and i think he set it up nicely. also giving kamala harris the spotlight a couple times. she will be out and about talking about women's rights. if he came up short, i mean he mentioned climate change some, but not enough. and it didn't get enough applause. you know, that is a big part of his base, they want to hear more about climate. i thought he came up a little short on that. and i'm not sure he reached out to young people, generation z enough, but overall it was an a-plus state of the union address. >> always appreciate your conversations. thank you for joining us. and that wraps it up for us. >> and thank fought privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks it up with more news right now. >> right now on andrea mitchell reports, president biden delivering a fiery state of the union address that doubled as a campaign kickoff speech.

confronting donald trump on issue after issue without ever naming the former president. and starting with an impassioned plea to help ukraine defend its country against vladimir putin. >> bowing down to a russian leader, i think it is outrageous, dangerous and unacceptable. >> taking to task donald trump and far right republicans for whitewashing january 6. >> my predecessor and some of you here seek to bury the truth about january 6. i will not do that. here is the simple truth. you can't love your country only when you win. >> calling out house republicans telling them to stop playing politics on the border and pass the bipartisan bill. >> we have the simple choice. we can fight about fixing the border or we can fix it. i'm ready to fix it.

send me the border bill now. >> and he delivered a forceful defense of women's reproductive freedom, critical campaign issue for democrats. >> those bragging about overturning roe v. wade have no clue about the power of women. but they found out when reproductive freedom was on the ballot. we won in 2022 and we'll win against in -- again in 2024. >> president biden taking his state of the union message to the campaign trail today in the all important philadelphia suburbs where the white house beings his message on reproductive freedom will be critically important especially after confronting the supreme court to their faces for overturning roe v. wade. >> with all due respect, justices, women are not without

electoral power. excuse me, electoral or political power. you're about to realize gist how much. >> the six sitting justices attending last night including three liberals who supported roe sat impassively. maybe a little surprised by the direct criticism. the president seemed at home in congress where he had spent more than three decades taking a record 33 minutes to walk out. so long the house officially adjourned for the night, lights were dimmed. many democrats say the president's energetic delivery went a long way to alleviate their concerns. jerry nadler overheard saying no one will call you cognitively impaired now. mr. biden addressing his age head on. >> my career, i've been told i was too young.

they wouldn't let me on the elevators to vote sometimes. not a joke. i've been told i'm too old. whether young or old, i've always been known -- i've always known what endures. i've known our northstar. my fellow americans -- >> four more year, four more years -- >> an issue facing our nation isn't how old we are, it is how old are our ideas. hate, angry, revenge, retribution are the oldest of ideas, but you can't lead america with ancient ideas. you need america the land of possibilities, you need a vision for the future and what can and should be done. tonight you've heard mine. above all i see a future for all americans. i see a country for all americans. and i will always be president

for all americans because i believe in america. i believe in you the american people. >> and that had a lot of praise all around. we start today with monica alba who is traveling ahead of the president outside philadelphia. and also ryan nobles, who was in the chamber last night. and also mara, glad to have you here. a lot of relieved democrats who had worried about the speech, worried about his stamina, worried about the age issue, the elephant in the room. and what they saw last night was joe biden comfortable, fiery, dominant, ad libbing mostly to good effect and taking on his critics directly, challenging them in calls and responses.

>> reporter: and in a feisty and vivacious manner. according to the people here in the philly suburbs, that was their major takeaway. they said they loved seeing that. one woman told me she leapt out of her chair when she felt the president was really demonstrating that and taking it directly to the general election opponent donald trump in all of the different ways that he did. there is always a traditional post state of the union campaign kind of travel and event to try to get the message out. but this one does take on new resonance given how late the state of the union was and given the fact that we're after super tuesday here and this race is really firmed up. that is something campaign officials are hoping will translate from last night in terms of the energy to the trail today. he is here in swathemore will he will be speaking to an audience who really turned out for him in 2020 and he is hoping turns out for him again in 2024. this kicks off a battleground

