that trump is the nominee, that's one part of the new phase. joe biden a governor, small "g." we had the greatest two years we've had in a very long time in terms of production for middle class people for american values. that takes a lot of time and effort. now he's out there talking about what he did, what he wants to do. anyone who listened to that speech knows that joe biden is going to win the election and have a great second term. i am excited.

>> jonathan lemire is here. he has a question. >> i meant january 6th. i said 9/11. >> yeah, january 6th. jonathan, it really was fascinating seeing how the republicans looked down. >> yeah. >> i thought they were humiliated when he brought up january 6th, because they know. mike johnson knows. he got to power based on a lie. again, the republicans looked so weak last night. >> and january 6th, of course, the violence happened in that very chamber where they all gathered there last night. senator schumer, thanks for being with us this morning. there were a few moments where president biden took the fight to republicans. one was on ukraine funding, saying vladimir putin is not going to stop with ukraine. and secondly, tried to change the narrative around

immigration. now because republicans abandoned that bipartisan deal, the white house thinks that's a chance to change that story as well. >> oh, yes. >> do you think what we saw last night could lead to legislative progress? >> we're on our front foot. frankly, we democrats in the senate, with joe biden's help, put together a strong bipartisan proposal. this is hardly some left-wing proposal. it's endorsed by the "wall street journal" editorial page. it's endorsed by the border guards union. it's endorsed by the chamber of commerce. until donald trump opened his mouth, it would have had the support of republicans. then he gave us a gift. he said, i don't want to do it. i want more chaos at the border, because it will help me in the

election. it was classic joe biden. he had a real solution. he talked about it. he talked about the more border guards. he talked about turning away the fentanyl from the machines that could detect them. he talked about things we could do, but in a strong way that vibrated with the american people. just as we saw in the third congressional direct where suozzi one, we are now on our front foot, not our back foot. that is a major change. i give senator lankford a whole lot of credit for making that happen. >> let's talk about the economy. of course, we just got a new report in, breaking news, job hiring blew past expectations. the "wall street journal" reports 275,000 jobs over the past month. the best jobs numbers ever over

the past three years, the jobless rate at 4% for the first time in 60 years. you look at manufacturing up. you've been in politics a long time. how long does it take for the reality to catch up with the expectation? >> great question, joe. the economy is always a lagging indicator. in other words, it takes about a year for the reality to catch up with people's views, because they still remember when eggs were $4 or $5. they still remember when gasoline was $4 or $5. now the prices are lower. people have a view, let's see if this sticks or if it's a bump. inflation going down from 9% to less than 3%, 15 million new jobs, that's all going to start sinking in. we're already seeing in some of our senate races where the senate incumbents are talking

about this record and they're running ahead of their republican challengers. it's a lagging indicator, but i believe by september the economy will be in people's minds far more favorably than it is today. i think donald trump will screw it up repeatedly with what he says. i thought it was a great moment when joe biden accused the republicans of wanting tax breaks for the rich, when he wanted to see tax breaks for the middle class. again, they were sullen. in the old days, they might get up and cheer when he said they wanted tax breaks for the risk. i've never saw them so down in the dumps. they saw the real joe biden. they're going to lose this election with trump as their leader. >> they looked about as sullen and downcast as red sox fans

waiting for a last-place finish. >> we yankee fans aren't too much better. >> you have soto. we shall see. [ laughter ] >> all right. senator majority leader chuck schumer, thank you so much as always. >> it's a happy day. i walked out of that speech exhilarated, and i'm exhilarated still this morning. this is great stuff for us. >> thank you so much. we're going to have more on the better-than-expected jobs numbers that just crossed. also, treasury secretary janet yellen will be our guest. we're back in a moment with a packed fourth hour. we're back in a moment with a packed fourth hour when my doctor gave me breztri for my copd,

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president biden delivered the annual state of the union address. biden's speech was historic. it was the first time that the font size on the teleprompter

was 8,000. biden looked at all the members of congress and said, finally, a place where i'm pretty young. biden also highlighted his administration's big accomplishments, like growing the economy, record low unemployment and working with the lizard people to rig the super bowl. that was tough. i couldn't believe he did that. that was topnotch. >> welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's 6 a.m. on the west coast, 9 a.m. on the east coast. we have john heilemann, jen psaki. i'm so excited about last night's speech. >> exhilarating. >> i'm having trouble. >> all aquiver.

