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man, different country. the american people staring out a contest like none other. what does it all mean for voters. plus, the president of the union reveals growing cracks within his party. a congresswoman on if biden can bridge the divide. and also how he plastic each year in new york city. let's do this. this. we want to begin tonight with a misconception about the november election in case you hear it over and over again before we get there. as of this week we now know the 2024 general election will be a contest between president joe biden and former president donald trump, a redo of the 2020 election, except it is not quite accurate. while the candidates may be the same this country has

fundamentally changed in the last several years. for a brief moment the violence of january 6th united us, but it was just a brief moment. partisanship prevailed and authoritarianism revealed itself. it has pushed approximately half of america into a complete alternate reality. consider the fact that two thirds of republican voters to this day believe the big lie, that joe biden is an illegitimate commander-in- chief. consider the fact that nearly a quarter of americans now buy into at least some of the conspiracies of chewing on. consider the fact that 23% of all americans and a full third of republicans believe things have gotten so off-track people may need to result to violence to save the country. part of me is horrified that so many people have opted to buy into a different planet in a different universe. i also get it. i can understand the impulse to

gravitate toward conspiracies seem possible when things seem so dire. america has done effectively nothing to tackle gun violence and mass shootings. we have experienced these traumas for decades. the best lawmakers have given us our thoughts and prayers. the current culture war has routed a thought within the american lexicon, a euphemism for rising threats to black, latino, and lgbtq people across the nation. on june 24, 2022 we welcome to the news that the supreme court had overturned one of the fundamental constitutional rights of american women, abortion. every single day republicans are working on new schemes to attack our bodily autonomy. of course, millions of people will never be able to see the images coming out of gaza. it is striking a moral court that will forever impact the generation of voters. no wonder more than four times as many waters -- voters said

they were angry, scared, disappointed, or apprehensive about the election as the ones that are happy, excited or hopeful. no, 2024 will not be a 2020 rematch. the men are not the same, the american people are not. with everything we have witnessed, everything that has been taken away from us, we feel like the politics of our time may not be matching the moment that we are in. that is what it feels like. here is the thing, we have to resist the notion that democracy is futile. that is exactly what donald trump and his authoritarian allies want us to think. if we stop biting, they win. joining me now are the former senior aide to the biden-harris campaign and writer at large for the bulwark and author of why we did it. a travelogue for the republican road to hell. tim, you have been to turning

points, you've been inside of rooms that many of us are not able to go into or at least i can't. when you are in those rooms, at least as of recently, have you noticed any change in the folks attending those spaces? have you seen the radicalization happening inside? >> look, i would use the word radicalization in an ideological sense. i understand your concerns. i've never felt unsafe. i think there may be the potential to result of violence do not overlap with people who want to go to college republican gathering or maybe meet someone they want to shack up with. i think there might not be a poll overlap. in the issues, the radicalization, especially frankly the younger people who have been attracted to trump is very noticeable. whenever i talk to anyone my first question is always why are you here?

what issues motivate you? when i was a young republican there were tax cuts, abortion, strong military, whatever you think about those issues were standard in bear. what you are hearing is almost exclusively anti-immigrant, anti- woke,america first. anti-trans. one young man told me he was interested in education reform and i had a sense of relief like normal policy issues. what do you mean? is that the teachers that are grooming kids to be gay. i just think when you hear from these folks, donald trump and his issues, not traditional or not conservatives have affected an entire generation that is now pushing for farmer radical agenda items. i think they are going to want donald trump to implement more aggressive and more

authoritarian policy items. >> thinking about the democratic base, the core coalition you've seen up close for many years at this point, have you noticed a change? i am thinking about the dobbs decision, i'm thinking about gaza, in what ways do you think things have shifted? >> every cycle there is a different base. what is the coalition that is going to get your candidate elected? what is that going to look like? of course our coalition in 2012 when obama won re-election with the coalition the hillary clinton built. i think the consistent thing that we have seen over the course of the last few election cycles and not just presidential, but the midterms as well, is how suburban voters are voting. there was a time republicans had a very strong grip on suburban voters, suburban

voters are now squarely with the democrats. why? because of the issues you just laid out. the fact that republicans have taken away women's productive rights. the fact that republicans in large part have become a party of anti-lgbtq, anti-trans, anti- ibf, you name it. when you are starting off talking about, you know, the evolution of the republican party and where things are, you could now mean or make you think that when i started off in college the really used to be a true debate between democrats and republicans in terms of where we wanted the direction of our country to go was a debate between conservative policies and liberal policies. when it was back in the rahm- obama days.