travel blitz. he will be heading to georgia tomorrow, he heads to new hampshire monday and then later in the week he will be in wisconsin. and in michigan ensuring and trying to really take some of this on the road to see if that is something that will continue to motivate voters who again this morning reiterated they felt a bit of a sigh of relief they wanted a joe biden they wanted to see and they want to see more. >> in key battleground states obviously. ryan, you were in the chamber last night. it seemed that the republicans were pretty silent for the most part. i don't think that they expected what they got, you know, the confrontation. and they seemed a little nonplussed by it, not happy about it obviously because it was more partisan. but certainly donald trump in the last couple of years, you know, has opened the door to a lot of partisanship on these nights. >> reporter: and from my vantage point, i was sitting kind of behind the president to his left and i had a full picture of the

response from both republicans and democrats throughout the speech. and you are right, it was remarkable how partisan the response was to his relatively partisan speech. but even those moments where the president tried to find common ground for instance on the issue of ivf, support for ukraine in their war against russia, you saw republicans kind of looking at each other wondering if they should clap, sometimes tepid clapping, but overall just trying not to respond very much especially in any affirmative way to what the president had to say. and talking about how democrats were energized by the speech, i key tell a bit of tension as the president walked into the room with democrats not knowing which version of joe biden they were going to get. but as he made his way through the speech and he seemed to get stronger, as he was able to tangle with republicans as they heckled him from time to time, you saw those democrats on the left side of the chamber really start to fire up. you had the sea of women dressed

in white just erupt at certain points in the speech. it was clear especially given the fact it took him so long to get out of the chamber, you're right, they were dimming the rights on us as he was leaving that president biden and democrats felt he had a very good night. >> and he came out swinging on ukraine. i thought it was really notable that he started this speech with that. the powerful issues of ukraine, democracy. women's rights. reproductive freedom. but he was almost a minute in with more than seconds in -- rather, 50 minutes in, almost an hour in before he even got to gaza, the most controversial issue with a good part of his base and he spent less than five minutes on gaza. >> and he didn't call for a ceasefire which disappointed a lot of democrats. he certainly thinks ukraine is a big issue facing the country. he started with that, january 6, and ivf.

those were -- he didn't even get to the age issue until way, way at the end. so he had a lot to accomplish last night. the to do, do list was huge. he had to show that he was vigorous. i think he did that. he had to show that he was fighting for the middle class, economic populism was all over that speech. he had to tell people what he did and tell them what he wants to do if he gets a second term. and he had to made the contrast with trump which he did, calling him my predecessor something like 17 times. used to call him former guy. now he is my he predecessor. so a lot to accomplish. >> and at the same time, ending with a reaganesque optimism and hope looking forward. >> contrasting his vision of america with the dark vision of trump. he said that is not me sflp and . >> and another contrast talking about the fdr speech and the take down wall.

i was there and that was such a moment. just a personal favorite moment of mine in all of the years i've covered the white house. but to contrast ronald reagan standing up to gorbachev and negotiating with him when it was important to do that, and this incredible encouragement with vladimir putin. >> that is the biggest contrast that he drew. so my question now, he got good response from the speech. remember he got good response last year from an equally feisty speech and now we see can he sustain that, can it make a difference in the campaign. and that is why these travels to swing states around the country are so important. >> and monica, you in fact and the team have been reporting from the white house on how carefully they have really closeted him, they have made sure that you guys don't have that many opportunities to ask questions, that he is not surrounded by people, that he doesn't do big events anymore.