and host of "the 11th hour" stephanie ruhle. >> i have an easier name than anand. >> it's unbelievable. we've talked about this for a year and a half. this economy, the fed keeps trying to hold it down because they want to keep inflation down. you just can't stop this economy from roaring. 275,000 new jobs. >> consider the fact you've got employers out there still hiring despite inflation, despite that you've got 24 states out there raising minimum wage. they're still hiring. the thought that we are going to have this hard landing, it is not going to happen. that doesn't mean that inflation doesn't persist. it doesn't mean life's not expensive. that's why people get frustrated when they say i'm tired of

hearing how great the economy is, can i tell you how expensive things are at the grocery store? and they are. when you watch republicans trying to say, are you better off than you were four years ago, the answer is yes. katie britt tried to give an example. she met an old man at a gas station. he said he had to work because it was either buy groceries or get medication. under joe biden, drug prices are lower, snap benefits are higher. the president can say i delivered for you. when you're watching a republican argument about how difficult the economy is, the facts don't bear it out. >> we were just talking to chuck schumer. i said in all of the state of the unions i've been in, that i've watched on tv, i've never

seen a side so deflated as the. ares. -- republicans. donald trump has pushed them into such an extreme corner, it's easy pickens. >> mike johnson stood at one point. it's tricky for them. also, it tells you a lot about the party, though, that they didn't stand when the president was talking about standing up for democracy and against putin and against nazis and curing cancer. >> buying american. >> buying american. >> it's crazy. >> these are moments which should be bipartisan. if you're watching, you're first wondering who's mike johnson, why does he have a weird look on his face? also, why are half of the people in there sitting down.

>> you don't like saying every third grader should learn to read? the party of family values, which is why katie britt was sitting in kitchen, they couldn't stand up about learning to read. >> yes, they should be standing for that. just more basic things, being against political violence, you can't stand for that? or curing cancer, for stopping vladimir putin from invading the rest of europe? they couldn't stand up. >> they shouldn't stand for those things, because those things are not what their movement is about. they're banning books. the more people do read and find out the truth about the world, the worse their movement would do. they're not for defeating putin in europe, so why should they stand for it?

they're for putinism. they're not for defending democracy at home. they're for insurrection. i actually think their standing was well coordinated with their idealogical commitments, which is insane. >> the evolution on so many issues of this party, it's like lindsey graham was yelling at the obama administration i was in about not doing more to lethally arm ukraine, to stand up against russia. >> that's all we heard in 2014, whether it was ron desantis or lindsey graham. >> a huge swath of the party. >> or mike pence. go down the list. they all were complaining about not funding ukraine, giving them enough weapons. >> and now you have the president of the united states speaking out boldly against putin in a way they probably would have loved to hear ten years ago and they're sitting on their hands in the chamber. that tells you a lot about the evolution of the party.

>> stick with lindsey graham for a second. it's a reasonable way to look at the best indication of where the night went. if you had listened to state media on the right and to all these republicans, the bar was set at, you know -- >> but, john, they identity do it every time. >> i know. >> this other guy is so great, i'm going to be lucky to get off the stage. i'm going to be so horrible. everybody knows that's how you play the game. they constantly underestimate joe biden. he constantly hammers them in the head. it's amazing. >> they set the bar at, you know, biden's a corpse basically. he will barely be able to get through this speech with six

words intact, he might fall off the stage, he's going to drool. that was the bar. so biden gets up there and does not do that. i won't overgild the lily. >> gild it. we have people waking up on the west coast right now saying what's john heilemann talking about. >> here's how you can tell how badly, befuddled and messed up republican messaging was. look at how they criticized the speech. he was too aggressive, too partisan, too loud, too amped up. >> talked too fast. >> ari flesher spent months talking about how biden was a cadaver. he said, the only thing they're going to remember about how weirdly fast he talked. you are making an idiot of yourself. go and play the tape on ari

