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hernandez with simone thompson. fresh off his interview with joe biden, our colleague jonathan capehart is here with more on the discussion from gaza. and donald trump may have done it again for everyone to see. the former white house chief of staff is at the table of the biden campaign's upcoming swing state blitz. grab your coffee and settle in. welcome to the weekend. president biden is in full campaign mode taking his message to battleground states. he will make stops in wisconsin, new hampshire, and michigan. he called out donald trump's embrace of authoritarian leaders. the president also sat down with

our own jonathan capehart for an exclusive interview. we will hear what he said about trump's romance with far right prime minister of hungary,f victor orban. >> was that a mistake? >> he doesn't believe in democracy. the guys i host in nato have great respect for one another. look, when you have a president who in the midst of a carnage going on as a consequence of russian attack on ukraine and talks about if these guys haven't paid your dues, due what you want in nato. he talked about getting out of nato . it is critical to our national defense. woe made a commitment after world war ii to never let it happen again. look what he's doing. it's dangerts s. >> jonathan is joining us now. good morning. >> good morning.

i will let you know right now, i'm operating on about three hours of sleep so i'm not responsible. >> you know, it's a miracle we are all here to be honest. that is a true statement. >> the hour has whooped everyone this morning but good to have you at the table this morning. a good opportunity to grab the president on the heels of what was an incredible state of the union for himself. and to go out there and face down republicans, face down a lot of the criticisms about his age and other things. and one of the aspects that i thought was interesting right off the top, and i want to play the sound when you asked about the conversation with marjory taylor greene. for me, it was that part of biden that no one reallybi appreciates is that he is not afraid. he is not afraid. let's listen to what you guys

talked about with marjory. >> i noticed the look of surprise on your face when you walked in the room and saw congresswoman marjory taylor greene, it was priceless. you feigned shock at seeing her. and during her heckling of her, you used the word illegal when talking about the man who killed laken riley. >> undocumented person. i shouldn't have used the term illegal. undocumented. when i spoke about the difference between trump and me, one of the difference at the border is the way he talks about vermin, people polluting the blood. what i won't do is treat any, any of these people with disrespect. they built the country. the reason our economy is growing. we have to control the border in a more ordererly flow but i don't share his view at all. >> so you regret using that word? >> yes. >> and that to me says a lot.

you have those two images, the one of marjory taylor greene in your face and then owning the other moment where he misspoke. what was your take overall of this president's attitude and view of how he is looking at this upcoming election. >> so in that interaction with marjory taylor greene at the state of the union, he loved it i think when she heckled him. he loves the interchange. he loves the jousting. the maner was in the senate for6 years. that was home to him. as my friend joe texted mow during the state of the union, he was like, so he at home now. so also what you see in that answer, you see how he lit up when i mentioned marjory taylor greene, he wants to engage.

he wants to do battle. he feels liberated now. he felt liberated in the state of the union but he feels more ribilated now being on the campaign trail which he loves. he is able to say what he believes. say what he thinks. not worry about the hatch act and other things. he feels deeply in his bones, you can see it in that answer and throughout the intervow that he is fighting not just for his job for another four years, he is fighting for the country. it's something that he deeply believes in. and is -- i think it is the worry that if he doesn't win, not for him but for the country. >> you know, you covered so much in this intervow with the president. we going to play a lot of clips in case folks missed it last night. we will play a lot of exchanges between the president and talking about taking it directly to the supreme court justices.

take a listen. >> you were once the chair of the senate judiciary committee so i was struck by your direct comments to the supreme court who were arrayed right in front of you. am i right in thinking that you view the roberts court as a political body and the conservative majority as politicians instead of jurors? >> no, look. i think they made a wrong decision. they read the constitution wrong and they made the mestake. what they said is it is up to the states to decide. that's really what it was said. it is no longer constitutionally guaranteed principle. and they used the phrase that women can vote and change it if they want to. i think that is insulting when they think they can't. women are speaking out. they spoke out in 2022 and 2024 . this is what is going to happen. women speak up.