partly because of the protests that he was beginning to see on the trail. are they going to let joe biden be joe biden and see what happens? see what flies? >> reporter: this was really a pattern that we did observe after the president was interrupted more than a dozen times during that really key abortion rights speech in virginia more than six weeks ago. and after that, they really took a hard look at the events and decided that because of just how high the tensions were running among people expressing their displeasure and criticism of the president's handling of the israel and hamas war, that they wanted to limit those interruptions because they really did feel like if those overshadow a larger message, what the point of holding some of the kinds of events. i'm told that they will go back to holding some of those bigger events. today is maybe a medium event. but they haven't been doing things on college campuses which

is something that they claim they will be doing in the coming weeks. so we'll see how that goes. >> that could be challenging indeed. they might have to figure out their israel policy and coordinate that better, you know, internally as well as externally before they go to the college campuses. monica, ryan, great coverage last night. and mara, so wonderful to have you here. thank you for being with us. an important reminder tomorrow jonathan capehart sits down with president biden for an exclusive interview. that is tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. coming up, the battle front, the president's message to israel was late in the speech and very direct but perhaps not as direct as some wanted. what the importance of getting more aid into gaza and the future of middle east peace, that is next. ddle east peace, that is next are you taking the right multi-vitamin? with new chapter, you get excellent quality, organic ingredients, and fermentation.

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president biden tried to respond to criticism of his support for israel represented by protesting voters in michigan and some from spl tuesday states with new proposals to get aid into gaza. he also sent this message to benjamin netanyahu last night. >> leadership of israel i say this, humanitarian assistance can't be a secondary consideration or a bargaining chip. protecting and saving innocent lives has to be a priority. as we look to the future, the only real solution to the situation is a two state solution over time. >> that of course is something that netanyahu has not agreed to, unlike most of his predecessors for decades. and u.n. aid officials have already criticized mr. biden's so-called new plan for a floats pier to deliver aid into gaza as well as what the white house called a new entry point for

aid. since israel has refused to open a much more efficient point directly. nor permitted aid to be delivered to an existing port to get much more delivered and more quickly. joining us now is richard engel in jerusalem today. and also former allied commander of nato. admiral, let's fact check the plan to build temporary port. they are talking massive aid, but that is not the amounts that could come in over land and there is the crossing that israel has not agreed to that. they have agreed to a crossing that is already one of the crossings that is not working very efficiently, the inspections are not set up efficiently at all. and there is a trickle of aid getting in that has to go all the north to the roadway along the border. the aid still not nearly enough

for the crisis there. >> yeah, the number we have to hold in our heads is 500 truckloads a day, that would cover the population pretty well. we've never hit that point. it has been 200, 300 trucks a day at max. i would say that every bit helps. so, yes, pressure israelis to open up more land crossings. use an existing port, although it is very shallow and difficult to get in and out of. and so -- and i can tell you this as an admiral, if you build that and it can be done fairly quickly, a longer range pier, you can bring in somewhat deeper draft ships, every one of those containers like you see at sea is the equivalent of hundreds and hundreds of trucks. a good sized container ship can bring thousands of those

containers. so we should pursue all of these options to try to alleviate the stress on this population, which is tragic. >> and i should point out in the context of all this, there was a large protest here in d.c. outside the white house last night. there were no arrests, no problems, but it was quite a big protest as the president was driving up. also around the capitol. richard, cia director bill burns has been in the region. he's not going to israel we're told contrary to some israeli media reports. but he was in egypt, doha as well. but the four part party talks are not continuing. so it is at the technical level and not directly engaging hamas, which has really walked away from the talks now demanding, still demanding, going back to the original demand for a permanent ceasefire up front.

>> well, talks have broken down. i'm speaking with a senior negotiator directly and the israelis are blaming hamas saying that they are raising the stakes. hamas is blaming israelis. but basically they have fundamentally different views of what is supposed to happen here. hamas is still holding hostages, 200 or so israelis believed to be alive, and is using them as bargaining chips. and israel says hand them over and then we can discuss what happens after that. an israel is still talking about a long term military presence, an occupation of sorts to go -- to continue in gaza for an indefinite period of time. and that is something that hamas rejects. and it says that it won't release hostages unless there is more of a discussion of what the final status is, unless israelis are going to leave, unless people who are in the south of gaza now taking shelter are allowed to go to the north. so the talks broke down because