flesher for the last six months. too aggressive, too loud, too fast, that is basically reading between the lines in saying our previous critique of joe biden has been rendered inoperative. the republicans were in a position where -- and go back to lindsey graham. biden looked over at lindsey. he saw lindsey sitting there slumped. all the energy was out of lindsey graham. he essentially had metaphorically his head in his hands. for all these talks about biden and his incapacity and all this stuff, last night he did more ad libs than i've ever seen in the state of the union. he was a little bit like a prime minister who had walked in with

moments set up where he wanted to engage with republicans. >> he goes, oh, you don't like that? you don't like stopping fentanyl at the border? and then he goes, i know you've read the bill. i know you can read. again, time and time again, look here, look here, he kept pounding them. >> we have presidents in the past who have been gifted orators who go in and read the speech. biden went off script like 30 times. it was like he'd set up in his own draft in the speech the moments where he was going to bait the republicans into some reaction. on the woman in georgia who was killed, laken, marjorie taylor greene tried to bait him on the way in the door.

he took her up on that and made a point of it in the speech. that was not even a pre-planned ad lib. >> he reached into his pocket to get something. his team was like -- >> laken riley. >> he turned and said to her parents, i know what this is like, i've lost a child. this completely deflates marjorie taylor greene. it's as though republicans are begging for a split screen. when they say, oh my gosh, this is so political, do you remember trump's last state of the union? he gave rush limbaugh a medal. we're here to fact check you. >> i also thought one of his best moments was when he was talking about abortion and the supreme court. he was just feeling the moment. i think he saw them in front of him. he's mad at them. he's a traditionalist, an institutionalist, as we all know. he called them out directly.

i think there were people watching at home who have been outraged about dobbs who didn't know he had that in him. i thought it was one of his best ad libs. >> it's not just about volume and energy, which is what a lot of people focused on because of that low bar you were talking about. to me, it was about watching someone having that energy because he really seemed to come into a deep understanding of his purpose in this moment with that beginning of we haven't been threatened domestically, but our democracy since lincoln and in the world since fdr, and both are happening at the same time. you have this feeling of a man who understood even more clearly than before, this is the thing i was send here to do. that is a very powerful alchemy when that happens for any of us. there were many things he did that felt a step ahead. the abortion stuff felt like not

tepid joe biden, a little squeamish about this, but actually frontally for this freedom. >> let's play that clip. >> my predecessor came to office determined to see roe v wade overturned. he's the reason it's overturned, and he brags about it. look at the chaos that has resulted. many of you in this chamber and my predecessor are promising to pass a ban on reproductive freedom. my god, what other freedom would you take away? look, since the decision to overturn roe v wade, the supreme court wrote the following -- excuse me. women are not without electoral or political power. you're about to realize just how much. those bragging about overturning roe v wade have no clue about the power of women, but they found out when reproductive

freedom was on the ballot. we won in 2023 and we'll win again in 2024. in november, my team began serious negotiations with a bipartisan group of senators. the result was a bipartisan bill with the toughest set of border security reforms we've ever seen. oh, you don't think so? oh, you don't like that bill, huh? that conservatives got together and said was a good bill? i'll be darned. that's amazing. that bipartisan bill would liar 1500 more security agents and officers, 100 more immigration judges to help tackle the backload of 2 million cases, 4300 more asylum officers and new policies so they can resolve cases in six months instead of six years now. what are you against?

more drug detection machines to significantly increase the ability to screen and stop vehicles smugging fentanyl into america that's killing thousands. this bill would save lives. it will also give me and any new president new emergency authority to temporarily shut down the border when the number of migrants at the border is overwhelming. the border patrol union has endorsed this bill. yeah, yeah. you're saying no. look at the facts. i know you know how to read. i believe that given the opportunity for a majority in the house and senate would endorse the bill as well, the majority right now. but, unfortunately, politics has derailed this bill so far. i'm told my predecessor called members of congress in the

senate to demand they block the bill. he feels a political win for me would be a political loser for him. it's not about him. it's not about me. i'd be a winner -- i -- [ audience reacts ] laken riley, an innocent young woman who was killed by an illegal. that's right. but how many thousands of people being killed by illegals? to her parents, i say my heart goes out to you having lost children myself. i understand. but, look, if we change the dynamic at the border, people pay these smugglers $8,000 to get across the border because they know if they get by, if they get by and let into the country, it's six to eight years