it has changed so much. it is hard to fathom a party that used to be a party based on conservative principles, conservative taxes, et cetera, is the party that is invoking culture wars. two thirds of republican support january 6th . it is crazy to think how we got there. we know how we have gotten there, how the republicans have gotten there. it has really changed a lot. until the republican party can figure out how to bring more moderate voters into the mix this is the direction the party is going to go in the future. >> things have changed so much. i think there is this fantasy within this party that once trump leaves, if he ever leaves, that the party will be able to go back to where it was 30 years ago. do you think that is true? >> no. it sounds like we agree about that. it's is a complete fantasy. -- it is a complete fantasy. like if it's contaminated, you can clean it out. the effects of the contamination still exists for

decades, generations, maybe forever. donald trump is a contaminant. when i go to turning point for example, if you are 22 and trying to get your first job in politics right now. when donald trump came down the escalator you were in middle school. you don't ever remember the thing that adrian was talking about, that is in the history books for you. you have chosen to come into the party based on this new set of issues, the nationalism, the culture wars, anti-immigrant, anti-trans, anti- woke. that is whyyou join. if donald trump is going to lose, got willing he is going to lose in a few months, those folks are not going to snap back. they're going to come up with a reason. they might think it was stolen again. there will be other conspiracies and rationalizations. now the entire conservative media ecosystem supports that

radicalization. i do not see anything changing. god forbid if donald trump wins in november, we are going to be dealing with this for generations. >> adrian, when thinking about tim and understand he is a former republican, what do you think the biden campaign has to do to win over people like him? >> well, i think what president biden did this past week, laying out what he has done so far, what he is going to do in the future, making it clear he feels the pain of americans who do not feel the strong economy that is going on. he has done an effective job of doing that. he is not always given the platform to break the news and deliver the message. the more that he can do that the better off we are going to be. the bottom line is the numbers are on our side, the numbers are on bite inside. he just has to make sure the voters who voted for him in 2020 turnout again. that we have a high turnout

election. that there is not any reason for the vote -- the voters who supported donald trump in 2020 don't, or god forbid supports donald trump. that he's able to keep the coalition together and ideally grow the coalition. the way biden delivered his message on thursday, he's had one of the best weeks that he said frankly during his presidency. the more that he can get his message out there and keep the coalition together and bring in more voters, the better off he is going to be. >> thank you so much for starting us off tonight. still to come, president biden's problem with aggressive. pramila jayapal on how he fixes it. a jayapal on how he fixes it. if you're like me, one of the millions suffering from pain caused by migraine, nurtec odt may help. it's the only medication that can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks. treat and prevent, all in one. don't take if allergic to nurtec. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using.

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agenda and a economy that works for all and not just a few. >> met with senator bernie sanders earlier, urging progressive voters to support president biden this november. right now the set of the union address, several progressive lawmakers notably gave him the cold shoulder. this comes as biden is facing growing backlash both within his party and with voters over his response to the humanitarian crisis in gaza. as he continues to gravitate toward the center he risks alienate those who helped him win in 2020. this is the same body that campaigned on changing donald trump terrific border policies and keeping the u.s. out of endless wars. how can he win progressive voters? who better to last until the house progressive caucus pramila jayapal. thank you so much for joining me. i really appreciate it.

>> thank you, paula. >> i'm going to start with the million-dollar question, what does biden need to do to win back progressive voters? >> more of what he did on the economic agenda at state of the union. this was a very strong speech, a very progressive speech when it came to the economic agenda. he was talking about taxing the billionaires, making the wealthiest corporations pay their fair share. lifting up unions for better wages. he also put the blame for inflation on these big, greedy corporations who keep raising the prices of goods that we each, including he pointed out chips and snickers, but the same thing with eggs and other things that people need. i think he needed to put the blame where it belongs. i think the progressive agenda that he was talking about like canceling student debt and reminding people of some of the

things that we have done a really important. there are two areas that we are going to need to resolve. he is going to need to really do outreach and policy shifts with progressives. that is of course the war on gaza and on immigration policy, which you mentioned. i think on immigration, while the president was very good and sent us a comprehensive humane immigration bill within the first quarter of coming into the presidency, he has allowed republicans to take the narrative. we all know how hypocritical republicans are. they do not want to fix this. they show that with the most recent border bill that the senate tried to put on the floor and did not pass. on gaza, he has to make a policy shift. >> let's talk about that border security bill that you mentioned. of course that bill itself has no revisions for dreamers, for