fundamentally they are still opposed of what is supposed to happen, legitimacy of taking the hostages, which the world has rejected but hamas is still insisting was sort of a legitimate military target and still calling them prisoners, not hostages. >> jake sullivan did tell american hostage families in a meeting yesterday that there was still some hope. and although the talks are not taking place, burns is still in the region talking to other people and trying to get something going. i just want to also point out, admiral, president biden was caught on a hot mic last night after he gave his state of the union address during that long walkout 33 minutes and let me see if i can read it here. he said i told bibi, and don't

repeat this, but you and i will have a come to jesus meeting. and he said i'm on a hot mic here? that's good. acknowledging that he was talking to senator bennett. the come to jesus moment right now is going to be over rafah. because he and benny gantz who they think is the possible successor also believes they have to get the last four battalions out of rafah. and the u.s. says they don't still have a plan to get people moved out of that area. south to the north. safely. and relocated. >> yeah, leaving aside the question ability of having a come to jesus meeting given the religious differences between christians and jews, let's park that. but the real point here is taking it the expression that it is, he means that he will speak

very sharply and i think begin to really use some of the leverage that the united states that the united states has in terms of weapons being delivered to israel which has been thus far a blank check. so the president has some cards to play when he has that conversation with bibi. i suspect what will happen is that the conversation will slow the israeli move toward a massive overwhelming air driven campaign over rafah. i think that is unacceptable and really what hurt israel more than it would help israel. but a land campaign that uses special forces in the lead is relatively tight going into rafah. that is probably still going to happen in some way. final thought, the key here and you mentioned it already is creating safe passage out of rafah for this over a million civilians that are crowded in to it, all the more reason to get aid flowing north, that will

pull the gazans to the north, open up the field to the israelis. it won't happen in the next 48 hours. this is something that will build and there will be time for these conversations between the president and the prime minister. >> richard engel, admiral, thanks to you both. reproductive rights, president biden's big push to guarantee the right to fertility treatments and abortion rights across america. you're watching andrea hitch mitchell reports. jrs c mi ll reports jr see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome, shortness of breath, and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr-cm a rare, underdiagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you? call your cardiologist and ask about attr-cm.

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and infertility at the state of the union. it was unbelievable, it was amazing. but we have a lot of work to do. >> after roe, there were warnings that this was just the beginnings. obviously every state was going to have the right to do their own thing, alabama did. what they did legislatively this week only changes the penalties, it doesn't change the fundamental state supreme court ruling saying that an embryo is a human being. >> you're right. the status of an embryo in alabama is that it is a person. a frozen embryo is a person in alabama. what this ruling did is give some immunity protections to those providers so that they could open. they have a big issue, they have to take it back to the voters to a constitutional amendment and fix it so that they can feel really confident in the state of

alabama to get care and also deliver the care. >> i have the impression just watching this evolve in that couple of days after the decision that the politicians were really surprised, taken aback. i don't know what world they live in and who they're married to or who their children or friends and relatives are, but i know very few people who have not in this day and age, you know, had to revert to what frankly wasn't available when i was a young woman. >> when roe v. wade was overturned, everyone focused on abortion. and contraception and ivf have been sort of lesser focused on. certainly we knew this was going to happen and like you, we feel that this is a very common thing. one in six people suffer from infertility. not all will need ivf, but that is a lot. and yet a lot of policy makes are saying gee, i didn't even know this was a problem or that this would impact people.