before they have a hearing. it's worth them taking the chance on the $8,000. but, but if it's only six weeks, the idea is it's highly unlikely that people will pay that money and come all that way knowing they'll be able to be kicked out quickly. folks, i would respectfully suggest my republican friends owe it to the american people to get this bill done. we need to act now. let me close with this. yay. i know you don't want to hear any more, lindsey, but i've got to say a few more things. i know it may not look like it, but i've been around a while. when you get to be my age, certain things become clearer than ever. i know the american story. again and again i've seen the

contest between competing forces and the battle for the soul of our nation. between those who want to pull america back to the past and those who want to move america into the future. my lifetime has taught me to embrace freedom and democracy, a future based on core values that have defined america, honesty, decency, dignity, equality, to respect everyone, to give everyone a fair shot, to give hate no safe harbor. other people my age see it differently. the american story of resentment, revenge and retribution. that's not me. >> we were just talking about how much he soaked this up, how he ad libbed more than any other president. you were talking about the moment caught on c-span where jerry nadler, a new york representative, came up and said you put to rest the question of

whether you're cognitively impaired. he looked out over the chamber and said, "sometimes i wish i were cognitively impaired." he was on fire. he just got the best of republicans time and time again. how bizarre. this is like the one political event you tune into. biden says we need to stop smugglers from bringing fentanyl over the border that kills americans. and the little dude you don't know is sitting down and the vice president is standing up. you're like, wait, does he represent fentanyl? it makes no sense to americans. why would you not stand when the president is talking about stopping smuggling? this is how stupid donald trump is politically. there's a reason they've lost seven years in a row. he has painted them into a

corner they can't get out of politically. >> joe, i'll caution you to criticize fentanyl. fentanyl manufacturers are the biggest job producers in my district. that's what you expect to hear from mike johnson. again, how do you know how the speech did? one way is what were republicans doing and saying. their main critique rendered inoperative last night that he's too old, he can't do the job. biden was on the floor after the speech until, i think, close to midnight. it was because democrats were, i think, a combination of enraptured and energized but also relieved. they were nervous about this speech. they knew what the stakes were. the speaker had to adjourn the chamber. they started to lower the lights last night. i'm not kidding.

>> it's like after the super bowl. the winning side doesn't want to leave the locker room. >> now, this is a snarky headline, "he's alive." people will not remember a lot of the details of the speech. what they will remember is there were questions if joe biden is up to this fight, and this is the answer. the conservative, murdoch-owned "new york post" saying that question is now put to rest. >> and look at two words, angry, bitter. let me tell you, that is so much better than tired and old. >> in the right order. >> exhausted. >> and incapacitated in some way, senile, whatever the words they want to use. >> speaking to the grievance media audience. >> a way to make use of age, not

run away from it. i think about sometimes we have a relationship with our grandparents. our grandparents can calm us down or reassure us in a way our parents can't. in the end he really leveraged that to say i have been through these things. i have seen this contest between these very dark and light tendencies in american life. maybe a younger person hasn't lived long enough to know, because it's been a bleak era, we will defeat these small hearted tendencies. >> talk about grandparents and parents. >> spicy grandpa. >> let's just talk about joe biden. i've known him a long time. the brzezinskis have known him like 50 years. this is the best joe biden. >> yeah. >> spicy joe.

>> but also this is joe biden who has gotten in trouble for talking too much, for saying the wrong thing at the wrong time, for telling one too many jokes, for getting angry one too many times. like, this is a joe biden that, as an old man myself, after a while the rough edges get rounded out by age. we can just talk about past joe biden and joe biden now. i can tell you i talked to joe biden in private for decades. this is the best joe biden. >> yeah. i agree. i also think that people who have known him for a long time or worked for him, like i did, this is how he actually feels about donald trump and the threat. for the first two years of the administration, he strategically

was quite restrained in how he talked about republicans and trump. some in the party were doing that. he was doing that strategically and purposely to get bipartisan legislation done. now, he's unleashed. this is how he feels. there was that politico story a couple weeks ago where he was talking about how privately the president talks about trump. people were like that's not how he talks. it is how he talks! it is how he feels about trump. what people saw last night was this visceral feeling of the threat. you were talking about the beginning and the end. it was bookended by the threat. that is purposeful. >> can i say something else? another thing about biden -- we're so worried. you talk to joe biden for two