the over 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country. both elements president biden really campaigned on. what would you tell progressive voters or the immigrant community that is alarmed with this bill and are now distancing themselves from president biden? >> the first thing is, i think the president needs to be talking about a very inclusive message. he did that. he talked about inclusive immigration reform. he talks about the importance of immigrants to our economy. immigrants across the country need to feel that. progressive voters need to feel that. secondly, he should point out the reason we have chaos at the border is because republicans have continued to refuse to fix the legal immigration system, to actually make it possible for people to have legal pathways to come in. whether it is for family,

employee, or refugee seeking there are no legal pathways. everything is so backed up as we have not had changes in 30 years. i think he needs to say we will get rid of the filibuster, carveout the filibuster so that we can pass comprehensive and humane immigration reform. palma, as you know, this republican party is not the republican party of decades past. they just don't want to fix this. they want to keep immigrants as a political football. we have to make sure that is not the case when we take back the house, the senate and white house. >> you mentioned immigration and you also mentioned gaza. you heard senator bernie sanders urged the progressive base to support president biden. to sort of understand, yes, the humanitarian crisis and the more realities of the moment, but to get behind president biden how effective is his words.

will that be enough? >> the president has to make some changes on policy, on gaza. we have been saying this for some time. it is not too late. i think it is possible for us to use funding leverage as israel's biggest funder of military aid to say we are not going to give you that military aid unless we have an immediate, permanent cease-fire , unless we have a deal to release the hostages, and to stop killing people in gaza. that has to happen. what i will say to people as i go out and try to convince them to vote in this election, they are not going to vote for trump. they might just sit on the sidelines or sit on the couch if they are not excited about biden. i think i need to say to people, once those policy shifts have been made perfection is not on the ballot, but real progress is on the ballot. it is our voices that are going to shape this agenda rather it is a gaza, immigration or the

economic policy. we need to shape it. the white house needs to reach out to us and not treat people as if they should know better. they have to meet people where they are and to work to rebuild those relationships and that trust. without the policy shift, it is going to be extremely difficult. >> there certainly needs to be an effort to reach out to progressives. you also see a campaign that is monitoring the moderate- independent base as well. there is still this underlying idea that you need the moderates. that unique nikki haley voters to win this election. what leverage do progressives have at this moment? >> we have a lot of leverage. the only reason president biden got elected in 2020 was because he came out and was a champion for a very fragile coalition coming together. he had a lot of respect for progressives. we have to biden-sanders unity

task force. we had a very progressive agenda. he had a progressive agenda. and he does in terms of the agenda today. that is the same agenda that we are running on. we have accomplished so much. i would just say to everybody, i think the biggest base of swing voters is not just the independent, suburban woman. by the way, i don't know that we will get many of the haley voters. we will get some independent suburban women. they are very important. the biggest base is progressive voters, young voters, black and brown voters, immigrant voters who we desperately need to turn out. i think that is the coalition we need to rebuild. i think we can do it. the president has to be just as attentive to progressive voters as he was in 2020 and then listen, i think we have a lot of work left to do. universal childcare, housing,

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property crime fell 6.3% to its lowest level since 1961. before you say those are national statistics and crime is up in new york city and things are crazy, it is just not true. according to the nypd overall index crime dipped 2.9% citywide in january compared to the same month last year. we have seen declines in almost all major crime categories like murder, , and felony assault. hochul seems to be prioritizing feelings over the facts. >> i can show you all of the statistics showing you that you should feel safe. you are the mom on the subway, you are your parent putting your kid on the subway to go to high school, if you are anxious, i'm the governor of the state of new york and i am concerned. if you feel better walking past someone in uniform to make sure someone doesn't bring a knife

or a gun on the subway that is exactly why i did it. >> needless to say her plan immediately backfired. reaction on social media and from new yorkers made clear putting heavily armed soldiers in subway stations doesn't do much to make people actually feel safe, but it does help republicans paint large cities as these dystopian house scapes. new york a family woman emily gallagher said the move was a authoritarian response to validates gop propaganda about urban lawlessness and in an election year no less. joining me now is assemblywoman emily gallagher herself. thank you for joining me. as i was doing the intro you been nodding. i want to start with your reaction. you use pretty strong words. you said this policy is an authoritarian response. qualify that for me. >> i think we as a party of democrats really value data.