>> ivf is not easy, it is difficult emotionally, it is expensive, it takes time. doesn't always work. and, you know, it is a draining experience for couples who go through this, and to have it taken away mid process or right on the verge of thinking they had finally possibly succeeded is just so crushing. so they had to act, but they still have not fixed it. what about the so-called abortion pill, mifepristone and the fact it is up before the high court? >> there is a lot that has to be decided. but this is a part of the bigger picture of attack on reproductive rights. the fact that we're talking about ivf and people are surprised that is reproduction in its most basic form, but we

don'thave protections. we need to get that done in congress. and you mentioned access. a lot of people don't have insurance coverage for this, so still a lot of work to be done. but i'm with resolve as you said and we're working hard to make sure that these protections are in place. i saw the hundreds of advocates, i talked to people who were right in the middle of their cycles. and they didn't know what was going to happen and -- you know, these folks have saved money, it is just a process that doesn't happen overnight. weeks on weeks preparing for this. and then to have it all of a sudden just end. so the clinics in alabama most of them have opened again. so i've heard that there was everyone embryo transfers taking place as recent as yesterday.

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republicans directly for tanking the bipartisan border deal last month. >> in november, my team began serious negotiations with a bipartisan part of senators. that bipartisan group would hire 1500 more security agents and officers, 100 more immigration judges to help tackle the back load of 2 million cases, more asylum officers and new case so is that they can resolve cases in six months instead of six years. >> that was a shot of senator langford the republican senator from oklahoma. the conservative republican who negotiated the bipartisan bill on behalf of republicans. he was nodding and mouthing that is true when the president recounted what is they think the good things the president agreed to, republican principles for border control, that were in the bill. and joining us now, texas democratic congressman collin allred. he won the state's democratic primary to face ted cruz in

november. i invited senator cruz to join us, and he hasn't agreed to yet, but we hope he will. thanks for being here. congratulations. >> thanks for having me. >> you won the primary but you are a democrat running statewide in texas. you know the record. so what do you do, how do you beat what happened with beto o'rourke and others who tried to take on the republicans in the senate? >> i think part of it is what you just covered. we have had a crisis at the border in texas and in particular when we have these numbers that we've been seeing, it does put a burden on our border communities and the officers. i've talked to them about the mental health issues. and then you have a senator like ted cruz who has a bipartisan conservative negotiated bill to try to address it and takes it down because of the politics. so i'm glad the president talked about that. because it wasn't the policy they disagreed with, it was because they wanted to run on the problem. and texans are tired of that. so i think that we'll beat ted

cruz in november because i think that we can do so much better but also texans have tired of having a senator that they are embarrassed by. >> but democrats have tried in the last couple weeks to blame the republicans, blame the speaker for not even putting it on the floor for a vote because there were overwhelming majorities for that bill. so they were trying to figure out whether discharge petition or recall the previous question, all kinds of procedural moves that they were trying to come up with to try to force the vote or give him political cover to get this thing going. but, you know, donald trump seems to be calling the shots. and so far the republicans have just owned this issue politically for quite a long time. failure on both sides to ever resolve it. but the republicans have owned the immigration issue. donald trump brought it home. how do you get it back for the

democrats? joe biden tried last night, but more has to be did unto explain to people that there was a bill. >> i think that we have to have a more adult conversation about this, i think that we have too present what actual border security looks like. my grandfather was a customs officer in brownsville, texas after serving the navy in world war ii. border security is not just build a wall, that is not -- that would not solve our issues. it is a complex issue, a short, middle and long term approach to try to address it. we have to have comprehensive reform. security is one component. we also have to reform the legal immigration system to take away some of the incentives that the coyotes and smugglers have. but to me we're beginning to have the urgency both in the white house and i think democrats nationally talking about what i've been talking about for some time, we have to call it a crisis and address it as a crisis and we'll be the ones an i'll be the one to actually secure the border and ted cruz won't. >> are you as dissushed as some

by the president using the term illegals? which is pejorative. he was echoing what marjorie taylor greene had said, but he did use the phrase. >> i don't think that we should make too big of a deal out of it. it was an off the cuff remark. i see folks trying to address the issue and just folks who want to have the political issue run on in elections. i'm on the camp of trying to actually address this. and i think for texans that is what we have to have. we have a border state and we have to do it consistent with our values. bad actors like our governor in texas do things that are inconsistent with our values. we can secure the border without treating people in an inhumane way. >> congressman, thanks so much. get some rest, it will be tough out on the campaign trail. >> we're doing well. and battle stations, general election all but under way setting the stage for eight months of nonstop campaigning.