seconds, you don't have to ask that guy. that guy is genuinely -- sorry, moms on the west coast and dads -- he's genuinely pissed off at what donald trump did when he was president, about what donald trump did on january 6th. it goes back to charlottesville. he loves this country. he believes in public service. he believes public service is an honor and a duty. he is so angry at donald trump that when people say, you know, do you think jill's going to talk him out of running? like, are you kidding? when you walk into the white house and you talk to them, are you woried about this, are you worried about that? they're like, we got this. >> joe biden has facts and

winning policy on his side. that's frustrating for him, that in an age of news deserts and misinformation, people don't realize all that is getting done for the american people. he is wiping the floor with the last administration. joe biden has the biggest infrastructure plan we have seen in our lifetime. >> and the most bipartisan pieces of legislation passed after progressives mocked him his first year going, you can't deal with republicans, old man. he did it. let's bring in right now tim kaine. it was more than four decades ago that the first child was conceived through ivf in the united states. take a look at this clip before we introduce our guest. >> it's a girl. this morning at 7:46 a.m. --

>> with those words, 70-year-old dr. howard jones announced the birth of america's first so-called test tube baby born by cesarean section. >> elizabeth joins us now along with democratic senator tim kaine of virginia, who brought elizabeth with him as a guest last night. elizabeth, welcome. who would ever believe that the miracle of your birth would be such a controversy all these years later when it's given the same hope to other parents that it gave to your family? >> i know. hard to believe 42 years ago we were having the same debate about this issue that we were last night. >> senator, talk about this

miracle that parents all over america want, that actually right now can't even get protected in the united states senate. >> joe, it was just an electric night last night. i happened to be in birmingham the day that the university of alabama birmingham, the big medical system, announced they were suspending all ivf procedures in the state. it was like a lightning storm that hit the city. people were shocked. what occurred to me is i think this story sort of started in virginia. when i got home, i did the research about elizabeth being born at norfolk general hospital. she was doing an interview where she said for the first time in my life i feel like an endangered species. there are 12 million elizabeth carrs on the earth this year, people who have been born through reproductive technology. the net good to humanity is

overwhelming. we knew when the dobbs decision came down that republicans in states would go after ivf, would go after contraception. that's what's happening. that's why i've joined with tammy duckworth to file the assisting families act that would protect ivf in this country so people can choose to grow their families this way if they want. >> senator, it's jen psaki. i want to ask you about what you just alluded to. one of the eye-opening signs this has exposed for us is when republicans go after ivf, they're going after mifepristone, they're going after contraception. it's not just dobbs. what is happening in congress right now? what should people who are concerned about this issue be aware of in terms of the legislation still being pushed through congress by anti-choice members? >> jen, i'm not going to be too

much of a legal nerd here, but when we read the dobbs decision, the rationale wasn't just overturning roe v wade. the rationale was to overturn 100 years of cases going back to the 19 teens that there are some elements of your personal awe on the -- autonomy that are so precious that the court can't invade it. the court threw all of that out in dobbs. that's why you see courts going after mifepristone and contraception and ivf. i have a bipartisan bill with senators murkowski, collins and sinema. it's the only bill in congress to overturn ivf as a statutory right. tammy duckworth is leading the bill that i cosponsored. it would make plain anywhere in

the country a provider can provide ivf, a patient can access ivf and an insurer can insure ivf. state legislators often don't even understand the science behind what they're doing. >> when i was growing up, republicans always talked about family values. it seemed like the desire to have children is a pretty baseline family value. if you were to speak to speaker mike johnson who yesterday said he was grappling with the question of whether ivf is murder, what case would you make? >> my answer to that is one that my father said 42 years ago when i was born. he said he really just didn't understand how anyone could have a problem with this technology, because it allowed my mother and father to do the one thing that almost universally is wanted,

which is to build a family. some of the double talk of supporting ivf, i really hope that starts to get backed up with pushing forward on this bill. >> elizabeth carr and democratic senator tim kaine, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. steph, you look at all of these issues. again, it started with abortion, and now we've moved all the way to ivf. you had clarence thomas talking about taking away contraception from women. this is something that has awakened women already. now it seems like a five-alarm fire. >> it's extraordinary. i'm going to go to those suburban women who can fall prey to this panic about wokism and what the left is going to do about their children. suddenly when a woman's body is