we value reality and the lived experience of new yorkers. the data as you are saying is not here. lived reality of being safe on the subway is actually something that millions of people are experiencing every day. additionally, we know that public safety does not come from putting soldiers or military on the subway. that also does not make people feel safe. >> walked me through the realities of this policy. when i leave tonight i'm going to get on the subway. say there is a national guardsmen that stopped me and wants to check my bag. do i have any right? >> you have civil rights and you do not need to let that person search her back. what we have heard is the end they will be turning away from the subway. i think that is really alarming. this is public infrastructure. that is what we are looking to

finance and to build. that is what we have been working on. we have a fantastic initiative called fix the mta where we are trying to put six minutes service on the agenda. we are trying to make the subway system move faster, help unhoused people on the subway system and help people experiencing drug overdose get help with that. get help with overdose prevention through overdose prevention sensors instead of dumping the resources into military innovation. >> i guess that is the question. the governor herself when our morning joe and acknowledge the statistics are not increasing. she acknowledged that, yet she deploys the national guard. what is behind her strategy do you think? >> i cannot speak for the governor. i do know that at times we need to think about if it believes

it leaves mentality of the media, especially right wing media, which is really taking over a lot of the media landscape. i think it is actually coming out of gop talking points. it is meant to be may be a reaction to that. the reaction that i think we want to see if the service improving here the money and infrastructure going toward the things we know we need and will make the place safer. we know from stop and frisk and other policies this is not. >> would you go as far as saying this is effectively stop and frisk? that it is similar? >> it is a very similar set up. we already have people searching back from the subway. that has been going on for decades at this point. stop and frisk has been coming back, despite the fact it is unconstitutional. it is really important that we say this is not acceptable for our subway system.

we cannot be having this in a moment where it is a reaction to nothing but vibes. we cannot do that. >> what is acceptable? we have talked before, the overall statistically increasing crime is not rising. i think a lot of new yorkers are pretty horrific images on their social media and tb. what would be a humane response to some of the violence and the problems that we have seen on the subway? >> i think one of the things about six minutes service if people feel really uncomfortable standing for long stretches of time on the platform alone. we know that when subways come more regularly it improves safety. i would like to see more investment, and i am glad we are making more investments in functionality. right now this is an disinvestment. putting soldiers on the subway

is actually going to make a majority of the population who take the subway feel uncomfortable and not safer. >> will have your constituents told you? >> my constituents are outraged. many have been calling my office are coming up to me on the street and asking me what we're going to do about it? i would really like to see, you know, a way to handle the core root of what is causing crime, which is lack of housing, i have a social housing plan that i have introduced. lack of resources for folks who are in trauma or in a struggle, like a mental health struggle. i do like that the governor has said she is going to be putting mental health response teams on the subway. i think we need more of that ms guns. in her time does make anytime you introduce a gun you introduce risk. >> will you be taking the subway back?

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right now the nation of haiti is in crisis, just three years after the assassination of his predecessor his power is hanging by a thread. he left the country for a conference last month and never return. right now he is stranded in puerto rico and unable to get back into haiti. in his absence armed gangs have taken control of more than 80% of the capital. residents are shuttered and those who dare to leave their home have found themselves greeted with the side of bodies in the streets. reporter on the ground that the capital reeks with the stench of the data. in response to the escalating situation the u.s. military evacuated nonessential personnel from the u.s.

embassy. our nbc news correspondent has the latest. >> reporter: tonight, an evacuation i'm in a country in chaos. a u.s. military evacuation airlifting out of haiti. a move approved by president biden who remains deeply concerned. the administration boosting security. u.s. southern command say no haitians were on board the flight. last week the white house emphasizing the urgency of the crisis. >> we think about food, healthcare and other forms of critical systems to help people in need.>> reporter: a state of emergency now extended to next month or the u.n. reporting 5.5 million people, almost half the entire country's population, are in need of humanitarian aid. years of political violence came to a boiling point last weekend when gangs attacked the capital and set free thousands of violent criminals from the prisons. hades prime minister still in puerto rico, forced to land

there as calls for his resignation now growing louder. the main airports shut down leading haitian stranded. >> this is probably the worst.>> reporter: mercy corps has been working to reduce the violence since 2019. >> the situation is delicate. it is important to make the right decisions moving forward. i am sure the u.s. government just like all governments do not want to make the situation worse. >> thank you. as americans escape the chaos on the ground what about those who can't? what about haitian citizens who cannot leave? in recent days 2000 people have been forced to leave their home, including many who had already been displaced. almost 1.5 million are facing emergency levels of hunger. here to discuss is a former