this is going to change. if you give me a congress that is democrat, we are going to change it back to roe v. wade. >> i think you remember very vividly during the president's last campaign for president where the reproductive rights community were a little we don't know, he won't say abortion. even earlier in his presidency, there was much made about the fact that he wouldn't say abortion. what struck me about the exchange is i don't think there is any question on if joe biden will protect anyone's reproductive freedom and rights. >> right. before we were talking about the word he used illegal, a word that he apologized for because it doesn't speak to folks' dignity. here, folks are given the word he wouldn't use and not recognizing the fact that he may not say the word but what about his actions, what is he doing in terms of protecting the thing

that you are looking to protect. it was also telling during the state of the union that he turned around and gave a huge shoutout to vice president harris and said she has been the one out and leading on this. make no mace take, joe biden looked the supreme court dead in their eyes and said you were wrong and then when asked the question, he said you were wrong again. wrong again. and you know, he pushed back on the premise of my question but even in listening to that again, in talking about the supreme court, he didn't say anything about they are jurists and they are a separate branch of government. he was talking about them as if they were politicians. that they spoke wrong. their redric was wrong. the decision that they made was wrong. not that the judicial ruling from on high was wrong.

>> youn and i are similar in se key ways so i expect we prepare the same way with interviews with a laundry list of what you would love to discuss with the president and then you make subtopics. and then you have 5 minutes and you are like, i don't know how i will fit the topics into the five minutes. but the act of the preparation gives you the scope of a portfolio of anyone, whether they are a member of the cabinet or president of the united states that they are contending with on any given day. that part of the experience, your preparing for this, your sitting down with the president and reflkting on the interview, i wonder what it tells you about what the president and his team are up against in this moment? >> well, first of all, i want to know how you hacked my ipad because that's what i did. first i made topics, then i put in questions. i'm not kidding. i had subheadings for everything

and then coping on top of the news and then i was told we had 10 minutes. you got to fit in, and 10 minutes with a loquacious president. >> and always a member of the team that jumps in at minute 8 and gives you this sign. >> and what i had to do was figure out what was the most important thing i need to ask him about first and then figure out, listen to him, where is he going and jump around in my questions to see, to keep the conversation going. i will let you in on a little something. before the interview started, the president said to me, listen, if i get going on a little too long in an answer, just cut me off. and i looked at him and said for real? and he said i'm serious, i'm serious. so here's a statistic for you. they gave us 10 minute. we eked out 13. i asked him 14 questions in 13 q

minutes. he was able -- he was very disciplined. he gave crisp, short answers. that's where the overpreparation comes in because i asked most of the questions i had prepared. i even had some silly ones in there in case lightning struck, like what is your view on daylight-saving time. >> that is an answer i would be desperate to have. jonathan, you are sticking with us and we will talk about the president's other comments in the interview including comments on gaza. we will also talk about collin allred and his campaign in texas to take down ted cruz. texas to take down ted cruz. [car door shuts] [paparazzi taking pictures] introducing, ned's plaque psoriasis. ned, ned, who are you wearing? he thinks his flaky red patches are all people see

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what is your red loin with prime minister netanyahu? do you have a red line? for instance, would invasion of rafah which you have urged him not to do, would that be a red line? >> it is a red line but i'm never going to leave israel. the defense of israel is critical. there is no red line that i was cut off all weapons or where they don't have the dome to protect them. there are red lines when we can't have 30,000 more palestinians dead as a consequence of going after --

there are other ways to get to, to deal with the trauma caused by hamas. >> in an exclusive interview with msnbc, president biden reaffirmed israel's right to self defense but in the clip you saw, he signaled some steps that benjamin netanyahu could take that would cross a red line. back with us is our host jonathan capehart who conducted the intervow. jonathan, i was very struck by the president's answer on the red line. folks are looking at these images coming out of the gaza strip. they are looking at some of the right wing rhetoric coming from prime minister netanyahu and some folks within his government but joe biden leaned in and said to be clear, there is nothing that israel is going to do that is going to make me stop sending them the aid that they need.