suddenly under attack, hold the hell on. they weren't going to get excited about joe biden. issues like this are astonishing. it's incredible to me that republicans keep pushing the envelope. you would think they would say, we got roe v wade overturned. let's all shut up, put our heads down, win in november, and then we'll really go for it. instead they're leading with this ivf thing. wake up, alabama. do you know what you're doing to the rest of the country? it's a potential political gift, much like the border, for democrats. >> a lot of these court rulings, there have been bread crumbs about other things they want to take down. they've talked about rolling back the same-sex marriage ruling and some of the rulings on other issues. so there espn an agenda to conquer one freedom today and take that back, then take away

another freedom the next day and another the next day. if they're going to take away this, what else would they be willing to take away? you may not be affected by this issue, but you're going to be affected by some freedom they're coming for. >> in alabama you have a supreme court saying one thing, a state legislature saying not. nobody's talking about is it life, is it not, is it murder. they won't clear it up. in the senate republicans refuse to pass a bill to clear it up as well. so republicans now do not want to protect families to have a right to grow and enjoy the miracle that we thought had been established four decades ago. anand, thank you so much. always great to see you. still ahead, we're going to dive back into the latest round of good economic news for the country with the biden administration. treasury secretary janet yellen is our next guest on "morning

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for years i've heard many of my republican and democratic friends say that china is on the rise and america's falling behind. they've got it backwards. i've been saying it for over four years even when i wasn't president. america is rising. we have the best economy in the world. in a thousand of cities and towns, the american people are writing the greatest comeback story never told. >> let's bring in u.s. treasury secretary janet yellen. thank you so much for being with us. first, we're just marveling, as we have for about a year now, a bt this economy that just keeps exceeding expectations. what's your reaction to the jobs report? >> well, i agree with you. we're seeing very strong job growth. a year or so ago, who would have

expected that we could be averaging over 250,000 new jobs a month and yet seeing inflation come down? but that's what we see in this morning's report, 275,000 jobs in february, signaling a strong labor market, the longest stretch of unemployment under 4% that we've seen in 50 years and really no evidence in this month's wage data of an acceleration in wage increases that could create inflationary pressures. americans are getting ahead. they're getting solid wage increases that exceed inflation but there's no evidence of inflationary pressure coming from the labor

market. we just have excellent, strong performance. the u.s. economy is performing better than any advanced nation around the world, and our strength is buoying global growth as well. >> madam secretary, we've asked the question repeatedly over the last year, the source of the strength and resilience. what's behind this economic engine that just keeps moving forward? >> well, first of all, we've seen a big increase in labor supply that is enabling strong growth, increased adult participation in the labor market. the policies that the biden administration put in place

during the pandemic serve to ensure that those who lost work would not be permanently scarred, as they were after the financial crisis in 2008. we directed enough money to state and local governments that they were able to keep employees on the payroll. with those programs, we got people back to work quickly. president biden has been focused on investing in our economy, putting in place investments in infrastructure, rebuilding bridges and roads across the nation, expanding access to the internet and investing in industries of the future, like semiconductors and clean energy.

and the incentives that have been put in place have generated $650 billion of private investment in manufacturing and in clean energy. and we're seeing areas of the country that really haven't seen a lot of opportunity. we've seen great growth on the coasts, but much of the country hasn't seen good jobs created. but that's changed over the last several years. that surge in private investment is also buoying our recovery. >> secretary yellen, the tax credit that the white house announced yesterday, the provision for housing, $10,000, do you see any risk that that could overheat the housing market and impact the economy? >> well, the president is also focused on the supply of housing. he wants to make sure that it's

affordable, especially for first-time home buyers and americans whose families did not have housing and make sure they can afford it. he's also proposing steps to expand the supply of housing. i believe they would be very helpful investing in refurbishment of properties, expanding the low-income housing tax credit. that will be helpful to americans to deal with the shortage of affordable housing. >> u.s. treasury secretary janet yellen, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> steph, thank you so much. what do you have planned for 18

hours later? >> i'm going to go to mass. >> very good. coming up, a key meeting is set to take place with the group "no labels" to discuss running a third-party presidential ticket. we're going to talk to former house majority leader dick gephardt about that and much more. r dick gephardt about that and much more