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nominee. >> i'm going to ask you to join me as recognizing president trump as our nominee in the next president of the united states, all those in favor signify by saying aye. >> aye! >> of course they also voted to replace her with his choice including his daughter-in-law. joining us now, jen psaki and also michael steele. jen, you have broken down a fair share of the state of the union addresses. what did you think of the messaging and performances last night? >> nine or ten. i was trying to remember last night. but i think that this was probably the nos political state of the union speech we've heard in some time.

and it was purposeful on their part. i think that how aggressive it was even surprised me, but it was meeting the moment of what i think a lot of people in the democratic party, people sitting there maybe sitting on the sidelines were eeker for, were yearning for. what i thought was really interesting is the order of events in the state of the union is a strategic decision and it was kind of bookended with a big sweeping message on democracy of course tied to ukraine, tied to putin and evils of putin and the sweeping democracy riff at the end. so it tells you about the times we're we're living in. i thought the moment with the supreme court on abortion was one of the most interesting moments. as you both know well, president biden is a traditionalist, he is an institutionalist especially when it comes to our judicial system. and you could feel the anger

from him over dobbs and some of the recent actions of the supreme court. i thought that was a particularly powerful moment. >> and of course the three of the six justices there were against the dobbs decision but it didn't matter, you know, he was speaking to the people that he wanted to address. and they were very impassive as of course they would be. michael, what did you think of senator katie britt's response last night? it is always hard especially after such an energetic speech where he used the chamber and played off of people as effectively as joe biden did. so it is always hard to do an effective speech. and especially one that has to be pre-written before you see how well he was going to deliver it. so to not match that way. but what about the presentation and setting? >> it is a good example of being overcoached. i've seen senator britt in other

circumstances and situations, she is far better than what we saw last night. it is a shame that she was put in that position by the team around her. just again going to trying to appeal to white suburban women, which is the whole kitchen tableau, which wound up offending a lot of women because it sort of created a backdrop or a sub text that really fell flat. i thought she, you know, was really put in an awkward position. i've argued for probably the last 15, 20 years this whole response to the state of the union is a farce, it is a joke, it is not good for both democrats and republicans. everybody gets, you know, slammed by this. just send up a statement and move on. because everyone fixates on the performance and not the words. and the response is muted simply

because it is the president you are responding to who is standing in the well of the congress. you are not going to beat that. there is no circumstance even if the president makes a mistake, you are not going to trump that moment. so i thought she was put in a very difficult position to begin with, made more difficult by the way she was coached to deliver that message which clearly is not consistent with other examples of her speaking in other scenarios. >> and jen, very briefly, the other sort of discomfort last night was really the speaker, you know, his heart may be with the ukraine funding but he does have to take the hit for the fact that it was not even on the floor and the border bill as well. so you could see at certain times where he almost wanted to like early childhood education, who is against that, but he was

almost smiling and trying to control his smiles. >> it was bizarre to watch. i mean, you have covered many, many of these. michael and i have watched many of them. there arement nos where there are traditionally and historically -- we're not in a normal time and we know that, but there is bipartisan agreement to applaud, to stand up, and there were many moments including the president very strong riff against putin, against authoritarianism, that if you go back five, ten years ago would have been a mom that had booming cheers from republicans in that chamber. and you saw the speaker of the house kind of sitting on his hands. he also didn't stand up for cancer, fighting cancer. i mean mean, who's against that? and many moments where it would have been traditional. i'm not sure he knew what to do is my assessment. he seemed to have a strange smirk on his face. he was clapping under the table. if you were watching at home and

didn't know who he was, you might be wondering why he didn't stand up when the president was talking about doing more to address fentanyl that seem like no brainers that there should be agreement on. >> to be continued. you'll have a lot to talk about tomorrow, rather sunday. just can't wait until sunday. sunday at noon and monday at 8:00 p.m., jen psaki, michael steele, we'll be watching you tomorrow morning, of course on the weekend, and michael will be along with symone sanders townsend and alicia menendez, all of it right here on msnbc. a reality check, a top nuclear physicist and former cabinet secretary on the real life takeaways from the academy award winner oppenheimer. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. l reports" only on msnbc indigesti, and stomach pain.