>> a couple of things. on the red line, there is a distinction between being made between the defense of israel and defense of netanyahu as the leader of the nation. i think he said i have known him for 50 years. he got caught on the hot mic saying we will have a come to jesus meeting. when i asked him about that, he said it is what are you going to say to him in this difficult tough love conversation you are going to have. and the impression i got was it was not just that you can't have 30,000 more dead palestinians, mr. prime minister. it seems there were other red lines that he was not willing to get into with me during that interview. there's a much lower thresh landlord for these red lines. the other thing that jumped out at mow during the conversation

was when i asked him, what did i think about the suggestion that people have made that he should go back to israel and speak to the cunest and it was one of those moments where it was clear that he was trying not to tell me something. he didn't dismiss it out of hand. and that's why i went back to him and said wait, so this is a discussion? who would that invitation have to come from? the prime minister or the president? and he would not get into it. so woe should keep our eye on it. clearly, there is friction between the leaders but he wanted to make it clear there is little daylight between the united states and israel. let's be clear. no one is talking about israel's defensive weapons. that's not the issue. the issue is the weapons that

israel is using in its prosecution of the war against hamas. and that's where i'm wondering are the red lines in there somewhere which would bring the threshold way lower than the one we talked about publicly. >> i'm so glad you talked about it because that's exactly how i read the moment, that there is something potentially on the horizon that he is not able to tell you. great follow up. he was not willing to give it to you. but he was willing to talk a little more about aid to gaza. let's take a listen to that exchange. >> let's talk about the temporary pier that you announceded during your state of the union address to get supplies into gaza. it is going totake 60 days to get that constructed. what more are you doing in the absence of cooperation from netanyahu and a bill from congress to get supplies into gaza, more humanitarian aid into

gaza? >> everything we can. we are opening access in the north. we are also doing airdrops. we know several people were killed in airdrops and we are working to avoid that in the future. we are working tosee how much we can get in. it's a desperate situation. food, medicine, everything is badly needed and it is needed now. >> so i just want to unpack that moment, jonathan as i saw. embedded in your question are two of the obstacles that the president is up against, an absence of cooperation from netanyahu and a bill from congress to get supplies in congress. we could have filibustered on those points but he preempteded them. there is cooperation with arab allies. your sense of his optimism when it comes to getting something done here? >> i think when it comes to this, the president is always

optimistic. i asked him the question about the ongoing search for a cease fire deal. even though hamas left cairo, left the negotiating table. and tomorrow is the start of the holy month of ramadan and he was hoping to get a deal, everyone was hoping to get a deal in place by tomorrow, he held out hope that even with no one at the table, folks are still talking. he made a point of saying my cia director is in the region now trying to hammer out a deal. i asked him if he wanted a permanent cease nire, he said yes, but he said how about a six weeks cease fire and then we can get the hostages are released. they are hoping a six weeks will lead to 10, to 15, become a permanent thing to bring resolution to this.

the president is always optimistic. he feels he has to be optimistic about this because there are so many lives at stake. and there is a region that is on hooks, could erupt region wide if there isn't a resolution. i think he is optimistic because all of the stake holders, theoretically are still at the table, and still talking. the president thinks as long as people are talking, there is hope. >> jonathan capehart, such a great interview. thank you for getting up early with us. you can catch jonathan on the saturday and sunday show at 6:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. you can see more of jonathan's interview with the president tonight. michael steele will join the sunday show tonight. next, the battle for georgia is on the line. trump and biden hold dueling