united nations official who is currently in haiti. for we start the conversation are you safe right now? how do you describe from where you are sitting the situation on the ground? >> thank you for inviting me. yes, i am safe, because i live up in the mountains, somewhat away from where the main situation is happening. however, that does not mean i feel safe. my friends and everybody around me is feeling the same way. we are feeling terrorized by what is going on. every day the gangs are getting more territory and they are getting bolder. the question is, are they going to come to you? will you be next? it is stressful and a horrifying sentiment. >> i am sorry to hear that. i also understand as an journalist there is an added

weight to what you are doing. i am sorry for everything that is happening. violence has always been a huge issue in haiti over the last few years. what was the tipping point? what changed over the last couple of weeks to get to this point? >> before that violence perhaps in the city of port-au-prince, but the whole area, a lot of the rural areas are quiet. people are going about their business. that does not mean they are not concerned, because they are not able to trade goods or bring goods to port-au-prince. the tipping point was really about 10 days ago on thursday when the gangs took over the capital city. around 11:00 that is when the radio people, whatsapp and social media was lighting up. gangs, about 10-15 were walking

up different streets with long machine guns and shooting everywhere. it really was extremely traumatic what was going on. it went on throughout the night. on saturday, then the jails. there were two jails, as a matter of fact were broken into. about 4000 prisoners among them , murderers and kidnappers. it is extremely volatile right now. even two nights ago they tried to attack the main police station of port-au-prince. we do not know when it will be next or who will be next. there are people who are dead. there were six policemen and 2 women and probably more people who are dying and we do not know where we do not know who.

we wake up hearing people trying to get away. it is extremely difficult. >> moni, when thinking about how we got to this point, the united states as part of that conversation. you yourself have said the united states support for prime minister henry is widely blamed. explained that for the audience. >> the situation is one, ariel henry came into power at the depth of -- death of jovenel moose who was assassinated. there was no paper trail saying ariel henry was to be the prime minister. as such, he was illegitimate. basically, what happened is the u.s. with the core group, made up of france, the u.n., the european union and canada

decided to put yourself or prepare your government. so ariel henry set up his government. in a way, ariel henry is the prime minister of the international community. he is not the prime minister of haiti, but he was in power, de facto power and he stayed in power. massacres happened. the roadways were blocked. murderers, between 23 and 22 there was 120% increase in the murder rate. 83% increase in the kidnapping rate. still, every time we met the u.s. government, ariel henry is the one who was there. he is the one we believe in. the canadian government, he is the one that we believe in. everybody in the unit -- international community kept

saying that despite the fact ariel henry had no security plan. nothing happened. the only thing he did really was to make sure the foreign minister went and asks for troops to come into haiti. there was nothing. there was no political will to change anything. it is a corrupt governments. it is a criminal government in cahoots with the gangs. at least for a long time until the gangs came against them. the u.s. government enabled the gangs. the u.s. government enabled ariel henry. the u.s. government basically gave arms. we do not make arms. we do not make munitions, but the going -- gangs were coming up the streets with arms. where are they getting them? it is a situation where the u.n. or the u.s. has enabled ariel henry.

excuse me, the u.s. has enabled this situation by staying with ariel henry through thick and thin. >> on that note, monique, given those strong words, this idea that the united states has enabled the gangs and it enabled the prime minister, what do you think the united states should be doing in this moment if anything at all in haiti? >> they got us into this mess. i believe they should certainly tell ariel henry it is time for him to go. the haitian population for years has been protesting and asking for ariel henry to go. it has been years, because ariel henry has been there 30 months. now, in january and in february there were massive demonstrations asking for ariel henry to go. i believe the u.s. government

should, first of all, encourage ariel henry to do the right thing . that is one thing. secondly, there are things on the table. the montana accord that i am a part of has been on the table for 2 and half years. we have been discussing with the u.s. government. what do we propose? really, it's is a transition of 2 1/2 years. it is a transition to level the playing field. the gangs control, but now they control practically the whole country. the gangs basically were at war with the republic, because they set up the palace, they shot at ministries. right now the u.s. should kind of stand back and tell ariel henry to go, and stand back and see what haitians are proposing and work with us.

we believe they should have the lead that they have had for the last at least two weeks since this situation has deteriorated. calicom has been talking to the different parties and we believe they can have believe and address them because security needs and humanitarian needs matter most right now and these are what should be the priority right now. we need a new government, clean and not corrupt to take over the reins of haiti and establish peace and security. >> thank you so much for spending time with us. please stay safe. we will be following your reporting. i really appreciate your time tonight. still to come, france learning what not to do when enshrining abortion rights in its constitution in direct response to overturning roe versus wade. versus wade.

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