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nominations. the film from director christopher nolan, portrayal of the father of the atomic bomb, jay robert oppenheimer. >> the world will remember this day. >> our work here will ensure peace mankind has never seen. >> until somebody builds a bigger bomb. >> and we should note that oppenheimer is distributed by universal pictures, which is owned by comcast our parent company. ahead of sunday's ceremony, the nuclear threat initiative launched a campaign this week called make nukes history to draw attention to the real and ongoing threat of nuclear weapons. joining me now, i'm so happy to have the cochair and ceo of the nuclear threat initiative, former u.s. secretary of energy, ernest muniz.

i was very struck, you and former california governor jerry brown co-authored an op-ed, a column in "the l.a. time," we will all wake up on march 11th just one terrible miscalculation accident or deliberate act of madness away from civilization-end nuclear destruction. not since the height of the cold war has the threat been so ominous. obviously vladimir putin has only renewed that fear, the nuclear fear that many in europe were fearing and certainly we saw for decades the disaster in belarus and the westerly winds that destroyed so much, but the power of these weapons, why is it so ominous now? what do we need to learn from "oppenheimer" besides the entertainment of a great movie? >> it's a great movie,

absolutely, and the 13 academy awards nominations you mentioned have a certain symmetry with the fact that we still have 13,000 nuclear weapons in the world, which of course is at the root of the very, very deep concern. i think the movie was very effective in bringing out oppenheimer's warnings, especially towards the end of the movie, that we could easily be getting into arms races. we could be seeing the power of these weapons dramatically increase, and in fact, today we have weapons part of those 13,000 stockpile are weapons with 80 times the power of those that were developed in world war ii, and of course, use alluded, we have seen not only the 13,000 weapons, we're seeing some directions that are, frankly, opposite to what we would like. we have china certainly developing, growing its arsenal.

we have north korea adding to its weaponry. we have iran perhaps inching closer at least to that possibility. so i think we are just being quite accurate in saying that we have never since the height of the cold war have we been feeling so uncertain about the nuclear weapons, so vulnerable to accidents and miscalculations, and the movie should remind everyone that we are still living in dangerous times and that it's up to us to garner, to get the political will to start making the nuclear weapons history the same way the oppenheimer film addresses the history of world war ii. >> and in fact, it's a cautionary tale. jay oppenheimer himself, he never thought that anyone would actually -- that people would make -- take the decision when he first started it, and then he

warned president truman, truman rejected his warning in the oval office and said he didn't want to even see him again because he had those concerns, moral concerns. i think one of the most striking things in the movie, and it's one that i found to be terribly emotional is when the first test worked and they were all cheering there in los alamos, it actually brought me to tears to watch them cheering the success of that first bomb. >> there's no question, andrea, the incredible tension there was between what was very clearly an amazing technical accomplishment in designing and building those weapons in such a short period, really over a period of say three years, and i might add,

the film focusing on oppenheimer and the manhattan project quite properly, we should also remember that there were other amazing, technically amazing feats done in other places like oak ridge, like in washington state in terms of making the materials for the nuclear weapons. but of course, oppenheimer and others understood time that they were faced with enormous technical challenge, but enormous moral challenges as well because this was going into a whole new world of destructiveness, and everyone suffered really. >> we're going to have to leave it there. let's talk again after the oscars. thank you so much, ernest moniz. that does it for today. "chris jansing reports" starts right now.