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with us today. let's start where i ended. you just clinched the democratic nomination for senate in texas. i have talked to a number of operatives in texas that say if there is anyone that can beat ted cruz, it's collin allred. another rolling cr happening. what is going on with united states congress, republicans in congress, and what is your pitch to voters as you are going around the state talking to them about just literally the inability to fund the things, the very basic things that the government is supposed to be doing? >> let's go back to the cr really quickly. ted cruz voted against it. he was one of a handful of senators who said yeah, i do want to shut down the government in the midst of a war in ukraine and conflict in gaza, with all of the responsibilities we have, this is what he thinks is a good time. but he also took down the border deal recently, not on the policy

but the politics. there are a lot of texans who are sick and tired of this. that's what i hear all the time. folks are tired of being embarrassed by the senator. and i tell them, you don't have to be stuck with him. you can get a new one. that's what this election is about. i was raised by a single mom, raised in the public school system, made it to the nfl, i beat a republican incumbent in congress that no one thought i could beat. >> you and senator cruz have a slightly different read on the electorate. you said i'm supported by democrats who say fights for jobs, supports law enforcement, supports border security. i'm curious if you have met any democrats in the state who say they are supporting ted cruz for the litny of reasons. and if you are talking to republicans in your state who

have expressed frustration with senator cruz? >> absolutely. it is amazing to me that at this stage of his career, ted cruz is trying to pretend like any crossover appeal or any cares about crossing over to get independents or democrats on board with him. this is something that he never cared about before. it is obviously an indication that he is in a tough race and trying to show that he has support that he doesn't have. i do have supports among republicans in texas. i got elected in dallas by folks who voted for george bush and mitt romney, maybe still feel like republicans but feel this version of the republican party doesn't represent their value. so our coalition is one that is broad. we believe in accepting election results, standing up to dictators. if you believe that united states is the last best hope for the world, you are part of my coalition. ted cruz has a shrinking one, one that i think is clear he is

trying to show something that is not really existing. >> but it's still texas. and republicans are strong in texas as you know. in fact, you have the tribune noting that the fallout from ken paxton and the insurgency if you will of the harder right republican base that is asserting itself in the state in reaction to paxton and the fact that the speaker for example declined to stop the impeachment. so there are punishments going on inside the party. there are punishments outside of the party. how do you navigate in a state like texas? we have watched other democrats statewide try to climb that mountain. >> yeah. >> and the mountain has said not now. what makes your race different

this time? ted cruz is ted cruz. he is a good punching bag for folks to go after. but at the end of the day, there is a resonance with voters that keeps him not just on the ballot but in the office. >> i think what we are seeing is an internal civil war in texas among the republican party. and it is going in the direction of the folks that i don't think represent the majority of texans. we are getting away from rick perry and george bush and towards the far right. we had very conservative state legislatures that are far to right in the primary. they are going too far. cruz has been one of the leaders of that. i'm a different candidate. i'm a different problem for senator cruz. i have been the most bipartisan member of the entire texas delegation. i have workeded hard at reaching

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when i hear dhs funding i hear border security bill, right back to where we have been for the last month and a half. what is going to need to happen in order to get an agreement to fund the department of homeland security? are you optimistic that a border security bill will come together? >> i certainly hope so. listen, when we see these surges of migrants around the country, i think folks are starting to experience that but we have been experiencing it in texas directly. when i talk to the cbp officers, they are are experiencing a mental health crisis among the agents because of the strain they are put under because of the extra hours they have to support, because of what they are seeing. we have to respond to that by supporting them. we need more immigration judges, more administrative staff. we have to fix the asylum system. that was all in the senate legislation that ted cruise and others took down. there is probably no state hurt more by that than texas. we have so many folks that are