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stop trump. it doesn't look that way right now. >> exactly. they've said all along that they don't want to be spoilers. well, we're giving them a chance to prove that. we're just saying, do your campaign, but don't file in the six swing states that will really decide this election. this election is the most consequential election since 1864. if donald trump is elected, i think our democracy is done. and we cannot have that happen. so all the third parties, not just no labels, but all of them need to think carefully about what they're doing and the consequences of doing and the consequences of what they're doing on this election outcome. >> so there are some third-party candidates who have already declared they'll be in this race. it's jill stein and cordell west and robert f. kennedy jr.

have you had direct outreach to those candidates to try to deliver this message? >> we are trying hard to talk to all of them through intermediaries, and we've had some luck in that but not enough. we sent this letter that joe talked about to all the candidates, and we are urging them to really think carefully about what they're doing. donald trump has a locked in base of 45% of american voters. he can't get above that. that's what he got in 2016. that's what he got in 2020. that's what he's going to get, somewhere in that neighborhood in '24. 55% of the people do not want to vote for trump, but if they have a third party off ramp they well could, and that could elect donald trump. so that's what we're trying to get people to pay attention to. >> i want to ask you about rfk jr. i think a lot of us are trying to figure out who does he help,

who does he hurt. you know very well the kennedy name is still hallowed in so many parts of the country, as much as trump's donors are supporting him, they know that he could help. where do you think he hurts president biden and where do you think he helps him as you assess kind of the swing states, if he stays in? >> it's very hard to figure out. i have personally paid for the polling that we have done, and we've done both national polling and swing state polling, and all of it indicates that all of these third-party independent candidates will favor trump over biden. they can throw the election to trump simply by giving people an off-ramp. independents, republicans, soft democrats, whatever, and that's our great worry. so i think rfk would take some votes from both, but we think he would take more votes from biden

than trump. >> you ran for president twice, so you know what that's like. people will be amazed -- i say this with all the respect and honor in the world -- you're sitting here 83 years old. joe biden is younger than you are, right? so you know what it's like to feel, you know, to be an octogenarian, right? we have a discussion that's been going on with biden for some days. joe asked james carville about it the other day, is the president's team overprotecting him? they don't let him do an interview on the super bowl. it seems they're worried he's going to stumble or screw up. to me last night that speech answers that question. if i were in the president's inner circle, i would say he wasn't perfect last night, he stammered a few times, he messed up a few words. no one's talking about it today because the rest of the speech was what it was. no one cares. the argument seems to me, again, i ask you this from all your experience, given how it feels to be this age and how he's done

presidential campaigns. it seems like you can't run with swaddling around you. you've got to be out there. i feel like last night shows that to some extent that if biden is allowed to just go meet the press, go out there, do the events, people will hear him stumble a few times, but no one will care because it will be in the larger context of what else he can do and how much energy he has with a speech like that. >> i've known joe biden for probably 50 years. what you saw last night was joe biden. what's in his heart is the value and the importance of our democracy, our rule of law and capitalism, which has made this country the greatest country that's what he expressed last night. and they need to put him in

front of people everywhere to make that argument and to let them see into his heart, and if they do that, he can win this race. >> the stakes are so incredible. leader gephardt, we always talk about how democrats have won the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections. to your point, but for ralph nader and jill stein, there would not have been a republican elected president this century. assuming bush wouldn't have been president to run for re-election in '04. think about that, two minor candidates. the only reason bush won in 2000 and the only reason trump won in '16. and it could happen again in '24. >> it's hard to have a democracy where repeatedly you put the

minority in the control of the government. that's a problem. now, we all know why it is. we have the electoral college. that was a compromise they made in 1789. we know that, so we got to work around it. it is what it is. we have to work around it. we will work around it. i'll say it again, this country is awesome. being an american is like winning the lottery, and we have to say that over and over and over again to the american people. we were given a precious gift in 1789 that we could govern ourselves, and now we have to do it. >> amen. former house majority leader dick gephardt, thank you so much. that does it for us this morning. msnbc's coverage continues after a quick final break. break.

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