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democratic congressman collin allred of texas is back with us. >> congressman, it is constantly striking to the three of us that we have leaders on from all different states and we talk with them about immigration in a way that used to be reserved for leaders like you who live in a border state. i want you to listen to something president biden said. he is on the trail in georgia about the contrast between his agenda and donald trump's agenda on immigration. take a listen. >> instead of celebrating the contributions of immigrants to our country, donald trump calls

them vermin, poisoning the blood of america. no one should doubt where my heart is. unlike donald trump, on my first day in office as president, i introduced a comprehensive mrn to fix the immigration system, secure the border, provide a pathway for dreamers and their families. >> congressman, as you well know, there is the rhetorical piece of this is why i'm happy to hear that president biden during his conversation with our colleague jonathan capehart says he regrets using the term of illegal during the state of the union. there is the rhetorical. there is the policy piece, having enough resources to have immigration flow as it should at the u.s. mexico border. there is the question of what to do on the interior of the country, like dreamers, many of whomvise lived the majority of their lives in this country. my question is how do democrats step outside of the republican frame, how talking about

immigration even in a state like texas gets bigger and more hopeful than just talking about processing along the southern border. >> yeah, that's such a good point. enforcement and the border is only one component of our broken immigration system. if you want to address the border, most folks who are experts would say you have to address the legal immigration system and make it work better, much less opaque. some of the things that the coyotes and smugglers take advantage of is the fact that folks don't know how they can legally come. they start a rumor that the border is open, give me your life's savings and folks will do that because they are desperate. and then they take adantage of the fact that the system is broken. we should be talking about this in a more comprehensive manner. but we have to have security at the border itself. we did have a record number of crossings in december. we have 10,000 people a day. that strains all of our resources. you have to respond.

one of the issues i have had with my party at times is when we don't want to call it a crisis because calling it a crisis means we are accepting republican framing on the crisis. but idisagree. it is a crisis. we don't have to meet it with barbed wire. but we have to talk about it as a crisis. and in texas, certainly, you can't go around saying it is not a crisis when you see the numbers we are seeing. >> wow, i was at the white house when we talked about don't use the c word. it was a whole thing for that very reason. but i think the congressman has a point. >> yeah, he does. but here's the stark reality, congressman. so you have the republican response to the president's state of the union, katie britt made a linkage of sex trafficking to joe biden, making comments, one of her quotes, we know that president biden didn't just create this border crisis,

he invited it with 94 executive actions in his first 100 days. when i took office i took a different approach. i travelled to the del rio sector of texas. that's where where spoke to a woman who shared her story with me. and she talks about how the woman was sex trafficked at that time. and we are now finding that there are other elements and aspects of the story that apparently did not happen during joe biden's time. in fact, it happened not in the united states but in mexico. >> show lied? >> it was in 2000, i think that would have been bush at that point. so that sets up the problem that you have. you have narratives put in place around this issue because it is such a hot issue for a lot of americans. and it can be pulled in a direction very easily. not just joe biden but how do down ballot candidates like

yourself running in states like texas and other places that may be a little blue purple, a little red purple, make the case to alicia's point that narrowly elevates the conversation from the gutter and the lies which people get trapped in very quickly and easily because you have liars telling those stories. >> i don't know if you saw saturday night live last night but they did a good job going after that. but listen, i do want to talk about that i will secure border where ted cruz won't. he has had ten years. where is his bill? where is his effort? he likes to go to the border and put on his outdoor clothing and look at migrants. we need him in d.c. to pass a law. when a law comes up, he takes it down and openly says, if we do this, and i'm worried about the

impact it will have on elections if we solve the problem. i'm happy to have the conversation on who will actually secure the border. and let me say this as a democrat, i have to talk to texans honestly about this. it doesn't have to be brutality. it doesn't have to be barbed wire. it doesn't have to be military operations. it has to be ordererly, humane, has to be done quickly, have the resources to manage it. we have to address the root causes. texans understand that. my grandfather was a customs officer in brownsville after he served in the navy. that is the tip of texas. my family is from the valley where so much of this conversation takes place. these are real communities with real families, trying to give their kids a chance to chase their version of the american dream. they need us to address this not as a political issue but to help them. these numbers are unmanageable

for our state and for the country. but let's talk about it in a way that is not demonizing folks. let's serm not reduce our humanity which is what we have allowed our governor in texas to do and folks like donald trump. >> it really strikes me that oftentimes, the beltway conversation flies directly in the face of what people are talking about at home and what really is affecting them. i'm so glad you were able to stay with us today because we talk a lot about the presidential but the senate, control of the senate is on the line. if it comes down to. >> and the house. >> well, honey, it's hot in the house, okay. it is hot in that house. >> it is hot and i just want to say to loop us back to where we started, this is going to be another funding deadline where sort of two things are happening. one is the fundamental question of where republicans in congress get it done, can they fundamentally do this, the

basics of their job and fund the government. and then there is the second question of what is on the line if they don't? in terms of america tfs national security, basic functions of the government, as you are in washington now and as you head into the week where this is going to have to get it done. what do you see as the stakes sphthey are not able to carry the ball over the finish line? >> the stakes are incredibly high to show folks we can govern. i think autocrats benefit when democracy falters, whether that is xi in china or putin or folks here at home that think we should move on from democracy. we are not funding ukraine, taiwan, israel, and providing humanitarian aid in gaza that we know we have to do. we have bill that would probably get 280 votes if we put it on the floor but the speaker won't

let us vote on it. we are dealing with an incredible dysfunction. and the stakes of this election, not just the presidential one, one of the tragedies in texas, we are experiencing what a near total ban on abortion looks like. and what that looks like, my state of the union address looked like, a mother of two and ob/gyn. she got the news that the pregnancy was not viable and show had toflee instate to get the care she needed. 20,000 women are giving births to their rapist child in texas since the law passed. in order to save texas women and make sure no other women have to go through the experiences, we have to beat ted cruz to restore the right at the federal level and codify roe v. wade. that is the only way it will happen. there is so much at stake for texans and americans. go to collin allred.com and get involved with us. this is incredibly important. >> that is something we also

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post republican response. that may tell you something. >> i'm glad you -- go ahead michael. >> no, go ahead. >> i'm not over the republican response yet. and michael you brought it up, the fact check done by jonathan cast and then it was brought up on the washington post on what katie britt did. she makes a reference to a survivor of sex trafficking. she is not specific about when it happened. as you said it happened in 2004 to 2008. that is such a misuse of a survivor's story. it is unfair to the survivor who has been brave enough to come forward to share the story. because the reason you sit on a panel with lawmakers is so that they can do something about it. so that they can understand the root cause of what it is that you have suffered, so they can

again go back to their jobs and create legislation that will stop it from happening. not so that your story can be weaponized on the national stage to the opposite effect. so to me, i'm so grateful for this fact check. i'm so grateful that we are talking about this. there is real danger in what katie britt did. and i want to take a moment and sit in the danger and talk about the fact that she weaponized someone's story, not to get something done, not to make someone's life better but to score political points. it is just about the ugliest thing you can do in american politics. >> the whole thing was ugly. it was. it was dark. the whole thing, the whole response was dark and not full of light. i think in general , the response to the state of the union, whether a republican or democrat is doing it, it is usually a little more like, okay, it is not that great, i.e., this is why you need to

put us back in charge. but this was another level. although she didn't spend a lot of time on this point, i do believe that the story she made up about her going to meet the woman in rio, it really spoke to what she -- their overall piece for the republican party apparatus right now which is disappointing. >> it is disappointing and we have so much more to talk about with the general election. so refill that cup of coffee or tea. we have lisa ruben, former january 6th investigator, marcus childress, and ron clain is ahead on the weekend. clain i ahead on the weekend okay y'all we got ten orders coming in... big orders! starting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant... that's a different story. i couldn't slow down. we were starting a business from the ground up. people were showing up left and right. and so did our business needs

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